JRE MMA Show #126 with Eryk Anders

1. 0:00 – 6:22

   Extreme weight cuts: dropping from 230 to 185 without killing performance

   1. EAEryk Anders0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) First of all, how the fuck do you make 185 pounds?

   3. EAEryk Anders0:15

      I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      How is that even possible?

   5. EAEryk Anders0:16

      Diet and exercise.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      But you're so big. What do you walk around at?

   7. EAEryk Anders0:20

      Uh, about 230 right now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (imitates explosion) What is the process of you getting down to 185?

   9. EAEryk Anders0:26

      Yeah, I definitely can't do it, uh, on short notice. It takes like a whole eight weeks, uh, unless I, you know, have to kill myself.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (smacks lips) Geez.

   11. EAEryk Anders0:35

       Which ... And I used to do that. I'd just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why, after three minutes, like, "Dude, I'm fucking tired, dude."

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   13. EAEryk Anders0:43

       "Fuck, fuck."

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Well, how much of a, a p- performance impact does it have on you even if you, like, take off ... even if you have s- two solid months to prepare and lose the weight?

   15. EAEryk Anders0:52

       Yeah. I feel, I feel good. Uh, I don't think it has a performance issue. I know that some dudes, they cut weight, uh, they don't do it the right way, and I think it kinda like, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Makes them chancy.

   17. EAEryk Anders1:02

       ... makes them more fragile, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   19. EAEryk Anders1:04

       But I haven't had that experience.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       (sips) Mm. So for you, as long as they give you two months, you can do it, but how good does food taste after those two months?

   21. EAEryk Anders1:16

       Ah, dude, I ... Everything in my life is extreme.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       (laughs)

   23. EAEryk Anders1:18

       Like if I'm not, if I'm like ... If I don't have a fight coming up, I'm a burger, cheeseburger, uh, pizza, beer kinda guy. Hardly drink water. But then when I am ... Don't eat anything green. Uh, but then when I am training for a fight, you know, it's just the exact opposite. Nothing but water. You know, I count my calories and ... yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Do you have like a meal prep company that-

   25. EAEryk Anders1:37

       Yeah, those uh, I think it's Icon Meals-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Mm-hmm.

   27. EAEryk Anders1:40

       ... that the UFC has.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       Yeah.

   29. EAEryk Anders1:42

       And it's awesome 'cause like each meal you can just like tell how ... It says like the macronutrients on there and how many calories, so I just wear like a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories I burn per workout, so I just go home. "Oh, that burnt 500. I can only eat 300."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       (exhales)
2. 6:22 – 8:23

   From national champion to janitor: the brutal post-football reality check

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      So what was your transition from football into MMA? Like what, what motivated that?

   2. EAEryk Anders6:28

      Uh, well, uh, so we won the national championship my senior year. And so I think everybody knows that if you, even if you do make it to the NFL, probably not gonna be there for long. So I went, "Okay, so if the NFL thing doesn't work out, at least I can come back to Alabama. Somebody, an alumni will have a job for me." You know, uh, but that's not what happened. Um, so I, you know, I ended up being a janitor. I was cleaning apartments, cleaning factories, working with meth heads and-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      Whoa.

   4. EAEryk Anders6:58

      ... you know, drug addicts, like, with a water lance. Like this thing has, like, 2,000 pounds of pressure. Like it cut sheet metal.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      Really?

   6. EAEryk Anders7:04

      And you know, some dude's, like, nodding off, you know, fucking around. So it was dangerous, you know. So I just found myself being, like, mad frustrated that, you know, here I am living in the same town that just a year ago we won the national championship and I'm doing this kind of work. So you know, I was, you know, fighting all the time, drinking, abusing drugs, just kind of mad. And, uh, walking around my fists balled up all the time. I was like, so ... I went, "Man, eventually something's gonna happen to me. I'm gonna get shot." You know, just, you know, doing stupid stuff. And, uh, so I just walked into a gym, started training. Uh ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:40

      So you were about 21?

   8. EAEryk Anders7:42

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      21 when you first started training?

   10. EAEryk Anders7:44

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       No training prior at all?

   12. EAEryk Anders7:46

       Uh, no, like 24.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       Oh, really?

   14. EAEryk Anders7:48

       Yeah. 'Cause I, like, chased the dream, the football dream.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       Mm-hmm.

