JRE MMA Show #152 with Sean Brady

1. 0:00 – 1:37

   Fighter life: constant injuries, training three-a-days, and the myth of “rolling light”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All right. Well, what's up?

   2. SBSean Brady0:13

      What's going on, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

   4. SBSean Brady0:14

      Thank you for having me, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      So we were just talking about injuries. Like, uh ...

   6. SBSean Brady0:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... the life of a fighter.

   8. SBSean Brady0:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      There's always ... You always have something wrong, right?

   10. SBSean Brady0:22

       (laughs) Yeah. It's, uh, it's rough. Like, especially for someone m- Like, I'm getting a little bit older now and I'm being smarter, but like, I was training, I still kind of do, like almost three times a day. So like, I would do a morning skill session, an afternoon run or an afternoon strength session, and then another skill session at night. And I did that for 10 plus years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Wow.

   12. SBSean Brady0:45

       So, but I, but I love it, though. So, um, but I'm finding now, like I'm find- trying to find that balance of like, if it's a hard morning, like MMA, like sparring session, nighttime will be jujitsu, and I'll try to make it light. But you know how that like, you drill-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Right.

   14. SBSean Brady0:58

       ... then you start rolling. And when you're rolling hard, it's almost just as ... I get injured sometimes more during jujitsu, so ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       The whole rolling light is-

   16. SBSean Brady1:07

       It doesn't happen.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Never happens. (laughs)

   18. SBSean Brady1:09

       I was telling my wife, 'cause my hand, I was coming out here, I was like, "Maybe I can go and I can just like drill with Gordon and those guys." She was like, "You ain't fucking drilling with no ... If you guys start rolling light, like there ain't, there's not gonna be any of that."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       (laughs)

   20. SBSean Brady1:22

       And I'm like, "You're 100% right."

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Yeah.

   22. SBSean Brady1:24

       So yeah. All-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       That's smart, though.

   24. SBSean Brady1:27

       Yeah, I'm-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       That's like-

   26. SBSean Brady1:27

       And I'm-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       ... smarter Sean, like older.

   28. SBSean Brady1:29

       100%.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Yeah.

   30. SBSean Brady1:30

       And that's where, like before I was like, "Nah, fuck that. Like, I'm going, I'm gonna go hard," and then I'd be injured.
2. 1:37 – 3:03

   When you ignore an injury: chronic problems, torn groins, and getting surgeries only when necessary

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:37

      But the problem with injuries is, if you don't give them respect, they get chronic. They just, they just ...

   2. SBSean Brady1:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      They, they ... If ... There's so many guys that have a, an injury, and they try to train through it.

   4. SBSean Brady1:47

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      And it just gets worse and worse and worse.

   6. SBSean Brady1:49

      Yep.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      And then instead of being out for six weeks, now you're out for six months.

   8. SBSean Brady1:52

      And that was me after my Belal fight. So I came home from Abu Dhabi. I didn't have any injuries. I wanted to get back and I wanted to get that taste out of my mouth. So I'm back training, I'm back running, and then I started to feel that pain I was telling you about. And I literally just kept running. Like, I would run, once I was warmed up, like you know how it is, you warm up, the injuries kinda go away. Like, you feel good until you cool down. And I did that for a couple of months, and I had a fight scheduled and I tore my groin.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      Mm-hmm.

   10. SBSean Brady2:20

       And then I rescheduled the fight. I did my rehab, and the s- first week back of training, it tore again. So ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Mm.

   12. SBSean Brady2:27

       It was a shitty road.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       Have you had any surgeries?

   14. SBSean Brady2:31

       I've been ... I had my deviated septum done. Obviously, they didn't fix the outside, 'cause this shit's fucked up.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       (laughs)

   16. SBSean Brady2:36

       But, uh, (laughs) besides that, like, I broke my thumb. I never had a knee, never had any sh- ... So I've been pretty lucky with no surgeries, but a lot of injuries.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Isn't the deviated septum one amazing?

   18. SBSean Brady2:47

       When I got it done, and they ... When you have to have those things in your nose for a week, though.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Yeah.

   20. SBSean Brady2:51

       As soon as they pull them out, you feel like a new human. Like ... (inhales)

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       It's like, ah.

