Joe Rogan Experience #2395 - Mariana van Zeller

Mariana van Zeller is the host and executive producer of National Geographic's "Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller." Check out her new podcast "The Hidden Third" and also more content on her new YouTube channel. ⁠https://www.youtube.com/marianavanzeller⁠ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at ⁠https://pplx.ai/rogan⁠. 50% off your first box at ⁠https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan⁠! Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at ⁠https://happydad.com

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Oct 17, 20252h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: October 17, 2025
Duration: 2h 49m
Channel: The Joe Rogan Experience
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Mariana van Zeller is the host and executive producer of National Geographic's "Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller." Check out her new podcast "The Hidden Third" and also more content on her new YouTube channel. ⁠https://www.youtube.com/marianavanzeller⁠ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at ⁠https://pplx.ai/rogan⁠. 50% off your first box at ⁠https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan⁠! Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at ⁠https://happydad.com

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Mariana van Zeller, Joe Rogan Experience #2395 - Mariana van Zeller explores inside Global Black Markets, Scams, Cartels, and America’s Moral Crises Joe Rogan and investigative journalist Mariana van Zeller discuss her years of reporting on black and gray markets, drug cartels, scams, militias, and the human stories behind criminal economies. They cover her show *Trafficked*, its cancellation, and her new podcast *The Hidden Third*, named after the estimated 35% of the global economy that is illicit or unregulated. The conversation ranges from cartels in Sinaloa and counterfeit money operations in Peru to fentanyl–tranq devastation, rehab scams, gambling fraud, and large-scale online scam factories in Asia. They repeatedly return to themes of empathy, structural failure, political cynicism, and how policy, corruption, and profit incentives create and sustain both crime and social suffering.

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