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Joe Rogan Experience #2429 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a comedian, actor, and author. He co-hosts “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with comedian Bert Kreischer. His new special, “Tom Segura: Teacher,” premieres December 24 on Netflix. https://www.tomsegura.com https://www.ymhstudios.com https://www.youtube.com/@YMHStudios https://www.netflix.com/title/81605925 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit https://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit https://ccpg.org (CT), or visit https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.

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  1. 0:00 – 0:51

    Croissants, bakery talk, and Tom’s 80-pound transformation

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Is that hat your croissant, your croissant-

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... company? Bro, those croissants are a real fucking problem.

    6. TS

      They're the shit, aren't they?

    7. JR

      I was gonna eat one bite. This is what's left.

    8. TS

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      I was like, "I'll have a bite."

    10. TS

      They're so good, man.

    11. JR

      It's too buttery. Well, how can, how can a guy lose as much weight as you lost and then open up a fucking bakery?

    12. TS

      (sighs) Because I started with them when I was so fat-

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. TS

      It was perfect. Like, I fell in love with that place when I was close to my fattest-

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. TS

      ... and I was like, "This is a match made in heaven."

    17. JR

      How big were you when you were your fattest?

    18. TS

      The most I ever weighed was 265.

    19. JR

      Holy shit.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      And what are you now?

    22. TS

      187.

    23. JR

      That's insane.

    24. TS

      Yeah, so that's like, what? 80 pounds?

    25. JR

      What does that feel like on your joints?

    26. TS

      Feels great. I feel so much better. I feel so much better.

    27. JR

      Of course.

  2. 0:51 – 2:27

    Training structure: trainer accountability, macros, protein targets, and carb cycling

    1. TS

      I'm lifting four days a week.

    2. JR

      Wow.

    3. TS

      Um, yeah, I just, I lifted this morning.

    4. JR

      Do you have a trainer? Or do you keep-

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... going solo?

    7. TS

      No, he meets me there every day-

    8. JR

      Nice.

    9. TS

      ... or every day that I'm-

    10. JR

      Do you do that for accountability?

    11. TS

      (smacks lips) You know, I just realized that I, I mean, I've trained enough now where I can, I can do a good workout on my own, but I always feel like I, it's never as good as when he's there.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TS

      It, it's alwa- you know what I mean? Like, it's always a little bit harder, and I always feel like it's a better workout when he's there.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. TS

      Yeah. He pushes me, Sean.

    16. JR

      So you've been with him for a while?

    17. TS

      I've been with him for, yeah, for years. Um, the other difference, the big difference is that I've been, I dialed in, not with croissants, but I've-

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. TS

      ... dialed in my nutrition a lot more. Like, I eat four times a day now, and I-

    20. JR

      Oh.

    21. TS

      ... I'm on top of my macros. You know, I mean, things I'VE never done before.

    22. JR

      You eat, why do you eat four times a day?

    23. TS

      This nutritionist just gave me this plan, and I've s- I've been just doing it.

    24. JR

      Interesting.

    25. TS

      Yeah. So I eat 50 grams of protein at every, uh, at each of those four, you know, four different meals.

    26. JR

      Okay.

    27. TS

      So I get, end up getting 200 grams.

    28. JR

      So you, you do smaller meals that are lower in calories but high in protein.

    29. TS

      Yeah. Yep. And then I, I also, I, I carb cycle. So, like, I know on a, an, like if a, like today was legs, I know that it's, it's a more intense workout, I'll do the full portions of these carbs, right, which sometimes is sweet potatoes or white rice. But on a day if I'm like, if it's a rest day or I'm, I'm doing, like, less intense workout, I'll dial back how much of those carbs I eat.

    30. JR

      Hm. Are you, do you take a pre-workout?

  3. 2:27 – 4:57

    Early mornings, writer’s room schedule, and the sleep discipline problem

    1. TS

      I, I have a pre-workout meal every time. So, like, in the morning I get up, uh, d- I've been getting up at 5:30, so I, I get-

    2. JR

      What?

    3. TS

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      What the fuck are you doing, man?

    5. TS

      I mean, 'cause I've been in the writer's room on my, on season two of Bad Thoughts.

    6. JR

      Oh.

    7. TS

      So I've been, uh, I've been getting up at 5:30, and my pre-workout meal are these, like, I guess it's, like, muesli, kind of like grains, you know?

    8. JR

      Uh-huh.

