JRE MMA Show #118 with Julianna Peña

1. 0:00 – 1:54

   NFTs, digital collectibles, and what fans actually want

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) It's dope, right?

   2. JPJulianna Peña0:14

      Yeah, it's pretty cool.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      It's ... I don't think that's technically an NFT. It's like a digital representation of the NFT. He gave me an NFT too, but you have to put that in, like, an NFT wallet, which ...

   4. JPJulianna Peña0:26

      I don't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Yep.

   6. JPJulianna Peña0:27

      Just roll with that, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Well, what does that mean? (door closes) Like, what is an NFT wallet? What is that-

   8. JPJulianna Peña0:31

      That's how you store it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Exactly, but what does that mean? (clears throat)

   10. JPJulianna Peña0:34

       I was right there with you when you were talking about, like, you have no idea what this stuff is, and it's really complicated and everything.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       It's w- it's weird that they're so valuable. That's what's weird.

   12. JPJulianna Peña0:43

       Well, and ... But I'm actually gonna, like, try to start one.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       You should.

   14. JPJulianna Peña0:47

       (laughs) Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       It seems like a scam-

   16. JPJulianna Peña0:49

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       ... that, like, people are willingly participating in, so, like, okay. But this guy, Beeple, like, he's an amazing artist. He does art every day. He puts a new piece of digital art out every day, and he's done it for 12 years.

   18. JPJulianna Peña1:02

       I saw it, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       And he's got a gallery that they're building of all these, these kind of things, like this Elon thing, of these j- giant digital artwork pieces-

   20. JPJulianna Peña1:12

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       ... where y- it's ... So that's, like, he's a different thing. Some people are just making NFTs of, like, a- an image of them, like, at the park or something like that, like-

   22. JPJulianna Peña1:21

       I, I'm trying to figure out, like, what I can give to, like, the super fans, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JPJulianna Peña1:25

       So, like, I'm like, "Do they want, like, an old, like, fight bra or something?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (laughs)

   26. JPJulianna Peña1:29

       Like, do they, do they want, like, tickets to the fight? Like, what do these guys want? Like, what do you mean, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       They definitely want a fight bra.

   28. JPJulianna Peña1:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Yeah.

   30. JPJulianna Peña1:36

       So I think I was gonna, like-
2. 1:54 – 3:47

   Processing the Nunes upset: shock, disbelief, and the moment it turned

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      So in the beginning, like, when I first met you, uh, today rather, when I ran into you-

   2. JPJulianna Peña1:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      Uh, f- first thing I was thinking was, like, "Are you still on cloud nine?" Like, what is this like?

   4. JPJulianna Peña2:03

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      Like, you, you, you know, uh, it was Matt, Sarah, and GSP that was, like, the biggest upset ever in the history of sport.

   6. JPJulianna Peña2:08

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      But this is, like ... I think this is there or bigger. It might be bigger.

   8. JPJulianna Peña2:14

      Yeah, I, I mean, I ... That wasn't my era. I'm in the new generation.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Yeah.

   10. JPJulianna Peña2:18

       This is my era, so of course, to me, it's, it's the biggest.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       But it was huge-

   12. JPJulianna Peña2:21

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       ... because Amanda was terrifying. Like, everybody was scared of her, and you were the one that wasn't scared of her.

   14. JPJulianna Peña2:28

       Yeah. No, you can't be. You're fighting, like ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       I know, but it's still, it's like ... It's ... The way you did it-

   16. JPJulianna Peña2:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       ... was so wild. Like, while it was happe- ... Like, D- (laughs) D-C, DC sent me a text-

   18. JPJulianna Peña2:41

       Why are you laughing? 'Cause you, uh, were counting me out the whole time?

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       No, I'm laughing 'cause DC sent me a text-

   20. JPJulianna Peña2:45

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       ... and in the video ... Look at you, you're very s- ... Very excited.

   22. JPJulianna Peña2:49

       I'm ready. I'm-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Very ready.

   24. JPJulianna Peña2:50

       I'm freaking ready.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       DC sent me a text, and, uh, it was a video of me and him doing commentary on your fight. He goes ... Bro, he goes, "Listen to us. We're just making weird noises."

   26. JPJulianna Peña2:58

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       (laughs) 'Cause during the fight, he's like, "Ah! Ah! Ah!"

   28. JPJulianna Peña3:00

       I know. Hes- he's screaming like a little girl.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       It was wild.

