JRE MMA Show #139 with Bas Rutten

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) We're up. Mr. Rutten, good to see you, sir.

Bas Rutten 0:15 Been a while.

Joe Rogan 0:16 It's been a while.

Bas Rutten 0:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Yeah, it was exciting running into you out here-

Bas Rutten 0:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:20 ... in Texas. You're a Texas resident.

Bas Rutten 0:21 Texas, I got a hat and everything.

Joe Rogan 0:23 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 0:23 I need a belt buckle.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Did you get a hat? (laughs)

Bas Rutten 0:24 (laughs) Oh, yeah, yeah. I got the boots-

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 0:27 ... and I rode a longhorn for, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:30 Good sh- (laughs)

Bas Rutten 0:30 ... in, where was it? In the, in this little village here somewhere, B- Banderas. Like a big, big freaking longhorn.

Joe Rogan 0:36 You got on one of those things?

Bas Rutten 0:37 Oh, I got one, yeah. I dro- rode one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Did they let you ride him, or they try to buck you off?

Bas Rutten 0:40 He, no, he, he said this, this guy is, uh, hanging out with kids, like 6-year-olds.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Oh.

Bas Rutten 0:44 He's very, very calm, so.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 0:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Those longhorns are wild, huh? Longhorns are insane.

Bas Rutten 0:49 Dude, it's crazy, if you see it. Giant... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 0:53 Yeah, everybody, the whole street will stop, like, again.

Joe Rogan 0:55 When did you, uh, come out here?

Bas Rutten 0:57 July, uh, 4th, the 4th of July last year.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:00 Fireworks and everything. I was at the top building, we had an apartment for a year, so it was give us time, a year to find a home, which we did. So we're probably gonna move in next week. But the top building, it was the park, Landa Park, in the New Braunfels where they have the fireworks. I mean, that was, it was nice. They welcomed me on the 4th of July with the fireworks.

Joe Rogan 1:21 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21 That's nice.

Bas Rutten 1:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22 You finally get fed up with California, huh?

Bas Rutten 1:24 (clears throat) Yeah, doesn't everybody? That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:27 It's too much.

Joe Rogan 1:28 It's a fucking... I would've never imagined five years ago-

Bas Rutten 1:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... that there'd be this mass exodus.

Bas Rutten 1:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34 And that most of my friends would live out here now. It's crazy. So-

Bas Rutten 1:37 But also Ventura County, where I'm from, is like Orange County, still the laws are a little bit easier-

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:42 ... right? Than, than LA, LA. But, you know, once it starts getting there, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:47 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 1:47 ... my wife already said for six years, "Hey, we gotta go."

Joe Rogan 1:49 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:49 "This is gonna go wrong." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:52 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 1:52 Well, I, I was wanting, always wanting to get out, but I was so connected to The Comedy Store that I always felt like, "God, I can't leave that place behind."

Bas Rutten 2:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:01 You know? And, but then when the pandemic hit, it's like, "Well, I guess we're not even doing comedy anymore, so fuck it."

Bas Rutten 2:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 You know?

Bas Rutten 2:07 Do it here. And now you got one.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Yeah, now I got one. Crazy.

Bas Rutten 2:10 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Crazy.

Bas Rutten 2:12 Life has been crazy for you.

Joe Rogan 2:13 The whole thing is crazy. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 2:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14 So are you settling in out here? Are you enjoying it?

Bas Rutten 2:17 We're loving it. You know, the people, uh, every single person who comes to visit, you know, they, they're all, is a little bit, mm, preserved, you know, with the, the Texas mentality. But when they come off the plane is the first thing they say. Uh, until now, like eight out of eight, "People are so nice here."

Joe Rogan 2:34 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 2:34 It's the first thing they say.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 2:36 So I think, uh, they really love it. We ha- uh, we have a daughter, our, the middle daughter that I have, uh, she still lives in California. And she didn't really like Texas, but now she's been here, and the, and the fiancé, he, they were here last week. And I see it with him as well. He goes, "Well, it's, it's really nice here."

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 It's a, it's different. And it's, uh, it's also less people. The, the less people thing is gigantic. I don't think you can underestimate that enough.

Bas Rutten 3:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Because I think... Or overestimate that enough, because... Overstate that enough. I think that people get too used to too many people, and then they view, view people as a nuisance. And out here, that hasn't happened.

Bas Rutten 3:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Out here, when, p- people just, they're friendly. They're just friendly to people. It's nice.

Bas Rutten 3:17 But also, th- they're different as well.

Joe Rogan 3:19 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 3:19 You know, I think that, uh, it's-

Joe Rogan 3:20 Well, they're armed.

Bas Rutten 3:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:22 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 3:22 They'll help, right? You know?

Joe Rogan 3:24 It helps a lot.

Bas Rutten 3:25 It's like on a plane, everybody should get a little baseball bat, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:28 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 3:28 When they walk in, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:30 "I'm gonna hide you in the plane." Yeah.

Bas Rutten 3:31 Everybody got a-

Joe Rogan 3:32 Or a Taser.

Bas Rutten 3:32 ... really... Or a Taser.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Yeah, just so...

Bas Rutten 3:34 Yeah, but a Taser with me, and at the time, when I was... You know, okay, so a friend of mine, Holt McCallany, you know, from Mindhunter, that actor, he, uh, he gave me a Taser. So a- at, at my birthday, I open it up, I grab the Taser, I put the battery in, and I'm looking up, and not a single person is in the room.

Joe Rogan 3:54 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 3:54 Everybody ran out. You see?

Joe Rogan 3:56 (laughs) 'Cause they think you're gonna try it on-

Bas Rutten 3:58 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 3:59 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 3:59 Any person I see, I'm gonna try it. So I would do that on the plane as well. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:03 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 4:04 It's immediately... (laughs) Yeah. It's the funniest thing ever. I go, "Where is everybody?" Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Did you tase anybody yet?

Bas Rutten 4:10 No, no.

Joe Rogan 4:11 No one?

Bas Rutten 4:11 You know-

Joe Rogan 4:11 Not even yourself?

Bas Rutten 4:12 ... I still think they... I really, I wanna try it. I gotta go-

Joe Rogan 4:15 I would just jab my thigh one time, just to see what's up.

Bas Rutten 4:17 Oh, that I did. I didn't even own my hand.

Joe Rogan 4:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 4:20 You know? Yeah, no, that I did. But, um, I, I want to see if they, because they say it's impossible. I, and I, I might be full of myself. I think I can pull them out. But, you know-

Joe Rogan 4:29 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 4:29 ... I would love to try it.

Joe Rogan 4:30 Some people, some people can take it. I've watched videos.

Bas Rutten 4:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:33 There's some people that are on certain drugs that-

Bas Rutten 4:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 ... they just, they just pull those things right out of their body.

Bas Rutten 4:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:38 I saw one where, uh, the cops had to shoot the guy, 'cause they tased him, and the guy kept coming at them.

Bas Rutten 4:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 And then finally he's like, "Okay."

Bas Rutten 4:45 (clears throat) "You're going to die now."

Joe Rogan 4:47 "Bang, bang."

Bas Rutten 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Yeah. It was, uh, crazy though, because some people just stiffen up. "Eeh!"

Bas Rutten 4:52 Yeah, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 4:53 And they fall down. And this guy just fucking, "Aah! Aah!"

Bas Rutten 4:56 I think I can, mind over matter, but then again, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 4:59 I don't even know if it's mind over matter. I don't know. Maybe it was a weak Taser.

Bas Rutten 5:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:03 'Cause that's one of the things that a friend of mine told me, and it's actually in a book. It's one, in one of the Gray Men books, that those Ta- those Tasers are like, especially the personal ones that people have-

Bas Rutten 5:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:13 ... they, they o- vastly overestimate the stopping power of those things.

Bas Rutten 5:17 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:17 'Cause girls think, "I'm gonna get you with this Taser." Like...

Bas Rutten 5:20 (laughs) Like doo, doo, doo, yeah. But don't get the wrong person-

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 5:22 ... 'cause they might fuck you up even with that.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Yeah. Yeah, it-

Bas Rutten 5:25 It doesn't just debilitate people. No, if you have a Taser you can use 20 times, that's not a good thing. I'd rather have a Taser that you can use only once.

Joe Rogan 5:31 Right, like a bomb. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 5:31 You know, 'cause then the empy, the battery's drained out once-

Joe Rogan 5:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 5:35 ... so you know this thing is gonna work.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Exactly. Yeah, because batteries go dead on flashlights, right?

Bas Rutten 5:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:40 I'm sure they go dead on Tasers too.

Bas Rutten 5:41 (laughs) I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 5:42 People are running around with all this confidence.

Bas Rutten 5:44 A short, that's, uh, how you create freaking heat, right? So...

Joe Rogan 5:47 Yeah. There's nothing nu- nothing substitutes a nine millimeter.

Bas Rutten 5:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:50 That's, if you want personal protection, you want a s- a small, like a SIG P365.

Bas Rutten 5:55 Compact. Hellcats are very nice.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 5:58 You got the sh- Shield Smith & Wesson Shields.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Oh, yeah, the Shiel-

Bas Rutten 6:01 They're very nice. But they only hold like eight, one in the barrel. You know, and that's the extended mag, so...

Joe Rogan 6:05 Oh, you're out here now. I gotta get you a Staccato.

Bas Rutten 6:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Staccato has a CS. It's a very small, micro nine millimeter with, I think it has 15 in the cha-

Bas Rutten 6:14 Geez.

Joe Rogan 6:14 15 in the magazine and one in the chamber.

Bas Rutten 6:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:17 But it's so small. It just fits right in your hand.

Bas Rutten 6:20 I, I was doing this, uh, I interviewed a guy, uh, this thing on, on Planet Fit, uh, Planet Boss, it's called, it's called, uh, it's on, uh, F- Muscle & Fitness. It's a show. So I interviewed a guy at the shooting range here, McQueen's, uh, Gun Club. And it's amazing. You walk in with the stilettos, uh, they call them here stilettoes? How do you call those knives that jump out of the front and back?

Joe Rogan 6:36 Yeah. Stilettos.

Bas Rutten 6:37 Stilettos, yeah. They're completely legal here.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 6:40 I go, do, you can sell them. I go, "Yeah, this is Texas, buddy." I go, "Oh, man, I'm loving it."

Joe Rogan 6:43 Everything is legal here.

Bas Rutten 6:44 Everything is legal. (laughs) Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:45 Literally everything. You can have concealed carry, is just your constitutional right.

Bas Rutten 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 6:51 Yeah. Don't have to take care of anything.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Amazing how friendly everyone is because there.

Bas Rutten 6:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:54 I'm not advocating for the... I'm not saying that's the good thing or a bad thing.

Bas Rutten 6:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 I'm just saying it's a thing.

Bas Rutten 6:59 It's, listen, when other people have it, uh, if, if, it's bad people-

Joe Rogan 7:02 People are less likely to get crazy.

Bas Rutten 7:04 Yeah, also, but if, if, if bad people have 'em, uh, I wanna live in a gun-free society. Uh, yeah. As long as they have 'em, I have 'em, it's very simple.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Yeah. Although there was a very sad story out here, where a guy, someone was trying to break into his yard or something like that, or someone climbed his fence, and he went out in his own ya- I guess someone called the police or he called the police, and he went out into his own yard with an AR. And when the cops saw him, the cops shot him.

Bas Rutten 7:30 Oh, gee.

Joe Rogan 7:31 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 7:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:32 In his own fucking ...

Bas Rutten 7:33 Backyard.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Yeah, very sad.

Bas Rutten 7:35 Yep. Well, that's, (laughs) that's a lesson. Don't walk around with an AR in the middle of the night.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Well, when you see the cops, put that motherfucker down.

Bas Rutten 7:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yeah. I don't, I don't know what the circumstances were, obviously.

Bas Rutten 7:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:46 But, uh ...

