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Joe Rogan Experience #2396 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God. https://www.theandrewschulz.com https://www.youtube.com/theandrewschulz

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Oct 18, 20253h 36mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:29

    AI-generated 50 Cent soul remixes and how easy the prompts are

    1. NA

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. JR

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music)

    4. AS

      You ready? Joe Rogan, I'll play something for you. Have you been getting into AI music at all?

    5. JR

      Uh, music, a little, a little, a little.

    6. AS

      (coughing) Listen to this.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. AS

      They're taking 50 Cent songs-

    9. JR

      I knew we were gonna put... That I heard.

    10. AS

      ... and turning them. You've heard Many Men, right?

    11. JR

      Yeah, it's incredible.

    12. AS

      Have you heard What Up Gangsta?

    13. JR

      No, not let me hear it.

    14. AS

      No, you haven't.

    15. JR

      The Many Men one is fantastic.

    16. AS

      The Many Men's amazing.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. AS

      Hold up, hold, hold up, before you... Hold up, he's not on.

    19. NA

      How do you...

    20. JR

      Oh, my bad, my bad.

    21. AS

      What's this? You gotta hear this, you gotta hear this.

    22. NA

      What up, blood? What? What up, cuz? What? What up, blood? What? What up, gangsta?

    23. AS

      Wait til you hear this flow.

    24. NA

      What up, blood? What? What up, cuz? What? What up, blood?

    25. JR

      Woo.

    26. AS

      Woo!

    27. NA

      What up, gangsta?

    28. JR

      Here we go.

    29. NA

      They say I stroll around like I got a crest on my chest. Nah, that's a semi and a vest sitting tight on my chest. I try not to speak much. Guys love to play court. But I hunt a duck, nickle down, treat it like sport. Front on me, I cut you.

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  2. 2:29 – 7:15

    Cigars, 50 Cent stories, and the “clean security” travel problem

    1. JR

      Yeah, let's, let's, let's burn a cigar. Let's burn one down, man.

    2. NA

      Let's go.

    3. JR

      Oh, man. 50. 50's the man.

    4. AS

      Let's be toxic rich dudes.

    5. JR

      Yes, let's do it.

    6. AS

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      When are we starting? Have we started?

    8. AS

      Yeah, we're rolling.

    9. JR

      We're rolling?

    10. AS

      We're rolling.

    11. JR

      Are these your-

    12. AS

      My man.

    13. JR

      ... your personal ones?

    14. AS

      No, these are, um, from Foundation Cigars.

    15. JR

      Mm.

    16. AS

      These are, uh, I don't know what they're called, but these are fucking legit. My man.

    17. JR

      What happened to yours?

    18. AS

      I still have those.

    19. JR

      Those are nice.

    20. AS

      Oh, those are great, yeah.

    21. JR

      Yeah, they got a nice little box right here.

    22. AS

      I just opened this box the other day. They're nice.

    23. JR

      Foundation.

    24. AS

      (clears throat)

    25. JR

      Where are these from?

    26. AS

      Uh, probably Nicaragua, I think that's where he's got his thing. Hey, oh well.

    27. JR

      I got you.

    28. AS

      There you go.

    29. JR

      What's the rules on that?

    30. AS

      Hmm. About Nicaragua?

  3. 7:15 – 16:44

    Dehumanization online: Charlie’s death, algorithms, and flattening people into cartoons

    1. AS

      Wild times when people celebrate people getting killed now. Like that never happened before.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. AS

      Like even when someone bad got killed before, you're like, "Oh, wow, that's kinda crazy."

    4. JR

      I've been thinking a lot about this.

    5. AS

      Yeah?

    6. JR

      And I think that like... I don't think we all exist in the same reality anymore. Not on some multiverse shit-

    7. AS

      Right.

    8. JR

      ... but like just like how-

    9. AS

      How we see the world.

    10. JR

      Yes.

    11. AS

      Yes.

    12. JR

      And it's like, especially with Charlie's death, because I was in Australia when it happened, so like I had time. Like, I wasn't doing pods, I wasn't doing standup, I'm just like sitting around in a trailer out at this movie. So I like started watching like a bunch of his stuff. Also, I wanna say, he did something really cool. Like, I didn't really know him, but like he would DM me a couple times. But he saw a headline about me once, and he DMed me. And like I don't even have a relationship with this guy. He goes, "This headline looks a little weird. Like, I know we don't really know each other, but like is this what you meant?"

    13. AS

      Hmm.

    14. JR

      And like, there are people who I know that I've considered colleagues that haven't even afforded that to me.

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      They just ran with a headline and like made a video, got clicks, views, or whatever like that.