   16. EAEryk Anders7:50

       I went to, uh, Colorado, played arena ball and, you know, played in Canada for a little bit and, uh, you know, finally it was just like, "Dude, if it's not the NFL, then it's not worth it."

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       So what was, uh, holding you back from achieving your goals in the NFL?

   18. EAEryk Anders8:06

       Um, I just don't think I was big enough, fast enough, good enough. And you know, you always kind of, like, lie to yourself when you're young. You're just like, "Oh, fuck yeah, dude, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna play." And then, you know, you kind of get shit on and, you know, so you just walk around bitter until you find something else to do. At least that was my experience, anyways.

3. 8:23 – 10:37

   Getting humbled fast: first sparring with Walt Harris and learning to be a beginner again

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      And so was MMA a thought in your mind as a career or was it something you were just doing to blow off steam?

   2. EAEryk Anders8:30

      Uh, initially I just wanted ... I started doing jujitsu and I was like, "Oh, this is cool." You know, I can go, like, wrestle and, like, get it out, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      Mm-hmm.

   4. EAEryk Anders8:38

      And, uh, I want, wanted to see what it's like to, you know, throw punches and stuff. And so I walked into another gym and, uh, first day in there, the coach walks up to me. He's like, "Uh, can you fight?" And when y- any 24-year-old male and you ask them if they fight, it's like, "Fuck yeah, I can fight. Hell yeah." Uh, he's like, "All right, cool. Here are some gloves. Go fight that guy. Go spar with that guy." And it was fucking Walt Harris, who was already, uh, a professional fighter, been training, been boxing.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:10

      Heavyweight?

   6. EAEryk Anders9:11

      Big motherfucker, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      Yeah, Walt's big.

   8. EAEryk Anders9:13

      Like 260, 6'4". And, uh, he beat me up in the nicest way possible.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      (laughs)

   10. EAEryk Anders9:18

       Like, I knew, like, if he was being for real, I knew what would happen to me.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Well, that's nice of Walt.

   12. EAEryk Anders9:23

       Yeah. And, like, you know, I had, like, those big football muscles so I couldn't, you know, block anything down the middle, so I was just goosh, goosh, goosh, goosh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       (laughs)

   14. EAEryk Anders9:31

       And, uh, but dude, I fell in love with it. I was like, "Dude, it's gonna be fun to, like, suck at something and then learn how to do it."

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       Yeah.

   16. EAEryk Anders9:38

       "And then not suck." And you know, but I think that's, like, the biggest apprehension from other athletes coming into this 'cause who the fuck wants to be a white belt?

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       Right.

   18. EAEryk Anders9:46

       Again, you know, you're already an elite athlete or, you know, played at the pinnacle of the sport. Now you gotta go in there and take your licks again like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       Like a beginner.

   20. EAEryk Anders9:55

       Yeah. And so I think, uh, the ego kind of gets in the way of, you know, guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       Well, even, that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning MMA, like guys who are kickboxers, they don't like to-

   22. EAEryk Anders10:11

       Wrestle.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       ... wrestle or do jujitsu. They just want to learn how to get up. They just want to learn ... Th- that's a big common problem. So when they get in scrambles, they don't really know how to do anything offensively, so everything is defensive. Which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive, it's very, m- much more relaxing for them.

   24. EAEryk Anders10:30

       Yeah. And they know they don't have a wrist, so they can take more chances.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Exactly. Exactly.

   26. EAEryk Anders10:34

       "Oh, worst case scenario, he gets up. I'm not gonna get choked out by," or whatever.

4. 10:37 – 14:57

   Fans vs. fighters: “don’t play it safe” and the chaos of Prochazka vs. Teixeira

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      Yeah, it's like guys that surprise people, like Jiri Prochazka when Jiri just tapped out Glover. Like who the fuck saw that coming?

   2. EAEryk Anders10:44

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      You know?

   4. EAEryk Anders10:45

      I think exhaustion kind of plays into-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:47

      Oh, yeah.

   6. EAEryk Anders10:47

      ... you know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:48

      Fifth round.

   8. EAEryk Anders10:48

      ... the 25th minute.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:50

      Yeah.

   10. EAEryk Anders10:50

       Or the 24th and a half minute.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Yeah.

   12. EAEryk Anders10:52

       You know, it's like, "Fuck, dude, I'm tired." So (laughs) ...