Bas Rutten 7:47 Sad for the family-

Joe Rogan 7:49 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 7:49 That's the first thing I think about 'em.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yes. Always.

Bas Rutten 7:52 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 7:53 So, um, so how is Karate Combat, man? I love it.

Bas Rutten 7:57 I, I just came back-

Joe Rogan 7:59 I, I have been watching, I've been watching a lot. I saw James Vick fought in Karate Combat.

Bas Rutten 8:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:02 And a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of glory guys fight in Karate Combat now. It's a-

Bas Rutten 8:07 James just wanted to invite me for hawk hunting. (laughs) I go, "I'm into it."

Joe Rogan 8:11 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 8:11 "I'm in. I would love to do that," uh. I just came back yesterday from Ar- uh, from, uh, from Miami. It was a great show. Uh-

Joe Rogan 8:19 I gotta get out to one of these.

Bas Rutten 8:20 You have to.

Joe Rogan 8:20 When is the next one?

Bas Rutten 8:21 Uh, June 24th.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Where at?

Bas Rutten 8:23 Uh, I think Miami this one. It's Miami or Orlando.

Joe Rogan 8:26 June 24th. Give me an excuse to go back to Miami, 'cause I like Miami.

Bas Rutten 8:29 Man, if you would, because they've been asking us for such a long time, you know, it, it, it's great.

Joe Rogan 8:34 Maybe I'll take the missus.

Bas Rutten 8:35 And he expe- You know, es- if you go June 24th, I'm, I'm, I'm planning on to take my wife as well.

Joe Rogan 8:40 Oh, really?

Bas Rutten 8:41 Yeah, I wanna take her more on trips now because, you know, all the time, crazy times are over, you know.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 8:46 And now it's, uh, and let's enjoy a little bit, uh, and a few days-

Joe Rogan 8:48 Don't you appreciate that now?

Bas Rutten 8:49 So much better.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Oh, you can just get on a plane, no mask, everybody's happy.

Bas Rutten 8:53 Oh. No, but also with m- me, my, my crazy, freaking, uh, like, okay, 15 years ago, you know, I would come home at eight o'clock in the morning completely drunk, and then nine o'clock, I, I got a flight. Now, I'm walking at the airport at six in the morning, I go, "I'm feeling great." You know?

Joe Rogan 9:07 Sober.

Bas Rutten 9:07 Sober.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Sober boss.

Bas Rutten 9:08 Not, not drinking. How crazy is that?

Joe Rogan 9:09 How long you been sober for?

Bas Rutten 9:10 Oh, you know, I, I do drink here and there, like a glass of wine or something. But, uh, yeah, for a while, I think, uh, for the last five years today. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Yeah. I'm taking it down to that myself. I enjoy the marijuana and I enjoy some other stuff that's, th- th- that's safe and effective. But, uh, I am pretty much done with heavy drinking. I had a friend recently that got off the rails drunk. And it was so sad to watch. He was so debilitated, that I was like, "I think I might be done."

Bas Rutten 9:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 It was, it was awful.

Bas Rutten 9:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:38 You see just real, when you're sober and you see someone just shit-faced, obliterated, can't, can't form sentences.

Bas Rutten 9:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:46 (sighs) Terrible for you.

Bas Rutten 9:48 No, it's horrible. It's horrible. That's why I don't go to the after-parties anymore.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 9:52 Which, whi- which they had here in, uh, with the last, uh, Karate Combat. So, yeah, coming back to that, these are just Wall Street guys who started this thing.

Joe Rogan 10:01 J- Karate Combat?

Bas Rutten 10:02 Karate Combat.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Oh, they just-

Bas Rutten 10:02 They wanted to start a boxing thing. His wife's, uh, brother, uh, who doesn't even speak English, he said, "We should start a boxing event or something, and maybe you should get these Olympic level karate guys and do a full-contact show." And he goes, "Oh, let me Google."

Joe Rogan 10:16 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 10:16 And he started googling it and he realized there's nothing like it. That's literally how it started.

Joe Rogan 10:20 And then it's, uh, when they go to the ground, they can punch them on the ground for 10 seconds, is that what it is?

Bas Rutten 10:25 Five.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Five seconds?

Bas Rutten 10:25 Five seconds.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 10:26 Yeah, George was, uh, with me. George St-Pierre. He's one of the hosts, uh, as well as, um, uh, the, the Wonderboy, uh, Lyoto Machida, you know. But he, he was, he was advocating about three seconds.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 10:39 I go, "Why? Five seconds is already a short time. I think you need to ..." He says, "But three, then they, they probably hit harder," you know. I go, uh, whatever hi- his reasoning is, but, you know. I don't know, but it's a great rule to have. That's first of all. We haven't seen a knockout yet. Uh, there's take-downs, so you can use the pit, there's 45-degree angle walls, so you can literally walk up there and then drop a guy, which we already saw-

Joe Rogan 10:59 Well, you've had knockouts.

Bas Rutten 11:00 (clears throat) Oh yeah, we had a lot of knockouts.

Joe Rogan 11:01 What do you mean by you haven't seen a knockout? You mean on the ground?

Bas Rutten 11:03 Oh, ground and pound.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Oh, ground and pound.

Bas Rutten 11:05 Ground and pound knockout.

Joe Rogan 11:06 No- no ground and pound knockouts here?

Bas Rutten 11:06 Not yet.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Interesting.

Bas Rutten 11:07 Well, we had the, Elijah Averill just came in. He's a point karate guy. And he was, uh ... I actually have some clips. Um, he's the guy who trained with Raymond Daniels.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Oh.

Bas Rutten 11:18 And everybody was speaking about him, he's gonna be great. Dude, y- yeah, you wanna watch this one.

Joe Rogan 11:22 Is this him right here?

Bas Rutten 11:23 Here we go. Okay, so this i- this is the first time.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Whoo!

Bas Rutten 11:25 This is the karate guy on the right, Abdullah Ibrahim, and it's, that's, uh, Joshua Quahagen and he thought he's gonna ...

Joe Rogan 11:31 Oh.

Bas Rutten 11:32 You see? Karate guys.

Joe Rogan 11:34 Whoa. Show that again.

Bas Rutten 11:35 Boom.

Joe Rogan 11:36 Show that again. These guys with their hands down like that.

Bas Rutten 11:41 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Oh, left hook.

Bas Rutten 11:42 Left hook.

Joe Rogan 11:43 Left hook. Six. Wow. They won the fight with a left hook. Watch the wing.

Bas Rutten 11:48 And then there is on this, um, there's another clip there with the h-

Joe Rogan 11:51 They have a Bitcoin logo in the center?

Bas Rutten 11:53 It was at the time, yes.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Oh, these are Wall Street guys. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 11:57 This- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:57 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 11:57 It's a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 11:59 I love the banked edges too. I really do like that. I don't like the cage. I feel like it just gets in, even in MMA, I feel like it gets in the way of so much. Look at this. Boom. Oh, beautiful left hook. Over the shoulder. Didn't even see it coming.

Bas Rutten 12:16 You know, and the great thing is, if you, if you fall against the wall, you're not considered to down, uh, to be down, so you can do anything to your opponent.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 12:24 That is down, once you're on the ground, ground.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 12:26 But on the wall, you're still okay. There's another clip, um, uh, s- with, um, Elijah Averill. Here's the guy, the point karate guy. You, okay, watch this.

Narrator 12:35 Which one is it?

12:36 ... sound start.

Bas Rutten 12:36 Yeah, this is good. You can just hit play right there, because that's at the...

Narrator 12:40 Then it happened when everyone-

Bas Rutten 12:41 Watch what happens when you go slow.

Narrator 12:43 ... eliminated. Straight shots not-

Joe Rogan 12:45 Oh.

Bas Rutten 12:45 Yeah. You'll see this in slow motion. He wanted to kick him, but that...

Narrator 12:48 Absolutely.

Bas Rutten 12:50 You're gonna see in slow mode, the way he-

Joe Rogan 12:52 You can't kick when, once they touch the ground?

Bas Rutten 12:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:54 But you can punch?

Bas Rutten 12:55 You can still punch.

Joe Rogan 12:56 What do you think about that with MMA? It, like pride rules versus-

Bas Rutten 13:01 Watch the kick in the face now. That's a different thing.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Oh, boom. Now, see he's going down.

Bas Rutten 13:04 See, don't... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:05 But so he's touching, so he's kinda almost down. Yeah. Like, what-

Bas Rutten 13:09 And this is against the wall. He's allowed to do everything. He, this is not considered to be down-

Joe Rogan 13:13 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 13:13 ... if you're leaning against the wall.

Joe Rogan 13:15 Interesting. But you can, um... You, you're not down, but you can kick to the body when they're down.

Bas Rutten 13:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Can you kick to the body? Yeah.

Bas Rutten 13:22 Kick the body. Kick, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:23 Stomp?

Bas Rutten 13:23 No, the head also. Uh, not kicking-

Joe Rogan 13:25 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 13:25 ... the head, of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Right. But you can kick the head when they're down.

Bas Rutten 13:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:28 What, what do you think about that? 'Cause like old school pride rules, there was something wild about... And then, o- obviously, ONE FC has sort of followed those style of rules i- in a cage, which is different. Because your head can get trapped in a cage-

Bas Rutten 13:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:42 ... and you can get stomped. Whereas in, you know, old school pride, it was the ropes and guys would, you know, get their head under the ropes-

Bas Rutten 13:49 They try to slide out of the ropes and... I don't know. Those, those stomps, once you saw Wanderlei Silva going to the... Or Rona against-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 13:57 ... Wanderlei Si-, uh, uh, uh, against Sakuraba, you know.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 13:59 They're holding the ropes for the (laughs) balance.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Yes.

Bas Rutten 14:01 And they start sucker kicking somebody's-

Joe Rogan 14:03 (sighs)

Bas Rutten 14:03 ... face in.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 14:05 Eh. What I do bli-, uh, like always is knees to the head on the ground.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Yes.

Bas Rutten 14:09 I rather have that than elbows.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 14:11 Elbows are most of the time are cuts. Knees are knockouts.

Joe Rogan 14:14 Right.

Bas Rutten 14:14 You know? So, do you really wanna lose because of a cut? In a street fight, you wouldn't, right?

Joe Rogan 14:19 Right.

Bas Rutten 14:19 I mean, you wouldn't stop. So, the losing by a cut, eh, it's frowned upon for a fighter. It's still a loss.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Well, there are some knockouts on the ground with elbows, for sure.

Bas Rutten 14:27 (clears throat) More and more now. We see it-

Joe Rogan 14:28 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 14:28 ... more. But i- before-

Joe Rogan 14:30 Right. It was just cuts.

Bas Rutten 14:30 ... it was 98% cuts.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's i- it's interesting because the, the turtle position, when someone shoots in a failed shot and they just hang out there? And they're allowed... 'Cause a person can't, uh, knee them in the head? Boy, that's a very vulnerable position. It's, uh... You would never stay there in a street fight.

Bas Rutten 14:50 No.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Never.

Bas Rutten 14:51 But you, you saw that, uh, what happened with Roger Huerta when he was in the...

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yes. Yes. That was horrible.

Bas Rutten 14:56 That was like... I thought somebody's gonna get killed. And I, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yeah. That was a bad one.

Bas Rutten 14:59 Uh-

Joe Rogan 14:59 That was a bad one.

Bas Rutten 15:00 Horrible. The way-

Joe Rogan 15:01 And that was also a guy much bigger than him too. Like Roger-

Bas Rutten 15:04 Oh.

Joe Rogan 15:04 ... fought 155 in the UFC and then he goes over. And in ONE, he's fighting these very big guys.

Bas Rutten 15:10 And he's already messed up.

Joe Rogan 15:11 (clears throat) Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 15:12 He's falling literally on the ground for his balance.

Joe Rogan 15:15 And then he got soccer kicked.