    9. TS

      With, um, with some honey, a little bit of almond butter, and then I have, uh, Greek yogurt with, um, a scoop of, uh, whey protein. So that's my pre-workout, I, and after that I go to the gym. And then during the workout I sometimes have a, like, an intra-workout shake. Sometimes I just-

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    12. JR

      Wow.

    13. TS

      But I mean, I feel much better d- doing it that way.

    14. JR

      Doing it that way. Yeah.

    15. TS

      I do. And then, uh, and then I eat again about a hour after that workout, so that's my second meal. Then a few hours later is three, and then my fourth one's, like, around six.

    16. JR

      So you have your second meal by the time it's, like, 8:00 AM?

    17. TS

      Uh, maybe, like, 9:30. Yeah.

    18. JR

      That's so crazy.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      What time are you going to bed at night?

    21. TS

      Well, that's, that's the key to this whole fucking thing. (laughs) That's the key to the whole thing, is that you go, "To do this, I gotta do this. And to do that, I gotta do that. To do, and to do that, I gotta get up early." And the only way I can get up early is by staying on top of when I go to bed. You know, when we met, I was going to bed at three o'clock in the morning.

    22. JR

      Normal stuff.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. TS

      And I would get up at, like, 11:00.

    26. JR

      Yeah. Like a normal person.

    27. TS

      Like a normal person.

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. TS

      And then I would say in the last decade m- a lot of my bedtime kind of shifted to, like, around midnight, and then it shifted to, like, a little bit, like, closer to 11:00. In the last few months, like, sticking to this plan, I've started to go to bed sometimes at, like, 10:00, 10:30, which for me is, like, very early.

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  4. 4:57 – 7:38

    Morning workouts as mental clarity: cardio vs lifting and silencing internal chatter

    1. JR

      If I don't work out first thing in the morning, though, uh, uh, it used to be I re- used to like working out at night 'cause in jujitsu I'd always like doing it night.

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      Morning classes were tough. Tough to get in there early and, and train, and also you don't feel warmed up, and you fucking feel like everything's gonna get hurt.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Uh, but nighttime I can't work out anymore. I can't do that anymore.

    6. TS

      I've completely changed in this regard too.

    7. JR

      T- I'm too busy.

    8. TS

      I used to say, well, I will say that, like, I feel like my strongest between, like, 11:00 and 1:00, like the middle of the day is when I w- if you were to, like, draw up an ideal strength time, that's when I feel like I'm like, "Oh, that's when I'm at my best."

    9. JR

      Why, why do you think that is?

    10. TS

      I think, I, you're-

    11. JR

      You woke up.

    12. TS

      That, yeah, you woke up.

    13. JR

      You're all, you're fired up, you're warmed up.

    14. TS

      You're f- and you're ready to go, and I feel like-

    15. JR

      You had a little food.

    16. TS

      I feel good.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      But I've pivoted to now really enjoying these first thing in the morning workouts where I feel like my whole day is set when I have those workouts.

    19. JR

      Right.

    20. TS

      And I also realize that if I don't, I feel so much different through that, throughout that day.

    21. JR

      Right. That's a good, that's a good factor. F- one, you get that first big win in the morning.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      You got it done. You're, uh, you got good momentum going, but also you're more calm.

    24. TS

      ... yeah.

    25. JR

      That's, that's the big one. That's the big one.

    26. TS

      And focused, right?

    27. JR

      When we did that Sober October thing, we were all doing cardio, crazy cardio. One thing you said to me that really rang true is, like, it totally c- silences all that internal chatter.

    28. TS

      Yeah, it does.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TS

      Yeah. And, and I think, I think one thing about the writer's room is that, you know, you have to be alert. You have to be focused.

  5. 7:38 – 9:38

    Aging metrics and future-proofing: VO2 max, bone density, and time moving fast

    1. TS

      I got so obsessed with some of these, this, like, these data and metrics about this, you know?

    2. JR

      Uh-oh.

    3. TS

      Yeah, just like-

    4. JR

      That becomes a problem.

    5. TS

      But yeah. Well, I don't mean, like, that, like, I have to d- But, like, the, just the, the data that people are talking about as people age of, like, if you're not lifting and your bone density-

    6. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TS

      ... goes down.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TS

      Or like your VO2 max. Like-

    10. JR

      Yup.

    11. TS

      ... learning about that stuff and going like, "If you don't start thinking about that at a certain age, one day it will be, like, so out of your grasp," you know?

