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Joe Rogan Experience #2429 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a comedian, actor, and author. He co-hosts “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with comedian Bert Kreischer. His new special, “Tom Segura: Teacher,” premieres December 24 on Netflix. https://www.tomsegura.com https://www.ymhstudios.com https://www.youtube.com/@YMHStudios https://www.netflix.com/title/81605925 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit https://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit https://ccpg.org (CT), or visit https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.

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  1. 0:00 – 0:51

    Croissants, weight loss, and the irony of opening a bakery

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Is that hat your croissant, your croissant-

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... company? Bro, those croissants are a real fucking problem.

    6. TS

      They're the shit, aren't they?

    7. JR

      I was gonna eat one bite. This is what's left.

    8. TS

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      I was like, "I'll have a bite."

    10. TS

      They're so good, man.

    11. JR

      It's too buttery. Well, how can, how can a guy lose as much weight as you lost and then open up a fucking bakery?

    12. TS

      (sighs) Because I started with them when I was so fat-

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. TS

      It was perfect. Like, I fell in love with that place when I was close to my fattest-

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. TS

      ... and I was like, "This is a match made in heaven."

    17. JR

      How big were you when you were your fattest?

    18. TS

      The most I ever weighed was 265.

    19. JR

      Holy shit.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      And what are you now?

    22. TS

      187.

    23. JR

      That's insane.

    24. TS

      Yeah, so that's like, what? 80 pounds?

    25. JR

      What does that feel like on your joints?

    26. TS

      Feels great. I feel so much better. I feel so much better.

    27. JR

      Of course.

  2. 0:51 – 2:27

    Tom’s training routine: trainer accountability, macros, protein targets, and carb cycling

    1. TS

      I'm lifting four days a week.

    2. JR

      Wow.

    3. TS

      Um, yeah, I just, I lifted this morning.

    4. JR

      Do you have a trainer? Or do you keep-

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... going solo?

    7. TS

      No, he meets me there every day-

    8. JR

      Nice.

    9. TS

      ... or every day that I'm-

    10. JR

      Do you do that for accountability?

    11. TS

      (smacks lips) You know, I just realized that I, I mean, I've trained enough now where I can, I can do a good workout on my own, but I always feel like I, it's never as good as when he's there.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TS

      It, it's alwa- you know what I mean? Like, it's always a little bit harder, and I always feel like it's a better workout when he's there.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. TS

      Yeah. He pushes me, Sean.

    16. JR

      So you've been with him for a while?

    17. TS

      I've been with him for, yeah, for years. Um, the other difference, the big difference is that I've been, I dialed in, not with croissants, but I've-

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. TS

      ... dialed in my nutrition a lot more. Like, I eat four times a day now, and I-

    20. JR

      Oh.

    21. TS

      ... I'm on top of my macros. You know, I mean, things I'VE never done before.

    22. JR

      You eat, why do you eat four times a day?

    23. TS

      This nutritionist just gave me this plan, and I've s- I've been just doing it.

    24. JR

      Interesting.

    25. TS

      Yeah. So I eat 50 grams of protein at every, uh, at each of those four, you know, four different meals.

    26. JR

      Okay.

    27. TS

      So I get, end up getting 200 grams.

    28. JR

      So you, you do smaller meals that are lower in calories but high in protein.

    29. TS

      Yeah. Yep. And then I, I also, I, I carb cycle. So, like, I know on a, an, like if a, like today was legs, I know that it's, it's a more intense workout, I'll do the full portions of these carbs, right, which sometimes is sweet potatoes or white rice. But on a day if I'm like, if it's a rest day or I'm, I'm doing, like, less intense workout, I'll dial back how much of those carbs I eat.

    30. JR

      Hm. Are you, do you take a pre-workout?

  3. 2:27 – 4:57

    Early mornings for the writer’s room: pre-workout meals, intra-workout shakes, and sleep discipline

    1. TS

      I, I have a pre-workout meal every time. So, like, in the morning I get up, uh, d- I've been getting up at 5:30, so I, I get-

    2. JR

      What?

    3. TS

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      What the fuck are you doing, man?

    5. TS

      I mean, 'cause I've been in the writer's room on my, on season two of Bad Thoughts.