Bas Rutten 15:16 And then he got soccer kicked full... Yeah. That was scary.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Find, find that 'cause it was one of the worst KOs, you know. And Roger, man, what an interesting story that is. And kind of a sad story because he was very, very promising. He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Bas Rutten 15:29 But here's the thing. There's the, the, the curse, right?

Joe Rogan 15:31 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 15:31 They always talk about the curse. The Sports Illustrated curse, the cover?

Joe Rogan 15:35 Mike Tyson was on the cover of Sports Illustrated too, though. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 15:37 Okay. Forget about it. Check that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:39 Kid Dynamite.

Bas Rutten 15:40 Screw this. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:40 It's in my office at home.

Bas Rutten 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 When he was 19.

Bas Rutten 15:43 Oh, okay. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 15:44 That, that curse don't mean shit. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 15:46 For, for, for him, (laughs) for him, it doesn't.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Where's, I mean...

Bas Rutten 15:49 He's a special guy.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Yeah. But the Roger Huerta thing, what happened was he ran afou-... Some people were talking to him, or I don't know. He just... Him and the UFC didn't get along all of a sudden.

Bas Rutten 16:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Which is crazy.

Bas Rutten 16:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Because the UFC wanted to promote him. He's this good-looking guy. He's talented. He's tough as shit.

Bas Rutten 16:08 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:09 And then winds up losing, and then the UFC drops him 'cause there was all sorts of conflict between the two of them. And he's like, "I'm gonna go fight other places." And then s-

Bas Rutten 16:17 He went over there and we lost him-

Joe Rogan 16:19 But you-

Bas Rutten 16:19 ... unfortunately.

Joe Rogan 16:20 You have these guys that are on this trajectory that if they... You know, there's... Guys-

Bas Rutten 16:25 Limited time.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Yes. Do you... What do you have? Like nine years to perform at your very best?

Bas Rutten 16:30 Yeah. Yeah. That's why I get, uh, like guys like-

Narrator 16:32 This is the only one I can really find of him on there.

Bas Rutten 16:34 Raymond Daniels are still-

Narrator 16:35 It's a crazy fight.

Joe Rogan 16:35 I think this... I don't know if this is it. (clears throat)

Narrator 16:38 It doesn't seem to be a KO or anything.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Oh, no?

Narrator 16:40 Yeah, it's just a crazy fight between them.

Joe Rogan 16:42 No, this is not, uh, uh, Koji Ando.

Bas Rutten 16:44 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 16:44 It was, uh, a Brazilian guy.

Narrator 16:47 Okay.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Oh, Jesus. Rogers-

Bas Rutten 16:48 Yeah, he already... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 He's already... He's taking a lot of punishment in this period.

Bas Rutten 16:51 Yeah, you can already see that going. But, but, but you see the guys who are older guys still performing really well. I think of Raymond Daniels right now-

Joe Rogan 16:59 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 16:59 ... who's fighting for Karate Combat. You know, he's, he's still freaking... And by the way-

Joe Rogan 17:02 Amazing.

Bas Rutten 17:03 He fought, uh... Oh, so he's over 40. He fought Rafael Hagaev, who's considered the GOAT of karate, right? Five world titles, 11 European titles. This guy is a freaking master. Everybody when they... When you would have to bet, you're forced to bet, you put your house on freaking Raymond Daniels. Hagaev beat him.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Really?

Bas Rutten 17:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:21 By decision?

Bas Rutten 17:22 Five round fight. Yeah, decision.

Joe Rogan 17:23 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 17:24 So his reflexes... And everybody and, and the, the president there, Adam Kovech, he told me before, he says, "Hagaev is gonna win." And I go, "Oh, man. That's a big..." He says, "He's going to win." Because now... And now also after the fight they say, "Oh, we have the blueprint." He says, "No, because nobody is like Hagaev."

Joe Rogan 17:39 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 17:39 His reflexes... I mean every time you saw, uh, Daniels move, he was already in there. But now, you know, in Daniels' mind, because this guy, he's got to download everything that went wrong-

Joe Rogan 17:49 Yes.

Bas Rutten 17:50 ... and then you see him fight the next fight. He's a scary guy as well, the stuff that he does, right?

Joe Rogan 17:54 Daniels is amazing. His, his ability to incorporate that point style karate and, and also in the kickboxing. He... I mean he had a lot of courage, like going into Glory. You know, when he fought those guys, he really wasn't accustomed to leg kicks-

Bas Rutten 18:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:09 ... and, you know, uh, Joseph Valtellini beat him. And that's how he beat him. Just chopped those legs, chopped those legs-

Bas Rutten 18:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:16 ... and eventually head kicked him.

Bas Rutten 18:17 And became a whole story. (coughs) Yeah, but the 7:20 punch, did you ever see that thing?

Joe Rogan 18:20 Oh my God, it was insane.

Bas Rutten 18:21 What the heck? And then, and then he decided... Because actually, uh, George Palmer, uh, the commentator, my commentating partner in, uh, Karate Combat, he asked him about it. He says, "What... Were you first about to throw a kick?" And he says, "Actually, I was." But then once he was in the air, the distance got close too fast, he knew he had to change it then. And in the air he was going, "Oh, did I leave the stove on?"

Joe Rogan 18:41 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 18:41 (laughs) "Oh, I'll back to right." (laughs) And then, and then he made it into a freaking right hook.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Yeah. That is one of the... Oh, here's the Roger Huerta one.

Bas Rutten 18:47 This is scary.

Joe Rogan 18:47 This one's terrible. Boom.

Bas Rutten 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 Oh my God.... yeah.

Bas Rutten 18:52 Watch this, he's already out.

Joe Rogan 18:54 Yeah, he's already out, and, and turtled up, and that guy plants it, and on the neck.

Bas Rutten 18:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:59 I mean, that is one of the worst KOs ever. And the amount of power that you can generate from that short a distance? I mean, he was already fucked up. If you back it up a little bit, Jamie, you can see-

Bas Rutten 19:09 I just have this.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Oh, that's all it is?

Bas Rutten 19:10 It's the best I could find.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Yeah. I mean, he was already fucked up. And again, undersized, much, much smaller than this guy, and then the, the neck kick. Yeah, horrible.

Bas Rutten 19:19 Ugh. Yep, not good. But, uh, thankfully we don't have that in karate combat. But, well, you see? He actually kicks those to the body. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:27 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 19:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Well, Georges used those to the body. George St-Pierre?

Bas Rutten 19:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 19:31 Yeah, he's-

Joe Rogan 19:31 That's a great technique to the body for a down opponent. I mean, the, that heel slamming down like that?

Bas Rutten 19:36 Can you imagine? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 19:38 I remember, I was talking to George yesterday about, uh, pointing, right? I like it when you have gloves, so you can point. I would fight, fight, fight, point, and low kick.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 19:46 And every time when you do that, you're painting a picture for your opponent, right? So he's attaching you pointing to the low kick, and make m- actually you throwing the low kick. And then once he gets used to that, of course, you break that pattern.

Joe Rogan 19:57 Right.

Bas Rutten 19:57 You're pointing high and then you're going high. And I said the master who did that was Duane Ludwig. It was in a fight, and the guy's on the ground, and Duane walks up to him, and he points straight at his head, so the high- guy puts his guard up. One shot to the solar plexus.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 20:13 Fight was over. You see, stuff like that, I really enjoy when people do it like that. That's Ross Levine, you know that. He's the middleweight champion from Karate Combat. He's also with Bang Muay Thai.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh.

Bas Rutten 20:23 You see that guy fight? Every organization is gonna go-

Joe Rogan 20:26 Yeah, see, I've only watched clips online. I've never watched a full event.

Bas Rutten 20:30 Freaking 100% in control whatever happens. It's- it's, you know, once I-

Joe Rogan 20:36 Pull up a video of him.

Bas Rutten 20:37 Yeah. Go, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:38 Ross Levine?

Bas Rutten 20:39 Ross Levine. Karate Combat 39 is the main event. Just go to the second round because the first... And he's fighting a really freaking tough guy who's, uh, from the Olympic team at karate in his country, uh, Igor de Castaneda. He just makes him look like he has zero chance.

Joe Rogan 20:55 Here we go. (music playing)

Bas Rutten 20:57 Okay, Ross is in the black.

Narrator 20:59 Rory. Dan Mohavety gets this one underway. White pants for Igor de Castaneda-

Bas Rutten 21:03 Look at this distance, the whole time.

Narrator 21:04 ... with Ross Levine. Obviously came to Karate Combat-

Bas Rutten 21:08 Feinting. Ugh, so underused in fighting.

Joe Rogan 21:11 Hmm.

Narrator 21:12 ... career.

Bas Rutten 21:13 The way he stalks him. Sees everything.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Now, why do they have to wear pants? Is that just because it's karate?

Bas Rutten 21:20 That's just for the karate, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Then why don't they wear tops?

Narrator 21:23 A lot of outside movement from the-

Bas Rutten 21:24 Uh, you know, you should ask them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:25 It seems like you should be able to wear shorts. It's like, anything that would impede the movement of your legs. And I'm not saying that, that pants do. They, they don't that much, but a little bit.

Bas Rutten 21:35 No, but, but the gi does.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 21:36 You know, we saw this also-

Joe Rogan 21:37 For sure.

Bas Rutten 21:37 ... with, uh, uh, Royce Gracie and Sakuraba, right? He started-

Joe Rogan 21:40 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 21:40 ... pulling over. So, so the gi is always-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 21:42 ... a nightmare. So, get rid of the gi, keep the belt. Long pants are okay as long as they're a little stretchy.

Joe Rogan 21:47 Well, it's kinda cool 'cause it shows you that it's karate. But, you know, if, I would prefer shorts 'cause I feel like shorts, I can move my legs better.

Bas Rutten 21:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 I mean, not much different. Obviously, karate tournaments, Taekwondo tournaments, they're all fought with the gi on. Even, uh, actually, actually Sambo, they, they go with shorts.

Narrator 22:05 You know, he was there. Completely didn't recognize it.

Joe Rogan 22:07 In some events, at least.

Narrator 22:09 They didn't expect to be there. It was so weird.

Joe Rogan 22:10 Oh, shit.

Bas Rutten 22:11 But you see the control he has?

Joe Rogan 22:13 Hmm. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 22:13 Everything he's got-

Joe Rogan 22:15 Distance.

Bas Rutten 22:15 Everything...

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 22:16 ... is caught. And the way, it's like, the first time he knocked him out, the guy falls back, makes a spinning Ushiori Mawashi Yodan kick to the head.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Now, this is karate, but it's constant contact.

Bas Rutten 22:27 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:28 It's constant action.

Bas Rutten 22:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Where it's not, it's not point. So what, where do these guys come from? Do they come from point backgrounds, kickboxing backgrounds?

Bas Rutten 22:35 A lot of these guys came from the point background, and you see them, the evolution. I mean, in the beginning, they would literally throw one punch, they scream, and they stop while their opponent kept going. They go, "Oh, shoot. Yeah, I gotta keep going and then make combinations." Uh, so you see-

Joe Rogan 22:49 Oh, you have to go up the ramp to sit in your corner, too.

Bas Rutten 22:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:52 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 22:52 Yeah, there's enough decisions.

Narrator 22:53 First round in the books there. We're gonna take a look back at some of the replays.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Interesting.

Bas Rutten 22:56 But just-

Joe Rogan 22:57 So, did he... Is Ross Levine-

Bas Rutten 22:58 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 22:58 Does he come from a, a point background?

Bas Rutten 23:01 He's a point background k- karate guy, but he went also to Glory, he went to other organizations. He's just an, an incredible fighter. And now he's coming full circle back to karate, and he's, yeah, he became the champion right away. He took the, the old champion's belt. I mean, it wasn't even a contest.

Joe Rogan 23:18 So, that guy in that situation, he knew that he couldn't get kicked to the head, so you can kinda sit there. What is he complaining about?

Bas Rutten 23:24 I have no clue, but it's not good.