   22. SBSean Brady2:56

       Oh, it's the best.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       It's incredible.

   24. SBSean Brady2:57

       It's the best.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       I never knew, like how much cardio I was missing ...

   26. SBSean Brady3:01

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       ... not being able to breathe out of my nose.

   28. SBSean Brady3:03

       Mm-hmm.

3. 3:03 – 7:39

   Breathing, sleep, and recovery: deviated septum fixes, mouth tape, CBD, Oura, and Eight Sleep

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      I ... Look at like Dricus.

   2. SBSean Brady3:04

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      Like du Plessis.

   4. SBSean Brady3:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      When he got his nose fixed, like he used to always fight with his mouth open.

   6. SBSean Brady3:10

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:10

      And people thought he was out of shape.

   8. SBSean Brady3:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:12

      And the guy just can't breathe out of his nose.

   10. SBSean Brady3:14

       Yeah. I think at some point, though, you have to open up your mouth, obviously, like ... But I do all my zone two now on the Echo Bike, mouth closed, like ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Mm-hmm.

   12. SBSean Brady3:21

       And now I just started doing, um, mouth tape. When I sleep, my fucking, my recovery on like my Oura Ring went through the roof, just-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Just from mouth tape?

   14. SBSean Brady3:28

       Just from mouth tape, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       You use like hostage tape?

   16. SBSean Brady3:30

       Um, I had this one called Dream-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Yeah.

   18. SBSean Brady3:33

       ... that I got, but hostage, it's the same, it's the same thing.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Does it fuck with you with the mustache, though?

   20. SBSean Brady3:36

       No. I mean ...

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Sometimes if I have like too much facial hair, it doesn't stick that good.

   22. SBSean Brady3:40

       My buddy Simon was saying that, uh, 'cause he had some like cheap one, he was like, he was like, "Doesn't it bother you when you pull it off?" I'm like, "Yeah, a little bit, but ..."

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       No, I don't mean that. I mean it doesn't stick good.

   24. SBSean Brady3:49

       Oh, no. Th- these ones, they stick good.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Yeah?

   26. SBSean Brady3:51

       Like, you have to, you have to pull it off, yeah. The cheap ones just fall right off.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       Mm-hmm.

   28. SBSean Brady3:54

       Like, I'd wake up and it'd be like on my fucking shoulder.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       Right, right.

   30. SBSean Brady3:57

       Yeah. But, uh-
4. 7:39 – 8:09

   Overtraining vs skill time: HRV obsession, MMA’s ‘too many disciplines,’ and finding sustainable volume

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:39

      It's really funny, that balance between... Like, especially when someone's just completely obsessed. Like, I was r- listening to this, uh, or watching this video where Craig Jones was talking about when he was training, especially when he was first starting out, he was training every day.

   2. SBSean Brady7:52

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:53

      And he went to a doctor, and the doctor's like, "Y- you, like, might have cancer."

   4. SBSean Brady7:57

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:57

      Like, "You might have a serious illness."

   6. SBSean Brady7:58

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:59

      Like, "What's wrong with your body?"

   8. SBSean Brady8:00

      Yeah. Yeah (laughs) .

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:00

      And it really was just that he was just worn out.

   10. SBSean Brady8:02

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       He was completely over-trained.

   12. SBSean Brady8:04

       Yeah. And with MMA, like, we just have so many things we have to cover.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       Yeah.

5. 8:09 – 13:38

   Smarter strength & conditioning: trap bars, belt squats, Louie Simmons, and fight-specific leg endurance

   1. SBSean Brady8:09

      Like, we have to do boxing, we have to do wrestling, we have to do Muay Thai. And then I'm big into, like, strength and conditioning, so I have to lift, I have to get a... Uh, but that's something I've gotten better with. I lift three days a week now. I have, um, (clicks tongue) a strength coach that works with the, with the Eagles. His name's Gabe. And he's like, "Well, we go in, we warm up, like, we're doing all this shit." I'm like, "Fuck, like, I don't wanna do this." But now, like, I love it. Like, it's, like, just getting me more athletic, and it's more just, like, GPP, just keeping me prepared and just getting me ready for my MMA sessions, and just keeping me strong. Like, we do trap bar deadlifts. Um, we do front squats. Like, I don't get crazy with, like, a- like, a lot of the lifts I used to do. Like, I used to want to lift like a fucking power lifter. I'd be benching and straight bar deadlifts and back squats. I'm like, "I don't get... That's not what we do," you know? So...