    6. JR

      Oh.

    7. TS

      So I've been, uh, I've been getting up at 5:30, and my pre-workout meal are these, like, I guess it's, like, muesli, kind of like grains, you know?

    8. JR

      Uh-huh.

    9. TS

      With, um, with some honey, a little bit of almond butter, and then I have, uh, Greek yogurt with, um, a scoop of, uh, whey protein. So that's my pre-workout, I, and after that I go to the gym. And then during the workout I sometimes have a, like, an intra-workout shake. Sometimes I just-

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    12. JR

      Wow.

    13. TS

      But I mean, I feel much better d- doing it that way.

    14. JR

      Doing it that way. Yeah.

    15. TS

      I do. And then, uh, and then I eat again about a hour after that workout, so that's my second meal. Then a few hours later is three, and then my fourth one's, like, around six.

    16. JR

      So you have your second meal by the time it's, like, 8:00 AM?

    17. TS

      Uh, maybe, like, 9:30. Yeah.

    18. JR

      That's so crazy.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      What time are you going to bed at night?

    21. TS

      Well, that's, that's the key to this whole fucking thing. (laughs) That's the key to the whole thing, is that you go, "To do this, I gotta do this. And to do that, I gotta do that. To do, and to do that, I gotta get up early." And the only way I can get up early is by staying on top of when I go to bed. You know, when we met, I was going to bed at three o'clock in the morning.

    22. JR

      Normal stuff.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. TS

      And I would get up at, like, 11:00.

    26. JR

      Yeah. Like a normal person.

    27. TS

      Like a normal person.

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. TS

      And then I would say in the last decade m- a lot of my bedtime kind of shifted to, like, around midnight, and then it shifted to, like, a little bit, like, closer to 11:00. In the last few months, like, sticking to this plan, I've started to go to bed sometimes at, like, 10:00, 10:30, which for me is, like, very early.

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  4. 4:57 – 7:38

    Why morning workouts ‘set the day’: calm focus, cardio’s mental effects, and extending endurance

    1. JR

      If I don't work out first thing in the morning, though, uh, uh, it used to be I re- used to like working out at night 'cause in jujitsu I'd always like doing it night.

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      Morning classes were tough. Tough to get in there early and, and train, and also you don't feel warmed up, and you fucking feel like everything's gonna get hurt.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Uh, but nighttime I can't work out anymore. I can't do that anymore.

    6. TS

      I've completely changed in this regard too.

    7. JR

      T- I'm too busy.

    8. TS

      I used to say, well, I will say that, like, I feel like my strongest between, like, 11:00 and 1:00, like the middle of the day is when I w- if you were to, like, draw up an ideal strength time, that's when I feel like I'm like, "Oh, that's when I'm at my best."

    9. JR

      Why, why do you think that is?

    10. TS

      I think, I, you're-

    11. JR

      You woke up.

    12. TS

      That, yeah, you woke up.

    13. JR

      You're all, you're fired up, you're warmed up.

    14. TS

      You're f- and you're ready to go, and I feel like-

    15. JR

      You had a little food.

    16. TS

      I feel good.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      But I've pivoted to now really enjoying these first thing in the morning workouts where I feel like my whole day is set when I have those workouts.

    19. JR

      Right.

    20. TS

      And I also realize that if I don't, I feel so much different through that, throughout that day.

    21. JR

      Right. That's a good, that's a good factor. F- one, you get that first big win in the morning.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      You got it done. You're, uh, you got good momentum going, but also you're more calm.

    24. TS

      ... yeah.

    25. JR

      That's, that's the big one. That's the big one.

    26. TS

      And focused, right?

    27. JR

      When we did that Sober October thing, we were all doing cardio, crazy cardio. One thing you said to me that really rang true is, like, it totally c- silences all that internal chatter.

    28. TS

      Yeah, it does.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TS

      Yeah. And, and I think, I think one thing about the writer's room is that, you know, you have to be alert. You have to be focused.

  5. 7:38 – 9:38

    Aging, VO2 max, bone density, and the ‘20 years goes by fast’ perspective

    1. TS

      I got so obsessed with some of these, this, like, these data and metrics about this, you know?