Joe Rogan 23:27 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 23:27 But just go to the, to the very end. You'll see him, the way he, he drops everything.

Narrator 23:32 Rafass, what do you think is behind Castaneda coming forward to just try and tie up here? Well, maybe he thought he was gonna move forward. Ooh.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Yeah, like right there. Like, what is that?

Bas Rutten 23:40 Why, why would you stop, right? It's like-

Joe Rogan 23:41 Yeah, well, I think he's kind of already on his way out, right? So, look, he just slid down there instead of standing up.

Bas Rutten 23:47 Now it's at least a down opponent, but it's just-

Joe Rogan 23:48 So now he has to wait for five seconds, right? Is that the strategy?

Bas Rutten 23:51 Well, you could.

Joe Rogan 23:53 But he's just getting beat up, right?

Bas Rutten 23:55 Yeah, this is, uh... But, but look how, how...

Narrator 23:57 Big right shot as a counter.

Bas Rutten 23:59 Look at this.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Oh.

Bas Rutten 24:00 I mean-

Joe Rogan 24:00 So you can do that. You can kick to the face there because the guy's-

Bas Rutten 24:05 He's not down.

Joe Rogan 24:06 ... not totally down.

Bas Rutten 24:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 24:06 He's just leaning against the thing.

Bas Rutten 24:08 Anything goes against the wall.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Interesting, interesting.

Bas Rutten 24:11 Uh, what a choice to make for him.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 24:13 So, and, and he, uh, de Castaneda, he was complaining about this. He said he wasn't out, so they had a rematch.

Joe Rogan 24:19 Oh, boy.

Bas Rutten 24:19 Ah, yeah, indeed. Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 24:21 Well...

Bas Rutten 24:21 And then he got annihilated.

Joe Rogan 24:23 It's unfortunate that some of these guys who are mentally tough, they're great fighters, but they just have this, this one place that if you can take them to there, they'll crack.

Bas Rutten 24:32 Yeah, weird, right?

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 24:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Like, tough, tough guys, but if you take them there, they fall apart.

Bas Rutten 24:37 Yeah, but you go like... Okay, with me, it was submissions. And I go, "You know what? Maybe I should learn this thing."

Joe Rogan 24:43 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 24:43 And I start focusing two or three times a day only on that.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yes.

Bas Rutten 24:46 And that's how you get rid of it, right?

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yes.

Bas Rutten 24:48 I mean, just simply working on it.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yes, but it's a lot of catch-up to do. And, and there was a, always an issue in the early days of the UFC where those guys where they were elite strikers, they just didn't want to roll. Because when they rolled, they would get dominated. But when they strike with people, they would dominate them.

Bas Rutten 25:02 Yeah, and it's stupid.

Joe Rogan 25:03 It's stupid. Yeah, it's just an ego thing.

Bas Rutten 25:05 Do what you don't like.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Yes.

Bas Rutten 25:06 That's the, you know, because that's most of the time, first of all, you don't like it because you don't understand it. That's what I say to people.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Sure.

Bas Rutten 25:12 But once you understand it, you know, you're gonna love it. Like the submissions for me, once I got it, I go like, "Oh, this is way worse than boxing." We thought the tough guys were boxers and kickboxers.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 25:23 That's not true.

Joe Rogan 25:24 No.

Bas Rutten 25:24 You can dislocate, break, uh, any joint, bone in the human body. That's a big power to have, for any guy can do that who is doing, uh, uh, after a blue belt, so to say.

Joe Rogan 25:34 Well, it's just the... I mean, boxing has amazing knockouts, but it's just, when a guy can control you on the ground and dominate you on the ground, you don't have the same ability to defend yourself, you don't have the same options. There's just so much going on.

Bas Rutten 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 It's like...... I mean, it's... Boxing is great to watch, but all... Dude, did you watch the Lomachenko? The heavy weight fight?

Bas Rutten 25:56 I didn't because we were busy. Uh, he got robbed.

Joe Rogan 25:58 No, he got robbed.

Bas Rutten 25:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:59 Yeah, I think he got robbed. I mean, the, the commentators were trying very hard not to say he got robbed.

Bas Rutten 26:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:04 They were dancing around, close rounds, and this and that, but I didn't, I didn't see it at all.

Bas Rutten 26:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:10 I, I felt like Lomachenko won that decision. I'd like to go back and watch again, like with silence, and just sort of try to... No commentary, just try to like really score each round. But to me, I felt like it was two rounds up for Lomachenko.

Bas Rutten 26:23 Yeah. That's bad, you know, if guys like that is fighting one another.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Happens all the time in boxing. It happens all... But it happens in the UFC too.

Bas Rutten 26:32 Yeah, but boxing they have w- worse... It's worse there, right?

Joe Rogan 26:35 It is sometimes. But when Marlon Vera fought Cory Sandhagen, one of the judges gave the fight to Marlon Vera, and it makes zero sense. I've watched that over and over again to try... Like, 'cause Cory Sandhagen's performance is fucking phenomenal.

Bas Rutten 26:53 Yeah, yeah, he's an animal.

Joe Rogan 26:54 It's top level.

Bas Rutten 26:55 And Vera is very freaking tough too.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Vera is an animal.

Bas Rutten 26:57 He's like an animal. He is.

Joe Rogan 26:59 He's a fucking animal. He's so good.

Bas Rutten 27:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 They're, they're the elite of the elite in that division, both t- top five guys. But Cory just fucking just chopping away at him, doing whatever he wants, man.

Bas Rutten 27:11 Yeah. Scary.

Joe Rogan 27:11 It was amazing.

Bas Rutten 27:12 Yeah. Guys like that, man. That's why we have guys like Israel Adesanya.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 27:17 You know, the way... For him to lose and then to come back, you see? I think that's more powerful than any other-

Joe Rogan 27:23 Yes.

Bas Rutten 27:23 ... person out there, you know? You can be undefeated, it's nice, dandy, but, you know, show people you're human. And coming back from that, and then the... And it was rope-a-doping, right?

Joe Rogan 27:31 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 27:31 I mean, and my buddy right away, he sits next to me, he goes, "He's doing... He's rope-a-doping."

Joe Rogan 27:35 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 27:35 You know, he's... Well, cagey doping, whatever you wanna call it, offensive doping, but he was still looking, waiting just for the right moment.

Joe Rogan 27:41 Oh, it was amazing.

Bas Rutten 27:42 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 27:42 It's amazing.

Bas Rutten 27:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Well, he had gotten very close to stopping him in one of the kickboxing fights, and then dropped him with seconds to go, like one second to go in the first round of their MMA fight.

Bas Rutten 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 So he kinda knew he could get to him.

Bas Rutten 27:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 But it's that motherfucker is so big.

Bas Rutten 27:59 Dude, he was standing next to me. He came to Karate Combat. He's a j-... He's like 235 pounds.

Joe Rogan 28:04 He is huge.

Bas Rutten 28:05 (laughs) This is great. All these guys.

Joe Rogan 28:07 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 28:07 I'm next to Jones. I mean, uh, freaking Tito, everybody's giant.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 28:13 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:14 I know.

Bas Rutten 28:14 It's all length. Ian Garry.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 28:16 I mean, you're standing next to him. You just hang out.

Joe Rogan 28:18 He's so tall.

Bas Rutten 28:18 Dude, that's, that's a fun guy to watch, right?

Joe Rogan 28:21 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 28:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Undefeated.

Bas Rutten 28:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:23 So confident and so intelligent and-

Bas Rutten 28:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:25 ... you know, beating Daniel Rodriguez like that in his last fight, and being the first guy to stop Rodriguez. I mean that, that's a big deal.

Bas Rutten 28:31 Look, the head kick. Yeah, he was-

Joe Rogan 28:32 He's got it, man. He's got it. Whatever it is, you know?

Bas Rutten 28:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:35 He's got it. And he's on his way up.

Bas Rutten 28:36 That's the thing. The it thing. What is the-

Joe Rogan 28:38 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 28:38 ... it thing, right?

Joe Rogan 28:39 So many fighters.

Bas Rutten 28:39 Because how many fighters do you see that constantly go for the belt, go for the belt, but they never really get the belt?

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 28:45 And that's so weird. You go like, "Man, he should be a champ."

Joe Rogan 28:48 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 28:48 But somehow, he's not.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Well, there's guys that are so close, they're so close and they beat top guys, but they never get whatever it is.

Bas Rutten 28:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Like Michael Johnson, who just got knocked out this past weekend. I mean, he knocked out Dustin Poirier. KO'd him with one left hand. You know, he's an elite of the elite, and just-

Bas Rutten 29:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:10 ... at a certain point... And he's been KO'd real bad. Josh Emmett KO'd him really bad. And then this past weekend, gets KO'd really bad again, so...

Bas Rutten 29:19 It's a shame.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 29:20 You know? And everybody's focus is on that. And I go like, "You shouldn't," you know? Keep the... I remember there was a time that I was 11, uh, fights undefeated, and somebody told me, he says, uh, "Whoa, man, you're 11 and 0 right now. Uh, you lost 11." I go, "Ah, crap." He goes, "What?" I go, "I wish you wouldn't have said that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:36 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 29:36 'Cause, you know, I was afraid it was gonna go inside my head and I get all, "I wanna make it 12," and then you start fighting not to lose, you know?

Joe Rogan 29:42 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 29:42 You start, don't think you can risk anymore. Thankfully, I forgot about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:46 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 29:46 But (laughs) yeah. Can you imagine? Becoming like this very tentative guy.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 29:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:51 It happens to people. They ch-

Bas Rutten 29:52 A lot of people.

Joe Rogan 29:52 They change up their style.

Bas Rutten 29:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 And they, they become more technical or more boring or more safe, or whatever you wanna call it. But they do, and they think about it.

Bas Rutten 30:02 We get, uh, Mike Perry in the audience, uh, f- uh, uh, Andrei Arlovski was there also for the-

Joe Rogan 30:08 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 30:08 ... for the Karate Combat thing. Mike Perry, that's one of those guys, if you're a promoter, grab that guy.

Joe Rogan 30:14 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 30:14 Great on the microphone, great interviews. He's, he's either gonna get knocked out or he's gonna knock somebody out.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 30:20 He will roll the dice. You know, he's the perfect guy for any organization.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Well, what he's doing now in bare-knuckle fighting is amazing.

Bas Rutten 30:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:28 Knocking out Luke Perry like that, stopping him, you know, uh, s- beating up Michael Venom Page. Who saw that coming?

Bas Rutten 30:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:35 He's just so fucking tough that there's something about the pain that comes with bare knuckle that just suits him.

Bas Rutten 30:43 It's a mental thing.

Joe Rogan 30:44 100%.

Bas Rutten 30:45 I, I think also, we were talking about, uh, uh... Well, Louis Rocha actually was, uh, talking about this, the lightweight guy from Karate Combat. He said, "I'm gonna win this fight because I fought... I was been in a lot of street fights." He said, "I have a different mentality than his opponent, Bruno Souza." And he has a nice upbringing. He's a great fighter, but he doesn't have that little meanness in him at the moment- Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:04 ... when you need it.

Bas Rutten 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:05 You know, the controlled aggression like, uh, Bruce Lee would talk about.

Bas Rutten 31:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:09 I think that's a big thing as well.

Bas Rutten 31:11 It's certainly a big thing. Skill is everything, right? But then the mental aspect of it, sometimes trump skill if you could overcome those sk-... Those moments where the opponent is beating you.

Joe Rogan 31:24 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 31:24 If you could just f- find your openings and then put it on them. Some people are great when they're the hammer and not so great when they're the nail.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Yeah. Yeah, I was talking with George as well. It's what... Bringing your fans. First time my mom and dad are here f- watching me fight, I go, "Oh, I don't know if that's a good thing."

Bas Rutten 31:41 Mm-hmm.... could be really good.

Joe Rogan 31:42 Children is what gets me.