    12. JR

      I was just having this conversation with Shane Gillis. I was like, "You have to realize, like, 20 years goes by so fast," 'cause I'm 20 years older than him.

    13. TS

      Uh-huh.

    14. JR

      And I'm like, "20 years ago, I, you, like... That happened, it was yesterday."

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And all of a sudden, I'm 58. And 20 years from now, I'm 78.

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      That's dead.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, that's almost dead.

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Like, and, and you can either be almost dead and look like RFK Jr.-

    23. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      ... or you could be almost dead and look like Trump.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      So they're kinda same thing.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      They're, they're in the same neighborhood. Like-

    29. TS

      And you have a choice.

    30. JR

      Trump's only seven or eight years older than RFK Jr.

  6. 9:38 – 17:28

    Fear, discomfort, and procrastination: why people avoid writing and hard things

    1. JR

      Before you know it. It's why, like, there's guys that, like, never got going with their life, or they got distracted with stupid shit, and they never really, like, focused-

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... on whatever it is they do, what their career is. And then you see them 20 years later, they're in like their late 40s, and they're fucking scrambling and d- depressed, and...

    4. TS

      I'm friends with so many of them, dude.

    5. JR

      Oh, it's a problem.

    6. TS

      I'm friends with so many of them.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      Like, I'm in that age pocket where it's like-

    9. JR

      Uh-huh.

    10. TS

      ... a lot of my friends are in that, like...

    11. JR

      They never did anything.

    12. TS

      Yeah, and they're really, they're really scrambling.

    13. JR

      Yeah, and they're really desperate. And then they, they want help, which is like, "Hey, I can't fucking hold your hand." Like-

    14. TS

      Exactly.

    15. JR

      ... you did this to yourself. Like, you should've paid attention to what we were all doing all those years ago.

    16. TS

      It's unnerving, too, when some of them... (exhales) Like, I have friends who are like... You're like, "Dude, like, we're in our 40s."

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      And you're, you're... And the, uh, the thing is, the worst part about it is you realize how much of it is dictated by fear. Like, they're just scared to do things. It's like someone who's scared to step in the gym or something, right?

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. TS

      And you're like... If you're, you're just scared to get your, to take that step to do something.

    21. JR

      Scared to be uncomfortable is what it is.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah, that's the thing. It's like most people are scared to be uncomfortable, so they're scared to sit down in front of the computer and write. They don't write, 'cause they're scared to, to be... I don't... The writing thing is the weirdest one.

    24. TS

      Fear of the unknown.

    25. JR

      'Cause I don't understand why that's even uncomfortable, but it is. I, I get it. It is. I, I avoid it sometimes. I come home, and I'm like, "I really should write, but I could watch YouTube."

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And then I'll fucking sit in front of the TV. I'm like, "I earned this."

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      And then I'll watch YouTube.

    30. TS

      Anything to not do it.

  7. 17:28 – 22:15

    Yoga humility and why everyone should try combat sports at least once

    1. JR

      Do you ever do any yoga?

    2. TS

      I did. I haven't in a while.

    3. JR

      Well, remember when we did it-

    4. TS

      I do.

    5. JR

      That was our first challenge, right?

    6. TS

      I do, and that was awesome. And then a few y- ... like, a year or two ago, I, I started doing some yoga here. And it was so challenging. I was like, "Fuck, this is really hard."

    7. JR

      Was it the same kind, or different?

    8. TS

      Um, just like ... no, it wasn't ... it wasn't a hot yoga. It was just, like, you know, you're going through all the positions. I don't know-

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. TS

      ... how to even describe it, but-

    11. JR

      Poses?

    12. TS

      Yeah, the ... all the poses. And I was like, "Man," I was, you know, shaking in, in certain poses, and I was ... it was really challenging. And I have not done it in a while. I probably should do it again.

    13. JR

      Was it the same kinda yoga though? Were the poses different than, like, bikrams?

    14. TS

      No, the same kinda poses. The same kinda-

    15. JR

      Same shit?

    16. TS

      Yeah, just not hot.... hot, hot, it's rad.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      It's harder.

    20. TS

      It is. I remembered, I did do a hot yoga here in Austin, like, in July.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. TS

      I was like, "This isn't much different than outside right now."

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. TS

      And, uh, I, I remember, like, feeling so relieved when I saw somebody tap out of the room before me. I was like, "I can't tap out first."