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:53

      Why did you get into that, initially? Was it just for jiu-jitsu, just strength, just-

   3. SBSean Brady8:56

      I, um, I started off lifting before I started MMA. So, I started training when I was, like, 16, but I started off lifting at, like, my local r- like, rec center. Like, just benching every day, and then I really got into lifting. And I would squ- like, I would have the squat bench deadlift. Like, trying to get my numbers up, and then eventually I kept hurting my back. I was, like, 21 years old with a wrecked back. So, now I just do trap bar deadlifts. No more straight bar, anything like that. So...

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:19

      Hmm.

   5. SBSean Brady9:20

      Um, I think the straight, like, the straight bar just puts you in, like, a bad position, whereas the trap bar puts you in, like, a more natural position to squat down-

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:27

      Mm-hmm.

   7. SBSean Brady9:27

      ... and lift. And you can still put on some good weight on there, so it does, it does the job for me.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:32

      Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that deadlifts are just not worth it.

   9. SBSean Brady9:36

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       There's just, like-

   11. SBSean Brady9:37

       N-

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       ... the, the amount of possibility, the-

   13. SBSean Brady9:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       ... the possibility of-

   15. SBSean Brady9:40

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       ... injury in your back.

   17. SBSean Brady9:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       That there's other ways to str-... Like, we were... You, you saw that machine. We had the belt squat machine.

   19. SBSean Brady9:45

       Belt squat's the best.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       Which is such a great machine-

   21. SBSean Brady9:47

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       ... for your legs. I mean-

   23. SBSean Brady9:48

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       ... it just puts all the weight on your hips.

   25. SBSean Brady9:50

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       You're not compressing your spine at all.

   27. SBSean Brady9:53

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       And yet you can get, like, big numbers hit.

   29. SBSean Brady9:54

       Yeah, you don't have that bar on your back.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       Yeah.
6. 13:38 – 19:10

   Weight cutting and rehydration: being on weight the night before, UFC PI macros, and the IV debate

   1. SBSean Brady13:38

      And now, we all walk around close to 200 pounds, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:42

      Isn't that wild?

   3. SBSean Brady13:44

      It's closer to under... Like, I cut from... Fight week I show up, I'm 190 pounds.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:48

      What's the heaviest you ever get?

   5. SBSean Brady13:49

      I used to get heavy, like I'd be like 205. But when I was younger, I would go out after a fight and celebrate and eat like shit and drink now. Like, I don't drink. I don't drink alcohol, I don't eat bad. Like, I a- I ate a bad Sunday the day I got home from Austin with my wife, and I felt like a piece of shit. Like, I go so hard, I'm like, "I never wanna feel like this again." So, now, uh, like 195, 197's like the heaviest I'll get.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:13

      That was a big win for you though. You need to celebrate that one.

   7. SBSean Brady14:15

      Yeah, that was... Yeah, it was. But I- I needed it. I needed to get back and, uh, I got into it. But 195, um, like 10% body fat, like that's where my DEXA scan's at, and that's where I feel great, like 195. And then I'll slowly get down to 190 and that's where I start my, like, actual water cut from. So, I- they weighed me in the back at that fight, I was 193 right before I fought Kelvin, so-

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:36

      Really?

   9. SBSean Brady14:37

      I put on three-

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       So, you put 23 pounds on?

   11. SBSean Brady14:38

       Twenty-three, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       Wow.

   13. SBSean Brady14:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       That's nuts. How bad do you feel when you step on that scale?

   15. SBSean Brady14:43

       Not that ba- I- this last one was my ei- I was on weight the night before.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:47

       Really?

   17. SBSean Brady14:47

       I had, um, I had, like, probably three bo- like three liters of water that day before I even went to sleep. So-

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       Wow.