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       And, you know, Glover is 42 years old.

   14. EAEryk Anders10:56

       Yeah, sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       Which ... And he almost won that fight. All he had to do was play it safe in the fifth round, he would have won that fight.

   16. EAEryk Anders11:01

       Yeah, but-

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       Yeah.

   18. EAEryk Anders11:02

       Of court- yet, like, it didn't work out for him, but as a fan-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       Oh, yeah.

   20. EAEryk Anders11:06

       ... I don't wanna see nobody play it safe, dude. Go for it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       Of course.

   22. EAEryk Anders11:08

       Fuck it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       Of course.

   24. EAEryk Anders11:09

       And that's just me-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       Yeah.

   26. EAEryk Anders11:09

       ... as a fan being-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Yeah.

   28. EAEryk Anders11:10

       ... selfish, but if he did that, I'd be like, you know ... ( mumbles)

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       Yeah, it's funny when people do play it safe, like Devin Haney's last fight. Like last round he played it safe and he even talked about it. Like, "I knew I had it in the bag, so I just took off the last round." I was like, "Ooh."

   30. EAEryk Anders11:25

       Don't say that out loud.
5. 14:57 – 19:07

   Tapping confusion and early-MMA officiating: fake taps, restarts, and chaos

   1. EAEryk Anders14:57

      Who did the, uh, Fabricio Werdum in the PFL? I forget who he was fighting, but the guy-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Oh, the guy fake tapped, right?

   3. EAEryk Anders15:06

      Yeah, and then he stopped and then-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      And they wound up losing by TKO.

   5. EAEryk Anders15:10

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      That's rough.

   7. EAEryk Anders15:10

      But I think it got ruled a contest at the end though.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      That's horrible though. That's horrible shit. You remember that happened in the UFC early on. It was, uh, Murilo Bustamante and Matt Lindland.

   9. EAEryk Anders15:23

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And Murilo Bustamante tapped him twice. He tapped him once with an arm bar, and Lindland said, "I didn't tap." And, uh, Big John McCarthy... This is like... The UFC in the early days, they were kind of like, "Oh, let's do it again."

   11. EAEryk Anders15:35

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       You know? There was a few of those.

   13. EAEryk Anders15:36

       Are you sure? You think? You know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah, this is a fight. So this is... Bustamante was a bad motherfucker back then. He was, uh, one of the very first jujitsu guys who was also like really dangerous with stand up. And he was one of Carlson Gracie's like top black belts, like really technical jujitsu guy. What's that? This- this video is not gonna show it, so I was gonna stop playing it. Oh, it's not gonna show this one? I don't think so. So he, uh, he got him down. Oh, this is the finish. Yeah. This is the final finish. He caught him in the guillotine. So the guillotine is how he finished him. See, so this is tapping and that, you know, amazed that he didn't hold onto it, because Lindland had fake tapped earlier. So that's the third round. So he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar, and then tapped him in the third round with the guillotine.

   15. EAEryk Anders16:22

       Oh. How he fucked that up. Yeah, I went to a fight in, uh, Macon, Georgia, like, uh, just like a local promotion, and this kid had the other guy in the guillotine and he did look like he was asleep. So the ref stops the fight and the guy's going, "Hey, what the fuck?" And he started them again, like from the stand up. Like, "You go to your corner, you go to your corner." And starting (exhales) got out of it like, "Man, fuck that, dude. He tapped."

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Yeah.

   17. EAEryk Anders16:44

       They said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       Huh.

   19. EAEryk Anders16:49

       I'm like, "No, dude. At least you have to give me my position back."

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       Yeah, give me the neck again.

   21. EAEryk Anders16:53

       Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck?

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah.

   23. EAEryk Anders16:54

       You know, when I start, I- I earned that position.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Did you ever see Conan Silveira and Sakuraba?

   25. EAEryk Anders17:00

       Uh-uh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Sakuraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single. So he's on like a low single and Big John, again, stops the fight. And, uh, Sakuraba's like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

   27. EAEryk Anders17:13

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       And then it's in Japan, so everybody started freaking out.

