CHAPTERS
- 0:02 – 2:35
Knee recovery hacks: Voltaren, edibles, and pain management on the road
Joe and Joey open with Joey’s latest knee repair update and the improvised ways he managed swelling while traveling. They compare topical anti-inflammatories, post-surgery medication limits, and Joe’s go-to “weird but effective” recovery products.
- •Joey overdoes walking at Newark Airport and swells up mid-trip
- •Voltaren gel: what it is, how it’s used, and why it’s not for acute injuries
- •Post-surgery restrictions (Tylenol vs. ibuprofen)
- •Joe introduces DMSO as another pain/injury topical and gives Joey some
- 2:35 – 6:15
Old-school steroids, cadaver HGH, and Lyle Alzado’s cautionary tale
The conversation pivots to 1970s-era performance enhancement and the unknown risks athletes faced. Joe pulls up information on cadaver-derived HGH and they discuss Alzado’s claims about steroids, brain health, and long-term damage.
- •1970s steroid culture and questionable sourcing
- •Cadaver-derived HGH and prion disease risk (Creutzfeldt-Jakob)
- •Lyle Alzado’s late-life admissions and behavioral changes
- •Head trauma vs. drug use as overlapping causes of decline
- 6:15 – 7:16
Austin’s Cuban Uber drivers vs. Waymo robots (and why people don’t trust them)
Joey shares a chance encounter with Yoel Romero’s nephew as an Uber driver, sparking a tangent about Austin’s driver scene. That quickly turns into a riff on self-driving cars, robot driving behavior, and a bizarre Waymo story.
- •Joey’s Uber driver: Yoel Romero’s nephew, judo champion, Spanish conversation
- •Austin rideshare culture and the prevalence of Cuban drivers
- •Waymo/robotaxi annoyances: cutting people off and trust issues
- •Story: a Waymo passenger finds a homeless man in the backseat
- 7:16 – 10:24
Atlantic City chaos: dispensaries, yoked fans, and a homeless hustle
Joey recounts a weekend trip for his daughter’s tournament near Atlantic City and his ritual of visiting weed shops. Outside a dispensary, he gets recognized by fans—until a homeless man crashes the moment and hustles him for money.
- •Why Joey chose Harrah’s over Oceans to stay with other parents
- •NJ/AC dispensary scene and how “gray market” extras appear
- •Being recognized as “the guy from The Longest Yard” / Rogan guest
- •Homeless panhandling tactics and Joey’s embarrassment in front of fans
- 10:24 – 13:26
Why Vegas grew (and AC didn’t): mob money, Bugsy Siegel, and cash-era casinos
Joe and Joey contrast Atlantic City’s struggles with the historic rise of Las Vegas. They cover early mob involvement, cash logistics, Teamster loans, and the sheer insanity of moving millions before modern payment systems.
- •Vegas timing myths (atomic tests) vs. earlier origins
- •Bugsy Siegel’s role, overspending allegations, and assassination lore
- •Teamster/Jimmy Hoffa loan talk and “expenses never stopped”
- •Pre-credit card era: massive cash transfers with armed security
- 13:26 – 16:35
Legal weed economics: taxes, oversupply, and the ‘Wild West’ edible era
They dig into how governments tax cannabis, why consumers accept high rates, and how legalization created both revenue and market saturation. The tone shifts into nostalgia about inconsistent early edibles and the absence of warnings.
- •High cannabis taxes (CA and elsewhere) and why people tolerate them
- •Pandemic ‘essential’ status and extra costs for businesses
- •Overbuilding dispensaries: massive competition and closures
- •Old edible inconsistency and lack of dosage labeling
- 16:35 – 22:38
THC and performance: panic attacks on planes, comedy flow states, and anxiety management
Joey explains why he still “takes chances” with strong edibles despite occasional panic. He argues THC can unlock a performance groove on stage, helps with auditions, and calms his baseline anxiety—while Joe describes knowing when to ‘stay on the trail.’
- •Stories of getting too high (plane anxiety) and then doubling down
- •THC as a creativity/relaxation tool for comedy and auditions
- •Joey returning to stage after a break and unexpectedly doing an hour
- •Daily anxiety patterns, routines, and using weed to downshift
- 22:38 – 31:45
Sports betting and fight odds: DraftKings, gambling everywhere, and UFC analysis
Joey and Joe shift to sports betting culture—especially how apps normalize gambling for young people. From there, Joe breaks down UFC matchup odds (Topuria vs. Gaethje, Pereira vs. Gane), discussing power, chaos styles, and why favorites can still lose.
- •DraftKings replaces bookies; gambling’s rapid expansion
- •Concern: betting marketed at college orientations and long-term social costs
- •Topuria’s streak and odds vs. Gaethje’s danger and upset potential
- •Pereira at heavyweight, Ciryl Gane’s movement, and matchup variables
- 31:45 – 37:30
Weight cutting, dehydration, and the brutality of old weigh-ins
They unpack how extreme cuts affect durability, brain hydration, and performance, with vivid weigh-in memories. Joe and Joey revisit notorious examples and how rules changed (like banning IV rehydration).