   19. SBSean Brady14:53

       ... I woke up, I was 178 on Thursday. I went to the sauna. We went to, like, a fucking LA Fitness right by us. I cut eight pounds by accident. I cut all my weight. I weighed myself in an hour, I was on weight. So, I hit up... I work with Charles from, uh, The PI, like they're the best.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Mm-hmm.

   21. SBSean Brady15:08

       Hit him up, told him what happened. He was like, "Hey," like gave me the exact amounts to drink, and I was drinking and eating all on Thursday. I think I put back on four pounds. I went to the sauna that night, I cut all of it in 30 minutes. I was a- I'm always on weight the night before. I never ever wanna wake up and know I have to go cut weight, 'cause those sweats are so hard to- to break. Like, when your body fat's that low, to break that first sweat, like, it's fucking hard. So, I like to get on the night before and just be done with it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       There's different schools of thought. Some guys like to just have a good night sleep-

   23. SBSean Brady15:41

       They don't wanna be-

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... 'cause they say they can't sleep when they're cutting.

   25. SBSean Brady15:43

       Yeah. I feel like you're already, like you're already into that cut though, so you're al- like if you're gonna sleep bad, like you're gonna s- I think you're gonna sleep bad regardless. So, I'd just rather not have that stress of like, "Fuck, I gotta wake up and c-" I know guys who wake up, they cut 10, 15 pounds. But that's how we used to do it when the weigh-ins were at six o'clock.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Yeah.

   27. SBSean Brady15:59

       'Cause you had all that time. Now, they're at nine. So, I try to sleep till 7:00, get up, and then you have to be over there by 8:00, 8:30, try to be one of the first ones on the scale, and then just start hammering those-

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Right.

   29. SBSean Brady16:11

       ... hammering those liquids back in.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       I wish they would let people do IVs. I feel like if you're gonna l- allow people to have these massive cuts-
7. 19:10 – 21:09

   Supplements, peptides, and anti-doping: what’s allowed, commission rules, and USADA quality-of-life issues

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:10

      And do they provide you guys with supplements? Because I know that-

   2. SBSean Brady19:13

      Thorne.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:14

      Thorne.

   4. SBSean Brady19:14

      Yup.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:14

      Okay, so it's all set up for you.

   6. SBSean Brady19:16

      Yup, yeah, so if you want all Thorne, like now we have an app that we go on, and we can put in, um, an order every month that we want. So they do a lot of good shit for us, like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:25

      What are you not, like what are you not allowed to take? You're allowed to take creatine, right?

   8. SBSean Brady19:29

      Creatine, yeah, so-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:30

      Creatine's okay?

   10. SBSean Brady19:30

       Any supplement that's third-party tested, so I use this company called Allmax. They have some things that are third-party tested and some things that aren't, so all the things that are third-party, I think it's Informed Choice. So Informed Choice, BSCG, like I take Shroom Tech from own it. You guys have BSCG. I can take-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       Yeah.

   12. SBSean Brady19:47

       I can take that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       Right.

   14. SBSean Brady19:48

       Um, but if it didn't, I could, like you, you can take it, but now it's at your own risk. So anything that's third-party tested, we're good to go.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       Hmm.

   16. SBSean Brady19:57

       Um, but I thought going into this now like we'd be able to do more stuff, and all they, like I was asking, uh, Jeff about, I text Jeff Novitzky, and I was asking about peptides.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:07

       Mm-hmm.

   18. SBSean Brady20:07

       Like I just wanted to see, like maybe for my hand or any, like just any injuries, I'm like, "Are we gonna be allowed to take this?" And it's an absolute no, regardless.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       Yeah, I was talking to them about that too, and as well as the new guy from Drug Free Sport.

   20. SBSean Brady20:19

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       I forget his name. Um, but, uh, the, the guy was taking over for USADA, and they were saying no because peptides, that you'll get popped for it at each individual, um, commission.

   22. SBSean Brady20:29

       Yup, yup.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       So if you're in Florida-

   24. SBSean Brady20:31

       Yup.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       ... and they don't allow it-

   26. SBSean Brady20:32

       Yup.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       ... and you test there, the Florida commission will pop you for it.

   28. SBSean Brady20:35

       Yeah, 'cause I was asking him, he said, uh, even if they didn't allow it, he said all the states, like they won't give you, it's called a TUE, some kind of exemption, and they said none of them would do it. So I'm like, "All right, well, just good to know." Not to-

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:46

       Yeah.