   30. JPJulianna Peña3:03

       Yeah.
3. 3:47 – 6:10

   Game plan and mindset: “meet fire with fire” and ‘drown her’

   1. JPJulianna Peña3:47

      Yes. Well, there's, there's two things. First is, um, there's styles. We've already talked about that. Styles makes fights. But I knew, stylistically, that I have the perfect, uh, style of fighting to beat her. And because there's ... For example, I'm not the type to run around the ring the whole time and do the point sparring thing and, and go to decision. It's like one of us is coming outta here, and that's it. That's just the way that my fighting style is. I'm the type where it's like, if there's a big puncher, the only way to meet that is m- meet fire with fire, and I have to stand in the pocket. So I'm not the type of person to run away f- ... In the fight. I'm the type of person to meet that fire head-on-

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      Right.

   3. JPJulianna Peña4:19

      ... and match it with my own fire. And I knew that that was how I was going to win. And so that's pretty much all I did, is just game plan that specific type of ... You're gonna be in the pocket. You're going to have to meet this fire, and you absolutely cannot shy away from it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      Well, you said it leading up to the fight, that you were gonna drown her.

   5. JPJulianna Peña4:38

      Yeah. I mean, I'd been calling for this fight for five years. Everyone's like, "This girl's talking all this crap, you know. She's this and she's that," and getting upset at me, but, like, but I'd been calling for this fight since I won, uh, Cat Zingano at UFC 200.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:50

      Mm.

   7. JPJulianna Peña4:51

      She beat Miesha that night. I beat Cat. Cat had just recently beat her, and in the press conference, Amanda's saying, uh, that I'm next, and then Ronda got to cut the line, and, you know, Ronda had just gotten knocked out by Holly Holm, and instead of her, you know, having to fight somebody else, she got an immediate title shot, and she got to cut the line, and I was like, "That was my fight. I, I ... She s- ... The champ said that I was next."

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:11

      Right.

   9. JPJulianna Peña5:11

      And so Ronda came in, she got knocked out, and then I g- ... You know, I got put to the back of the line again, but I was constantly saying ... Even when Ronda was champ and I won The Ultimate Fighter, I kept saying, "I wanna fight Ronda. I wanna fight Ronda." And they wouldn't, they wouldn't give me that fight.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       But the fact that she knocked out Ronda helped your fight. It really did, when you finally got her-

   11. JPJulianna Peña5:30

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       ... 'cause she's a legend by then.

   13. JPJulianna Peña5:32

       True.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       'Cause before then, she was super dangerous. Everybody was, uh, very aware that Amanda was, like, super fucking dangerous-

   15. JPJulianna Peña5:39

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       ... and a, a vicious knockout artist-

   17. JPJulianna Peña5:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       ... but beating Ronda the way she did put her on the world map.

   19. JPJulianna Peña5:44

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       When she knocked her out in 48 seconds, everybody was like, "Holy fuck."

   21. JPJulianna Peña5:48

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       You know? And your, your fight with her was bigger because of all the delays. Like, it ... Because she'd achieved this GOAT status.

   23. JPJulianna Peña5:58

       Six years, I think-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       Yeah.

   25. JPJulianna Peña5:59

       ... that she's been unbeaten, just knocking, knocking people out for, like, the last six years, so ...

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       The fact that she knocked out Cyborg like that too.

   27. JPJulianna Peña6:06

       Incredible, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       And then you just stood right in the fucking pocket.

4. 6:10 – 9:12

   The emotional cost of fighting: family stress, guilt, and investment

   1. JPJulianna Peña6:10

      Yeah. (laughs) I know. A- and that's great, is if I can get people emotionally invested in me, whether it's in my successes or in my losses, whatever it is, as long as you're watching and as long as you're, you know, gripping your seat at the end of your seat and, and freaking out, I want to invoke that emotion in people. And that's why I love fighting, I think, is because, you know, whether you're invested in the loss or the success, you're, you're watching and you're, like, feeling some type of way and your heart's, you know, going through your throat. And, and to get that reaction from people and to see the, you know, um, outpour of people reaching out to me and how I made them feel, it was like, it almost made me feel guilty in a sense. I'm like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      (laughs) Really?