Bas Rutten 31:44 Oh, the worst.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Yeah. Children, when you see people bring their children-

Bas Rutten 31:47 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 31:47 I'm like, "Ugh, you have so much to think about.'

Bas Rutten 31:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:49 There's so much more now that you have to think about.

Bas Rutten 31:52 I wouldn't let my kids watch. They could watch the replay, but they can't watch it live.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 31:57 Because what if something goes wrong?

Joe Rogan 31:58 Right. Right. Right. Right.

Bas Rutten 31:59 You know? And they're like, "Is my daddy going down there?" It's just not a good thing.

Joe Rogan 32:03 No. No. And it's, it's also, there's one more variable that you have to keep in your mind while you're, you're competing. I mean, some people can do it great. Some people can fight great with their kids in the audience. More power to them. But for some people, you watch them with a kid in the audience and they lose and they get KO'd, and you see the kid crying. Like, "Oh, my goodness."

Bas Rutten 32:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 Why, why would you subject-

Bas Rutten 32:27 It's scarring.

Joe Rogan 32:27 ... your children to that? It's just, it's so hard.

Bas Rutten 32:29 If you've just been training for three years full to become a MMA champion, that is gone (laughs) . Right?

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yeah. Did you see the Mackenzie Dern fight this weekend?

Bas Rutten 32:38 No. I heard-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 32:39 She's a bel- unbelievable, right?

Joe Rogan 32:41 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was incredible.

Bas Rutten 32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 It was a breakthrough performance. Like, she's always been elite in the strawweight division, but they're, to, to do that to Angela Hill, who is, by the way, Angela Hill is so fucking tough.

Bas Rutten 32:55 Freaking good. Great striker.

Joe Rogan 32:56 The, the beating that she took in this fight and never quit. Just came very close to getting arm bars and she just would not fucking give that arm up, and she's getting hammer fisted in the face, and-

Bas Rutten 33:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Whew!

Bas Rutten 33:08 Yeah. Yeah, she's a rebel.

Joe Rogan 33:09 She's, Angela Hill is so fucking tough. But Mackenzie Dern, my God. That control.

Bas Rutten 33:13 You never expect her to.

Joe Rogan 33:15 I don't know.

Bas Rutten 33:15 You, if you see her in an interview, you go like-

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 33:17 "She's a sweet lady."

Joe Rogan 33:18 But her daughter-

Bas Rutten 33:19 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 33:19 ... was there for the first time.

Bas Rutten 33:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 33:20 And her daughter's very young. And her daughter saw her face, her daughter's crying. I mean, she won, she dominated.

Bas Rutten 33:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was-

Joe Rogan 33:27 But the daughter's like, "Whoa!"

Bas Rutten 33:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:28 Like, it's hard. It's hard on those little kids.

Bas Rutten 33:31 Yeah, don't bring family. Uh, my, my wife I wouldn't bring, because she would throw in the towel if she sees a little tiny cut-

Joe Rogan 33:36 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 33:37 ... she'll throw in the towel. I brought her too. "Okay," she said, "Take this in." So I was going to Japan, I had a fight twice in one month. Right? And so I tell her, I say, "Why don't you come with me? I can stay there, finally get some training partners in Japan that I can roll around with a little bit." So the first fight goes. It was fi- uh, against, uh, Suzuki. Peter Aerts was there because he was just fighting also for the K-1 and he came to watch. And I was the first guy to stop, uh, Suzuki at the time. But I remember when I, I kneed him and I hit him and he goes down on the ground. So I'm standing in my corner and it's an eight count, and my wife is walking away. And I go, "Where is she going?" You know (laughs) , they go, "Fight again." And later on I go, "What were you doing?" She said, "I didn't like it because I thought you were gonna hurt him ex- a little bit, because I'm there. You know, you're gonna do your extra very best to hurt the guy more."

Joe Rogan 34:22 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 34:22 I go, "No." I just, "Why the hell would she leave?"

Joe Rogan 34:25 (laughs) .

Bas Rutten 34:25 I'm standing there and I just see her walking away.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Oh, no (laughs) .

Bas Rutten 34:28 And I go, "What the hell is going on here?"

Joe Rogan 34:29 She thought you were gonna hurt him more-

Bas Rutten 34:31 More.

Joe Rogan 34:31 ... because she was there.

Bas Rutten 34:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 That's interesting.

Bas Rutten 34:33 And then, by the way, this is also funny. She, we're, we're doing the laundry, she's hanging laundry on the balcony. And you, it, it was in Japan, in Tokyo. And suddenly she goes, "Oh, my God. Somebody jumped off the building." And I'm laughing and I, I think it's a joke. And she goes, "No, no, really." So I'm looking and there's this guy on the floor in like a really bad position. You know, that he committed suicide. He just jumped. And then you see people coming by. They just kick him and they keep walking. And then suddenly there's this little, uh, ambulance thing comes. They grab him up, put him away. But it was the wildest thing, like-

Joe Rogan 35:05 So she saw him jump?

Bas Rutten 35:06 She saw, saw him falling down. Boom. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:10 Whew!

Bas Rutten 35:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:11 That's a wild way to go.

Bas Rutten 35:12 Yeah. They say that every mo- the moment they jump, they, they know it's a mistake. That one guy who jumped off the bridge in New York-

Joe Rogan 35:21 San Francisco.

Bas Rutten 35:22 Uh, San Francisco.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Golden Gate.

Bas Rutten 35:23 And he survived.

Joe Rogan 35:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 35:25 The, the, the freaking, uh, what's it?

Joe Rogan 35:26 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 35:26 The flipper brought him back up, right?

Joe Rogan 35:28 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 35:29 Unbelievable. He said, "You, you regret it the moment you step off." And, uh, I-

Joe Rogan 35:33 Of course.

Bas Rutten 35:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:33 E- well, of course. You know you're gonna die.

Bas Rutten 35:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:36 I mean, I had a friend who did that in San Francisco.

Bas Rutten 35:39 And he died?

Joe Rogan 35:40 He died. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 35:41 Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Yeah. He struggled with depression for a long time and then, uh, someone sent him- sent me a message that he, Tony killed himself. I was like, "Oh, no." And I was like, "How did he do it?" And they were like, "He jumped off the bridge." I was like, "Oh..."

Bas Rutten 35:54 Yeah. Because that's about how, that's at least 50 seconds-

Joe Rogan 35:57 Oh.

Bas Rutten 35:57 ... because it's all long bridge. That's, uh...

Joe Rogan 35:59 That's a big fucking drop.

Bas Rutten 36:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:01 And you don't die instantly, I don't think either. Maybe you do.

Bas Rutten 36:05 I see these commercials on TV with people that are depressed. In the early days I would be, "Come on, man. Just think happy thoughts." That's what I literally, I'm the idiot who thought that.

Joe Rogan 36:14 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 36:14 And then after my last fight, I had like a two and a half month period of depression. The most scariest thing I've ever had to-

Joe Rogan 36:20 Which fight? Which fight was it?

Bas Rutten 36:21 That was after 2006, the last fight I made, like after seven years I didn't fight. Against Ruben Valeriano.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 36:27 The big Indian guy.

Joe Rogan 36:28 That fight? You had depression after that fight?

Bas Rutten 36:30 After that some- I think maybe because it was literally God letting me know, you, that, "Okay, the fight is over now." You, becau- I was so injured and I thought I was okay, but I was so injured I couldn't continue fighting anymore. And I think... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Were you injured going into the fight?

Bas Rutten 36:44 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Yeah?

Bas Rutten 36:45 Everything. Hamstring rip was out. It wa- it was, it was not good. But, uh, thankfully I got him, but then afterwards I think that maybe got in my head that I couldn't... that this was it.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 36:56 And I was literally on the freeway thinking, you know, "What if I drive my car against it?" You know?

Joe Rogan 37:00 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 37:00 And I go, "What? What am I thinking?" I go... And then I, I decided to make a list with all the good things in my life and all the bad things. And then you're gonna realize that the bad thing list is two things. Three.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 37:12 And the rest is like goes on, the good things. And I started focusing on it. And I don't understand, a lot of people it's harder for them, you know, and they are going to need medication. I tried medication and, you know, like I was freaking out. I literally was thinking... If I wouldn't have had a family, I might have done it. It was that crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:30 Did you get hit in that fight bad?

Bas Rutten 37:32 No.

Joe Rogan 37:33 No? So did you get hit at all in training that was bad?

Bas Rutten 37:36 No. No, not... I, I never had an eight count. Not even in fighting. So I, I've never had... I've been very blessed.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Yeah, so-... do you think it was just psycho- because that is a thing that happens to guys with CTE. Guys that have had, uh-

Bas Rutten 37:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... a lot of hits to the head. They start getting very depressed because their serotonin levels are all fucked up-

Bas Rutten 37:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:57 ... their endocrine system's all fucked up. Their pituitary gland gets damaged. And they say it gets damaged even when you don't even get knocked out, just y- little jabs to the face.

Bas Rutten 38:07 Oh, I, listen, I've been training with Peter, uh, uh, Pedro Rizo.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Yeah. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 38:10 So, that's a fun guy to spar with.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 38:12 You know, he got me on a body shot one time when I was looking at the clock, uh, making sure that he could not see that I was looking at the clock.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 38:18 But he had me on a liver shot. I go... And then I start throwing, on purpose, a lot of crosses because somebody who was hurt as that would never do that, right?

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 38:26 So, I was trying to convince him and thankfully, he thought I wasn't hurt.

Joe Rogan 38:30 (exhales)

Bas Rutten 38:30 And then the bell went and I go like, "Dude!" I looked at him, "Oh, I'm so happy-"

Joe Rogan 38:34 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 38:34 ... "you didn't touch me there." Like this. Pssh. And I would have gone down.

Joe Rogan 38:38 The liver is awful.

Bas Rutten 38:39 It's the worst.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Oh, my God. When, when people were saying when Ryan Garcia went down against Tank Davis-

Bas Rutten 38:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:45 ... and people are saying he quit. I'm like, "Okay, have you ever been hit there before?"

Bas Rutten 38:48 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Y- yeah. It's-

Bas Rutten 38:50 Eeh. Everything just fucking raises up.

Narrator 38:53 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 38:53 My... This is... Where does my love for the liver shot come from?

Joe Rogan 38:56 Yes.

Bas Rutten 38:57 First Thai boxing class, getting dropped by a liver shot. That's it.

Joe Rogan 39:00 First class? Really?

Bas Rutten 39:01 First class of the Thai box. Tough, uh, tough boxer, uh, karateka, but my hands are here.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 39:07 So, as soon as they added punches to the face, you over-commit.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Yes.

Bas Rutten 39:11 You go too fast so you're exposing your body. And I was training with Osman, was his name. He was in a, uh, a class A fighter already, pro. And he figured me out really fast.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 39:21 And he dropped me with a liver shot and I, I remember asking him, I go, "Wha- what is this?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:26 It's terrible.

Bas Rutten 39:27 I went home. I spent three and a half hours in front of a mirror. Three and a half hours. My wife said, "You're insane."

Joe Rogan 39:34 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 39:34 I would drink, I would drink a little coffee, relax, go back to the mirror. Only this. Um, um, um, um. I was-

Joe Rogan 39:40 Oh.

Bas Rutten 39:40 I was not gonna drop my hands anymore.

Joe Rogan 39:42 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 39:42 And the next day-

Joe Rogan 39:43 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 39:43 ... I went back to the class and I just cleaned 85% of the gym out. And they were like, they thought I played a joke on them. I go, "No, I spent three and a half hours (laughs) in front of the freaking mirror." That was not gonna happen again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:55 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 39:55 I was a little obsessive-compulsive then.

Joe Rogan 39:56 That's the champion mindset.

Bas Rutten 39:58 It's the only way to do it.

Joe Rogan 39:59 Yeah. You need that. You can't have a bunch of other options of things you can do. You, you have to be 100%-

Bas Rutten 40:05 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 40:05 ... all in, fully obsessed.

