JRE MMA Show #126 with Eryk Anders

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. EAEryk Anders0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) First of all, how the fuck do you make 185 pounds?

   3. EAEryk Anders0:15

      I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      How is that even possible?

   5. EAEryk Anders0:16

      Diet and exercise.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      But you're so big. What do you walk around at?

   7. EAEryk Anders0:20

      Uh, about 230 right now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (imitates explosion) What is the process of you getting down to 185?

   9. EAEryk Anders0:26

      Yeah, I definitely can't do it, uh, on short notice. It takes like a whole eight weeks, uh, unless I, you know, have to kill myself.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (smacks lips) Geez.

   11. EAEryk Anders0:35

       Which ... And I used to do that. I'd just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why, after three minutes, like, "Dude, I'm fucking tired, dude."

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   13. EAEryk Anders0:43

       "Fuck, fuck."

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Well, how much of a, a p- performance impact does it have on you even if you, like, take off ... even if you have s- two solid months to prepare and lose the weight?

   15. EAEryk Anders0:52

       Yeah. I feel, I feel good. Uh, I don't think it has a performance issue. I know that some dudes, they cut weight, uh, they don't do it the right way, and I think it kinda like, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Makes them chancy.

   17. EAEryk Anders1:02

       ... makes them more fragile, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   19. EAEryk Anders1:04

       But I haven't had that experience.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       (sips) Mm. So for you, as long as they give you two months, you can do it, but how good does food taste after those two months?

   21. EAEryk Anders1:16

       Ah, dude, I ... Everything in my life is extreme.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       (laughs)

   23. EAEryk Anders1:18

       Like if I'm not, if I'm like ... If I don't have a fight coming up, I'm a burger, cheeseburger, uh, pizza, beer kinda guy. Hardly drink water. But then when I am ... Don't eat anything green. Uh, but then when I am training for a fight, you know, it's just the exact opposite. Nothing but water. You know, I count my calories and ... yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Do you have like a meal prep company that-

   25. EAEryk Anders1:37

       Yeah, those uh, I think it's Icon Meals-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Mm-hmm.

   27. EAEryk Anders1:40

       ... that the UFC has.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       Yeah.

   29. EAEryk Anders1:42

       And it's awesome 'cause like each meal you can just like tell how ... It says like the macronutrients on there and how many calories, so I just wear like a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories I burn per workout, so I just go home. "Oh, that burnt 500. I can only eat 300."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       (exhales)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, the guy fake…

   1. EAEryk Anders15:00

      in the PFL? I forget who he was fighting, but the guy-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Oh, the guy fake tapped, right?

   3. EAEryk Anders15:06

      Yeah, and then he stopped and then-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      And they wound up losing by TKO.

   5. EAEryk Anders15:10

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      That's rough.

   7. EAEryk Anders15:10

      But I think it got ruled a contest at the end though.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      That's horrible though. That's horrible shit. You remember that happened in the UFC early on. It was, uh, Murilo Bustamante and Matt Lindland.

   9. EAEryk Anders15:23

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And Murilo Bustamante tapped him twice. He tapped him once with an arm bar, and Lindland said, "I didn't tap." And, uh, Big John McCarthy... This is like... The UFC in the early days, they were kind of like, "Oh, let's do it again."

   11. EAEryk Anders15:35

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       You know? There was a few of those.

   13. EAEryk Anders15:36

       Are you sure? You think? You know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah, this is a fight. So this is... Bustamante was a bad motherfucker back then. He was, uh, one of the very first jujitsu guys who was also like really dangerous with stand up. And he was one of Carlson Gracie's like top black belts, like really technical jujitsu guy. What's that? This- this video is not gonna show it, so I was gonna stop playing it. Oh, it's not gonna show this one? I don't think so. So he, uh, he got him down. Oh, this is the finish. Yeah. This is the final finish. He caught him in the guillotine. So the guillotine is how he finished him. See, so this is tapping and that, you know, amazed that he didn't hold onto it, because Lindland had fake tapped earlier. So that's the third round. So he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar, and then tapped him in the third round with the guillotine.