    17. AS

      Right.

    18. JR

      And like this guy I don't even know hits me up and goes, "Is this what you meant?"

    19. AS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Very cool. Anyway.

    21. AS

      I met him once at a gun range.

    22. JR

      Oh, really?

    23. AS

      Yeah. I met him at Tarrant Tactical. So I was down there training, you know... Do you know what Tarrant Tactical is?

    24. JR

      This is the one where you see like a lot of like, uh, celebrities going-

    25. AS

      Yes. The one where-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AS

      ... you see celebs. He trained Keanu Reeves for John Wick.

    28. JR

      Mm.

    29. AS

      He's the man.

    30. JR

      Mm.

  4. 16:44 – 18:30

    AI video and the slippery slope: deepfakes, porn, and ‘moral police’ debates

    1. AS

      But that brings to, like, what about AI Down syndrome porn?

    2. JR

      The sounds would be crazy.

    3. AS

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      I mean, we gotta see it just for the sounds.

    5. AS

      (laughs) Right?

    6. JR

      Just, just...

    7. AS

      Did they just announce-

    8. JR

      (coughs)

    9. AS

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. AS

      ... that, uh, was, is OpenAI doing an erotica version?

    12. JR

      Peanut butter.

    13. NA

      They're not doing, uh-

    14. JR

      No, but they, they said they wouldn't censor it. They're like, "It's not our job to be the moral police."

    15. AS

      Oh, well then it's over.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. AS

      Then it's Andrew Schultz porn all day long online.

    18. JR

      Yo, so that's, so that's the crazy thing.

    19. AS

      Gay porn too, by the way, with you.

    20. JR

      Can they do... Listen.

    21. AS

      Hey, bro.

    22. JR

      You handsome devil.

    23. AS

      Hey.

    24. JR

      (clears throat)

    25. AS

      The mustache.

    26. JR

      Isn't, it, it's, isn't moral police of the world after erotica ChatGPT post blows up. Oh.

    27. AS

      Oh.

    28. JR

      So that's the thing. Can you do it, can you make porn with us?

    29. AS

      (sighs)

    30. JR

      Or can you just make it with like random-

  5. 18:30 – 23:25

    ‘Matches for the first time’: AI governance, fire analogies, and arsonist chaos

    1. AS

      Uh... Yeah, the world's dark right now-

    2. JR

      Oof.

    3. AS

      ... with this, because there's no rules and people are just... It's sort of like if you gave the world matches for the first time, and they're like, "I can just start a fire?"

    4. JR

      (laughs) Do you think they did that initially when they created fire? They're like, "We need some rules for this shit."

    5. AS

      I think they-

    6. JR

      "We just can't let everybody do it."

    7. AS

      ... for sure should. I mean, I thought about that before.

    8. JR

      That was gun control. Was that, like, the original gun control?

    9. AS

      How weird is it that I don't even have to have a license to have one of the most powerful forces in the world at the palm of my hand? And I could be six.

    10. JR

      Okay. Imagine after the Chicago fire, right? Like, 80% of the city is decimated. I don't even know what year that is, probably 1800s or something like that.

    11. AS

      Did they say, "Hmm. Maybe we gotta take matches away from these motherfuckers?"

    12. JR

      Or like, fireplaces or some shit?

    13. AS

      Right.

    14. JR

      Like, I bet they didn't let you build a house outta wood anymore.

    15. AS

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      Right? Like, we-

    17. AS

      All houses are made out of wood.

    18. JR

      Yeah, but we need concrete or something.

    19. AS

      No, that's not why they did that.

    20. JR

      Like, we need another building. Why'd they do it?

    21. AS

      Probably for structural rigidity and, um, like from the cold it's better... L- if you, if you have like... Oh, I would, I would imagine there's a bunch of reasons to make something outta brick. It's more, it's harder to get into.

    22. JR

      Well, I imagine you mean it out of-

    23. AS

      It won't light on fire. Concrete is-

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. AS

      They, I mean, they're making... By the way, they, they probably should've did this a long time ago, but they're, they're making fireproof houses now in, like, Malibu and places like that, rich people.

    26. JR

      Yeah, I-

    27. AS

      Like, you would imagine, like, if you're living in a place that, like, once the fire hits, no one's stopping shit. So, I think they just busted somebody for that.

    28. JR

      I know, I saw that, like the person who started the fire.

    29. AS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      It wasn't in Palisades. It was, like, the one that connected to it or something like that.

  6. 23:25 – 25:54

    Rebuilding after disaster: red tape, permits, and why bureaucracy enrages people

    1. JR

      Yeah. It's crazy how, like, the fires weren't even that long ago.