Bas Rutten 40:08 I'm thinking about a funny story from when I lived in that buil- I used to live across the gym and I had a mixed mar- uh, not a mixed martial arts. I had a Thai boxing match, uh, the next day. And my neighbors, there was a, uh, stairs going up, left are the apartments and right. I was on the right side, they were on the left side. So, they have a mirror image apartment, so I know everything. What we have, it's a mirror image there. And they were banging the music really loud and it was 10 o'clock. And I go, "I'll let it go until 11 o'clock, 11:30. Okay, I'm gonna go down and ask them." So, I asked them really nice if they could please stop it because I have to do something tomorrow. I didn't wanna mention anything because they can only trigger something and they said, "Sure." Close the door, turn the music up. I call the cops and I tell the cops, I said, "Listen, this is 86A, my name is Bas Ruta. You can tell them that I called you, so use my name. Uh, but please, this has got to stop." Because now it's like midnight, 12:15, you know, it's... And I need to sleep. So, the police comes, but he had also a little balcony. (laughs) And this is hilarious because the police comes, music is down. I'm standing on the balcony looking at them. They were on one floor behind me and, uh, while the police leaves, they go, "They're gone. Turn it up." They're screaming inside and they start blasting the music again. I go, "Okay." (laughs) So, I put on a cap, you know, that I looked a little different, put on a jacket, and I walked out, uh, down. And a guy opened up, I go, "Hey, what's up? Party time." And he goes, "Yeah, come in, come in." And I walk in. Close the door and right behind the door is where the fuse box are. And I... In Holland it's different. In Holland, they're like ceramic, the fuses.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 41:50 Like big, they look like spark plugs.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Yes. You just twist them in?

Bas Rutten 41:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 41:54 And I open the thing and I just crushed ev- I stomped the whole thing in, like, holding the side of the door. I go, "Bomb, bomb." The whole place goes down. And they came running in the building. I go, "I warned you guys." (laughs) And everybody, but nobody came close. They saw in my eyes. So, the reason I didn't wanna go there in the first place because I, I couldn't s- my, my adrenaline. Well, I couldn't sleep the whole freaking night because my adrenaline was so rocketing now after that whole experience. Thankfully, I beat him. But, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:24 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 42:24 But that was the day before the fight.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 42:26 The day before the fight. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:28 When you, when you had the day before a fight, was there anything specifically you would do to try to relax or try to calm yourself or get ready?

Bas Rutten 42:36 No, I, I, um, I always been a big thing and then later on when I started u- understanding breathing better, you know, like, uh, the, the, um, the vagus nerve to stimulate that one?

Joe Rogan 42:47 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 42:47 On, on that one I was doing that. Like, I would be... This was with, with the, with nerves, I use it with a low tone. I go, "Hum," and I let my belly vibrate. Now, at that time, I didn't know but I was doing short inhales with longer exhales, actually stimulating the vagus nerve, you know? And other ways to stimulate the vagus nerve are also by humming and singing. So, I, I connected two of them somehow, but it made me very calm. If I had, uh, a headache, I do it the same thing, but I go higher pitch sound because then my skull vibrates. "Hum," you see? Then...

Joe Rogan 43:20 Hum. Yeah.

Bas Rutten 43:21 And that always helps me with headache or if I'm nervous with, with my, with my body. So, yeah, that's what I would do. I would just relax and, and be... have fun. Video games, you know, only comedy. Nobody can say anything bad.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 43:36 In the dressing room, we can't have aggression. Everybody needs to go right away, "G- g- get the guy's ass." I remember my last fight and my, uh, nutrition was there and he wants to hype me up. So, he says, "Can I talk to you outside?" It was just before, like an hour before the fight. He goes, "Listen, man-... "This guy tries to take food away from me, family." I go, "Stop right there."

Joe Rogan 43:56 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 43:57 I say, (laughs) "I don't need this talk." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:59 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 43:59 He goes, "Seriously?" I go, "No."

Joe Rogan 44:02 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 44:02 Then... Because if I get angry-

Joe Rogan 44:04 Right.

Bas Rutten 44:04 ... that's, that's... You don't wanna get angry.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Right.

Bas Rutten 44:06 You know, you wanna be in control. So, he says, "Okay, okay." This is-

Joe Rogan 44:08 It's interesting 'cause some people do need that.

Bas Rutten 44:09 Yeah, they need to get slapped in the face.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 44:11 No, far away from that.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 44:13 My opponent's already gonna try that. Why would I do that?

Joe Rogan 44:16 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 44:16 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 44:17 (laughs) Yeah, right.

Bas Rutten 44:17 Did you see how I say try that?

Joe Rogan 44:19 Yes.

Bas Rutten 44:19 I said it. I didn't say do that. Try that.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Right, of course.

Bas Rutten 44:22 (laughs) Slip that in there.

Joe Rogan 44:23 It's, it, it is interesting the different psychology. Like, if you are a coach, you kinda need to be a psychologist 'cause you're dealing with all these different people, different ways. Like some people, they're, they have amazing potential, but they're just not that disciplined.

Bas Rutten 44:36 Yep.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Some people, you gotta keep them out of the gym 'cause they're training too hard. They're gonna overtrain.

Bas Rutten 44:39 Yup. Yeah, and I always found out that it's like, it's the one in the middle. It literally is. I think the guys with too much talent, they don't have the stamina to back it up-

Joe Rogan 44:50 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 44:50 ... because they're always schooling everybody in the gym-

Joe Rogan 44:52 Right.

Bas Rutten 44:52 ... and nobody gives them pressure.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Right.

Bas Rutten 44:54 You know? And then of course, and but, if you have the guys, like, the guys who are not really physically, um, blessed-

Joe Rogan 45:03 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 45:04 ... but still become a freaking champ, like Tim Sylvia.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Yes.

Bas Rutten 45:08 I mean, if you see him walk, his toes are inside a little bit. His motoric skills-

Joe Rogan 45:12 Chicken leg, yeah.

Bas Rutten 45:12 ... are not that great.

Joe Rogan 45:13 Yeah, pigeon-toed, yeah.

Bas Rutten 45:14 Freaking world champion.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Yup.

Bas Rutten 45:16 And those guys are way harder to beat than a guy who is... It's easy for them because instead of... I, if I have to work for something two hours, and they have to work six hours for the same thing to, to get to that point, they don't wanna let that go. Those guys are the worst guys to fight. They're the toughest.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 45:31 So, it always comes with something. And that's why it's, figured out in the middle. I know I have talent, but I'm not like a BJ Penn kind of talent.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Right.

Bas Rutten 45:39 You know, that is like exceptional, three years black belt, and then backing it up by beating-

Joe Rogan 45:45 Three years, wins the Mundials.

Bas Rutten 45:48 ... three years world champion. (laughs) That's right.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Which is insane.

Bas Rutten 45:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Imagine you meet a guy. You're like, "What are you doing?" "Oh, I'm gonna go take my first jujitsu class." "Oh, good luck with that." Then you meet him three years later.

Bas Rutten 45:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:58 "What are you doing?" "Oh, I just won the world championships."

Bas Rutten 46:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:00 "In what?"

Bas Rutten 46:01 In the black belt division.

Joe Rogan 46:02 "In what?" (laughs) In jujitsu.

Bas Rutten 46:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:03 What?

Bas Rutten 46:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:04 And what, what rank?

Bas Rutten 46:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Black belt. What? That's insane. Nobody even gets a black belt in three years.

Bas Rutten 46:10 Freaking prodigy.

Joe Rogan 46:11 I was a brown belt for eight fucking years. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 46:14 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 BJ Penn was a special guy, man.

Bas Rutten 46:18 He is.

Joe Rogan 46:18 When people talk about GOATs, I feel un- unfortunately, they leave him out of the equation.

Bas Rutten 46:23 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:23 But if you look at BJ in his prime, when he beat Sean Sherk, when, when, when he beat Diego Sanchez, like in his prime, when he was just smashing people, Joe Stevenson.

Bas Rutten 46:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:35 BJ Penn was a motherfucker.

Bas Rutten 46:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:38 I put that BJ Penn against any 155-pounder that's ever lived.

Bas Rutten 46:42 Yup. And his striking, it picked up so fast.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 46:46 Gomi?

Joe Rogan 46:47 Oh, yeah.

Bas Rutten 46:47 I mean, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:48 Oh, my God. Din Thomas?

Bas Rutten 46:50 Animal.

Joe Rogan 46:50 He, he, he's, he knocked out a lot of fucking people, and his jujitsu was off the charts.

Bas Rutten 46:55 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:56 Off the charts. BJ Penn was so fucking talented but-

Bas Rutten 47:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:00 ... during that period when he was the GOAT, what, what happened was he got with Marv Marinovich, and he started training insane cardio. The Marinovich's had him training cardio more than anything else.

Bas Rutten 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:13 It was all plyometrics. It was all these fa... So, they're like, "You already know how to fight."

Bas Rutten 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 Like, "The problem is endurance."

Bas Rutten 47:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 47:21 "Let's give you the most insane gas tank, and then you go out there with so much confidence 'cause you never have to worry about keeping your foot off the gas."

Bas Rutten 47:28 Yeah. But what happened? You, this sounded to me like he was setting off.

Joe Rogan 47:32 No, I mean-

Bas Rutten 47:32 That's when he started going-

Joe Rogan 47:33 That's, that's when he won. That's what... Well, I mean-

Bas Rutten 47:35 Oh, okay, good.

Joe Rogan 47:35 He always won, but that's when he became BJ Penn-

Bas Rutten 47:38 BJ Penn.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... the motherfucker.

Bas Rutten 47:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:41 I feel like the, if like you could get time machines together, I would take Khabib when he beat Conor McGregor and face BJ Penn when BJ Penn fought Sean Sherk.

Bas Rutten 47:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Or BJ Penn fought Joe Stevenson or BJ Penn fought Diego Sanchez, like that BJ Penn versus that Khabib. Holy shit.

Bas Rutten 48:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Holy shit with the... That fight gives me goosebumps just imagining it.

Bas Rutten 48:04 Yeah, freaking elbow. He's, the s-

Joe Rogan 48:06 Woo.

Bas Rutten 48:07 ... the split he left open of Joe Stevenson's head.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 48:10 Yeah, there was blood everywhere. Remember there was, in a puddle?

Joe Rogan 48:12 Oh, my God. Plus, when you got him on the ground, like it... That was a fucking-

Bas Rutten 48:16 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:16 That ain't no picnic.

Bas Rutten 48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 That's terrifying. BJ Penn was fucking amazing on the ground.

Bas Rutten 48:20 Everybody says, you know, "It feels like he's 250 pounds when you roll with him."

Joe Rogan 48:24 Well, his legs move like arms.

Bas Rutten 48:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:27 He has the most insane flexibility and dexterity. Yeah, this is BJ in his prime. Oh, my God, boom.

Bas Rutten 48:33 Boom, Sean Sherk laying there.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Flying knee KO.

Bas Rutten 48:35 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Dude, BJ Penn, when he was the GOAT, when he was on top, dude, he was fucking unstoppable.

Bas Rutten 48:41 (laughs) And he's so angry, too. It was the best-

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 48:45 ... since-

Joe Rogan 48:45 But are they like letting... What is Mariya Yamasaki letting that fight go... Oh, it was the end of the round. That's what it was. Boom, uppercut, left hook. Check the timing on this knee. Step, boom. And he's got those Ruka shorts with the black belt on it.

Bas Rutten 49:00 (laughs) Damn.

Joe Rogan 49:01 Oh, my God. And-

Bas Rutten 49:02 But Sean Sherk was a fucking pit bull.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Oh, my God, Sean Sherk.

Bas Rutten 49:06 Oh, oh yeah, he was on top for a long time.

Joe Rogan 49:08 Yeah, oh, my God, and he had incredible fitness.

