The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #2426 - Cameron Hanes & Adam Greentree
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey.
- AGAdam Greentree
We're live?
- NANarrator
We're live.
- AGAdam Greentree
Hey.
- JRJoe Rogan
Gentlemen, what's happening?
- AGAdam Greentree
(laughs) What is going on?
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see ya. Good to see you guys again.
- AGAdam Greentree
Bow hunting brothers.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, we were just talking about the mountain lion that we have in the lobby, and how insane that thing is. So Adam, you shot that mountain lion when?
- AGAdam Greentree
I think it was about six or seven years ago now.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you ate it, and I ate some of it. You sent some to me. It's really good, believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen.
- AGAdam Greentree
You wouldn't think so, but it's incredible. I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody says it's like ... They, they, the way they describe it is like a sup- I think Rinella said this, a superior pork.
- AGAdam Greentree
Yeah. Yeah. It's like ... I, I think of it as a cross between venison and chicken. And then ... And I only did a quick on the barbecue, and I'm not a great cook, but it was that tender and that tasty.
- JRJoe Rogan
But the, the story behind the mountain lion's nuts. Like, that was a, like a murderous mountain lion-
- AGAdam Greentree
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that-
- AGAdam Greentree
It was ... I felt a bit funny about it to start with, because like the dogs do all the hunting, right? The dogs smell it, dogs find it, they put it up in a tree, but the further I looked into it, I'm like, well, you need the tree 'cause you wanna sex it, and you wanna age it, you know? You wanna make sure it's a lion that's, you know, old, and it has to be a male to shoot it in Colorado, at least at the time you had to, anyway. So, it was actually the perfect way to hunt, but then seeing how destructive that individual lion was, at least, um, I was telling Cam about this when we got here, that it must've grabbed the cow, like a beef cow. It must've grabbed it on the neck. Um, and the cow couldn't move, you know, but it was still fully alive internally, and vocally it was still alive, and when we got there, the mountain lion was like eating it from its rear end-
- JRJoe Rogan
(exhales)
- AGAdam Greentree
And it'd been there for at least an hour or two, because there was quite a lot of meat that had been eaten out from the cow's ass.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- AGAdam Greentree
And, um- Kicking its hooves. Yeah, and it just ... But it ... The cow couldn't get up, so it was f- it was literally eating it while it was still alive-
- JRJoe Rogan
(exhales)
- AGAdam Greentree
And as the dogs were running down there, you could hear this cow off in the distance just like screaming, like mooing flat out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- AGAdam Greentree
And you could tell something was wrong. The dogs got there. The lion ran off. Um, we end up calling the rancher in. The rancher come out, put the cow out of its misery. Still screaming on the ground right in front of me. I was ... Uh, hey, I was teared up, like, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, God.
- AGAdam Greentree
Like, I don't like suffering, like the next person. Um, so it was a very horrible moment. So then it was like, n- now I'm into it. Like, now I'm into finding this lion and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Brothers. It's, it's like a werewolf's loose in your town.
- 15:00 – 30:00
Mm-hmm. …
- JRJoe Rogan
let's reword the question and ask, how many were killed in California from agency control?
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Put that in there. How many mountain lions were killed in California through agency control? Because we were just looking at depredation tags, which is like what a hunter get... Or excuse me, a farmer gets.
- CHCameron Hanes
So, it says in Oregon that we could kill 970, but that would... They never kill that many.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. They did not publish a clean state-wide tally labeled specifically as agency control mountain lion kills. Uh, and current official tables group most lethal removals under depredation permits rather than separate agency control category. As a result, there's no single publicly available number that states how many mountain lions were killed through agency control alone.
- CHCameron Hanes
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let's just put this in. How many mountain lions were killed in California in 2024? Just period. Let's just ask that question.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't even know where we'd get this data.
- CHCameron Hanes
I don't know. It'd have to be Fish & Game. Hmm. 20?
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm, that doesn't make any sense.