    2. AS

      I know. It was not long ago and they... But they haven't even touched the house. Adam Carolla just did a video about it.

    3. JR

      What'd he say?

    4. AS

      He, first of all, he called it. Carolla called it a long time ago, 'cause Carolla's been involved in construction his whole life.

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. AS

      So, he knows how hard it is to get permits-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. AS

      ... to build-

    9. JR

      This is-

    10. AS

      ... in the Palisades. Like, no one is going-

    11. JR

      All over California.

    12. AS

      ... to rebuild.

    13. JR

      This is, this is-

    14. AS

      But they haven't even touched it.

    15. JR

      Yeah, but I think they just said that they're gonna start, like, stripping back some of that legislation.

    16. AS

      Exactly. They're gonna start putting low-income housing up there.

    17. JR

      Is this what happened with the... I think it was in like... I think it was in Philadelphia, right? I think it was, uh... There was like a bridge that collapsed. You remember this? Was this in Philly or Pennsylvania? And I think the governor was like, "Okay, we have to rebuild this because obviously there's gonna be like huge traffic situations." Like, "We just, we need this thing. This is just how humans are gonna kind of get around." And, uh, so they stripped all legislation, and they were able to put it up in a matter of weeks, if I'm not mistaken. Jamie, you know what I'm talking about?

    18. AS

      Yeah.... I, I know what you're talking about. I remember that story.

    19. JR

      And they were like-

    20. AS

      I remember something...

    21. JR

      ... "How long would this take if we didn't strip all the legislation?"

    22. AS

      (clears throat)

    23. JR

      They were like, uh, "16 to 18 months." So, you did it in three weeks compared to 16 to 18 months. And I think this is where people get, like, frustrated with all the, the, the bureaucracy and the red tape. Now, I also believe in some red tape. Like, I live in New York City. There's somebody renovating above us right now. I got a kid, you know what I mean? So, it's like, I would like a little red tape to make sure they're just not hammering 24 hours a day.

    24. AS

      Right.

    25. JR

      We live on top of each other. You live in Texas, there's probably, you don't even see your neighbor, you could have a little less red tape.

    26. AS

      Right.

    27. JR

      But then we get to the point in New York where it's like, okay, is it impossible to renovate ever? Maybe that's too much. But there needs to be some in different situations.

    28. AS

      100%. I completely agree. I got in a conversation about that a long time ago with Dave Rubin, where we were talking about, uh, regulations for construction sites.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. AS

      That you don't, you don't need inspectors. And I was like, "Oh, my God."

  7. 25:54 – 27:52

    California politics and policy fights: PFAS ‘forever chemicals’ and Newsom critiques

    1. AS

      Didn't, um, Newsom just veto a bill-

    2. JR

      Your boy.

    3. AS

      ... that would stop forever chemicals? There was a bill that would stop forever chemicals being used on, I think, cook- cooking utensils. Like, there's certain, like, non-stick cookware that has-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. AS

      ... forever chemicals on it, and you're scraping it with, like, a metal spatula.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. AS

      It'll probably get in your diet.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AS

      Not good.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. AS

      I think he, they were banning it, so-

    12. JR

      Why would he do that?

    13. AS

      ... and I think he vetoed it. Yeah.

    14. JR

      Why would he do that?

    15. AS

      He vetoed. A California bill banning cookware with PFAS's, forever chemicals. It says the bill would cause, "Sudden product shift, sparking debate among chefs, lawmakers, and environmentalists." No, no, the bill stops poison, bro. The bill stops poison-

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. AS

      ... from going into human bodies.

    18. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    19. AS

      You profit monster.

    20. JR

      Yeah, did you- (laughs)

    21. AS

      You fucking profit monster.

    22. JR

      Did you, did you see, uh, there's a, there's a guy named Van, Van Leighton was asking him about AIPAC? Did you see this? He just says something-

    23. AS

      Interesting.

    24. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. AS

      It's just, just, just interesting.

    26. JR

      It's just so interesting. What's interesting about it?

    27. AS

      I mean, it's not something I, you know...

    28. JR

      I don't think about it.

    29. AS

      I don't, it's, uh, it's just-

    30. JR

      I don't think about it.

  8. 27:52 – 30:40

    Why people are leaving California: NIMBYism, housing, and Hollywood production flight

    1. JR

      No, California's an unbelievable state.

    2. AS

      Amazing.

    3. JR

      Thi- this is just what we have to call it. It's like the pl-

    4. AS

      Mountains and the oceans two hours apart.

    5. JR

      It's unbelievable.

    6. AS

      Yeah, it's nuts.