   30. SBSean Brady20:46

       But like stem cells and stuff like that-
8. 21:09 – 31:01

   Staying home in Philly: Marquez MMA, tight-knit camps, and chaotic COVID-era fight logistics

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:09

      So do you ever do a camp at the PI, or do your camps all in Philly?

   2. SBSean Brady21:12

      No, I've done all my camps in Philly, and that's something like that I'm super like proud and happy about. Like I'm born and raised in Philly. I never left. Um, we have a small team. It's called Marquez MMA. We have like six guys in UFC right now. We have me, Joey Pifer, Pat Sabatini, um, Andrei Petroski, Jeremiah Wells, so like we have a-

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:31

      That's a great crew.

   4. SBSean Brady21:32

      We got a good, we got a good squad. We had Paul Felder, um. Paul was like one of the first guys out of Philly besides I do, I train with Eddie Alvarez, so like we, we s- we have a good, uh, good group of Philly guys, so-

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:42

      That's nice.

   6. SBSean Brady21:43

      Yeah, when I, um, I fought Christian Aguilera, and I put him to sleep with a guillotine. Eddie was my main training partner 'cause it was during COVID. He was fighting for ONE FC. No one was training, and he hit me up. He was like, "Yo, are you guys training?" I was like, "Fuck yeah, we're training." We had all of our windows like ducked, 'cause in Philly, like you weren't, like they were shutting shit down, and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:00

      Yeah.

   8. SBSean Brady22:01

      But we all had fights, so we're, we're like, "We're fucking training." So-

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      Yeah.

   10. SBSean Brady22:04

       Me and Eddie got super close during that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       When Cormier fought, um, Stipe, he got COVID during camp and just trained right through it.

   12. SBSean Brady22:12

       Yup.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Just kept going, so-

   14. SBSean Brady22:13

       I fought, um, first time when you interviewed me, and you weren't even in the cage, it was when they were still doing-

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       Oh, that was ridiculous.

   16. SBSean Brady22:19

       It was, uh, Jake Matthews. I had COVID two weeks before the fight.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Remember that? How crazy that was? You just had a fucking cage fight. So you're on top of each other, sweating-

   18. SBSean Brady22:28

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       ... and pounding on each other.

   20. SBSean Brady22:29

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Everyone's tested.

   22. SBSean Brady22:30

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       I'm tested. All the announcers are tested.

   24. SBSean Brady22:32

       Yup.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       All the referees are tested, and we still couldn't be next to each other when I interviewed you.

   26. SBSean Brady22:36

       Yup, well-

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       That was so dumb.

   28. SBSean Brady22:38

       So I had COVID two weeks before that. No se- only symptoms I had were I lost my taste and my smell, which that fucking sucks.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       For food, right?

   30. SBSean Brady22:46

       Food, and like I love drinking coffee, especially when you're in camp, and you're cutting weight, like that's the only like thing you really get to enjoy. So, um, I get to, I get to fight week, show up, 'cause I tested negative before I got there. I let the UFC know. I get there. I take my first test. They, and so when you were getting tested, they would call, you get a text, "You're good to go to work." All my coaches sitting around me all got their texts at 7:00 AM. My phone never goes off. I'm like, "Fuck." I'm like, "Something's not right." I get a phone call. They're like, "Hey, like you tested positive." I'm like, I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no." Like I had, like so I sent them my results. Like it was a false, it was a false, um, false positive. So luckily I sent them all my stuff and let them know I had COVID two weeks ago. So like everything obviously went through, but like if I didn't do that, they would've canceled my fight right there.
9. 31:01 – 38:01

   Grappling superfights and leg-lock realities: Craig Jones match, no heel hooks, and why you must tap

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:01

      When you do something like that, like, so you're one of the most promising welterweight contenders in the sport, you know? As your career progresses, you'll probably get a shot at a title within the next couple of years. Taking a grappling match is, that's a risky move.

   2. SBSean Brady31:17

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:17

      Especially against a world-class guy-

   4. SBSean Brady31:19

      It-

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:19

      ... like Craig Jones.