- •Not cutting weight is described as a massive competitive advantage
- •Dehydration and brain vulnerability within 24 hours of weigh-ins
- •Travis Lutter’s terrifying weigh-in before fighting Anderson Silva
- •Old vs. modern ceremonial weigh-ins and IV rule changes
- 37:30 – 50:09
Injury realities and the supplement stack: peptides, nootropics, creatine, and aging memory
The conversation turns into an extended health-and-supplements segment: nicotine pouches, nootropics, ketones, and creatine as ‘brain support.’ Joey shares concerns about memory decline, sleep needs, and how aging changes recovery demands.
- •Joe’s knee issues and why he stopped rolling/training
- •Nootropics and ketone drinks for focus; clean eating vs. carb fog
- •Joey’s recent memory lapses and the importance of 8 hours sleep + naps
- •Creatine dosing habits and debates about supplement “precursors”
- 50:09 – 1:02:41
Beating drug tests (badly): vinegar, Certo, Drano—and the probation saga
Joey tells a long, escalating story about trying to cheat urine tests in the late ’80s/early ’90s. The attempts get more absurd—culminating in damaging the testing machine—before he describes how he ultimately got off probation through a chance connection.
- •Folk remedies: iodine, vinegar, cranberry juice, Certo (fruit pectin)
- •Modern cheating: buying urine, Whizzinator devices, and extreme athlete stories
- •Drano incident: foaming sample, broken machine, threatened court action
- •Chance encounter with a district attorney (Bill Wise) ends probation
- 1:02:41 – 1:07:30
Boulder guilt and old crimes: chaos, shame, and the idea of making amends
Joey reflects on his wildest years in Boulder—scams, thefts, intimidation, and constant chaos—and how it still bothers him decades later. He describes lingering shame and considers returning to Boulder to apologize and donate as a form of closure.
- •Why Joey avoids Boulder: shame and the contrast with the city’s vibe
- •Retail scams (receipts/returns), thefts, and brazen public behavior
- •Extortion story fueled by a mistaken ‘witness relocation’ rumor
- •Idea: book Fox Theatre, “take the lumps,” and give back locally
- 1:07:30 – 1:24:14
What comedy built: broke beginnings, gratitude, helping others, and ‘karma business’
Joe and Joey talk about how stand-up enabled everything they have, despite starting with nothing and no safety net. They discuss persistence, the people who quit too early, the value of generosity, and how making someone’s day becomes a daily purpose.
- •Alternate-life hypotheticals: what they’d do without comedy
- •Early poverty: repossessions, scraping coins for food, survival mindset
- •Why helping other comics matters; generosity as mutually beneficial
- •Joey’s “karma business” philosophy and the joy of making people laugh
- 1:24:14 – 1:35:25
How Joey ‘found the switch’: being himself on stage, Mooney’s influence, and Brando’s cue-card trick
They analyze Joey’s transformation from doing rigid jokes to ‘hanging with the audience’ and storytelling. Paul Mooney’s relaxed mastery is cited as a model, and Joey connects it to acting—arguing that understanding intent beats memorizing lines, like Brando on The Godfather.
- •Joey’s stage breakthrough: stop clinging to material, start vibing
- •Paul Mooney as a template: calm, topical, and instantly sharp
- •Acting approach: focus on what the character means, not exact wording
- •Marlon Brando using cue cards to keep performances organic
- 1:35:25 – 1:52:19
Post-break: peeing, handicapped parking, PT discipline, MRSA scares, and new pain procedures
After a quick break, Joey returns with more knee-recovery detail: the joys of handicapped parking, what aggravates swelling, and why prehab/rehab matters. They also touch on hospital sanitation risks, nerve blocks/epidurals, and nerve ablation as a pain-management tool.
- •Handicapped placard perks and ‘doctor life’ convenience
- •What causes flare-ups: mitt work, footwork, heavy PT sessions
- •Prehab stack: peptides (BPC-157/TB-500), supplements, hyperbaric oxygen
- •MRSA concerns at a hospital, nerve block experiences, and radiofrequency ablation discussion
- 1:52:19 – 2:24:58
Mushrooms, stutters, and the next phase of life: psychedelics, allergies, and screen addiction
Joe and Joey trade stories about dramatic neurological changes linked to psychedelics, then broaden into public health and culture. They debate food allergies, the social media toxicity problem, and Joe’s theory that phone addiction is ‘training’ humanity for deeper tech integration.
- •Reports of psilocybin improving speech/memory; Paul Stamets’ stutter story
- •Legalization argument: taxation and controlled access vs. prohibition
- •Internet cruelty and harassment, especially toward women creators
- •Joe’s thesis: phones as the gateway to permanent tech integration + data centers
- 2:24:58 – 2:45:37
Cuba on the brink: oil cutoffs, possible invasion, and a return to casino-era economics
The final stretch turns geopolitical as they discuss Cuba’s resource crisis, US pressure, and rumors of imminent escalation. Joey connects history (mob-run Havana and the Las Vegas pipeline) to predictions about gambling returning if Cuba reopens, then they close with East Coast food nostalgia and plugs.
- •Venezuela oil cutoff, energy shortages, and worsening living conditions in Cuba
- •US indictment of Raul Castro and speculation about military action
- •Pre-revolution Havana: mob tourism, casinos, and the ‘Havana Nocturne’ book
- •Wrap-up: East Coast Italian food, Joey’s upcoming dates, and closing remarks
