CHAPTERS
- 0:02 – 2:08
Trout fishing tactics and why fly fishing is its own skill set
Joe and Terry start by swapping fishing stories—rainbow and brown trout, drifting through fast water, and the nuances of using a fly rod with a bobber setup. Terry contrasts productive trips with tougher mid-summer fly fishing and they joke about keeping good locations secret.
- •Using a fly rod with a bobber and tiny fly/bug presentation
- •Reading moving water: pools, seams, and where trout hold
- •Comparing catch rates between different seasons and methods
- •Big rainbow trout sizes and why certain trips are special
- 2:08 – 4:26
‘Baby Jesus’ on the boat: superstition, faith, and a sudden hot streak
Terry tells a comedic story about carrying a small Jesus figure and how placing it on the cooler seemed to trigger a rapid run of big trout catches. The bit expands into playful debate about when it’s appropriate to ‘ask for help,’ and Terry mentions working with Jeff Dye.
- •Terry’s pocket ‘Baby Jesus’ and the six-fish-in-a-row moment
- •Guide’s reaction and Terry gifting the figure to him afterward
- •Joe’s take: don’t overuse ‘miracle’ help for everyday fishing
- •Quick detour: Terry’s connection to comedian Jeff Dye
- 4:26 – 14:15
Bradshaw Bourbon: tasting, proof levels, aging, and bourbon history trivia
The conversation shifts to Terry’s bourbon line—different ages, proof levels, and what wins awards. They pour the 12-year, talk limited remaining cases, and riff on bourbon’s American identity and early bourbon lore (including Elijah Craig).
- •Bradshaw Bourbon lineup (younger expressions vs the 12-year)
- •High proof discussion and why some barrels come out stronger
- •Limited edition inventory and the long timeline of aging spirits
- •Bourbon history: Kentucky identity and the Elijah Craig origin claim
- 14:15 – 19:31
Cigars, marriage ‘concessions,’ and the elk trophy that got banished to the garage
With whiskey poured, they add cigars to the mix and joke about what they can’t do at home versus in the studio. Terry shares a story about a friend’s giant elk mount that his wife refused to let hang inside, sending it to the garage instead, followed by an ad break.
- •Cigar preferences, Cuban counterfeits, and the featured cigar brand
- •‘Man cave’ realities: why Joe’s studio has what his home can’t
- •Story: massive elk trophy rejected by spouse, moved to garage
- •DraftKings ad read interrupts the flow mid-conversation
- 19:31 – 22:44
Elk hunting realities: tags, ethics, snakes, and giant centipedes
Joe and Terry compare hunting experiences—Joe’s bowhunting passion versus Terry’s reluctance to shoot animals. They detour into killing snakes and disgust at massive centipedes (including Hawaii footage) before returning to broader views on hunting and nature.
- •Joe’s bowhunting approach and why it’s difficult but rewarding
- •Terry’s line: doesn’t hunt, but will kill snakes/centipedes
- •Hawaii giant centipede discussion and on-screen lookup
- •Respecting different attitudes toward harvesting animals
- 22:44 – 29:51
Raising ducks for fun, wild game misconceptions, and ‘don’t learn duck like YouTube football’
Terry explains he and his wife keep ducks, chickens, and guineas—only to lose many ducks to road crossings. They debate wild game taste, duck preparation failures at home, and Joe argues most ‘wild game is bad’ claims come down to cooking skill and technique.
- •Keeping ducks as pets and losing them to traffic
- •Wild game stigma vs reality (elk, buffalo, deer)
- •Duck cooking disaster: roux ‘looked like tar’
- •Joe’s analogy: learning duck cooking without fundamentals is like learning football from YouTube
- 29:51 – 32:16
Squirrel brain stories, prion disease, and parasites like the screw worm
Food talk gets more extreme: squirrel, brains, and what’s safe to eat. Joe warns about prion diseases, and they shift into animal-health concerns like the screw worm parasite spreading in the U.S.
- •Squirrel and brain-eating anecdotes from childhood
- •Prion disease risk and why brains are ‘sketchy’ to eat
- •Mad cow disease explanation and how it spread historically
- •New World screw worm as a serious parasite threat
- 32:16 – 38:12
Ivermectin, COVID narratives, and Terry’s own COVID timeline
Terry recounts getting criticized for comments about ivermectin, based on his experience using it as a cattle dewormer. Joe explains his public controversy, media framing, and why ivermectin has human medical uses; Terry shares how he tested positive at Fox, initially felt fine, then got very sick days later.
- •Terry’s ‘cattle medicine’ association and public backlash
- •Joe’s CNN controversy and claims about narrative/filters
- •Ivermectin’s history as a human anti-parasitic and broader debate
- •Terry’s COVID experience: testing, delayed symptom onset, and recovery
- 38:12 – 49:26
Pain, stem cells vs skepticism, PRP/Regenokine, and Terry’s cancer + arthritis history
They pivot to aging and injuries: Terry’s hip pain and injections lead to a debate about stem cells. Joe cites personal recovery and regenerative medicine examples, while Terry discusses bladder cancer, rare Merkel cell cancer, radiation limits, and managing rheumatoid arthritis without his prior meds.