   6. SBSean Brady31:19

      Yeah. Well, it's funny because, so only thing Craig couldn't do in that match, he couldn't heel hook me, but he could, uh, straight knee bar me, straight ankle lock me, anything besides heel hooks. So, after the match, like people-

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:32

      Is that your idea? Did you say that?

   8. SBSean Brady31:33

      No, that was Fu- that's the UFC's. So, Fury was working with the UFC and they're like, the UFC told them like, "Hey, all UFC guys, just no heel hooks." Even like Aldo just did that match for them, and the only thing they couldn't do was no heel hooks. So, I mean-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:45

      Just because of the likelihood of tearing.

   10. SBSean Brady31:47

       Yeah, yeah. But like, a leg locker like Craig or anyone else, like you still have all those other submissions you can do. So-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Right.

   12. SBSean Brady31:52

       ... it's not like you're getting handicapped that fucking bad where, like, people were giving me shit online like, "Oh, you had a handicap on this and that." I'm like, I was like, "I'm a UFC fighter." Like, this was the rules. I didn't, like, he-

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       You didn't make the rules.

   14. SBSean Brady32:04

       You could knee bar me, you could straight ankle lock me, you could do all these other things. So... You could toe hold me, but yeah. But I like that they don't do the heel hooks. I think-

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       Yeah, it is a risky one, man. I mean, how many guys have ripped a knee apart with heel hooks?

   16. SBSean Brady32:16

       Oh. Oh, yeah. It's bad.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       A lot.

   18. SBSean Brady32:17

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       A lot.

   20. SBSean Brady32:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       Did you see that Mikey Musumeci one in ONE FC where the guy wouldn't tap?

   22. SBSean Brady32:21

       Horrible.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:22

       (gasps)

   24. SBSean Brady32:23

       Horrible.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       Oh. Dude, I can't watch that one. He ripped that guy's knee apart.

   26. SBSean Brady32:28

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       I don't know how that guy's doing-

   28. SBSean Brady32:29

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       ... right now.

   30. SBSean Brady32:30

       He's probably not doing well (laughs) .
10. 38:01 – 42:54

    Training safety and equipment: trusted sparring, headgear tradeoffs, and Trevor Wittman’s glove design

    1. SBSean Brady38:01

       And that, and (sighs) even if you don't get knocked out, like, you're fucking getting hit in your head. You might not be going out, but, like, I definitely left practice before, and I'm like, "Damn," like, "I'm fuzzy." You know?

    2. JRJoe Rogan38:12

       Mm-hmm.

    3. SBSean Brady38:12

       Like guys are definitely... And like, we're pretty controlled. Like, I only go with guys I trust too. Like, and that's something I think a lot of guy- you have to do. Like, guys I only trust... I'm like, "Don't..." Like, yeah, injuries can happen, but, like, I'm not, I'm not gonna try to knock you out. You're not gonna try to knock me out, and you have that, like, agreement.

    4. JRJoe Rogan38:27

       Right.

    5. SBSean Brady38:27

       'Cause that's how, like, a small team, like our team, like... All of us came up in the same gym. Like, we all tr- we only have, like... We have one head coach. We just brought in D- like, Dean... I'm working with Dean Thomas now, but like-

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:37

       I love Dean.

    7. SBSean Brady38:38

       The best.

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:39

       He's the man.

    9. SBSean Brady38:39

       He comes, he's coming down to Philly all the time. He was in my corner for that fight, and, uh, great addition to the team, but he loves our team. 'Cause we're a small team, but we just fucking... We just grind and we just want everyone to keep getting better. But, um, John Marquez is our head coach, and like, we go hard, but now, like, if it gets out of control, like, he steps right in and shuts that shit down. Um, we're all-

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:59

        That's great.

    11. SBSean Brady38:59

        We're all wearing headgear now. I got this, uh... I fucking hate headgear though, 'cause I just feel like you get hit more.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:04

        Right.

    13. SBSean Brady39:05

        So I got headgear from Onyx, and it's the small one, and it's, it's thin. You can actually see, like it's-

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:10

        So it's Trevor Wittman's.

    15. SBSean Brady39:11

        Yep.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:11

        Yeah.

