JRE MMA Show #139 with Bas Rutten

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) We're up. Mr. Rutten, good to see you, sir.

   3. BRBas Rutten0:15

      Been a while.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      It's been a while.

   5. BRBas Rutten0:17

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, it was exciting running into you out here-

   7. BRBas Rutten0:19

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... in Texas. You're a Texas resident.

   9. BRBas Rutten0:21

      Texas, I got a hat and everything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       (laughs)

   11. BRBas Rutten0:23

       I need a belt buckle.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Did you get a hat? (laughs)

   13. BRBas Rutten0:24

       (laughs) Oh, yeah, yeah. I got the boots-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs)

   15. BRBas Rutten0:27

       ... and I rode a longhorn for, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Good sh- (laughs)

   17. BRBas Rutten0:30

       ... in, where was it? In the, in this little village here somewhere, B- Banderas. Like a big, big freaking longhorn.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You got on one of those things?

   19. BRBas Rutten0:37

       Oh, I got one, yeah. I dro- rode one, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Did they let you ride him, or they try to buck you off?

   21. BRBas Rutten0:40

       He, no, he, he said this, this guy is, uh, hanging out with kids, like 6-year-olds.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Oh.

   23. BRBas Rutten0:44

       He's very, very calm, so.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   25. BRBas Rutten0:47

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Those longhorns are wild, huh? Longhorns are insane.

   27. BRBas Rutten0:49

       Dude, it's crazy, if you see it. Giant... Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah.

   29. BRBas Rutten0:53

       Yeah, everybody, the whole street will stop, like, again.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       When did you, uh, come out here?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Horrible. The way- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      one.

   2. BRBas Rutten15:00

      Horrible. The way-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      And that was also a guy much bigger than him too. Like Roger-

   4. BRBas Rutten15:04

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      ... fought 155 in the UFC and then he goes over. And in ONE, he's fighting these very big guys.

   6. BRBas Rutten15:10

      And he's already messed up.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      (clears throat) Mm-hmm.

   8. BRBas Rutten15:12

      He's falling literally on the ground for his balance.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      And then he got soccer kicked.

   10. BRBas Rutten15:16

       And then he got soccer kicked full... Yeah. That was scary.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Find, find that 'cause it was one of the worst KOs, you know. And Roger, man, what an interesting story that is. And kind of a sad story because he was very, very promising. He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

   12. BRBas Rutten15:29

       But here's the thing. There's the, the, the curse, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Hmm.

   14. BRBas Rutten15:31

       They always talk about the curse. The Sports Illustrated curse, the cover?

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Mike Tyson was on the cover of Sports Illustrated too, though. (laughs)

   16. BRBas Rutten15:37

       Okay. Forget about it. Check that. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Kid Dynamite.

   18. BRBas Rutten15:40

       Screw this. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       It's in my office at home.

   20. BRBas Rutten15:41

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       When he was 19.

   22. BRBas Rutten15:43

       Oh, okay. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       That, that curse don't mean shit. (laughs)

   24. BRBas Rutten15:46

       For, for, for him, (laughs) for him, it doesn't.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah.

   26. BRBas Rutten15:48

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Where's, I mean...

   28. BRBas Rutten15:49

       He's a special guy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah. But the Roger Huerta thing, what happened was he ran afou-... Some people were talking to him, or I don't know. He just... Him and the UFC didn't get along all of a sudden.

   30. BRBas Rutten16:00

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   We get, uh, Mike…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      But they do, and they think about it.

   2. BRBas Rutten30:02

      We get, uh, Mike Perry in the audience, uh, f- uh, uh, Andrei Arlovski was there also for the-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BRBas Rutten30:08

      ... for the Karate Combat thing. Mike Perry, that's one of those guys, if you're a promoter, grab that guy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      Oh, my God.

   6. BRBas Rutten30:14

      Great on the microphone, great interviews. He's, he's either gonna get knocked out or he's gonna knock somebody out.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Mm-hmm.

   8. BRBas Rutten30:20

      He will roll the dice. You know, he's the perfect guy for any organization.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      Well, what he's doing now in bare-knuckle fighting is amazing.

   10. BRBas Rutten30:28

       Yeah. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Knocking out Luke Perry like that, stopping him, you know, uh, s- beating up Michael Venom Page. Who saw that coming?

   12. BRBas Rutten30:35

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       He's just so fucking tough that there's something about the pain that comes with bare knuckle that just suits him.

   14. BRBas Rutten30:43

       It's a mental thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       100%.

   16. BRBas Rutten30:45

       I, I think also, we were talking about, uh, uh... Well, Louis Rocha actually was, uh, talking about this, the lightweight guy from Karate Combat. He said, "I'm gonna win this fight because I fought... I was been in a lot of street fights." He said, "I have a different mentality than his opponent, Bruno Souza." And he has a nice upbringing. He's a great fighter, but he doesn't have that little meanness in him at the moment- Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       ... when you need it.

   18. BRBas Rutten31:05

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       You know, the controlled aggression like, uh, Bruce Lee would talk about.

   20. BRBas Rutten31:08

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       I think that's a big thing as well.

   22. BRBas Rutten31:11

       It's certainly a big thing. Skill is everything, right? But then the mental aspect of it, sometimes trump skill if you could overcome those sk-... Those moments where the opponent is beating you.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       Yeah.