   15. EAEryk Anders16:22

       Oh. How he fucked that up. Yeah, I went to a fight in, uh, Macon, Georgia, like, uh, just like a local promotion, and this kid had the other guy in the guillotine and he did look like he was asleep. So the ref stops the fight and the guy's going, "Hey, what the fuck?" And he started them again, like from the stand up. Like, "You go to your corner, you go to your corner." And starting (exhales) got out of it like, "Man, fuck that, dude. He tapped."

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Yeah.

   17. EAEryk Anders16:44

       They said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       Huh.

   19. EAEryk Anders16:49

       I'm like, "No, dude. At least you have to give me my position back."

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       Yeah, give me the neck again.

   21. EAEryk Anders16:53

       Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck?

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah.

   23. EAEryk Anders16:54

       You know, when I start, I- I earned that position.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Did you ever see Conan Silveira and Sakuraba?

   25. EAEryk Anders17:00

       Uh-uh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Sakuraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single. So he's on like a low single and Big John, again, stops the fight. And, uh, Sakuraba's like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

   27. EAEryk Anders17:13

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       And then it's in Japan, so everybody started freaking out.

   29. EAEryk Anders17:16

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       And so they said, "Don't worry, we'll have them fight again." So later on in the night-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Isn't it hard to…

   1. EAEryk Anders30:00

      yeah, I think that just kind of completely eliminates your ego and kind of helps you get over that kind of stuff.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Isn't it hard to believe that it's real? Like, when you do it, you're like, "How can I get there that quick? How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there?"

   3. EAEryk Anders30:14

      Yeah, I did it, uh, like three times in one session, like a small, medium and, you know-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Blast off.

   5. EAEryk Anders30:21

      ... an astronomical (laughs) dose. And, uh, like the second one, that was like ... Man, I always hear people, like, astro. Like, "Oh," they're talking about astro projecting and this. I was like, "Whatever. I'm not sure if I believe that." But dude, that shit is real.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:34

      Yeah.

   7. EAEryk Anders30:35

      And the third time I did it, I laid down and dude, it's just like Star Wars, just light speed.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Yeah.

   9. EAEryk Anders30:41

      Oh, fuck. Actually, I was in, uh, Cejudo's backyard when I did it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Really?

   11. EAEryk Anders30:47

       And dude, he was like, uh, like, running around screaming. I was-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       (laughs)

   13. EAEryk Anders30:51

       ... doing forward rolls in his yard 'cause dude, I thought ... And I was like, "Dude, I just fucked up, dude. This is-"

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Yeah, I thought that too.

   15. EAEryk Anders30:58

       I'm dead.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       I thought I was dead too. Yeah.

   17. EAEryk Anders30:59

       (laughs) I was like, "Fuck!"

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yeah.

   19. EAEryk Anders31:00

       So even if you kind of like resist, so you're like, "Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck." So, uh, and I was like running around his backyard, like screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       (laughs)

   21. EAEryk Anders31:10

       Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was and I had like grass stains all over my hands and my clothes and stuff. And, uh, they were like, "Dude, are you okay?" But, dude, it was like nirvana. I was like, "Dude, don't touch me. Just fucking-"

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       (laughs)

   23. EAEryk Anders31:25

       "Let me enjoy this moment, dude." I fucking face in nice cold grass, w- watching the grass grow. I was like, "Fuck, dude. Just give me a second. Let me, let me take this in."

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       It's a reset, right?

   25. EAEryk Anders31:37

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       It just changes what you think about life and reality, just like (snaps fingers) like that.

   27. EAEryk Anders31:42

       And for me, like, you know, sometimes you have like a hard time admitting things to yourself, but I was like, "Dude, you know, after that, I don't, uh, I just don't think that's an issue anymore, you know?"

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       (laughs)

   29. EAEryk Anders31:53

       And, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Like what kind of things to yourself could you admit after that?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, then... Yeah. Um,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      like, you... It's, it's interesting to me the different kind of styles, right? Like, there's, uh, the guys that sprint and they can get guys out of there in the first round, and then there's guys that just, like, slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you, and then they come after you.

   2. EAEryk Anders45:15

      Yeah, then... Yeah. Um, (clicks tongue) I don't know. I like the brawlers. But there is something to, to be appreciated for, like, the technicians.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      Yeah.

   4. EAEryk Anders45:24

      Like the Adesanyas and, you know-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      Oh, yeah.

   6. EAEryk Anders45:27

      ... the McGregors and stuff like that. Uh, so...