   3. JPJulianna Peña6:46

      Yeah. My dad lost 15 pounds, like, this guy's throwing up, you know? People are like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      (laughs)

   5. JPJulianna Peña6:50

      ... putting, you know, the, this guy's, like, putting, um, you know, pissed off that they lost all this money, you know? And then there's people that are like super happy, but, like, the emotions of, like, people close to me is ... seeing how much I put them through, I'm like, "I'm sorry I did that to you guys." You know? Like, it makes me feel bad, you know? I'm like, "Oh man, I'm, I'm really putting these people through the wringer." Like, I-

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      (laughs)

   7. JPJulianna Peña7:10

      ... I feel, I feel guilty, you know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      That's hilarious.

   9. JPJulianna Peña7:13

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Well listen, they're all invested now.

   11. JPJulianna Peña7:15

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       You know? After that fight, everybody's invested.

   13. JPJulianna Peña7:17

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       That was one of the best fights I've ever seen.

   15. JPJulianna Peña7:19

       Thank you.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       In terms of like, like what do you want out of a fight? You want to, you, you wanna be completely immersed in it. The world goes away and all you're thinking about is what's happening right in front of you. And because of your effort, because of what you accomplished that night, you changed the way people think about what's possible and not possible.

   17. JPJulianna Peña7:40

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       That's everything we want from a fight. Everything. You were the underdog, you came in, you were counted out by so many people, you fought the greatest of all time and you fucked her up.

   19. JPJulianna Peña7:50

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       And the way you did it, like, the whole world, the, everybody that watched that was like, "Holy shit." The world is a different place now.

   21. JPJulianna Peña7:58

       Yeah. It just goes to show you how strong the mind is and how, you know, it's gonna sound corny, but my mom always used to tell me, "You can do anything you set your mind to." And-

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       That's almost true.

   23. JPJulianna Peña8:09

       It, I mean-

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       You can't swim across the ocean.

   25. JPJulianna Peña8:10

       No, okay-

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:11

       You know? (laughs)

   27. JPJulianna Peña8:11

       ... so it, it's almost true, but I mean, you gotta be realistic-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Yes.

   29. JPJulianna Peña8:14

       ... obviously. And people were upset about me, like, "Oh yeah, you can't do this and you can't do that." Set some realistic standards for yourself.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:20

       Yeah.
5. 9:12 – 12:26

   Choosing the hard road + the catastrophic knee injury story

   1. JPJulianna Peña9:12

      Right. And, and I think that that's, um, probably the thing that's been hardest in my life is having to choose the easy route or go the tough route. And just-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JPJulianna Peña9:21

      ... me, by personality, I'm always gonna choose the harder road. It's almost like I know that I could go the easy route but that's just not in me, that's not who I am as a personality. It's like if everyone's going this way, I have to go the other way.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:35

      When you had that catastrophic knee injury, I mean, that was p- that was such an enormous setback. What ... How dark were those days? Like, how hard was that for you?

   5. JPJulianna Peña9:46

      It was, uh, very depressing. Talk about wanting to hide under a rock and, and never come out. And ...

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      How did it happen? What, what d- and explain the, the actual extent of the injury for people who don't know.

   7. JPJulianna Peña9:58

      I can tell you that I was, in that moment, very angry at the time. I was angry at my m- uh, the relationship that I was in at the time, and I went to the gym angry and ready to, like, mess something up. And the training partner that I was with couldn't take me down, and we were fighting for real. And, uh, and so at one point he was just hugging on my neck trying to take me down s- in desperation, and we ended up being, like, shoulder to shoulder and he's, like, pulling me from the neck this way, trying to pull me down. And, uh, my leg got stuck in the mat and it just completely caved and like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:35

      Sideways?

   9. JPJulianna Peña10:36

      Sideways. Sideways.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       Ugh.

   11. JPJulianna Peña10:37

       Yeah. I tore four out of five ligaments, and when I, uh, went to step down on the mat, my whole knee just, like, was-

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       (inhales)

   13. JPJulianna Peña10:43

       ... came out from underneath me. It was like one of those disgusting things-

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Oh.

   15. JPJulianna Peña10:46

       ... like, just flopping all over the place. So, you know, I made a mistake because on the way, uh, you know, I had just won The Ultimate Fighter and I was getting ready to, to go to my next fight, and I was g- getting ready to fight Jessica Andrade actually. And when my ... My first reaction was, "I'm out of the fight." And so I was on the way to the hospital, I was on my way to, you know, go, but I was screaming bloody murder, freaking out. And, uh, my coach was like, "Call, call Dana, tell him that you're out of the fight." And so I call Dana (laughs) as I'm on my way to the hospital crying, telling him about my knee, and that was the biggest mistake ever because he literally blew it up and was like, "She got mauled by a bear. Her training partners are jealous, they're trying to kill her." You know what I mean? You-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       He said that?