    2. JR

      Uh-oh.

    3. TS

      Yeah, just like-

    4. JR

      That becomes a problem.

    5. TS

      But yeah. Well, I don't mean, like, that, like, I have to d- But, like, the, just the, the data that people are talking about as people age of, like, if you're not lifting and your bone density-

    6. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TS

      ... goes down.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TS

      Or like your VO2 max. Like-

    10. JR

      Yup.

    11. TS

      ... learning about that stuff and going like, "If you don't start thinking about that at a certain age, one day it will be, like, so out of your grasp," you know?

    12. JR

      I was just having this conversation with Shane Gillis. I was like, "You have to realize, like, 20 years goes by so fast," 'cause I'm 20 years older than him.

    13. TS

      Uh-huh.

    14. JR

      And I'm like, "20 years ago, I, you, like... That happened, it was yesterday."

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And all of a sudden, I'm 58. And 20 years from now, I'm 78.

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      That's dead.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, that's almost dead.

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Like, and, and you can either be almost dead and look like RFK Jr.-

    23. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      ... or you could be almost dead and look like Trump.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      So they're kinda same thing.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      They're, they're in the same neighborhood. Like-

    29. TS

      And you have a choice.

    30. JR

      Trump's only seven or eight years older than RFK Jr.

  6. 9:38 – 11:45

    Fear, discomfort avoidance, and why people procrastinate their lives (especially writing)

    1. JR

      Before you know it. It's why, like, there's guys that, like, never got going with their life, or they got distracted with stupid shit, and they never really, like, focused-

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... on whatever it is they do, what their career is. And then you see them 20 years later, they're in like their late 40s, and they're fucking scrambling and d- depressed, and...

    4. TS

      I'm friends with so many of them, dude.

    5. JR

      Oh, it's a problem.

    6. TS

      I'm friends with so many of them.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TS

      Like, I'm in that age pocket where it's like-

    9. JR

      Uh-huh.

    10. TS

      ... a lot of my friends are in that, like...

    11. JR

      They never did anything.

    12. TS

      Yeah, and they're really, they're really scrambling.

    13. JR

      Yeah, and they're really desperate. And then they, they want help, which is like, "Hey, I can't fucking hold your hand." Like-

    14. TS

      Exactly.

    15. JR

      ... you did this to yourself. Like, you should've paid attention to what we were all doing all those years ago.

    16. TS

      It's unnerving, too, when some of them... (exhales) Like, I have friends who are like... You're like, "Dude, like, we're in our 40s."

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      And you're, you're... And the, uh, the thing is, the worst part about it is you realize how much of it is dictated by fear. Like, they're just scared to do things. It's like someone who's scared to step in the gym or something, right?

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. TS

      And you're like... If you're, you're just scared to get your, to take that step to do something.

    21. JR

      Scared to be uncomfortable is what it is.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah, that's the thing. It's like most people are scared to be uncomfortable, so they're scared to sit down in front of the computer and write. They don't write, 'cause they're scared to, to be... I don't... The writing thing is the weirdest one.

    24. TS

      Fear of the unknown.

    25. JR

      'Cause I don't understand why that's even uncomfortable, but it is. I, I get it. It is. I, I avoid it sometimes. I come home, and I'm like, "I really should write, but I could watch YouTube."

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And then I'll fucking sit in front of the TV. I'm like, "I earned this."

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      And then I'll watch YouTube.

    30. TS

      Anything to not do it.

  7. 11:45 – 14:42

    Comedians who don’t watch comedies: influences, sitcom mechanics, and family viewing

    1. JR

      (laughs)

    2. TS

      ... in the writer's room, and I didn't realize this until I talked it out. We were talking about, um, you know, like... 'Cause sometimes you're like, "What about this idea?"

    3. JR

      Right.

    4. TS

      Right? And someone will be like, "Well, you know, on that episode of, like, 30 Rock or something..." And I'll be like, "Oh, I never saw that." And they go, "You never saw 30 Rock?" And I'm like, "No."... and then I go, "Oh, well, you know, like, on The Office." They go, "I never watched The Office." I'm like, "You didn't watch The Office?" And then I started talking, I was like, "Oh, I've never watched any of these shows." And they're like, "What?" And I go, "Yeah, I guess I just don't like comedy." (laughs)

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. TS

      And they're like, "What are you talking about?"