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. TS

      Just watching people, and some guy was like, "I gotta get out." I was like, "All right, I'm gonna get out of here in a minute."

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    29. JR

      I remember the first time I did it, I was like, "I can't believe how hard this is."

    30. TS

      It's so hard.

  8. 22:15 – 26:29

    Street awareness, sucker punches, and influencer culture colliding with real fighters

    1. JR

      You can land a lot of things on people if they don't know you're gonna punch them.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      That's why sucker punches work.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Whenever I, when I used to teach martial arts, one of the first things I would tell people is, "You have to realize that action is so much faster than reaction." So, the reason why a sucker punch works is because you have no idea that this person is going to do it.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And then by the time they're doing it, it's too late.

    8. TS

      It's too late for you.

    9. JR

      You don't react in time.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      That's why people get punched like that. You can't, I'm like, you can't ever let anybody get close enough. You can't ever let anybody that's threatening you get in a position where they think, like, you think that they could hit you, and you, you don't know it's coming.

    12. TS

      Right.

    13. JR

      'Cause it can happen too fast.

    14. TS

      So, that's why you gotta, you have to have your awareness to, uh, that somebody approaching you is already a threat, or can be.

    15. JR

      100%. Yeah.

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Like, remember the time I got in that stupid thing on Fear Factor?

    18. TS

      Yes.

    19. JR

      With that guy?

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      That was 100% my thought process. Like, "This guy could punch me at any second."

    22. TS

      Yeah. So you have to act.

    23. JR

      Yeah, I had to grab him. But it was one of those moments where I was like, "All right, this is, uh, a very angry person that's already irrational."

    24. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      What's most irrational? Sucker punching the host.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And also, this is like, you gotta think of reality TV. What is everyone trying to do? Everyone's trying to go viral. They're all trying to have a clip that gets played over and over again.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      They're all trying to get everybody to watch the show, so they're all acting in the most outrageous way possible.

    30. TS

      Yeah. (laughs)

  9. 26:29 – 34:45

    Kids, competitiveness, and the ‘intelligent psycho’ athletic mindset

    1. TS

      My oldest does, does it twice a week. And he's been... He's, he's a athletic kid. He's got some proficiency and he keeps moving up, you know, and, and-

    2. JR

      He's gonna kill you.

    3. TS

      Well, he'll... Well, you know how-

    4. JR

      You're gonna have to start taking classes.

    5. TS

      We also start... We fuck around 'cause he's-

    6. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TS

      I have two little boys. This dude will immediately, like, go just, put me in an armbar, and I'm like, "Yo."

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. TS

      And I'm like... And the only th- (laughs) thing that, like, saves me is that I'm s- uh, still so much bigger-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TS

      ... you know, and, and stronger. But I'm like-

    12. JR

      He, he might have to start taking classes-

    13. TS

      It's the-

    14. JR

      ... or he's not gonna listen.

    15. TS

      The clock is ticking. Yeah.

    16. JR

      When he's, like, 16 or 17.

    17. TS

      Oh, no, no, no. Yeah.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      That, that would be a problem, a real problem. Yeah.

    20. JR

      Well, that's also a weird problem too, because all the sudden you can do things to men. Like, I remember thinking that when I was, like, 16. When I was 16, 17 when I was f- competing.

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      I... All of a sudden, I could beat men up. I was like, "This is crazy."

    23. TS

      That's crazy, yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah. This is weird.

    25. TS

      Yeah, I kn- I have the skills.

    26. JR

      'Cause all, all my life, men were terrifying. Like, men were t-... Men get angry. Men will hit you.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      You run, run from the men. And now I'm like, "I'll fuck this grown-ass man up."

    29. TS

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      It was crazy. It was a crazy transition.

  10. 34:45 – 39:19

    Obsession vs sustainability: ultra-endurance darkness and ‘don’t let it take over’

    1. JR

      Well, I decided one day to just, like, take it to, to the, like, the... I wanted to see, like, what can I do? That was the day I did seven hours of cardio.

    2. TS

      I think...

    3. JR

      And set off my alarm in my gym for my sweat.

    4. TS

      Jesus.

    5. JR

      I set off the fire alarm.

    6. TS

      From just being so hot, yeah.

    7. JR

      There's a video of it. There's a video on Instagram of... Uh, the puddles on the ground are the most preposterous thing. I, I sweat puddles.

    8. TS

      I think your wife too, right? 'Cause my, Christina was like-

    9. JR

      She went, "You can't do this anymore." Yeah.