- CHCameron Hanes
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, so they're saying these fig- these figures not include deaths from vehicle to... But that's not true, 'cause they just said earlier that it was a 100 and s-... Okay.
- CHCameron Hanes
480 depred- depredation incidents.
- JRJoe Rogan
And 222 depredation permits.
- CHCameron Hanes
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Out of those permits, 52 authorized lethal take and 20 mountain lions were actually reported as lethally taken on depredation permits. That's weird. This is totally different numbers...
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... than it was giving us before. So, now it's only saying it was 52 authorized lethal ones.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Huh.
- CHCameron Hanes
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
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- CHCameron Hanes
I think they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it says... Oh, oh. It say, k- okay. It says of the permits, 52 were authorized to kill them. So it says lethal take. So it's authorized to kill them. And 20 were actually reported as lethally killed.
- CHCameron Hanes
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
So they're saying it's only 20.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That seems cooky.
- CHCameron Hanes
So, but that is, that's for, uh, like a ranch owner to do the killing.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Which, uh- …
- JRJoe Rogan
I'll find it. Yeah, he's... Oh, it's me talking about it. That's far. Oh, he must have reshared that or something. Yeah, here it is. I found it right away.
- NANarrator
Which, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just his face when you see his face-
- NANarrator
... yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... staring at the camera.
- NANarrator
Okay, I got it.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's his lion... Oh, you got it? Okay.
- NANarrator
All right, awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's his lion update. Yeah, this is it. Give me some volume.
- AGAdam Greentree
... restless night of this reoccurring dream of these green eyes hot on my tail. I, uh, was coming down the trail last night, just after dark, and I see these green eyes off to the side of the trail. I mean, right on the side of the trail. What I thought was a coyote. I just kinda yelled, and then when it stood up, I realized it was a fucking mountain lion.
(laughs)
Uh, I took off running as hard as I could, and I looked over my shoulder and it was right behind me. I ran for probably 100 yards and realized it wasn't giving up. And I turned around and I kicked rocks and I jumped up and down, and I screamed at the top of my lungs, and this thing did not care.
Mm-hmm.
I did that a few times to the point that, at one point, I almost thought, "I'm just gonna lay down here and die, because I'm not gonna outrun this fucking thing." Another time, it got really close to me, and I thought I had no choice but to try to scare it. Uh, and I turned and I screamed and I kicked rocks. I mean, to the point it was, I mean, it was right, right there. And I finally decided, well, you just gotta run. Run for your fucking life. Um, I've done some crazy shit in my life. I've been pretty scared. But this? This was next level. This was next level. It terrified me. Um, you know, I- I think maybe if I'd had a gun, I could've done something. Uh, pepper spray, I- I don't think it- it- it was so close, that I would've probably pepper sprayed myself. So, I don't know. Um, I was a half mile from the city, uh, in Lake Forest, California. I mean, like, s- straight up, I could hear dogs barking and at one point, I thought maybe that's what kinda detoured it. But this thing didn't care. Um, so this morning, I'm gonna ride the bike. Um, probably won't go back out there in the dark. Um, I did wait around for the sheriff's department and fish and game, um, because there was other hikers on the trail that were above me that would have had to come down, and I- I- I just don't know how other people would've responded. Uh, like I said, I've done some scary shit. Um, I've been in the woods my whole life. But this? This was next level. It was terrifying. But I'm all good. Um, back at it, right? Uh, I guess if this only happens one time in your life, I got it out of the way. I'm a lucky fucker.
(laughs)
Have a good day, all. Keep at it.
Doesn't work like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oof.
- AGAdam Greentree
(laughs)
(laughs)
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oof.
- AGAdam Greentree
Oh, that's wild.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is the consequences of letting monsters live in your neighborhood.
- AGAdam Greentree
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's real.
- AGAdam Greentree
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And e- ev- all these wilderness-loving people, like, I guarantee you you're not out there as much as that guy is.