    7. JR

      Ah.

    8. TS

      I was like, "Dude, I've never seen The Office, 30 Rock, Sunny, uh, all, like, the huge-"

    9. JR

      Right.

    10. TS

      ... comedies of the last 20 years. I've never seen them.

    11. JR

      I haven't seen them either.

    12. TS

      Y- well, so I ... And I'm like, "Well-"

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TS

      ... I go, my rationale, my thinking is not that I don't like comedy. It's that it's like, you know, you ... I'm on stage all the time, I'm doing comedy, my friends are comedians, we're talking comedy. When I get home and I wanna watch something, I don't wanna watch that.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TS

      I wanna watch something else.

    17. JR

      Um, exactly. That's exactly how I think of it.

    18. TS

      I wanna watch dramas-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. TS

      ... thrillers.

    21. JR

      Something's interesting.

    22. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      Yeah. Stranger Things.

    24. TS

      Yeah, so I just end up never un- ... And they're like, "This is pretty crazy, though. You're in a room of comedy writers and you've never watched-"

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. TS

      "... an episode of comedy." (laughs) I'm like, "Yeah, I guess that is kinda weird."

    27. JR

      I n- I watched them when I was on one.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      You know, I'd watch other sitcoms to see what they were doing differently.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  8. 14:42 – 17:28

    Animation freedom: Simpsons/South Park, suspension of realism, and kids’ physical resilience

    1. TS

      ... right? Which is ... I think a lot of people do, but then, all of a sudden, we were like, "Oh, here's The Simpsons." And what we did was we started with episode one of The Simpsons.

    2. JR

      Oh, wow.

    3. TS

      And what I was so surprised by, I was ... 'cause I was taken by just how, how good the old one ... like, we were watching, like, season one, season two, like the really old ones, where it-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. TS

      ... where everything ... where it took 18 months to produce an episode.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. TS

      This is ... you know, they had to hand draw everything.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TS

      The, the writing and the jokes in them are so good and so funny. And you're wa- ... I'm watching these little dudes, like, get the jokes, and they're ... and it's really funny.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      I mean, it's really good.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TS

      But we started from the beginning.

    14. JR

      How many episodes ... Is The Simpsons still on the air, right?

    15. TS

      I think so. It's, like, season fucking 42 or some shit, yeah.

    16. JR

      That is so wild. And no one gets old.

    17. TS

      No. And, and-

    18. JR

      Right? 'Cause the characters are just cartoons.

    19. TS

      And now they can do them, uh, timely because of technology.

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. TS

      So now they can, like, produce it in a week or something.

    22. JR

      Oh, that's crazy.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      That's crazy.

    25. TS

      'Cause they don't have to hand draw everything.

    26. JR

      Well, didn't they, like, farm it all out to fucking-

    27. TS

      I think so.

    28. JR

      ... South America or some shit?

    29. TS

      It probably ... I'm sure.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  9. 17:28 – 22:15

    Yoga humility and the value of trying hard disciplines (fighting, boxing, jiu-jitsu)

    1. JR

      Do you ever do any yoga?

    2. TS

      I did. I haven't in a while.

    3. JR

      Well, remember when we did it-

    4. TS

      I do.

    5. JR

      That was our first challenge, right?

    6. TS

      I do, and that was awesome. And then a few y- ... like, a year or two ago, I, I started doing some yoga here. And it was so challenging. I was like, "Fuck, this is really hard."

    7. JR

      Was it the same kind, or different?

    8. TS

      Um, just like ... no, it wasn't ... it wasn't a hot yoga. It was just, like, you know, you're going through all the positions. I don't know-

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. TS

      ... how to even describe it, but-

    11. JR

      Poses?

    12. TS

      Yeah, the ... all the poses. And I was like, "Man," I was, you know, shaking in, in certain poses, and I was ... it was really challenging. And I have not done it in a while. I probably should do it again.

    13. JR

      Was it the same kinda yoga though? Were the poses different than, like, bikrams?