   17. JPJulianna Peña11:28

       Yeah. He told me, "Leave that gym now." Like, he made it a really big deal, and, and it just brought so much negative attention to my gym.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       Oh, that's unfortunate.

   19. JPJulianna Peña11:37

       It was unfortunate. It was.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       Well, Dana cares, but-

   21. JPJulianna Peña11:41

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       ... I think sometimes when you care, you get a little crazy.

   23. JPJulianna Peña11:44

       Yeah. Well, it just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Yeah. That sucks.

   25. JPJulianna Peña11:45

       ... it, it ended up making him hate my coach, and I mean, this is still the coach that I'm with for, for the last 13-

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Yeah.

   27. JPJulianna Peña11:51

       ... years, you know? So ...

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       Well, that sucks.

   29. JPJulianna Peña11:53

       It does.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       But training b- injuries are just, they're just a thing.
6. 12:26 – 15:20

   Chaos, performance, and the ‘fighters thrive in turmoil’ idea

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:26

      So was it because you think you, you've trained the way you did because you were in a bad headspace?

   2. JPJulianna Peña12:32

      Yeah. I was ... I had just recently saw something with my eyes that I perceived, you know-... y- girls are weird, you know, they overthink everything. So, I saw something, and I was like, "Oh, no." And then I went to the gym and-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      Angry.

   4. JPJulianna Peña12:44

      ... angry, angry.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:45

      Yeah.

   6. JPJulianna Peña12:46

      Like, just seething, seething angry.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:48

      It's so hard to just take that anger and, and put it aside, and just think rationally when you're training.

   8. JPJulianna Peña12:55

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:55

      You see guys, like, spar angry and then drop their hands and, and swing wild, and it's like, "God, the worst things happen when you do that."

   10. JPJulianna Peña13:04

       Well, and, um, I think that for some reason my coach has it in m- my mind or even other people's minds, not so much my mind, but he'll tell other people that, like, sh- she fights better when she's mad. Like, she actually fights better when she has chaos in her life. Like, it's almost like the Tonya Harding type of situation-

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       (laughs)

   12. JPJulianna Peña13:19

       ... where it's like I'm not at my best unless I'm getting mentally beaten down. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Wow.

   14. JPJulianna Peña13:23

       But I don't think that. I think that's just his excuse because he's always created of so much chaos in my life.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       (laughs)

   16. JPJulianna Peña13:29

       And that's, like, what he wants to say. Like, you know, "We'll get in a fight-

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       That's funny.

   18. JPJulianna Peña13:32

       ... and I'll go choke the girl out, you know, right away in the first round."

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       That's hilarious.

   20. JPJulianna Peña13:35

       So, I think that's what he thinks, but I don't think that way.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       That's... Well, y- you need to be invested in the fight, but to be that worked up... I mean, it's li- it's weird, it's like so many fighters have had some of their best performances while their life's in chaos. Like Tyson, when he was in his prime, like, his life was full chaos. He had syphilis when he knocked out Michael Spinks.

   22. JPJulianna Peña13:55

       Yeah. (laughs) And I-

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Is that what he had or gonorrhea? I think he had gonorrhea.

   24. JPJulianna Peña14:00

       I- (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       Not syphilis.

   26. JPJulianna Peña14:01

       Either way, it e- a walking STD.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       The clap. Which one's, which one's the clap? Gonorrhea, right? Yeah. That's it.

   28. JPJulianna Peña14:08

       I, I don't... Well, he wa- he-

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       Either way.

   30. JPJulianna Peña14:09

       ... he knocked him out when he was walking with an STD, yeah.
7. 15:20 – 19:02

   What’s next: rematch plans, TUF coaching, and selling a rivalry without theatrics

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      What is next? Do you think a rematch is next?

   2. JPJulianna Peña15:22

      Absolutely.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      Yeah?

   4. JPJulianna Peña15:23

      There's still naysayers out there.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      (laughs)

   6. JPJulianna Peña15:24

      There's still people that think it was a fluke.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      But I get you.