   29. EAEryk Anders17:16

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       And so they said, "Don't worry, we'll have them fight again." So later on in the night-
6. 19:07 – 20:45

   Planning the exit: “five fights left” and building wealth with real estate

   1. EAEryk Anders19:07

      I was training at Danaher's yesterday and I was talking to this kid from Louisville, Kentucky. And I was like, "Oh, how long have you been training?" "16 years." And I was like, "How old are you?" "24."

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:19

      Whoa.

   3. EAEryk Anders19:20

      And so I was like... "Dude, I've been training with Helio Seneca since I was six."

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:24

      (sighs)

   5. EAEryk Anders19:24

      And I'm like, "That's the difference in the game."

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:27

      Oh, yeah.

   7. EAEryk Anders19:27

      You know, when you learn something when you're six, six to 24 is different than 24 to-

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:34

      Yes.

   9. EAEryk Anders19:35

      ... you know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       How old are you now?

   11. EAEryk Anders19:37

       35.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       How long do you think you're going to be doing this?

   13. EAEryk Anders19:40

       Uh, I probably got five or less fights left.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       Five or less fights. What do you think you're gonna do when you stop?

   15. EAEryk Anders19:47

       Uh, I got a lot of things, uh, that I'm pivoting right now, kind of working my way... I know I'm in the twilight of, uh, my career, like it's no secret. And, uh, I started buying real estate. Got about 15 houses now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Oh, wow.

   17. EAEryk Anders20:02

       Yeah. So-

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Oh, nice.

   19. EAEryk Anders20:04

       Yeah. So a lot of people are always like bitching about like fighter pay and stuff, but I'm just like, "What are you doing with your money?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Right. Right.

   21. EAEryk Anders20:10

       You know? If you go to, uh, like some of these people's like Instagram, like who are bitching about fighter pay, go to their Instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       Yeah.

   23. EAEryk Anders20:19

       They have like five Frenchie dogs and these are like $5,000 to $8,000 dogs. Of course you're going to be broke.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       (laughs)

   25. EAEryk Anders20:24

       You know? So I just like put everything into real estate and, uh... So I don't even have to fight anymore.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       That's awesome.

   27. EAEryk Anders20:33

       You know, I do it 'cause I like it. I do it 'cause I like the, uh, competition. I like the training. I just like doing it. But whenever I'm ready, I can dip whenever I want to.

7. 20:45 – 22:32

   Toughness as a choice: leg kicks, knockdowns, and pain tolerance in real fights

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:45

      You're a tough motherfucker, man, because I've, I watched a lot of your fights and I've been a fan of your fights, your wins and your losses. But when you fought Khalil Roundtree and he was leg kicking the shit out of you and you didn't even flinch-

   2. EAEryk Anders20:56

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:57

      ... I was like, "Damn, you..." That was one of the most impressive, like in a losing performance, one of the most impressing, impressive displays of toughness.

   4. EAEryk Anders21:06

      Maybe I should play poker 'cause that shit was hurting.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:08

      (laughs)

   6. EAEryk Anders21:09

      You know, I had to go poker face.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      It had to be.

   8. EAEryk Anders21:11

      You know what I mean? I should...

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:12

      He kicked so fucking hard.

   10. EAEryk Anders21:14

       But yeah, I mean it hurt but it wasn't like dismantling.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:18

       Right.

   12. EAEryk Anders21:18

       You know, it's not like the... My leg wasn't compromised.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       Right.

   14. EAEryk Anders21:22

       It was just stinging and in, and in pain. So I just feel like, like toughness is like a decision sometimes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       Mm-hmm.

   16. EAEryk Anders21:29

       Like, okay, you feel pain but are you hurt? No. Okay. Um, and I also think that like just naturally I have a higher like pain threshold maybe-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       Mm-hmm.

   18. EAEryk Anders21:39

       ... than, than most people. So, uh, you know, that second round got pretty crazy. I think he dropped me like four times. And in the corner, the lady, the commission... the doctor or whatever is like, "Are you okay?" And I was like, "Dude, is she fucking... Is she watching this fight? Of course I'm not okay, dude. (laughs) Fuck."

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       (laughs)

   20. EAEryk Anders21:55

       So I tried to ignore her and she's like... I'm like, "Yeah, okay, I'm good."

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:58

       It's interesting how b- boxing has three knockdown rules in some, some fights and some commissions. Like I wonder if they've ever thought about instituting something like that in an MMA promotion.

   22. EAEryk Anders22:09

       Um, I don't know. I hope not, you know? 'Cause I would hate for the fight to get stopped, uh, you know, just for me-

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Right.