    14. TS

      No, the same kinda poses. The same kinda-

    15. JR

      Same shit?

    16. TS

      Yeah, just not hot.... hot, hot, it's rad.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      It's harder.

    20. TS

      It is. I remembered, I did do a hot yoga here in Austin, like, in July.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. TS

      I was like, "This isn't much different than outside right now."

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. TS

      And, uh, I, I remember, like, feeling so relieved when I saw somebody tap out of the room before me. I was like, "I can't tap out first."

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. TS

      Just watching people, and some guy was like, "I gotta get out." I was like, "All right, I'm gonna get out of here in a minute."

    27. JR

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    29. JR

      I remember the first time I did it, I was like, "I can't believe how hard this is."

    30. TS

      It's so hard.

  10. 22:15 – 24:08

    Street violence realities: sucker punches, awareness, and the influence-content culture

    1. JR

      You can land a lot of things on people if they don't know you're gonna punch them.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      That's why sucker punches work.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Whenever I, when I used to teach martial arts, one of the first things I would tell people is, "You have to realize that action is so much faster than reaction." So, the reason why a sucker punch works is because you have no idea that this person is going to do it.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And then by the time they're doing it, it's too late.

    8. TS

      It's too late for you.

    9. JR

      You don't react in time.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      That's why people get punched like that. You can't, I'm like, you can't ever let anybody get close enough. You can't ever let anybody that's threatening you get in a position where they think, like, you think that they could hit you, and you, you don't know it's coming.

    12. TS

      Right.

    13. JR

      'Cause it can happen too fast.

    14. TS

      So, that's why you gotta, you have to have your awareness to, uh, that somebody approaching you is already a threat, or can be.

    15. JR

      100%. Yeah.

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Like, remember the time I got in that stupid thing on Fear Factor?

    18. TS

      Yes.

    19. JR

      With that guy?

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      That was 100% my thought process. Like, "This guy could punch me at any second."

    22. TS

      Yeah. So you have to act.

    23. JR

      Yeah, I had to grab him. But it was one of those moments where I was like, "All right, this is, uh, a very angry person that's already irrational."

    24. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      What's most irrational? Sucker punching the host.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And also, this is like, you gotta think of reality TV. What is everyone trying to do? Everyone's trying to go viral. They're all trying to have a clip that gets played over and over again.

    28. TS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      They're all trying to get everybody to watch the show, so they're all acting in the most outrageous way possible.

    30. TS

      Yeah. (laughs)

  11. 24:08 – 33:34

    Combat sports today: Arlovski, Browne elbows, kids learning online, and parenting a competitive fighter

    1. JR

      Speaking of which, did you see what Andrei Arlovski got into it with these fucking influencers? I bet they didn't know who he is.

    2. TS

      Yes, I did see a clip of that.

    3. JR

      Yeah, I bet they didn't know who he is. They started fucking with former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski.

    4. TS

      Yeah, not a good move.

    5. JR

      He's f- Well, first of all, he's fucking gigantic.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And he's one of the baddest motherfuckers ever.

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Like, that guy just recently retired from the UFC.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Or was released, I should say. He's not even done fighting. He started fighting... He was, he won the UFC title, I think, in 2005.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... that's 20 fucking years ago.

    14. TS

      Uh-huh.

    15. JR

      And the guy was still beating people that are, like, uh, elite fighters just a few years ago.

    16. TS

      And that's who you go pick on?

    17. JR

      You go pick on that guy. (laughs)

    18. TS

      Good luck.

    19. JR

      I think he beat Travis Browne in, like, 2016 or '17. Travis Browne was super legit, real dangerous.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Arlovski was a bad motherfucker, dude.

    22. TS

      I went to a f- a Travis Browne fight once with you.

    23. JR

      Travis Browne was a bad motherfucker.

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Travis Browne r- uh, completely changed the way people look at the clinch because he elbowed so many people into oblivion.