    10. TS

      She was like, "What are you doing? Like, you're not spending any time with your family. You're just, like, so obsessed with this thing."

    11. JR

      It's like I, um, I re-met an old friend.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      That's what it was like for me. It was like, "Oh, I forgot that guy's in there."

    14. TS

      Yeah. So-

    15. JR

      I don't necessarily like that guy.

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      He, he scares me. It's like, I don't like something... Scares me, not, not, like, not being dramatic. This is what it is.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      That that could derail your life. So, you could... That obsession could take over again with something, with anything, and then I won't be doing anything but that thing. Like, that's one of the reasons why I like to do a lot of stuff, is 'cause I d- I don't want-

    20. TS

      One obsession.

    21. JR

      That... Yeah, I don't want that one-

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... that brain to focus on. It's not good for mental health.

    24. TS

      I know.

    25. JR

      It's really good for success. Like, if you're r- really gonna get really good at one thing, that's the thing. But for overall happiness, I don't find that to be appealing. I don't like that feeling.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like, that Sober October feeling was kind of crazy.

    28. TS

      This is kinda why, like, I feel like I, I'm trying to embrace a lifestyle that's not... That's accessible, but not dramatic.

    29. JR

      Yes.

    30. TS

      Like, I could go and go, "I'm gonna do, you know, two and a half hours at the gym every day."

  11. 39:19 – 49:15

    Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua: skill, spectacle, gas tank limits, and brain health costs

    1. TS

      Did you watch, by the way, did you watch the, um, Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul fight?

    2. JR

      I did. Of course I did. Yeah.

    3. TS

      Yeah, I would've, I would've guessed.

    4. JR

      Yeah, I had to watch it. Oh, it was a spectacle.

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Um, look, th- that guy did great. For someone who's been boxing for like less than a decade, he has had no real, um, professional opponents other than Tommy Fury that were legitimate world-class boxers.

    7. TS

      I don't even remember what happened in the Tommy Fury fight.

    8. JR

      He lost a close decision, but it was a good fight. It was a good fight though. He's a good boxer. If he wasn't a YouTuber, people would be way more impressed with him.

    9. TS

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      The problem is, he was like a famous kid and then no one took him seriously.

    11. TS

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      But-

    13. TS

      Oh, and then he started too with like more spectacle-ish fights. People were like, "Oh, this is... You're..." He fought, you know, Nate Robinson, like a basketball player, but-

    14. JR

      Yeah, but the thing is, he knocked Nate Robinson dead.

    15. TS

      He knocked him the fuck out, yeah.

    16. JR

      And it's the way he did it that I was trying to tell people. I'm like, "No, no, no. That was skillful." So like there's, there's like boxing matches where you see two guys just slugging it out and one guy lands a punch and-

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... yeah, he landed a good punch. What Jake did is he slid back-

    19. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      ... and landed a punch.

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      It's like the athleticism along with the intelligence, the technique. I'm like, he's not even doing it that long. And he's also hypercompetitive, even though he's wealthy.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      You know, like you would assume that wealth would take away your drive for competition.

    25. TS

      But it hasn't, yeah.

    26. JR

      He's also nuts, right?

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      Just the fact that he's willing to fight the two-time heavyweight champion, former Olympic gold medalist.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      A guy who was gigantic in his prime.

  12. 49:15 – 53:46

    Alex Pereira’s genetics, Amazon mystique, and Tom’s Peru jungle trip

    1. TS

      Alex, I didn't realize how big he is.

    2. JR

      Giant.

    3. TS

      I did not realize that until, uh, the photo of him next to somebody I know, like a friend. And I was like, "What?"

    4. JR

      There's a lot of chatter about him fighting in the heavyweight division now.

    5. TS

      Really?

    6. JR

      There's a lot of chatter about it. There's a lot of chatter about him perhaps even fighting Ciryl Gane. I don't know how much of this is true, I haven't talked to Dana about it, but, uh, it's not an illogical move. He's 240 pounds right now, 240 plus.

    7. TS

      And he's like, what? 6'4", 6-

    8. JR

      6'5", 6-

    9. TS

      ... 6'5".

    10. JR

      6'4" or 6'5".

    11. TS

      Fuck.

    12. JR

      And don't... Ma- make no mistake about it, that guy can knock out heavyweights. No doubt about it. He hits harder than anyone they've ever recorded ever on that fucking stupid, uh, punch machine.

    13. TS

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      You know that thing?