   24. EAEryk Anders22:17

       ... just 'cause, you know, I got dropped four times. It's not like I got up and I like, you know, didn't have my-

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Mm-hmm.

   26. EAEryk Anders22:22

       ... equilibrium or whatever.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Right.

   28. EAEryk Anders22:25

       Um, yeah, I got dropped but like as soon as I hit the ground I was like, "Oh shit, fuck, how'd I get here?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       (laughs)

   30. EAEryk Anders22:31

       You know? "Fuck. Fuck."

8. 22:32 – 30:05

   Built by brothers and bad decisions: wild first fights, no corners, and sketchy promotions

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:32

      Do you think some of that toughness comes from football? 'Cause you cannot play football at a high level without being tough.

   2. EAEryk Anders22:38

      Um, I think maybe kind of the, the way I grew up. You know, I'm five out of six.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:43

      Oh.

   4. EAEryk Anders22:43

      Yeah. And four boys, so-

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:45

      Brothers? Oh, that's it.

   6. EAEryk Anders22:46

      Yeah. So, you know, they used to fuck me up-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:47

      That's a recipe for bad motherfuckers.

   8. EAEryk Anders22:49

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:49

      Get a bunch of boys, let them grow up together, beating the shit out of each other.

   10. EAEryk Anders22:52

       And just for their entertainment too.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       (laughs)

   12. EAEryk Anders22:54

       Like I think my oldest brother, he'd be like, "Hmm, I'm bored. Hey, Eric, let's, uh, let's go climb this tree and jump out."

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:00

       Oh, wow.

   14. EAEryk Anders23:01

       And then he wouldn't jump. It would just be me.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       Oh, shit.

   16. EAEryk Anders23:03

       "Let's go get on the roof and jump," or, you know, whatever. I'd be like, "Okay, cool. Let's go, let's go."

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       Do they kind of take credit for you fighting now?

   18. EAEryk Anders23:11

       Um, they should.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       (laughs)

   20. EAEryk Anders23:13

       They should. But I've always been like a scrappy dude. Like I've always like, uh, enjoyed it, like wrestled, you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       Mm-hmm.

   22. EAEryk Anders23:19

       Fought a lot, you know, just being a boy growing up, you know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       But no training at all? No martial art-

   24. EAEryk Anders23:26

       Zero.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:26

       ... no karate, nothing?

   26. EAEryk Anders23:27

       JV level experience wrestling.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       Wow. So when you had your first fight, how long had you been training for?

   28. EAEryk Anders23:34

       A month.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:35

       A month?

   30. EAEryk Anders23:35

       And I fought twice.
9. 30:05 – 35:34

   Addiction, escape, and psychedelics: DMT, mushrooms, and confronting the ego

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Isn't it hard to believe that it's real? Like, when you do it, you're like, "How can I get there that quick? How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there?"

   2. EAEryk Anders30:14

      Yeah, I did it, uh, like three times in one session, like a small, medium and, you know-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Blast off.

   4. EAEryk Anders30:21

      ... an astronomical (laughs) dose. And, uh, like the second one, that was like ... Man, I always hear people, like, astro. Like, "Oh," they're talking about astro projecting and this. I was like, "Whatever. I'm not sure if I believe that." But dude, that shit is real.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:34

      Yeah.

   6. EAEryk Anders30:35

      And the third time I did it, I laid down and dude, it's just like Star Wars, just light speed.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Yeah.

   8. EAEryk Anders30:41

      Oh, fuck. Actually, I was in, uh, Cejudo's backyard when I did it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      Really?

   10. EAEryk Anders30:47

       And dude, he was like, uh, like, running around screaming. I was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       (laughs)

   12. EAEryk Anders30:51

       ... doing forward rolls in his yard 'cause dude, I thought ... And I was like, "Dude, I just fucked up, dude. This is-"

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Yeah, I thought that too.

   14. EAEryk Anders30:58

       I'm dead.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       I thought I was dead too. Yeah.

   16. EAEryk Anders30:59

       (laughs) I was like, "Fuck!"

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yeah.