    26. TS

      (inhales deeply)

    27. JR

      If you got a hold of a single on that guy and your head was right there-

    28. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      ... or, or a double, anything where you're trying to take him down against the cage and hi- your head is right there, that fucking dude, boom.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  12. 33:34 – 39:19

    Obsession vs sustainability: Sober October extremes, ultras, Goggins, and why balance matters

    1. JR

      You definitely do. I remember one of the thing... One of the most impressive things about our Sober October thing was you got the flu, and so you were out of it for, like, a couple of days.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      And so the moment you got back, where you felt good, you ran, like, 15 miles.

    4. TS

      In a day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. TS

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      Bro, we were all going nuts.

    8. TS

      Yeah. I was... 'Cause I was like, "I can't be, like, dead, dead last." You know what I mean? Like, I was like, "I just can't."

    9. JR

      I was in the gym at the old studio with Ari. And Ari, uh, he said, "Could I use your gym?" I'm like, "Of course." He's like, "After the podcast, I'm gonna work out. I gotta get my numbers in." And so I was hanging out with him while he was rowing, and he's got a fucking six-pack.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      I was like, "This is crazy." I go, "Ari, you have a six-pack now." I go, "You ripped."

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      I go, "You look great." He's like, "Oh, thanks."

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And he was just fucking rowing. He rowed for a full hour, man-

    16. TS

      But it was, that was-

    17. JR

      ... with a chest strap on-

    18. TS

      That was-

    19. JR

      ... like, racking up his numbers.

    20. TS

      That was the same voice in his head going, "Don't be dead last."

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      'Cause we all, we all knew your-

    23. JR

      Oh, he wanted to beat me.

    24. TS

      ... crazy ass was gonna be going, like, totally psycho. So, we were just like, "We can't be dead last of the rest of us."

    25. JR

      Ari was trying to beat me.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      100%. I know he was.

    28. TS

      Yeah, but you were, like, pissing blood. We were like-

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. TS

      ... "Oh, this guy's, this guy is a little too crazy."

  13. 39:19 – 52:24

    Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua and the long-term cost of head trauma

    1. TS

      Did you watch, by the way, did you watch the, um, Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul fight?

    2. JR

      I did. Of course I did. Yeah.

    3. TS

      Yeah, I would've, I would've guessed.

    4. JR

      Yeah, I had to watch it. Oh, it was a spectacle.

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Um, look, th- that guy did great. For someone who's been boxing for like less than a decade, he has had no real, um, professional opponents other than Tommy Fury that were legitimate world-class boxers.

    7. TS

      I don't even remember what happened in the Tommy Fury fight.

    8. JR

      He lost a close decision, but it was a good fight. It was a good fight though. He's a good boxer. If he wasn't a YouTuber, people would be way more impressed with him.

    9. TS

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      The problem is, he was like a famous kid and then no one took him seriously.

    11. TS

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      But-

    13. TS

      Oh, and then he started too with like more spectacle-ish fights. People were like, "Oh, this is... You're..." He fought, you know, Nate Robinson, like a basketball player, but-

    14. JR

      Yeah, but the thing is, he knocked Nate Robinson dead.

    15. TS

      He knocked him the fuck out, yeah.

    16. JR

      And it's the way he did it that I was trying to tell people. I'm like, "No, no, no. That was skillful." So like there's, there's like boxing matches where you see two guys just slugging it out and one guy lands a punch and-

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... yeah, he landed a good punch. What Jake did is he slid back-

    19. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      ... and landed a punch.

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      It's like the athleticism along with the intelligence, the technique. I'm like, he's not even doing it that long. And he's also hypercompetitive, even though he's wealthy.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      You know, like you would assume that wealth would take away your drive for competition.

    25. TS

      But it hasn't, yeah.

    26. JR

      He's also nuts, right?

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      Just the fact that he's willing to fight the two-time heavyweight champion, former Olympic gold medalist.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      A guy who was gigantic in his prime.

  14. 52:24 – 1:05:21

    Amazon mysteries, LiDAR civilizations, Machu Picchu puzzles, and alternative timelines

    1. TS

      Have you been to the Amazon?

    2. JR

      No.

    3. TS

      I went once.

    4. JR

      Really?

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      What'd you do?

    7. TS

      My uncle was working for an oil company in, in Peru, and there's a part of Peru called Iquitos in the north, where there's the jungle.

    8. JR

      Mm.