   8. JPJulianna Peña15:26

      There's still people that are harassing me.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      But you're still angry.

   10. JPJulianna Peña15:29

       There's still people that are, like, being like, "She's gonna kill you." You know, they, they were like, "Ten seconds and you're dead," you know. And so, I- I- I just- I would love nothing more than to, to put the naysayers to bed f- for one last time.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Oh, yeah.

   12. JPJulianna Peña15:42

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Now, have you guys started discussing when and if that can happen?

   14. JPJulianna Peña15:47

       Yes. Um, and, you know, in my mind, in a perfect world-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       July 4th.

   16. JPJulianna Peña15:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       July 4th, we're getting it.

   18. JPJulianna Peña15:52

       Right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Yes.

   20. JPJulianna Peña15:53

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yes.

   22. JPJulianna Peña15:53

       Let's do it. Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Yes.

   24. JPJulianna Peña15:55

       I'm t- I totally would love to fight in Vegas.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       It's the biggest card.

   26. JPJulianna Peña15:57

       Um, in my mind, uh, I would always want- I've always wanted to anyway since I was on The Ultimate Fighter, I would love to coach The Ultimate Fighter.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Oh.

   28. JPJulianna Peña16:05

       I just... You know, the last time that we were supposed to coach before this fight, she, she decided not to do it, and, and so I'm just trying to coax her into doing it, you know. Like, "Come on, let's coach The Ultimate Fighter, and then we'll fight in July and it'll be perfect." You know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       That would be great.

   30. JPJulianna Peña16:18

       Yeah. So, that... In a perfect world, that's how it would be for me, but I would anticipate sometime in the summer for the rematch.
8. 19:02 – 25:52

   COVID, masks, monoclonals, and lifestyle-based health arguments

   1. JPJulianna Peña19:02

      They locked us down in Abu Dhabi. I went out there twice and I was like, "I'm in Abu Dhabi. I'm like in a... I wanna go buy some gold." And they're like, "You, hotel room, that's it. Sorry, sweetheart."

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:11

      Yeah.

   3. JPJulianna Peña19:11

      I'm just like, "Ugh."

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:12

      You think that's different now, though? It seems like everything's kinda lightening up now. And you already have had COVID, so you-

   5. JPJulianna Peña19:16

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:16

      ... got the antibodies and everything.

   7. JPJulianna Peña19:18

      Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I, I mean, I... To me, I don't put on a mask unless somebody, like, asks me, and then I'm like, "That's over." Like, "Come on."

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:26

      CNN has said that they don't work.

   9. JPJulianna Peña19:28

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       CNN, on CNN, they said cloth masks don't work. So, unless you have, like, a fucking respirator or... What are those things called? Not a respirator. What are those N95s? What do they technically refer to them as? Like, is it a spec- specific kind of mask.

   11. JPJulianna Peña19:41

       I thought it was an N95.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Yeah, but they s- when they seal up to your face, they call them a, they call them a specific type of mask.

   13. JPJulianna Peña19:46

       Gas mask? I don't know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       (laughs)

   15. JPJulianna Peña19:47

       This is ridiculous. Like, I'm sick of this. I'm seriously so sick of it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:51

       When did you get COVID?

   17. JPJulianna Peña19:53

       I got it, uh, November of 2020.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Oh, you're an early adopter.

   19. JPJulianna Peña19:57

       Yeah, November 2020.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       How was it?

   21. JPJulianna Peña19:59

       Fine. I mean, I had, uh, the chills one night. It started with the headache, and I had a massive headache for two days. I couldn't understand what was going on. Um, and then, this-

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       Was this in a camp? Were you during camp?

   23. JPJulianna Peña20:11

       It was right after I lost to Jermaine Durandamon-

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       Hmm.

   25. JPJulianna Peña20:14

       ... in October of 2020. And, um, I had the chills day three. Um, it was, like, freezing. I had, like, sweatpants on, uh, everything, and, like, three blankets, and I was still, like, shivering cold.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       Hmm.

   27. JPJulianna Peña20:28

       Uh, I think day four or five, I lost taste and smell, and I had a very mild cough, and then it was, it was gone. And I quarantined 14 days, and I was fine after that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:37

       Did you get your sense of smell and taste back, Clark?