   18. EAEryk Anders31:00

       So even if you kind of like resist, so you're like, "Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck." So, uh, and I was like running around his backyard, like screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       (laughs)

   20. EAEryk Anders31:10

       Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was and I had like grass stains all over my hands and my clothes and stuff. And, uh, they were like, "Dude, are you okay?" But, dude, it was like nirvana. I was like, "Dude, don't touch me. Just fucking-"

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       (laughs)

   22. EAEryk Anders31:25

       "Let me enjoy this moment, dude." I fucking face in nice cold grass, w- watching the grass grow. I was like, "Fuck, dude. Just give me a second. Let me, let me take this in."

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       It's a reset, right?

   24. EAEryk Anders31:37

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       It just changes what you think about life and reality, just like (snaps fingers) like that.

   26. EAEryk Anders31:42

       And for me, like, you know, sometimes you have like a hard time admitting things to yourself, but I was like, "Dude, you know, after that, I don't, uh, I just don't think that's an issue anymore, you know?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       (laughs)

   28. EAEryk Anders31:53

       And, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Like what kind of things to yourself could you admit after that?

   30. EAEryk Anders31:58

       Um, (sighs) like, uh, when I fought Thiago Santos, like my style of fighting was much different before than it was after. And, it's just 'cause, you know, a lot of people are like, "I want to take it to my limit." Well, I found my limit, uh, at, in that fight, and I never wanted to get to that place again. So, um-
10. 35:34 – 45:31

    Weed, flying, and fight-camp fatigue: paranoia, plane stories, and overtraining lessons

    1. EAEryk Anders35:34

       All the time. I live by naps. I can't sleep like f- more than four hours at a time.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       Really?

    3. EAEryk Anders35:39

       Or whatever. I can't. Even at night.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:41

       Always? Your whole life?

    5. EAEryk Anders35:42

       My whole life.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:43

       Really?

    7. EAEryk Anders35:43

       I just be walking around the house at like 3:00, 4:00 in the morning just (sniffs) -

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:47

       No shit. What do you do when that happens? Just fucking them up?

    9. EAEryk Anders35:52

       Yeah, yeah. Just chill. I used to like get up and go run or go work out, but then I'd like, uh, I found out that overtraining is a real thing.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:01

        Mm-hmm.

    11. EAEryk Anders36:01

        So I was like, "Dude, even if I can't sleep, it's probably better to just lay here and be still or, you know, watch TV, read a book, do something, than go out there and train, you know, or run."

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:12

        Have you overtrained before?

    13. EAEryk Anders36:14

        Yes.

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:14

        Yeah?

    15. EAEryk Anders36:15

        I've, like I made you... I trained, I think, I think I fought Marcus Perez my second fight, and dude, I trained my ass off. I was running, and then I'm warming up in the back and I'm talking about like three minutes into a mid-session, dude, I was fucking exhausted. I was like, (sighs) .

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:32

        Really?

    17. EAEryk Anders36:32

        "Dude, I'm fis- I'm gonna sit down." And my coach is like, "Oh, you gotta get moving." I was like, "I don't want to leave it in here, buddy. I'm a fucking..." I'm-

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:39

        Wow.

    19. EAEryk Anders36:39

        Just want to relax. But, dude, you know, I fought hard for three rounds, you know. Um, s-

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:45

        But you knew that you were not y- at your full potential.

    21. EAEryk Anders36:47

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:48

        Yeah.

    23. EAEryk Anders36:48

        Yeah, I was like, "Fuck, dude. If this shit gets hectic, it's gonna get... You go bad like really quick."

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:53

        It can happen.

    25. EAEryk Anders36:53

        I think that's like the most helpless thing is like when you're so tired, you can't defend yourself. And I-

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:57

        For sure.

    27. EAEryk Anders36:57

        ... did not want that to happen, but-

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:59

        For sure.

    29. EAEryk Anders36:59

        ... thankfully it went my way.

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:01

        ... yeah, that's the scariest thing for any fighter to, to be in that position, especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank.
11. 45:31 – 54:12

    UFC 276 preview: Adesanya vs. Cannonier, Strickland vs. Pereira, and a stacked card

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       It's a really interesting fight this weekend.

    2. EAEryk Anders45:33

       Okay.

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       And Jarrett Cannonier. Yeah, that is about as big as a 185-pound man gets.

    4. EAEryk Anders45:37

       Yeah. And I think he's, like, super deceptively long.

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       Mm-hmm.