    9. TS

      And I went with him, and we went out on the Amazon, and then we pulled up to some place. And, um, he's like, "We're gonna eat here." Right? And it's not, like, a fucking Terry Black's, right?

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      It's just, like, some fucking-

    12. JR

      A shack?

    13. TS

      ... shack. And the guy just kept bringing it out. I was like, "What am I eating?" And he was like, "I'll tell you later."

    14. JR

      Piranha.

    15. TS

      It was all kinds of weird shit. Like-

    16. JR

      What were you eating?

    17. TS

      I mean, snakes and rabbits and, and, you know, j- like, Amazonian shit that I've never even heard of. And I would take bites, I'm like, "What is this?" "Later, I'll tell you later."

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. TS

      I'm just, "Okay." They made me eat all this stuff, and I was like, "This is fucking cra-" But when you're out there, yeah, you are kind of wowed, you know? You're just in awe of everything around you and, like, just the fact that this is in... on the planet with us, and you, you know, you can make a trek to a place like this where there's species of not just animals, flowers and trees and things that don't exist anywhere else.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TS

      And it's so rich with everything that's there. It's a, it's an awe-inspiring kind of thing.

    22. JR

      It hasn't even been documented.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      I mean, there's so many pharmaceutical drugs that come from plants they find in the Amazon.

    25. TS

      It's wild.

    26. JR

      It's cra- it's n- such a crazy place. You know the craziest part about it? The density of the Amazon rainforest is essentially manmade.

    27. TS

      Manmade?

    28. JR

      Manmade, yeah.

    29. TS

      Really?

    30. JR

      Yeah, they didn't know that until fairly recently. Those are agriculture plants that grew out of control, got of control.

  15. 1:05:21 – 1:16:04

    Peru ‘tridactyl mummies’ and UAP speculation: why world-changing stories don’t dominate attention

    1. TS

      You ever... You've looked up... I don't know if we've talked about the Lines of Nazca before.

    2. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    3. TS

      That's so...

    4. JR

      Well, do you know about the, the mummies, the tridactyl mummies that they found in that area?

    5. TS

      Uh-uh.

    6. JR

      Oh, boy.

    7. TS

      No.

    8. JR

      Oh, boy. Okay, so they've always had artwork that depicted these three-fingered, three-toed beings with big eyes. It's a part of, like, ancient Peruvian artwork.

    9. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      Like, they're dated back to, like, 1,000 years.

    11. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      Well, they found these mummified remains of the weirdest looking fucking creatures you've ever seen in your life. They are three feet tall, they have big heads, three fingers, and three toes, and they're dead. And then they do CT scans on them. They have all the ligaments and structure of a living being, but with a... They have, like, a different scapula than us. And I think... Oh, they don't have a sternum, but they have all, they have the ribs that we have. I think the same amount of ribs. But their structure's different, but it's a real structure. Like, when you see the structure with the CT scan, you see flesh and tissue. These things.

    13. TS

      Whoa.

    14. JR

      Bro, this is all in Peru. So, there's all these little metallic implants on this thing too, but this is the structure of its body. And as it goes further, it shows the tissue and everything, because it's mummified, so you can see, like, ligaments and tissue. And when you... So, these are, there's a bunch of different scans that they did, and one of them, the being was pregnant. But, like, look, it has a spinal column. It has... All the joints are in order, but they're different than our joints.

    15. TS

      And it's in that area? It was-

    16. JR

      Yes, this was all in Peru. Um, and it's all in the state... Like, look at this. It has a fucking metallic golden implant in its forehead.

    17. TS

      (laughs) Jesus.

    18. JR

      And look at the size of its head.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, it looks like a gray, right?

    21. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    22. JR

      See if you can get some of those images that show the, the CT scans of the tissue, because the CT scans of the tissue are the weird... It al- also... There it is. So, it also has fingerprints, which are weird. Like, look at that. It has fucking fingerprints, but they're different than ours.

    23. TS

      It's three digits. Yeah.

    24. JR

      And three digits.

    25. TS

      What the fuck?

    26. JR

      Unique fingerprints. They don't know what this is, but my friend Jesse Michaels went down there and saw them in person. He said it was unreal. He said it's really fucking bizarre.

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