    7. JR

      And it, it, it's probably, in terms of, like, one place, if you had to live in one state for the rest of your life, one state for the rest of your life, you could never move, and that was the only place you could live, it's Cal- it's California. It's, like, not even a question. It's just-

    8. AS

      Yeah, it's perfect.

    9. JR

      If you want snow, you can have snow.

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      If you wanna be in San Diego and the beach all day, you have the San Diego and the beach.

    12. AS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You could surf, you could snowbo- you could do whatever the fuck you want. You wanna be a farmer, go farm.

    14. AS

      You've got all kinds of parts of San Francisco, all kinds of parts of Oakland, all kinds of parts of, you know, the San Fernando Valley.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. AS

      It's so, so different. It's like, there's so many different ways you can live in California, yet-

    17. JR

      But there are fucking problems, and people are leaving. Like, if people are leaving the place you're in charge of, don't be upset if people are critical of how you've been managing it.

    18. AS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Like, Hollywood, I, I've been talking to, like, people who are making films, like the producers of films. Not like the actors, right? Like, the actual people who are putting the money up to make films, right? Because they'll give you the real.

    20. AS

      Right.

    21. JR

      Like, "We're filming in Australia." I'm like, "Guys, why the fuck are we filming in Australia? Like, Australia's nice, but why the fuck are we here?" And they're like, "You can't make a movie in Hollywood."

    22. AS

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      I go, "What do you mean you can't make a movie?" He go, they go, "You can't." I go, "Where was Hollywood on the list of places we could film?" I go, "Give me the number." And he, they're like, "Not even top 10."

    24. AS

      Wow.

    25. JR

      Not even top 10.

    26. AS

      Wow.

    27. JR

      It's, it was, "Australia, you get 60% off in taxes," or something like that.

    28. AS

      60?

    29. JR

      60. We're, uh, we're talking about if you're making, like, a $10 million rom-com, that's one thing. If you're making $100 million, $200 million film, 60% off in taxes?

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  9. 30:40 – 37:16

    New York vs. LA psychology: attention, money, and ‘American Psycho’ motivations

    1. AS

      Right. Well, it's also a town of lost children, right? Like, the, one of the problems with LA is, like, if you wanted to talk about a town that doesn't have, like, an emotional base that's healthy. (laughs)

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. AS

      Like, the, the main motivation-

    4. JR

      Bro.

    5. AS

      ... of a, a good percentage of the people that came out there is to just to get attention to make up for a shitty childhood. Like, that's the main, the m-

    6. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    7. AS

      ... the, the main population.

    8. JR

      LA is, is attention to make up for a shitty childhood. New York is money to make up for a shitty childhood.

    9. AS

      Yes.

    10. JR

      That's really what it is.

    11. AS

      Yes.

    12. JR

      It's like, New York is the hedge funds and the banks 'cause it's like, "Okay-

    13. AS

      Yes.

    14. JR

      ... my dad wasn't around, my mom hated me, but I'm gonna make a billion dollars and that, I think, that'll make up-"

    15. AS

      Yeah, my mom was on pills and barely there and, you know, yeah.

    16. JR

      And I've developed enough sociopathy where I could-

    17. AS

      Yeah, dad's a sociopath. Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... I could be this fucking hedge fund guy that's gonna take over the world. That's what they believe. And then LA is the same thing, but it's just pats on the back.

    19. AS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      I want people to love me.

    21. AS

      Yeah, yeah. It's both two different versions of American Psycho.

    22. JR

      (laughs) Yeah.

    23. AS

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      I'm trying to wonder, like, which one is worse?

    25. AS

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      Like...

    27. AS

      New York is, uh, better because at least they have more information. They have more things they can talk to you about.

    28. JR

      What I say, yeah, what I always say about New York is like, uh, we still, we still appreciate greatness even if you're not, even if you're not wealthy. So like, the best skateboarder is really cool in New York.

    29. AS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      The best street artist is really cool, like-

  10. 37:16 – 48:29

    Pool culture deep dive: hustling rules, aliases, and the art of getting someone ‘on the hook’

    1. JR

      It's a cool world, the pool world.

    2. AS

      Oh, it's a, it's a great world.

    3. JR

      I remember I was here, forget when it was, but, like, there, you had a guy down here, I don't know if he just did the pod, but he was, like, an OG, and I think he, like, commentates maybe now, but-

    4. AS

      Jeremy Jones.

    5. JR

      ... Jeremy Jones.

    6. AS

      That's my boy, yeah.

    7. JR

      And, uh, he could hold court. Like, he was a-

    8. AS

      Oh, he's a funny dude.

    9. JR

      ... he was a storyteller, right?