   29. JPJulianna Peña20:39

       Yeah, mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:40

       I have a friend who still has no sense of taste and no sense of smell for a year and a half.
9. 25:52 – 29:55

   Supplements and brain health: NSF-certified products and psilocybin microdosing

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:52

      Well, you were telling me that... You gave me a box of the supplements from this company that you use. What's it called again?

   2. JPJulianna Peña25:56

      It's called Designs for Sport.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:57

      And you've been u- you used those before they were a sponsor of yours?

   4. JPJulianna Peña26:00

      Yes, I did. Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:01

      Yeah.

   6. JPJulianna Peña26:01

      Uh, it's all NSF-certified, so if y- you know, if SATA comes knocking on your door, you're not gonna-

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:06

      (laughs)

   8. JPJulianna Peña26:06

      ... piss hot or anything like that. This is legit stuff. I was taking it before they sponsored me, um, and now it's just awesome that they are sponsoring me. Um, and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:14

      D- they have vitamins and-

   10. JPJulianna Peña26:16

       They have-

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:16

       ... protein-

   12. JPJulianna Peña26:17

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       ... and everything?

   14. JPJulianna Peña26:17

       Everything.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       Everything?

   16. JPJulianna Peña26:18

       Collagen. They have, uh... You know, um, there's a thing that not a lot of fighters know, I don't feel like, for brain injury, like, um, it's called GPC Liquid, and, like, if you get knocked out all the time, you should be taking this. Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       If you get knocked out all the time? (laughs)

   18. JPJulianna Peña26:33

       Yeah. I've never been knocked out, but I'm just-

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       (laughs)

   20. JPJulianna Peña26:35

       ... saying, like, it's, it's great to, for brain cushion. And then a-

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:38

       GPC Liquid?

   22. JPJulianna Peña26:39

       GPC Liquid, yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:40

       Does... Do you know what GPC stands for?

   24. JPJulianna Peña26:42

       No, I wish I did. I'm sorry. You know what's crazy, is that, like, I'm sponsored by them and I know their stuff is legit, but I just take it, you know what I mean? I just-

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       You're busy.

   26. JPJulianna Peña26:50

       Yeah, I'm busy, like, I just-

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:51

       You got a kid.

   28. JPJulianna Peña26:51

       Yeah, I just know that I need to be taking this stuff. All the stuff that it does, I don't know. I know I drink the hydration complex and the amino acids, you know, during and after practice and stuff. I know that I drink the collagen and the beef protein and make a little mocha in the morning with my coffee. Like, I, I take it 'cause I know that I need it and that it's good for you and I need to be supplementing. But, like, what the ins and outs of everything is, like, I don't... You're gonna have to do more research.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       Listen, it's hard enough to be a mom of a four-year-old.

   30. JPJulianna Peña27:14

       Yes.
10. 29:55 – 33:42

    Pacific Northwest roots vs. Chicago reality: weather, culture, and safety

    1. JRJoe Rogan29:55

       "Psilocybin services will be legalized in Washington State under new bill." So this is just three weeks ago. Okay, so that's what I was referring to. Um, so you were in Tacoma, right? That's where you're out of?

    2. JPJulianna Peña30:05

       No, Spokane.

    3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       Spokane, that's right.

    4. JPJulianna Peña30:06

       Spokane, Washington. Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan30:08

       Spokane is, uh... That's, like, towards the middle.

    6. JPJulianna Peña30:10

       So, uh, so there's a mountain range that separates the state of Washington. Seattle's on the coast and the ocean, and then Spokane's on the exact opposite side.

    7. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Spokane's better weather, right?

    8. JPJulianna Peña30:20

       Yeah, yeah, because of that mountain range.

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       Because it doesn't rain-

    10. JPJulianna Peña30:22

        Yeah, it rains-

    11. JRJoe Rogan30:22

        ... all the time.

    12. JPJulianna Peña30:22

        ... all the time in Seattle, and then it's, like, a really dry heat over in Spokane.

    13. JRJoe Rogan30:26

        That's better. I'll take that. That-

    14. JPJulianna Peña30:27

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan30:27

        ... rain's for the birds.

    16. JPJulianna Peña30:28

        Yeah, no. (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:29

        Fuck that.

    18. JPJulianna Peña30:29

        It's depressing.

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        It's so depressing.

    20. JPJulianna Peña30:30

        They need the psilocybin over there-

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:32

        (laughs)

    22. JPJulianna Peña30:32

        ... because they're so depressed because it rains all the time.