    6. EAEryk Anders45:41

       Like, he's short. I think he's only 5'8", 5'9", or 5'10", something like that. But, dude, he... I bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       I think he's bigger than that. I think Jarrett is... I think he's six feet tall. How, how tall is Cannonier? 5'9"? Really? Wow. I'm confused. I thought he... He used to be a heavyweight. That's why I'm thinking it 'cause, you know, Jarrett started off his career as a heavyweight.

    8. EAEryk Anders46:04

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And then got down to 205 and then now at 185.

    10. EAEryk Anders46:07

        But look at his reach.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:08

        Oh, wow.

    12. EAEryk Anders46:08

        He's 5'9" with a 77 and a half reach. Uh-

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:11

        Yeah, that is a long reach. The thing about Jarrett is, like, he's so fucking shredded and lean and strong. Like, that guy has serious power. Like, serious, serious power.

    14. EAEryk Anders46:24

        Yeah. Don't sleep.

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:25

        Yeah.

    16. EAEryk Anders46:26

        He's... But the... I think the problem is, is I don't think anybody controls the distance as good as Adesanya does.

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:31

        No, he's the most sophisticated striker that sport's ever seen, in my opinion. He sets shit up. He's reading you. He's probing you. You know when you really see it? The Paulo Costa fight 'cause Paulo Costa was just steamrolling everybody.

    18. EAEryk Anders46:45

        Yeah, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:45

        Just come forward, steamroll, steamroll. And Izzy just picked him apart, just...

    20. EAEryk Anders46:50

        Yeah, from a distance.

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:52

        Yeah.

    22. EAEryk Anders46:52

        You know? I think the only person who, like... Not the only person who gave him trouble, but... Was, uh, Kelvin Gastelum.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        Kelvin gave him some trouble.

    24. EAEryk Anders47:00

        Kind of, like, blitzed him a lot.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:01

        Mm-hmm. Well, Kelvin... You know, especially then in that fight, you know, Kelvin has had some good fights and bad fights, but in that fight, Kelvin was at the top of his fucking game.

    26. EAEryk Anders47:11

        So... But I don't think, uh, Cannonier has that same, like, speed change up that-

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        That Kelvin does?

    28. EAEryk Anders47:18

        Yeah, Kelvin does, so...

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        Well, Kel- Well, Kelvin has, like, very smooth and efficient hands. Like, when Kelvin throws his hands in combination, he's... Like, the knockout of Bisping-

    30. EAEryk Anders47:28

        Yeah.
12. 54:12 – 1:03:50

    “Nerd assassins” and champions’ edges: jiu-jitsu levels, Oliveira’s resurgence, and mindset

    1. EAEryk Anders54:12

       That's the cool thing about, like, jujitsu and martial arts or whatever. Like, boxers, like, motherfuckers look like stragglers.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:17

       And arm bar, caught him with an arm bar. Oh, it was, um... You know who he, he beat? Jacare, he KO'd him with an up kick. I'm... That's what it is. I'm, uh... And he beat Melvin Manhoef with a triangle. Man, he's beat everybody. Dennis Kang, Jesus Christ.

    3. EAEryk Anders54:34

       Lombard.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:34

       He's beat everybody, man. He beat Lombard.

    5. EAEryk Anders54:37

       What's his record?

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:39

       Something preposterous.

    7. EAEryk Anders54:40

       He's like 49-8-2 or something like that.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:42

       Jesus Christ.

    9. EAEryk Anders54:42

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:43

        49 wins. (laughs) And Johnny Elbin.

    11. EAEryk Anders54:45

        28 knockouts. Douglas Lima.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:46

        So Austin Vanderford, John Stallter, Douglas Lima la- and Lyoto Machida. And he lost to Lovato and that was an interesting fight. He was complaining that he thought Lovato was on steroids. But that's just 'cause... When you get in... You clinch up with a guy like Lovato, multiple time world jujitsu champion-

    13. EAEryk Anders55:06

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:06

        ... your, your ego does not want you to believe that the guy's that strong.

    15. EAEryk Anders55:10

        Or that good that I grappled with-

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:12

        Yeah.

    17. EAEryk Anders55:12

        ... Lovato. That was that...This is like the... For him, he could kill me-

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:17

        (laughs)

    19. EAEryk Anders55:17

        ... if he wanted to. This is like nothing. And he, he was effortless.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:21

        Yeah.