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Francis Ngannou got, like, a 129 on it, which is crazy.

    17. TS

      Crazy.

    18. JR

      He got a 190.

    19. TS

      190?

    20. JR

      190. When you watch him hit it, you're like, "What the fuck?" What... You wanna see it?

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      You should just see it just to feel what it would feel like to get hit in the head by that.

    23. TS

      Oh, my God. Yeah.

    24. JR

      Like, that guy is out there in the world.

    25. TS

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    26. JR

      You know what I'm saying?

    27. TS

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

    28. JR

      Like, if you think you're gonna be a journeyman-

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... and you're gonna, all of a sudden, you know, be looking across the octagon and that standing there, chama. Like, he's gonna hunt you.

  13. 53:46 – 58:50

    Hidden civilizations, LiDAR discoveries, and the idea we don’t know our own planet

    1. JR

      It's cra- it's n- such a crazy place. You know the craziest part about it? The density of the Amazon rainforest is essentially manmade.

    2. TS

      Manmade?

    3. JR

      Manmade, yeah.

    4. TS

      Really?

    5. JR

      Yeah, they didn't know that until fairly recently. Those are agriculture plants that grew out of control, got of control.

    6. TS

      And they constantly find... But they'll find, you know, they'll find, like, a species of a bird.

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. TS

      And they'll be like, "This is the only place we've ever seen this bird."

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. TS

      "It doesn't exist anywhere else on the planet."

    11. JR

      It all used to be populated, too. That's what's really crazy.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      They do... Have you seen that LiDAR stuff that they do?

    14. TS

      Yes.

    15. JR

      And they find all these ancient structures?

    16. TS

      Yes.

    17. JR

      The white man came and brought the cooties.

    18. TS

      And there's-

    19. JR

      That's what happened.

    20. TS

      And there's still, like, these tribes-

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. TS

      ... that live there and literally have blow darts.

    23. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    24. TS

      That hunt, and that's how they kill the- their, their meals.

    25. JR

      My friend Paul Rosolie lives there.

    26. TS

      Lives there?

    27. JR

      He lives in the Amazon.

    28. TS

      Fuck.

    29. JR

      He, he's got this organization that's working to try to preserve the rainforest, and one of the things that they do is they find these loggers. And these loggers, generally they're poor guys that just get forced to do these jobs.

    30. TS

      Uh-huh.

  14. 58:50 – 1:16:04

    Peru’s megaliths, Nazca lines, and the ‘tridactyl mummy’ alien-body controversy

    1. TS

      Nothing makes sense when you're there. Like, I've been three times to Machu Picchu, and that, you're always just like-

    2. JR

      Oh, you went to Machu Picchu? Yeah.

    3. TS

      Yeah, I went three times. And, and every time, 'cause you see photos and stuff. When you're actually there, you're like, "I just, I ... " It's just, your brain just goes, it do- I don't un- You know. It doesn't ad- 'Cause it's all theories.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. TS

      Everyone, like, they'll ... You'll have a guide who's like-

    6. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TS

      "This is how," and you're like, "Yeah, but y- this is your guess, motherfucker. You don't know that." You know?

    8. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. TS

      'Cause it just doesn't add up, in your head, how this could be built up in the Andes. Like ...

    10. JR

      Well, the predominant theory by the alternative historians is that water was that high back then.

    11. TS

      Oh.

    12. JR

      In that area, yeah. And that there have been some enormous seismic changes, you know, earthquakes and the like, which is one of the reasons why they made those stones the way they did in the first place. Like, if you see the stones, they're cut like jigsaw puzzle pieces-

    13. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      ... and slipped into place.

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      The reason why they did that is because that would better redistribute any energy that would come from an earthquake.

    17. TS

      Inter- But, like, do you know the idea of-

    18. JR

      So instead of, like, bricks stacked on top of bricks, they're all, like, interlocking with each other with a bunch of different angles-

    19. TS

      But they're-

    20. JR

      ... and they're immense.

    21. TS

      Th- these pieces are so-

    22. JR

      Immense.

    23. TS

      ... immense. And it's laying perfectly flush against the next piece.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. TS

      Like, it's not, like, kind of sloppily thrown together.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. TS

      It looks like an architecture firm-

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. TS

      ... designed it and hired ... You know, like that there were cranes putting ... You're like, "How the fuck would this be put together in 1500?"

    30. JR

      Yeah. It's, it's really, really difficult to figure out.

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