    17. SBSean Brady39:11

        I hit up, I hit them up and, uh, they sent it right out to me, and it's good. Like, 'cause you can grapple with it.

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:16

        He makes the best shit.

    19. SBSean Brady39:17

        Best shit.

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:17

        The best shit, the best gloves.

    21. SBSean Brady39:18

        They sent me gloves and I was like, "Yo, can I get your MMA gloves?" Like, "I'll pay whatever it costs," and Gaethje was like, "Nah, they're not, they're not out yet." I'm like, "All right, well, when they're out."

    22. JRJoe Rogan39:27

        Dude, the UFC, I don't know what happened, I don't know how it went wrong. But the UFC was talking to Trevor about using his MMA gloves.

    23. SBSean Brady39:36

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan39:36

        He has absolutely superior MMA gloves.

    25. SBSean Brady39:39

        Yeah, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan39:39

        They're the best.

    27. SBSean Brady39:40

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan39:41

        No one even comes close.

    29. SBSean Brady39:42

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan39:42

        And when you make a fist with those, it actually... It encourages a closed fist.
11. 42:54 – 54:15

    Kelvin Gastelum win: hand injury management, why Kelvin’s style matters, and camp workload psychology

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:54

       So, uh, you were telling me that you had, uh, hurt your hand in the Kelvin fight-

    2. SBSean Brady42:58

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:58

       ... but it's not a break.

    4. SBSean Brady42:59

       Not a break.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:59

       So it's just ... You're just trying to, like, let it rehab-

    6. SBSean Brady43:02

       Yeah. Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:02

       ... or re- recover.

    8. SBSean Brady43:03

       So I'm trying to ... And that's, like, me trying to be smart a little bit, at my older age of 31, there. I'm just trying to let it heal and, um ... Before I get b- ... I don't ... I just don't wanna start another training camp with an injury.

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:15

       Right.

    10. SBSean Brady43:15

        Whereas before I would do that, but, um ... Yeah, I'm just trying to be smart, like maybe get some, get some stem cells and, like, some shit like that-

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:21

        Yeah.

    12. SBSean Brady43:21

        ... and just take ... and just rest it.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:23

        Let me see if Brigham came ... got back to me. Uh, not yet.

    14. SBSean Brady43:27

        But y-

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        I'll call him. I'll call him-

    16. SBSean Brady43:28

        But y-

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:28

        ... when we get outta here.

    18. SBSean Brady43:28

        Yeah. Okay.

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:28

        But I, I think we can get in there.

    20. SBSean Brady43:30

        But, yeah, just, just rest. And, uh-

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:32

        Yeah.

    22. SBSean Brady43:32

        ... resting. But I can still ... I can still work on my kicks, I can still punch, and so ... Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:37

        You were always getting in training.

    24. SBSean Brady43:38

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        It was, it was something.

    26. SBSean Brady43:38

        Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        That was a big win for you, man. Kelvin, I, I really think, and I, I'd ... I've said this to Kelvin. I ... This is back when he was fighting at 85, after he knocked out Bisping. I was like, "Dude, I think you're a world champion at 170."

    28. SBSean Brady43:52

        Yeah. Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan43:52

        "I, I really do."

    30. SBSean Brady43:53

        Yes.
12. 54:15 – 58:30

    First loss lessons: Belal Muhammad fight, pressure of being undefeated, and the relief of letting it go

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       When you went to the Belal fight, l- l- were you, were you 13-0, 14-0?

    2. SBSean Brady54:19

       15.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:20

       15-0?

    4. SBSean Brady54:20

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:21

       Wow.

    6. SBSean Brady54:21

       Yeah, 15-0.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:23

       That's a bitter pill to swallow, right?