- AGAdam Greentree
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I guarantee you're not out there as much as you are or you are. That's the difference between people that really understand what we're talking about, and people that are looking at this from this knee-jerk love and compassion for nature r- perspective. Like-
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Oh, yeah. …
- CHCameron Hanes
So Cam Canaday, you spell it with a K. Uh, he w-... As we were talking about it, he had a deer tag, he was deer hunting. This l-... In, in Oregon, this is what you do, you just buy a bear and a lion tag just to have with you. But, uh, he, uh, killed this giant lion. He was deer hunting. This lion came up, sat on this rock 40 yards away (laughs) and he's just like, "I got a lion tag, perfect." Boom. Got, put a perfect arrow in this giant lion. But look at this thing. And he's a big dude.
- AGAdam Greentree
Oh, yeah.
- CHCameron Hanes
He put-
- AGAdam Greentree
That is a slob.
- CHCameron Hanes
He, he played for the Steelers for, like, six years, uh, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- CHCameron Hanes
... in the NFL.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at the size of its paws.
- CHCameron Hanes
And... Yeah, so that was just like a happen chance. That's how you get them in Oregon-
- AGAdam Greentree
Wow.
- CHCameron Hanes
... because you can't use dogs, you can't do anything else. So that lion just, just jumped up there and he made a perfect shot on it.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy.
- CHCameron Hanes
Deer hunting. But look at that big thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
God.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah. Pretty nuts. (laughs) And like I said, Cam's like 6'4", I don't know, 230?
- JRJoe Rogan
You ever see the one Derek Wolf killed?
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah, that was a giant one too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Giant one. So the Derek Wolf story is a great one too because he took so much heat online about it. People were so angry at him that he did that. And it's just people that don't understand-
- AGAdam Greentree
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... why it's necessary. Look at... And first of all, if you know Derek, Derek's a fucking legit viking.
- CHCameron Hanes
(laughs) That's, uh, crank.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a legit viking. That guy is a giant human being. So for him to be holding... Is there another picture where you see the full-length picture?
- CHCameron Hanes
I think that one is, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it. There's the full-length picture.
- CHCameron Hanes
180 pounds or something.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at the size of that fucking thing.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah, so you... And I don't know what the numbers are, but you'd think a lion kills... Uh, especially a lion that big has to basically kill a deer every week.
- AGAdam Greentree
Mm-hmm.
- CHCameron Hanes
Right? So that's 365 deer a year that thing has killed. Or no, not that-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 1:00:00 – 1:09:09
What you just said…
- CHCameron Hanes
reward on it.
- JRJoe Rogan
What you just said is perfect. That's why they struggle, 'cause they don't struggle.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like the thing you're avoiding (laughs) -
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is causing you to have the exact same thing. It's just a s- you're getting a slow dose of that poison.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you never get out of it. Whereas if you voluntarily struggle, then you get this beautiful feeling when it's over. But you're not doing that, so you're just getting the same amount of struggle in these weird little slow doses all day long.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
All... So you're never getting, like, "Oh my God, I'm in agony, I can't breathe."
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you did, then the rest of the day would be easy.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Instead, you're getting, "Oh my God, the world is closing in on me and I don't know why I'm so freaked out, and I'm riddled with anxiety all day long for no fucking reason. I'm having a panic attack and there's nothing wrong." That's what's going on.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you're, you're getting your suffering in, like, little doses all day long, and it's driving you-
- CHCameron Hanes
Like misery.
- JRJoe Rogan
... fucking crazy.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's why you get on SSRIs, and that's why you do this, and that's why you do that, and you join a cult.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And everyone's just trying to figure out a way to feel better. Everyone's just trying to figure out a way to feel better.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And one of the ways to feel better is voluntary struggling.
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gotta volunteer to put yourself in stressful situations-
- CHCameron Hanes
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... difficult situations. Do it on purpose. If you do that, then the regular world is easier.
- CHCameron Hanes
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, uh... I, I think, like, w- I'm always, of course, biased towards hunting in the mountains, but I also think that men, um, men specifically... You know, where I grew up and in the environment I grew up, hunters were respected. And if you killed a big buck, you're like... That meant something in the small town I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's very difficult to do.
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