    10. AS

      Yeah, he's a funny dude. This guy, he was on the podcast too. He's got some great fucking stories.

    11. JR

      Yeah, that was cool talking to him.

    12. AS

      And he w- That dude won the US Open. The US Open's the pool tournament.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. AS

      Where they, it's the US Open, but people come from everywhere.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. AS

      Like, people come from all around the world, Taiwan-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. AS

      ... Germany, all over the place to play in that tournament. That's the big one, and Jeremy won that shit.

    19. JR

      He won it, yeah.

    20. AS

      He won that shit. That's how good he plays.

    21. JR

      He, hearing his stories about, like, going, like, being, like, essentially, like, a traveling pool hustler.

    22. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      And, like, popping into a town where you heard there was some game and you travel with, like, a couple other people. One guy would, like, uh, sense it out. He would go play a couple games, see who's there, and then Jeremy would just come in and just clean up for-

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... two weeks straight, and then you're outta there.

    26. AS

      Yep.

    27. JR

      It is-

    28. AS

      And you play like you suck at first.

    29. JR

      At first, ri- that's right, yeah. The first week, you just let people beat up on you a little bit.

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  11. 48:29 – 56:12

    Mastery hobbies as mental health: pool mechanics, flow states, and humility through losing

    1. JR

      But are you doing that when you're, when you're playing? Like you said you were playing how many hours a week now?

    2. AS

      It depends. Sometimes I'll play, like, two hours in a day every day.

    3. JR

      Okay, so let's say you're playing bare minimum, let's say, 10 hours a week.

    4. AS

      Right.

    5. JR

      Is-

    6. AS

      That's not good enough.

    7. JR

      Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, I remember when we were talking last time, you said that like-

    8. AS

      Pros play eight hours a day.

    9. JR

      Yeah, but you said some crazy shit. You said, uh, you're like, "I don't start playing well until, like, hour six." Or something like that.

    10. AS

      Hour two.

    11. JR

      You said some shit about like-

    12. AS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... "I need to be a little drunk. I need to be, like, a little loose." Like-

    14. AS

      No, not drunk. A little high helps, but-

    15. JR

      It was one... You started like-

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Everything that goes against what should work for, like, your physical ability.

    18. AS

      Right.

    19. JR

      I don't know. It's so... You ser- you mentioned something about, like, flow or something. I think this is with Jones too.

    20. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      Like, Jones was like, "Yeah, I like getting into it." Like he'll, he was like, "I'll, I'll play for like six hours and then I'm starting to really kinda warm up. I'm locking in."

    22. AS

      Yes.

    23. JR

      "I'm dialing in."

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      And like, and that's why-... it's, like, first to a hundred. Like, that's another thing I didn't realize. I didn't realize guys are playing a hundred games over, like, two days.

    26. AS

      Three days, 120-

    27. JR

      They-

    28. AS

      ... is a big one that they do.

    29. JR

      I thought it's, like, yeah, we play a couple, it's, like, best out of five.

    30. AS

      Mm.

  12. 56:12 – 1:04:59

    Parenting, gender differences, and raising kids without forcing ambition

    1. AS

      Childhood stars. Childhood stars are all fucked up. There's no, I never met one of them that's got their... Well, you know, some of them are really interesting still, like Miley, Miley Cyrus.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. AS

      She's really interesting.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. AS

      She's very smart, and she's really good.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. AS

      Like her, her music is like she's not trying to be like pop hit girl.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AS

      She's just trying to express herself.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. AS

      It's like real legit art. But there ain't no way you get that famous that young. You're fucking Hannah Montana when you're a teenager, and the whole world is cheering for you.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. AS

      And you don't get a little crazy because of that.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. AS

      I never met one of them that's got their shit together.

    16. JR

      Is that the Britney thing?

    17. AS

      Yeah! 100%, man.

    18. JR

      But-

    19. AS

      That's Michael Jackson. He's the best example of it of all time.

    20. JR

      I wonder just what responsibility, I wonder what responsibility like the people around them have.

    21. AS

      A lot.

    22. JR

      You know? 'Cause like-

    23. AS

      A lot. They might not know it while it's happening though.

    24. JR

      Yeah, 'cause they're getting paid off it.

    25. AS

      Because it's, it, it's a little bit of that, but it's not shunned. Like it's still a thing in Hollywood.

    26. JR

      What do you mean?

    27. AS

      I mean in Hollywood when, when you have children and your children want to act, people encourage it.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. AS

      They like bring their kids to auditions. They, they call them, you know, what is, audition moms or, you know-

    30. JR

      Uh, what's the term? Stage moms.

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