   24. BRBas Rutten31:24

       If you could just f- find your openings and then put it on them. Some people are great when they're the hammer and not so great when they're the nail.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       Yeah. Yeah, I was talking with George as well. It's what... Bringing your fans. First time my mom and dad are here f- watching me fight, I go, "Oh, I don't know if that's a good thing."

   26. BRBas Rutten31:41

       Mm-hmm.... could be really good.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       Children is what gets me.

   28. BRBas Rutten31:44

       Oh, the worst.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Yeah. Children, when you see people bring their children-

   30. BRBas Rutten31:47

       Ugh.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. BRBas Rutten45:00

      um, blessed-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Yeah.

   3. BRBas Rutten45:04

      ... but still become a freaking champ, like Tim Sylvia.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yes.

   5. BRBas Rutten45:08

      I mean, if you see him walk, his toes are inside a little bit. His motoric skills-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Chicken leg, yeah.

   7. BRBas Rutten45:12

      ... are not that great.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Yeah, pigeon-toed, yeah.

   9. BRBas Rutten45:14

      Freaking world champion.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       Yup.

   11. BRBas Rutten45:16

       And those guys are way harder to beat than a guy who is... It's easy for them because instead of... I, if I have to work for something two hours, and they have to work six hours for the same thing to, to get to that point, they don't wanna let that go. Those guys are the worst guys to fight. They're the toughest.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Hmm.

   13. BRBas Rutten45:31

       So, it always comes with something. And that's why it's, figured out in the middle. I know I have talent, but I'm not like a BJ Penn kind of talent.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Right.

   15. BRBas Rutten45:39

       You know, that is like exceptional, three years black belt, and then backing it up by beating-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Three years, wins the Mundials.

   17. BRBas Rutten45:48

       ... three years world champion. (laughs) That's right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Which is insane.

   19. BRBas Rutten45:49

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Imagine you meet a guy. You're like, "What are you doing?" "Oh, I'm gonna go take my first jujitsu class." "Oh, good luck with that." Then you meet him three years later.

   21. BRBas Rutten45:58

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       "What are you doing?" "Oh, I just won the world championships."

   23. BRBas Rutten46:00

       Yeah. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       "In what?"

   25. BRBas Rutten46:01

       In the black belt division.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       "In what?" (laughs) In jujitsu.

   27. BRBas Rutten46:03

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       What?

   29. BRBas Rutten46:04

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And what, what rank?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:50

   Right. …

   1. BRBas Rutten1:00:00

      like in a, in a karate gi, hit a hip. And it was before a fight. So I'm c- arriving at the, at the bankers, uh, for fighting, um, and, uh, the, the, the, the judge, who was, the judge was a really good freaking body mechanic guy. He, I mean, ev- ev- everybody from around the world would go to that guy to have him, uh, look at him. Because they w- he was just really good with, uh, with tai chi and whatever he did, uh, what is it? Acupressure, all that kinda stuff. And he went to me and he says, "Okay, uh, give me your hand." I relaxed it, and he pushed on three spots. I was like, "Ah, shit, shit, shit." He goes, "No, just..." And he wiped it out. He does it again. I go, "Okay." Tap, tap, tap. He says, "Okay, how is it now?" And I go like... (fists thudding) I go, do... It's com- completely gone. Like, zero pain. Not even a, a hint of it. And he just opened up the pain blockages that he said, that, uh, he was pressing. And he was on the money, man. He's t- go, go, "Ow, ow, ow." And the second time was already less, and the third time, he says, "That should be good now." I go, "Wow." That's so weird.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

      Right.

   3. BRBas Rutten1:01:00

      (taps chest) Nothing. Zero.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

      That's so weird.

   5. BRBas Rutten1:01:02

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

      What is it like now to rely on your left hand? 'Cause now you're thinking about, if you're gonna fuck somebody up, you're gonna left-hand them. You're not gonna throw a straight right anymore.

   7. BRBas Rutten1:01:10

      Well, no, no, no. My pr-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

      No problem?

   9. BRBas Rutten1:01:11

      My biceps, triceps still work.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Oh!

   11. BRBas Rutten1:01:13

       Oh, no.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       Okay.

   13. BRBas Rutten1:01:14

       I will knock you out. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       (laughs)

   15. BRBas Rutten1:01:17

       And my, and my uppercuts is gonna be make-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       So, the punch, the punches is still good? The uppercut-

   17. BRBas Rutten1:01:20

       Oh, yeah. The uppercuts more of an issue? The uppercuts a little less.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       Right.

   19. BRBas Rutten1:01:22

       Yeah, a little less because the shoulder-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       And the shoulder a little less.

   21. BRBas Rutten1:01:23

       ... but the shoulder also came back. Also the hook. You know, I, I tell people when I'm, I'm, I'm doing, uh, shadow boxing, I say, "Don't look at my right arm, because it's probably gonna be a little off."

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       Mm-hmm.

   23. BRBas Rutten1:01:31

       "Look at the left, what I'm doing." But no, my crosses are there, so thankfully my triceps came back.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Maybe in 12 more years-

   25. BRBas Rutten1:01:36

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       ... you got a full bicep.

   27. BRBas Rutten1:01:38

       I- i- who knows?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       Well, I mean, maybe less.

   29. BRBas Rutten1:01:40

       I don't even focus on it anymore.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       If, I mean, if they figure out some way to fix... I mean, it's just, like, the, the medical, uh, the advances that are happening are so magical.

Episode duration: 3:07:21