- •Terry’s skepticism: repeated stem-cell visits suggest only temporary relief
- •Joe’s counterexample: rotator cuff tear healing after stem cells
- •PRP/Regenokine and other blood-based therapies
- •Terry’s health history: bladder cancer diagnosis story and Merkel cell rarity
- •Rheumatoid arthritis management constraints after radiation
- 49:26 – 52:16
Playing hurt in the ’70s: mystery injections, steroids era, and concussion ‘protocol’ back then
Terry and Joe compare modern sports medicine with the old days when players were routinely ‘shot up’ to stay on the field. Terry describes playing through torn obliques, unknown injections, and returning after being knocked out—contrasting today’s concussion protocols and UFC suspension rules.
- •Old-school football culture: ‘you’re going to play’
- •Halftime and pregame injections without clarity on what they were
- •Terry returning to play after being knocked out in a playoff game
- •Modern concussion evaluation vs historical norms
- 52:16 – 1:07:21
Steroids in sports, the MLB home run boom, and why athletes keep getting bigger
They broaden to performance enhancement across sports—Olympics, NFL, UFC testing, and baseball’s steroid-era spectacle. The discussion moves into how nutrition/training changed athlete size, including jaw-dropping examples of modern linemen and comparisons to 1970s rosters.
- •How PED use proliferates when there’s an advantage and weak testing
- •MLB steroid era: entertainment value vs integrity and Hall of Fame fallout
- •UFC testing evolution: commissions to USADA random testing
- •NFL size shift: 260-pound linemen then vs 370-pounders now
- •Trade-off between mass and athletic conditioning (gassers, endurance)
- 1:07:21 – 1:23:29
Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali’s mind games, and the Sonny Liston ‘gun’ clip fact-check
A run of boxing stories follows: Terry’s memorable Tyson encounter, Joe’s explanation of Tyson’s studious intelligence, and Terry’s mixed feelings about Ali’s showmanship (then vs now). They pull up a viral ‘Liston fired a gun’ clip, realize it’s dramatized footage, and pivot to Liston’s real menace and power.
- •Terry’s story: Tyson blocking an aisle to talk Johnny Unitas for an hour
- •Joe on Tyson as a historian of fighters and conquerors
- •Ali as psychological warfare; shifting cultural views on showboating
- •Viral clip debunking: scene from a movie, not real Liston footage
- •Liston’s reputation, power, and why Ali’s upset wins were so shocking
- 1:23:29 – 1:56:08
Memory, ADD, Dunbar’s number, and the cost of being ‘too friendly’
They reflect on forgetfulness, attention, and social bandwidth—Terry’s past cognitive testing and Joe’s explanation of Dunbar’s number. Terry opens up about insecurity in friendships, wanting reciprocity, and how small misunderstandings can escalate—then shares a recent church incident where he rushed to apologize after unintentionally hurting a horse trainer’s feelings.
- •Terry’s memory worries and past clinic testing; ADD framing
- •Dunbar’s number: limits on stable social relationships
- •Terry’s sensitivity about always initiating friendships
- •Conflict patterns: apologies, forgiveness, and people who ‘like being wronged’
- •Church story: horse trainer relationship strained, then repaired via apology
- 1:56:08 – 2:18:48
Burglaries, getting shot at, gun culture, and training serious guard dogs
Terry recounts multiple break-ins, the fear of sensing intruders in the home, and even being shot at while running to his car. He explains why he now relies on trained German shepherds (and breeding plans) for protection, while Joe contrasts with his friendly, non-guard-dog breeds.
- •Six burglaries and the psychology of nighttime home intrusion
- •Shotgun incident and a chaotic getaway story
- •Why Terry avoids keeping guns accessible (and spouse’s rules)
- •Investing in trained protection dogs and breeding future guard dogs
- •Joe’s ‘too friendly’ dogs vs working ‘soldier’ dogs
- 2:18:48 – 2:34:24
Corporate speaking: how Terry built a 40+ year keynote career (and why he improvises)
Terry details how a taped early speech led to speaker bureaus, exclusive representation, and rapidly rising speaking fees. He explains his method—no written script, adaptable themes, heavy humor—and why crowd-reading matters, including a story where an event prematurely escorted him off stage for not understanding his style.
- •First big paid speech (Frito-Lay), VHS tape marketing, and bureau outreach
- •Signing with Washington Speakers Bureau and scaling demand/pricing
- •Improvisational planning: ‘I write it here’ and adapt in real time
- •Theme-based structure inspired by Jay Leno’s approach
- •The risk of mismatched expectations: being pulled after 10 minutes
- 2:34:24 – 2:37:36
Wrap-up: where to find Bradshaw Bourbon and Terry’s philosophy on selling his own ‘juice’
They close by plugging TerryBradshawBourbon.com, discussing limited distribution and the slow economics of building a whiskey brand that must age. Terry emphasizes pride in creating the blend, the packaging choices, and his desire for products to stand on quality—not just celebrity—before they sign off (happy they avoided politics).
- •Where to buy: TerryBradshawBourbon.com and current state availability
- •Bourbon business realities: slow growth, aging constraints, crowded shelves
- •Creative ownership: developing the blend and designing the ‘Gunsmoke’ bottle vibe
- •Celebrity branding tension: wanting quality to speak for itself
- •Final reflections and friendly sign-off