    21. EAEryk Anders55:21

        Right? He was just kinda like floating around.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:23

        Mm-hmm.

    23. EAEryk Anders55:23

        And who else is like that is, uh, Gordon Ryan.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:26

        Oh, yeah.

    25. EAEryk Anders55:26

        And I was like, "Dude, this motherfucker's like mauling me right now and, and I'm trying."

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:29

        Yeah.

    27. EAEryk Anders55:30

        And he's just... (humming)

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:31

        Yeah. His heart rate barely goes up. Yep.

    29. EAEryk Anders55:34

        All right. It's time for you to tap now, buddy. He's fucking-

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:37

        I know.
13. 1:03:50 – 1:14:55

    Boxing discipline and durability: Four Kings, Hagler’s ‘War,’ and the science of taking shots

    1. EAEryk Anders1:03:50

       I don't know how people do that. Like, whenever I-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

       (laughs)

    3. EAEryk Anders1:03:53

       Whenever I train, I can do it for, like, a short period of time. When I'm not training, dude, I'm, or like getting ready for a fight in particular, like, yeah, I'll still, like, stay in shape but not fight in shape. But dude, I gotta have a, have a drink or, you know, eat bullshit. It's like, it's good for the soul, man.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:08

       (laughs)

    5. EAEryk Anders1:04:08

       You guys must not have souls.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:11

       Well, some of the greats agreed with you, like Roberto Duran. Roberto Duran, like, one of the greats-

    7. EAEryk Anders1:04:18

       Yeah, he blew up.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

       ... of all time. Uh, unnegotiable. No one will disagree. And Roberto got fat as fuck-

    9. EAEryk Anders1:04:25

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

        ... in between fights. That's how Sugar Ray got him the second time. He gave him a short amount of time to get ready and Roberto was really fat. He was, like, 190 pounds.

    11. EAEryk Anders1:04:33

        I feel like they made a movie, uh, about that.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:37

        Well, there's a documentary, The Four Kings. That's what it is, right? Isn't that the Showtime documentary? Isn't it called Four Kings? It's about Sugar Ray, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, and Marvin Hagler. It's phenomenal.

    13. EAEryk Anders1:04:51

        I'm gonna have to check that out.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:51

        If you are a boxing fan, it's phenomenal. Uh, 'cause those guys were just all going back and forth with each other. What's it? Is that what it's called, The Four Kings? I think it's that, what it is. It's a Showtime documentary. Yeah? Yeah. There's a book called Four King, The Kings is all it... Yeah. Oh, The Kings? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is? Yeah, yeah. Okay. But, um, it's about those guys. There it is, the kings. Fucking great. I can't recommend it enough. You wanna get excited about working out, watch that. Because in their primes, man, goddamn there were some fights. When, when, when Roberto Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal, holy shit. Holy shit. Marvin was always my favorite when I was a kid because I lived in Boston and he was-

    15. EAEryk Anders1:05:41

        Is she from Boston?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:42

        He was... Yeah, he's the... From, uh, Brockton. He was the man. He was the... I mean, th- that was the guy representing Boston on the, like, the, the world map of boxing.

    17. EAEryk Anders1:05:52

        Did he always live and train in-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

        Oh, yeah.

    19. EAEryk Anders1:05:54

        ... Boston?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

        He would go to the cape. There's, like, a famous story. We, we sti- we tried to find it, but I watched this thing when I was a kid. It was, like, a news story. And Marvin was training for Moustapha Hamcho and he was running on the beach and it was, like, freezing cold out and, uh, he was running in combat boots. He would run in combat boots. And he was screaming-

    21. EAEryk Anders1:06:14

        Those ankle weights? It would be-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:16

        Well, no. I just... I guess he just wanted to... He was like he was going to war, so he put these boots on.

    23. EAEryk Anders1:06:21

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:21

        He was running on the beach-

    25. EAEryk Anders1:06:22

        Getting them on, right?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:23

        ... in boots and he was screaming, "War."

    27. EAEryk Anders1:06:26

        Really?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:27

        (sighs) To this day, man. I was like, I don't know. I was like 16 or 17 and I was watching. I was like, "Fuck."

    29. EAEryk Anders1:06:34

        They filmed him doing it or he's watching it?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:36

        Yeah, he's li- running on the beach going, "War!"

Episode duration: 2:30:56