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      It's a really interesting fight this weekend.

   8. EAEryk Anders45:33

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      And Jarrett Cannonier. Yeah, that is about as big as a 185-pound man gets.

   10. EAEryk Anders45:37

       Yeah. And I think he's, like, super deceptively long.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       Mm-hmm.

   12. EAEryk Anders45:41

       Like, he's short. I think he's only 5'8", 5'9", or 5'10", something like that. But, dude, he... I bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       I think he's bigger than that. I think Jarrett is... I think he's six feet tall. How, how tall is Cannonier? 5'9"? Really? Wow. I'm confused. I thought he... He used to be a heavyweight. That's why I'm thinking it 'cause, you know, Jarrett started off his career as a heavyweight.

   14. EAEryk Anders46:04

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And then got down to 205 and then now at 185.

   16. EAEryk Anders46:07

       But look at his reach.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Oh, wow.

   18. EAEryk Anders46:08

       He's 5'9" with a 77 and a half reach. Uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Yeah, that is a long reach. The thing about Jarrett is, like, he's so fucking shredded and lean and strong. Like, that guy has serious power. Like, serious, serious power.

   20. EAEryk Anders46:24

       Yeah. Don't sleep.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       Yeah.

   22. EAEryk Anders46:26

       He's... But the... I think the problem is, is I don't think anybody controls the distance as good as Adesanya does.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       No, he's the most sophisticated striker that sport's ever seen, in my opinion. He sets shit up. He's reading you. He's probing you. You know when you really see it? The Paulo Costa fight 'cause Paulo Costa was just steamrolling everybody.

   24. EAEryk Anders46:45

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       Just come forward, steamroll, steamroll. And Izzy just picked him apart, just...

   26. EAEryk Anders46:50

       Yeah, from a distance.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       Yeah.

   28. EAEryk Anders46:52

       You know? I think the only person who, like... Not the only person who gave him trouble, but... Was, uh, Kelvin Gastelum.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Kelvin gave him some trouble.

   30. EAEryk Anders47:00

       Kind of, like, blitzed him a lot.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:40

   That's what I'm saying.…

   1. EAEryk Anders1:00:00

      throw at him?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      That's what I'm saying. Like-

   3. EAEryk Anders1:00:01

      Like damn.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      He's like-

   5. EAEryk Anders1:00:02

      Break the bank.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Bro, he's as heavy as you right now though. He's-

   7. EAEryk Anders1:00:04

      That's fine. Hey, baby.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      He, he's big.

   9. EAEryk Anders1:00:06

      Money's a motivator.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

       I know it. It's a motivator.

   11. EAEryk Anders1:00:08

       You throw a couple of Ms at him, he's like, "Shit, I'll get down." We can even do it at 70. It doesn't even matter.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       I don't know if he's motivated by money.

   13. EAEryk Anders1:00:14

       You don't think so?

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       I don't know. He's an interesting guy. I mean, to be as dominant as Khabib was for as long as he is and, you know, super religious. Guy drives a Toyota truck, you know, worth millions of dollars.

   15. EAEryk Anders1:00:26

       Everything got a price tag.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       I know. Everything does.

   17. EAEryk Anders1:00:28

       Everything's got a price tag.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       But I wonder, I wonder what that price tag is. Like what is it? Is it 50? Like what is it? Is it-

   19. EAEryk Anders1:00:36

       There's a number.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       What is the... What's the m- What's the sound? Like what's the number that has to come out before it's like the record skips?

   21. EAEryk Anders1:00:45

       I don't know. Yeah. Exactly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       What did you say? Say that again.

   23. EAEryk Anders1:00:48

       All right. Cool. How long did you say? When-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       $60 million.

   25. EAEryk Anders1:00:52

       Yeah, dude.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Yeah.

   27. EAEryk Anders1:00:53

       Anybody on planet Earth.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Yeah. I wonder, you know, 'cause there's, there's paydays that happen, you know, like when Pacquiao fought Floyd, you know, when Connor fought Floyd. Floyd's obviously been involved in most of the big, big, big, big paydays. But there's paydays that happen where you go, "Ooh."

   29. EAEryk Anders1:01:11

       Yeah. The, you know, he gets a lot of shit. People say he's not smart and like, "Dude, I don't-"

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Floyd?

Episode duration: 2:30:56