    23. JRJoe Rogan30:34

        Yeah, I remember when I was there. We... The... One of my escape-from-LA trips was, uh, Seattle, before the shit hit the fan with COVID.

    24. JPJulianna Peña30:41

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan30:41

        I was thinking of taking my family and moving to Seattle.

    26. JPJulianna Peña30:44

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan30:44

        And we looked around there, but I... (laughs) I had a buddy of mine who was a coach at 10th Planet in Portland, and we, we looked at Portland too, and he had moved up there-

    28. JPJulianna Peña30:53

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan30:53

        ... from LA. And I go, "You don't miss California at all?" He goes, "No, dude, man, it's fucking amazing up here."

    30. JPJulianna Peña30:57

        Yeah.
11. 33:42 – 44:00

    Training logistics and gym ecosystems: Chicago multi-gym grind vs. ATT/Sanford

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       What gym are you training out- out there?

    2. JPJulianna Peña33:43

       So I'd ... So that's also the flip side, right? Spokane, one-stop shop. Go to the garage, that's it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:48

       Yeah.

    4. JPJulianna Peña33:49

       Chicago, I'm constantly in my car all day long. I have, like, four different places that I gotta go to train.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:54

       Oh, wow.

    6. JPJulianna Peña33:55

       So it's not just one, it's not just one spot. It's like I get my boxing at Gregory Boxing and Muay Thai. I get my MMA, like straight wrestling and MMA at BFS, Valley Flow of Striking. I got my jujitsu with Luis Claudio at LCCT in Schaumburg. And then I do my strength and conditioning trainer with Alex Spanos at the Northwestern Football, uh, Facility.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:13

       Schaumburg's a hike, 'cause I used to do the improv out there.

    8. JPJulianna Peña34:16

       Absolutely it is. It takes me-

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       Especially with that traffic.

    10. JPJulianna Peña34:18

        Yeah. And even Evanston at the Northwestern Football team, that campus is far away. So I'm just constantly in my car all day long.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:24

        That's the benefit of a place like American Top Team.

    12. JPJulianna Peña34:27

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:27

        You know, what Dan Lambert did down there by dumping a ton of money into that-

    14. JPJulianna Peña34:30

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:30

        ... facility.

    16. JPJulianna Peña34:31

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        I mean, what an amazing opportunity. If you've got a place where you can go where everything is under one roof-

    18. JPJulianna Peña34:37

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:37

        God, that's huge.

    20. JPJulianna Peña34:38

        It is, and-

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:39

        Strength and conditioning, Muay Thai, MMA.

    22. JPJulianna Peña34:41

        And you only got to pay 1% over there.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:43

        That's it?

    24. JPJulianna Peña34:43

        That's it.

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:44

        1%?

    26. JPJulianna Peña34:45

        1%, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        That's when you're a rich fuck.

    28. JPJulianna Peña34:47

        But-

    29. JRJoe Rogan34:47

        Like, damn.

    30. JPJulianna Peña34:47

        ... is it that great, though? Their greatest ever of all time just left. You didn't see that?
12. 44:00 – 51:00

    Big fights, weight cuts, and making money: Kayla Harrison, UFC prestige, and contracts

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:00

       You ever thought about going up to 45 and challenging Amanda for her other title?

    2. JPJulianna Peña44:03

       (laughs) I've thought about it. We could do that dance. I mean, but everybody knows the 45 division's BS anyways. Like, what have they got there? Nothing.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:10

       Well, if Kayla Harrison comes over-

    4. JPJulianna Peña44:12

       She ain't coming over.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:13

       You don't think so?

    6. JPJulianna Peña44:13

       No. No. No.

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:14

       Why don't you think so? Well, they wanted her to come over if she-

    8. JPJulianna Peña44:16

       First off, can she even make 45? They're gonna have to, like, create another division for her at 55, I think, or 65, or whatever she fights at.

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:23

       I bet if someone like Mike Dolce got ahold of her-

    10. JPJulianna Peña44:26

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        ... and put her through. Like, maybe she works with him right now. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass.

    12. JPJulianna Peña44:30

        Yeah. No, you might. Not be.

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        George Lockhart.

    14. JPJulianna Peña44:32

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        You know, more-

    16. JPJulianna Peña44:32

        A nutritionist? I'm sure she could.

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:34

        Yeah, someone who's-

    18. JPJulianna Peña44:34

        It would be miserable, but of course, I'm sure she could.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:36

        Yeah. It would be miserable.