Bas Rutten 49:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:11 I mean, Sean Sherk was so f- he was like one of the first guys that had like unbelievable strength and conditioning routines. And you know, this is early days of the UFC's popularity. So, it's like people miss that, and I, I feel like Anderson Silva's another one. When Anderson when his- was in his prime, Jesus Christ. When Anderson knocked out Vitor with that front kick to the face.

Bas Rutten 49:33 Oh, geez, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Woo, when Anderson knocked out Okami, when A- Anderson, you know-

Bas Rutten 49:37 Knocked out everybody.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Knocked out everybody. Forrest Griffin.

Bas Rutten 49:40 Yeah, Forrest Griffin. The way he-

Joe Rogan 49:41 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 49:41 The way. (exhales)

Joe Rogan 49:42 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 49:43 That was even...

Joe Rogan 49:44 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 49:45 Dunk, dunk.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Yeah. There's a bunch of those guys that unfortunately, they get left out of the conversation 'cause people see them when they've...... they should have quit. Yeah. They should have stopped fighting. Yeah. That's the case with BJ. That's the case with Anderson. Yeah. People see them when they should have w- walked away, and they just (inhales deeply) one more time. Or maybe they're getting a big contract. Maybe with the UFC, it's got, got them, they, they fight, and they can make half a million dollars, $750,000, a million dollars. And so, you know...

Bas Rutten 50:15 It's a... But... (sighs) You know, we all think about that short little... Uh, I, I'm very blessed because I got a lot of injuries, and that's why I stopped. Because everybody tells me, "Man, you were smart. You stopped there right at the end of your, of, at the peak of your career." I say, "That was not me." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:29 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 50:29 Because I would have been a knucklehead to keep on fighting. And eventually, you are going to lose because you're gonna fight guys who are half your age. You know, they, they can work out five times a day, uh, five times a week full power. You can't.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 50:39 You know? You have to really make sure that when you do your, uh, high outputs, 'cause otherwise, you're not gonna make it. So thankfully, I got injuries, and that's what kept my, my, my record, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:49 But you had injuries before you won the heavyweight title.

Bas Rutten 50:53 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:53 You had a bad neck injury when you fought TK.

Bas Rutten 50:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:56 When you fought Tyosho Kosaka, you, your neck was so fucked up, you could barely roll.

Bas Rutten 51:00 It was really bad. Yeah. It was Daryl Golar. He threw me on my head.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 51:03 I had him in a triangle choke. That freaking guy, man. He was-

Joe Rogan 51:07 He was powerful.

Bas Rutten 51:08 ... so powerful. Really powerful, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Whoo. Ooh, Daryl Golar was a fucking beast.

Bas Rutten 51:12 Slams me on the ground-

Joe Rogan 51:13 Oh, my God.

Bas Rutten 51:13 ... in the corner.

Joe Rogan 51:14 Oh, no.

Bas Rutten 51:14 You know, so my neck is completely jacked up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:18 And that's, that's the same injury that got aggravated when you did, what was it? Uh, Sons of Anarchy? When you were doing that movie? Or the TV show?

Bas Rutten 51:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:27 What was it that you did that wound up, you, where you had to get the next few years...

Bas Rutten 51:31 Oh, that was Lights Out.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Lights Out.

Bas Rutten 51:33 Yeah, the TV show. Uh, there was this moment that the lead actor, uh, "I'm gonna beat him." And he says, "This is, it's not realistic. This boss, you know, he should come up with something. He, I do something if, something illegal, whatever."

Joe Rogan 51:46 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 51:46 "Because otherwise, there's no way I can beat this guy." And I said, "What about this? I jump on your back, you know? I forget to put the hooks in, and I slide off. I spike myself, so this is all on me."

Joe Rogan 51:56 Oh, my gosh. It's your idea.

Bas Rutten 51:57 Yeah. And then, uh, and then I'm dizzy. You hit me in the throat, whatever, and then, uh, "You wanna do that?" I go, "Sure." You know you're invincible at that moment, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:06 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 52:07 You think. And I did it twice, and it was ju- it was just this height that I just dropped. But I remember, like, two months later, looking in the mirror and looking at my wife. I go, "Is my arm getting smaller? (laughs) This is weird."

Joe Rogan 52:19 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 52:19 And I wasn't using it because I had a lot of pain in the shoulder. And then I had to do an autograph session in, uh, in Boston for the UFC actually. They flew me out, and then I went to the doctor. I said, "Can, I gotta put a cortisone shot in here. There's no way I can do this weekend." You know? And he put the cortisone shot in there, and so I now could use it. Because before, I didn't use it because it was hurting, and I couldn't lift my carry-on luggage. Freaked me out. I go like, "Whoa, watch out." My other hand, I lift. I go, "Okay, so it's my arm. Something's going on." I thought I lost all power, and that's when I realized it was my freaking neck, you know.

Joe Rogan 52:51 How is it coming back now? Is it...

Bas Rutten 52:54 Nothing. Its supporting muscles, they're doing it. You know, if I lift this up, you'll see, uh, you see, it's all gone here. See?

Joe Rogan 53:00 Oh, wow.

Bas Rutten 53:00 It's all atrophied, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Wow. That's crazy.

Bas Rutten 53:02 But it was, my whole arm was like this. It was a stick. So I got this, biceps is coming very slowly. It's coming down. But literally, I started with two pounds. I couldn't pull the trigger from a gun.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Really?

Bas Rutten 53:15 Yeah. So going, listen, I used to do nine one-arm pull-ups. Like, people, I would do this in the subway with the other fighters. "Hey, show the pull-ups again." Not stretched arm, but from here, I could, like, nine one-arm pull-ups. And going from that not able to grab the freaking water out of the fridge.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Ugh.

Bas Rutten 53:31 That was scary. That was very scary. And then I went from two-pound curls, and now I'm doing 15 now. And they say, "Oh, that's great." Yeah, over 12 years. (laughs) So...

Joe Rogan 53:41 Fif- so you went from two-pound curls to 15-pound curls?

Bas Rutten 53:43 Yeah, but, uh, like I said, so over 12 years. I gotta do 45s I have in my left, and then the little ones.

Joe Rogan 53:49 I know you went to Ways2Well, and they, they gave you some stem cells.

Bas Rutten 53:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:53 And you've, you've done some stem cells. Uh, where, where did you go before that? Did you go to Panama?

Bas Rutten 53:57 I did Panama before, all the way back. It didn't work anything for my, uh, neck injury. Uh, because apparently, there's a nerve blocked, and it can't unblock a nerve, you know? It's, uh, it can only do so much.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Is it, it's blocked because of the fused discs or something?

Bas Rutten 54:10 I have no clue. Nobody can s- find out where it actually is located. It's because it's like, uh, it's been such a long time that they simply cannot locate. They tried everything with electricity and holding, and it's, it's stupid. Somehow, they cannot figure it out. So, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:27 Hmm.

Bas Rutten 54:27 So I felt really good after Panama, like, physically. It dropped my, um, what is it, cholesterol levels. It was bizarre. I went from 220 because coincidentally, I just, uh, took, like, a blood test two mo- two weeks before I went to there, and when I came back, they did another blood test, it dropped 70 points, seven zero points, in, like, 10 days. And it was because of the stem cells.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Wow.

Bas Rutten 54:52 It was the ones here was like 150. I go, "What? It was 220." It was, it was really bizarre. And I felt really energized. I remember the person who told me to go there, um, they also got it through Mel. Uh, Gibson.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Mel Gibson.

Bas Rutten 55:05 And, uh, and, and his sister was talking about, she says, "I feel energy coming out of my fingertips." I go, "That's a weird thing to say." But then after my third session, because you have four sessions in four days, I call my wife. I go, "Oh, I know exactly what she's talking about." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:20 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 55:20 'Cause I, every morning, I will wake up, boop, boop, boop, out of my toes and out of my fingers.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Wow.

Bas Rutten 55:24 For six months straight. Really weird, but it felt really good.

Joe Rogan 55:28 Wow. Yeah. (laughs) I've never done the Panama. I've done Ways2Well, and I did it in Santa Monica, um, at, uh, a, a few different places I've done stem cells, but, uh, it's healed injuries big time. I had a, I had a full-length rotator cuff tear, and I, when I, I went, uh, in Vegas, Dr. Roddy Magee shot me up with, um, mesenchymal stem cells. And, uh, I went to a doctor. The UFC gave me a doctor in Los Angeles, and he looks at my MRI.... and, uh, he goes, "You're gonna need surgery." And I, I go, "100%?" He's like, "Yeah." I mean, he goes, "I don't know how you're using it now."

Bas Rutten 56:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:06 And so he goes, "Well, let me put you through some paces. Let me, let me see." He goes, "Resist this." And I, I just resisted it, and he goes like, "Huh." He's like, "Resist that." And I resisted that. He's like, "Oh."

Bas Rutten 56:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:15 He's like, "Okay, it's pretty strong." He goes, "Well, you know, it's g- it's a matter of time. Just, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna need surgery, so, you know, might be better to do it now. Even though it hurts, you've got good muscle supporting it, and so that's the only reason why it's okay." So I got a shot up with stem cells. Six months later, I go and get an MRI, the rotator cuff tear is gone.

Bas Rutten 56:38 Bro.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Full-length rotator cuff tear. And Dr. Magee looks at me, he goes, "You know how fucking insane this is?"

Bas Rutten 56:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:45 He goes, "This is insane."

Bas Rutten 56:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:47 And this was, like, the early days of stem cells in America, where you could kinda get away with more. They were doing-

Bas Rutten 56:54 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:54 ... some wild shit-

Bas Rutten 56:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:55 ... that you gotta go to Mexico now and get, you know?

Bas Rutten 56:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Like, uh, Tijuana, the, the, the, um, the Cellular Performance Institute, CPI down there that, uh, um, my friend, uh, Ed Clay and, um, Eddie Bravo's been down there, a lot of U- UFC fighters have been down there.

Bas Rutten 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:11 You know?

Bas Rutten 57:11 They, they, they go the extra step.

Joe Rogan 57:12 It's incredible. Yeah, they-

Bas Rutten 57:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... they fucking dose you. They're just... They hit you with a lot of it. And, uh, everybody I know that's gone down to that place has had phenomenal-

Bas Rutten 57:20 Well, I went to Wish Dwell for the, for an IV, right?

Joe Rogan 57:23 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 57:23 Already? And I, I had to say, the next day I called them, I go, "The, my, my muscle aches are way less."

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 57:28 You know? It's just after one day.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Well, there's a definite reduction in inflammation that comes with that.

Bas Rutten 57:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:33 You know? But there's a lot of things you could do to reduce inflammation, but the healing thing is just incredible. And I really wish... I mean, the problem is, in this country, you know, without just blaming people, there's too much regulation when it regard to that kinda stuff, and it's not because there's a lot of evidence that people get injured by stem cells. I feel like there's a lot of pressure on them because there's a lot of drugs that people take when they're injured, and there's a tremendous industry in those drugs.

Bas Rutten 58:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Tremendous industry in anti-inflammatories, there's tr- tremendous industry in the pain pills, and a lot of that would be hit hard if stem cells were openly not just, not just, like, allowed, but allowed the way they're allowing-

Bas Rutten 58:18 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 58:18 ... them in other countries. You know?

Bas Rutten 58:20 It's everything, and they don't want that.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 58:22 They don't want to fix you.

Joe Rogan 58:23 It's fucked. It's really... Well-

Bas Rutten 58:24 It really is.

Joe Rogan 58:25 I mean, if they could make it so that you have to take a pill once a month, and that pill is worth a lot of money, and-

Bas Rutten 58:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:31 ... they can profit off of it, they'd be, like, all in.

Bas Rutten 58:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:34 But this, uh, bio... I am just a giant fan of stem cells, and I'm a giant fan of peptides.

Bas Rutten 58:40 Yeah, me too. I always did peptides.