    20. JPJulianna Peña44:37

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:38

        But I mean, people accomplish wild shit when it comes to weight. I mean, how about Paulo Costa?

    22. JPJulianna Peña44:43

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:43

        How the fuck has that guy ever made 185 pounds?

    24. JPJulianna Peña44:45

        I have no idea, and I don't think he's made it since.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:47

        (laughs)

    26. JPJulianna Peña44:48

        Didn't he... Di- Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:49

        Yeah. Well, the last thing-

    28. JPJulianna Peña44:50

        Like, he just missed weight this last fight, right?

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:51

        I think Adesanya's fight took a real toll on him mentally.

    30. JPJulianna Peña44:54

        Oh, I'm sure.
13. 51:00 – 1:01:43

    Technical rewatch of Nunes finish: submissions, judging, and why Amanda faded

    1. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       It was weird to watch Amanda fold so quickly, like get her, get tired so quickly.

    2. JPJulianna Peña51:05

       Yeah. Yeah, she's-

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       That-

    4. JPJulianna Peña51:06

       She's never tapped before, ever.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:07

       Really?

    6. JPJulianna Peña51:08

       Never.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:08

       Wow.

    8. JPJulianna Peña51:08

       She's never tapped.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:10

       She tapped quick, too.

    10. JPJulianna Peña51:11

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:12

        Were you under the chin?

    12. JPJulianna Peña51:13

        Absolutely.

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:14

        Yeah.

    14. JPJulianna Peña51:14

        Yes.

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:14

        It's hard to tell from that, um, with that angle, 'cause you're smaller-

    16. JPJulianna Peña51:17

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:17

        ... than her.

    18. JPJulianna Peña51:17

        Yeah. No, my shoulder blade-

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        You didn't have your hooks in, though.

    20. JPJulianna Peña51:20

        No. No hooks, no problem. My, uh-

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        (laughs)

    22. JPJulianna Peña51:23

        My ... That's, like, the first thing that they teach you in jujitsu. Uh, well, at least that's where they do in, in, in the 509 in the garage. That's-

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:29

        Yeah.

    24. JPJulianna Peña51:29

        That's what they teach us at, up at Jiu-Jitsu. Um, back of the, back of the shoulder, right on the back of that brainstem there.

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:34

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JPJulianna Peña51:34

        Yeah, I was absolutely underneath the chin.

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        Yeah.

    28. JPJulianna Peña51:37

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:37

        It was, uh-

    30. JPJulianna Peña51:38

        They're like, "She quit." Like, quitting-
14. 1:01:43 – 1:06:46

    Origin story: late start, rapid rise, and women’s MMA growing pains

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       How many fights did you have outside the UFC before you came to the UFC?

    2. JPJulianna Peña1:01:46

       Like five.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       Five.

    4. JPJulianna Peña1:01:48

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       Wow, that is wild.

    6. JPJulianna Peña1:01:49

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       So your entire professional career, other than those five fights, have all been in the biggest organization?

    8. JPJulianna Peña1:01:55

       I think five. I'm not-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:56

       Something like that. Something that range.

    10. JPJulianna Peña1:01:57

        Uh, yeah, yeah, very little. Um, I, I went, uh, pro after two amateur fights, and then I think I took like three pro fights, and then, and then that was, that was it.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

        How old were you when you first started martial arts training?

    12. JPJulianna Peña1:02:08

        19 years old. I threw my first punch at 19.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

        Wow.

    14. JPJulianna Peña1:02:09

        Well, I threw my first official punch at ni- at 19 years old.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

        (laughs) And what, what style was that?

    16. JPJulianna Peña1:02:15

        It was a woman's cardio kickboxing class.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

        (laughs)

    18. JPJulianna Peña1:02:18

        I ... And- and this is the god's honest truth. Everyone's like, "How'd you get your start?" I was like, "Uh, I'll just be honest with you. I was fat, I was overweight, and I needed to lose some weight." And my sister didn't wanna go to the class by herself, and so she invited me and I wasn't doing anything so I was like... I mean, I was working obviously, um, and at that time I- I was a know-it-all. I was ... Moved out at 17, like, "Can't tell me nothing, mom and dad." And then (laughs) and then I was a- a bowling alley server at nighttime and I worked in the casino alley, so I would start my shift at 10 o'clock at night and get off at, like, 6 o'clock in the morning.

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