Joe Rogan 58:42 Makes a giant difference.

Bas Rutten 58:43 You know? Trigger your own body to make more.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yes.

Bas Rutten 58:45 It's the best.

Joe Rogan 58:45 It is.

Bas Rutten 58:46 You know? It's always better than a foreign substance in you.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yes. And it's incredible what they can do now.

Bas Rutten 58:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 I mean, really. And we're really at the cusp of this. They're doing things now where they have stem cell eye drops for people that have eye injuries.

Bas Rutten 58:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Just, it is, I mean, the, the intravenous stem cells help, help with all sorts of neurological conditions, and all sorts of issues that people have, particularly when they go to, say, Colombia, the bioXcellerator place, or, or Neil Riordan's place, which is in Panama.

Bas Rutten 59:13 Yeah, other side was there.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yeah, it's fucking... It's amazing what they can do now. So anyway, this, this shoulder, many years later, zero problems.

Bas Rutten 59:21 Zero problems.

Joe Rogan 59:22 I do n-

Bas Rutten 59:22 Just stem cells.

Joe Rogan 59:23 ... 90-pound clean presses with this.

Bas Rutten 59:25 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 59:26 And I do windmills with it. So, I'm putting it in these, uh, compromising positions, where I'm doing this with windmills with 90 pounds.

Bas Rutten 59:33 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 59:33 No problems. Zero pain.

Bas Rutten 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:35 Throwing full punches, zero pain.

Bas Rutten 59:37 Nice.

Joe Rogan 59:38 No problem. Pull a 90-pound bow back, no problem. No, no issues at all.

Bas Rutten 59:42 Nice.

Joe Rogan 59:42 And this was that close to getting cut. And now it doesn't a- n- it doesn't bother me at all. I mean, there's, like, nothing wrong with it. Like, there's nothing.

Bas Rutten 59:50 It's so wild, right?

Joe Rogan 59:51 Crazy.

Bas Rutten 59:51 Sometimes the, the, the wildest thing that I one time had was that I had a really, uh, my, uh, oh, the, the little pinkie is thicker because I hit somebody's hip, like in a, in a karate gi, hit a hip. And it was before a fight. So I'm c- arriving at the, at the bankers, uh, for fighting, um, and, uh, the, the, the, the judge, who was, the judge was a really good freaking body mechanic guy. He, I mean, ev- ev- everybody from around the world would go to that guy to have him, uh, look at him. Because they w- he was just really good with, uh, with tai chi and whatever he did, uh, what is it? Acupressure, all that kinda stuff. And he went to me and he says, "Okay, uh, give me your hand." I relaxed it, and he pushed on three spots. I was like, "Ah, shit, shit, shit." He goes, "No, just..." And he wiped it out. He does it again. I go, "Okay." Tap, tap, tap. He says, "Okay, how is it now?" And I go like... (fists thudding) I go, do... It's com- completely gone. Like, zero pain. Not even a, a hint of it. And he just opened up the pain blockages that he said, that, uh, he was pressing. And he was on the money, man. He's t- go, go, "Ow, ow, ow." And the second time was already less, and the third time, he says, "That should be good now." I go, "Wow." That's so weird.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Right.

Bas Rutten 1:01:00 (taps chest) Nothing. Zero.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 That's so weird.

Bas Rutten 1:01:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 What is it like now to rely on your left hand? 'Cause now you're thinking about, if you're gonna fuck somebody up, you're gonna left-hand them. You're not gonna throw a straight right anymore.

Bas Rutten 1:01:10 Well, no, no, no. My pr-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 No problem?

Bas Rutten 1:01:11 My biceps, triceps still work.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Oh!

Bas Rutten 1:01:13 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Okay.

Bas Rutten 1:01:14 I will knock you out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:01:17 And my, and my uppercuts is gonna be make-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 So, the punch, the punches is still good? The uppercut-

Bas Rutten 1:01:20 Oh, yeah. The uppercuts more of an issue? The uppercuts a little less.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Right.

Bas Rutten 1:01:22 Yeah, a little less because the shoulder-

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 And the shoulder a little less.

Bas Rutten 1:01:23 ... but the shoulder also came back. Also the hook. You know, I, I tell people when I'm, I'm, I'm doing, uh, shadow boxing, I say, "Don't look at my right arm, because it's probably gonna be a little off."

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Mm-hmm.

Bas Rutten 1:01:31 "Look at the left, what I'm doing." But no, my crosses are there, so thankfully my triceps came back.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Maybe in 12 more years-

Bas Rutten 1:01:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 ... you got a full bicep.

Bas Rutten 1:01:38 I- i- who knows?

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Well, I mean, maybe less.

Bas Rutten 1:01:40 I don't even focus on it anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 If, I mean, if they figure out some way to fix... I mean, it's just, like, the, the medical, uh, the advances that are happening are so magical.

Bas Rutten 1:01:48 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 It's really, really incredible time.

Bas Rutten 1:01:50 It's, doesn't stop. There's whole talks with the, uh, uh, Mr. Kaku you had, you know, with the, the quantum computers and all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Michio Kaku, yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:01:59 And it's all gonna be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:02:01 ... probably in our bodies, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:02:03 It's... something like that eventually is going to happen.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Yeah.... what do you think about that, boss? (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:02:08 I'm, uh, I'm very scared of that because they can hack me then.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Yeah. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:02:12 I don't think if you-

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 I know. That's... I like how you go right to that.

Bas Rutten 1:02:17 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:02:18 That's what I would do if I'm bad guy. I would go hack him.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 That's a real problem.

Bas Rutten 1:02:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 It's a real problem because that's what the, I think, the people that control the world, they would ge- genuine- genuinely like to have a one-world government, one economy that the entire world shares, a digital currency that goes with the social credit schism.

Bas Rutten 1:02:36 Yep, so they can turn it off and on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 And, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with you.

Bas Rutten 1:02:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 BJ Penn just made some, uh, some qu- post about that. If you have an electric car and you get arrested or if they're looking for you, they can literally tell your electric car to drive to the police station.

Bas Rutten 1:02:52 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Yeah.

Bas Rutten 1:02:53 Yeah. No.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Fuck that.

Bas Rutten 1:02:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:02:56 I would never go full electric. I don't think it's, uh... You know, if it, if you have... Get an electric but also get gas on the side.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah. I have, I have an electric car that I love. I have a Tesla and it's fucking magic.

Bas Rutten 1:03:06 Oh, yeah. It's the best.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 The speed of that thing is magic.

Bas Rutten 1:03:08 Yeah, 2.3, right? Or something, this thing. It's insanity.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Oh, I have... It's, it's, uh, faster. I think it's like... What is the, what is the, the Plaid zero to 60? It's fucking insane. It's 1,100 horsepower.

Bas Rutten 1:03:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 It's so fast, it's so fun.

Bas Rutten 1:03:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 I mean, and it's so quiet. It just, like, I l-... That's my calm car. It's my, my car that I love when I just wanna just... When I wanna drive to work and just, just chill out and think and listen to music, I drive that car 'cause it just makes no sound, just... (whooshing)

Bas Rutten 1:03:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 (whooshing)

Bas Rutten 1:03:35 That's super power.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 Super p- And it... But it's very safe too in that if you have to merge on the highway, you just hit the gas. (whooshing)

Bas Rutten 1:03:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 It's like it's your... You're teleporting.

Bas Rutten 1:03:46 (whooshing)

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 I love that car.

Bas Rutten 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 I love it so much. It's so good. There's not a lot of things that they have a weird steering wheel. It has a... The yoke steering wheel.

Bas Rutten 1:03:53 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 So it's not a wheel, but now they offer it in a wheel. So they fixed the nu- number one problem I have with it.

Bas Rutten 1:03:58 You still have to keep your hands on it for at least a minute, uh, like, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Oh, to do a, a auto driving?

Bas Rutten 1:04:02 Yeah, because people-

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 Yes.

Bas Rutten 1:04:04 ... hang weights on it or something. I hear that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 I don't fuck with that.

Bas Rutten 1:04:06 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 I don't fuck with the auto driving.

Bas Rutten 1:04:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 I, I mess around with it every now and then just for fun.

Bas Rutten 1:04:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 But I never let it drive me around.

Bas Rutten 1:04:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 I, I keep my hands on it.

Bas Rutten 1:04:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Do, do you fuck around with it, Jamie? You got the full auto drive, right? You got that beta, right?

Narrator 1:04:17 Sometimes here and there, like not (clears throat) just for, like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Yeah.

Narrator 1:04:21 ... if I'm on a 10-minute drive, I would maybe use it for four minutes of that 10-minute drive or so.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 It's not ready for prime time yet.

Narrator 1:04:26 I'm not... Ah, who?

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Yeah.

Narrator 1:04:28 I'm not fucking... Yeah. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:04:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 But the thing is the way Teslas work, Tesla has the absolute most advanced auto driving that's ever existed, and they're getting information from all these vehicles and improving upon it with every iteration. So they're always getting these software updates. They're constantly working on them. These engineers are fucking wizards.

Bas Rutten 1:04:48 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 And they're making it better and better. And it does drive really nice, but I like to drive.

Bas Rutten 1:04:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 You know? Like I, like I drove my, uh, 1993 Porsche today. It doesn't have power steering. It doesn't have a radio. It doesn't have air conditioning. It doesn't have jack shit.

Bas Rutten 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 And it's air cooled. It just... (imitating engine revving)

Bas Rutten 1:05:07 (laughs) But it's fun.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Oh my God, it's not even fast.

Bas Rutten 1:05:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 It's so much slower than my Tesla. But my God, it's a th- it's a visceral experience. Like, your whole body feels it when you drive it. It's like... (imitating engine revving)

Bas Rutten 1:05:20 (laughs) It's fun. It's exciting.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Oh, I love that stuff.

Bas Rutten 1:05:26 I love it. I love it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Yeah, '93, this when I started fighting. Imagine that. That's how old I am. Wow.

Bas Rutten 1:05:31 I'm a freaking fossil.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 I remember in 90... I think it was '94 or '95, uh, I watched Pedro Rizzo work out at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu.

Bas Rutten 1:05:41 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 And that was when I realized how hard someone can kick you in the legs.

Bas Rutten 1:05:45 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 I watched him kick the heavy bag and I don't think there's ever been-

Bas Rutten 1:05:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 I've never seen a human ever, in all my day, I've seen a lot of people kick-

Bas Rutten 1:05:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 I've never seen a human kick harder than Ped- Pedro Rizzo.

Bas Rutten 1:05:56 Oh, he's an animal because he's got technique and he's got the weight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 And he's got these giant-

Bas Rutten 1:06:00 He's got freaking-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 ... fucking legs.

Bas Rutten 1:06:01 Legs, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Oh my God.

Bas Rutten 1:06:03 Yeah, yeah, kick kicked by him is not fun.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 He was, he was kicking the bag and I remember thinking-

Bas Rutten 1:06:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 ... I'm a... One of those.

Bas Rutten 1:06:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 Just one. I remember when he fought Rigo- Rico Rodriguez. He kicked Rico once and Rico was... He had to look at his face. He's like-

Bas Rutten 1:06:15 (laughs) Yeah, yeah. What the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 "What the fuck is that?"

Bas Rutten 1:06:17 Freaking thank heaven.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah, look at that. Look, he spins somebody around. (laughs)

Bas Rutten 1:06:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 That dude caught air. Pedro Rizzo, uh, uh, Dan Severin fought him too.

Bas Rutten 1:06:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 He stopped Dan Severin with leg kicks. I mean, his, his fucking leg kicks were insane. I mean, uh, Randy Couture, when he fought him, like, they, they had to really convince Randy to, to fight him a second time and, you know, he had, he had battered his fucking legs. Kevin Randleman too.

Bas Rutten 1:06:43 Great talent, man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 Oh, yeah. He knocked out Josh Barnett too and it was a lot of that.