    8. SBSean Brady54:24

       Yeah, i- it sucked. Like, it was the w- like, I thought it was gonna be the worst thing that ever happened to me. And I kinda ... Going into that, like, I just didn't feel right. Like, travel ... I've, first time I've ever left the country. Like, I've never been outside of the United States or traveled there.All my coaches were getting sick. They were all f- like, super jet-lagged. And, um, all week I just kept having these, like, like, thought... I'm like, I'm like, "I'm gonna lose this fucking fight." And, uh, usually, like, you have those thoughts, but I couldn't, I couldn't, like, flip my mind back to like, "Yo, you're gonna win this shit." 'Cause you always have doubts, but I would hav- I was having dreams I was gonna lose. And I'm like, "Dude, like, I can't get this out of my head." And I told my wife, like the day before, I'm like, I was like, "I had a dream last night I lost." And, um, I thought when I lost, like, I thought being undefeated... Like, it gets tied to you. Like, everyone sees you. They're like, "You're gonna fucking be the champion. You're gonna stay undefeated. You're gonna re-" And, like, then you become, like, you're like, "Damn, like, I'm not even fighting to win this fight. I'm just fighting just to stay undefeated," if that makes sense. Like, I'm like, "I can't lose this record." And then, uh, in the fight, first round, like, it was real... Like, it was super competitive. I went back and watched it and I, I thought I did a lot better than I thought I did. And then in the second, like, I got clipped and I was, like, there the entire time, but I just, I just couldn't throw. I'm like, I was just like... I just kinda quit. Like, I was like, "I don't..." I was, I just didn't know what to do in that moment. And, um, that's the only time I ever quit on myself, like practice, anything. And, uh, ever since then, like, I started working with, uh, two mental performance coaches and I'm just like a completely different person now. But it's the best thing-

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:57

       So what did-

    10. SBSean Brady55:57

        ... that ever happened to me.

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        That's... A lot of times fighters say that. It's like you need to feel-

    12. SBSean Brady56:01

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:01

        ... the sting of defeat-

    14. SBSean Brady56:03

        The... I'm telling you, Joe-

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:04

        ... to refocus.

    16. SBSean Brady56:04

        ... the minute I lost, it felt like, like a fucking, like a bronco was lifted off my shoulders. Like, I was so, like... I was like, "Yo, like this is gonna be, this is gonna be the best thing that ever happened to me."

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:15

        Because the, just the pressure of being undefeated?

    18. SBSean Brady56:17

        Just let it go. Like, every time, like, I, I was going into a fight, I'm like... I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing, but I'm like, "I... If I lose my record, like, no one... Like, it's, it's over." And then I'm like, "It's one fucking fight." Like, I've won 15 fights in a row, I lost one fight. Like, it's not how it works. And I just thought, like... I just thought, like, my life was gonna, like, implode and it didn't, you know? Um, I had a hard... Like I said, I came home and I definitely trained way too hard because I wanted to come back and fight again, and I fucked myself up doing that. But that even gave me more time to sit and reflect with myself, and just get my shit right and realize like, like, it's not, it's not... It doesn't mean everything to be undefeated. Like, the best fighters in the world take losses.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:59

        Right.

    20. SBSean Brady56:59

        And, um, yeah. I n- I needed that for sure.

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:02

        Yeah. The only one who didn't is Jon, Jon Jones is the only one-

    22. SBSean Brady57:04

        And Khabib.

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:05

        ... who didn't.

    24. SBSean Brady57:05

        But if Khabib would've-

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:06

        And Khabib, right?

    26. SBSean Brady57:06

        If he would've stuck around long enough-

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:07

        Right.

    28. SBSean Brady57:08

        ... you know?

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:08

        Possibly.

    30. SBSean Brady57:09

        Um, so you never-
13. 58:30 – 1:12:15

    Welterweight and beyond: Colby vs Leon critique, weight-class realities, and when legends should retire

    1. SBSean Brady58:30

       I, uh, I wasn't super, um, like... I wasn't super impressed with that, uh, Colby-Leon fight.

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:36

       You weren't?

    3. SBSean Brady58:37

       No.

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:37

       What-

    5. SBSean Brady58:37

       Definitely not on Colby's side.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:39

       No.

    7. SBSean Brady58:39

       That-

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:39

       Not on Colby's side.

    9. SBSean Brady58:39

       That's the fight I- I-

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:40

        I was impressed with Leon.

    11. SBSean Brady58:41

        I want the, I want the Colby fight.

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:43

        I think that the problem in that Colby fight is Leon. He was so dangerous.

    13. SBSean Brady58:48

        Yeah. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        He was so sharp.

    15. SBSean Brady58:49

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan58:49

        He, he's so technical on his feet, and I think in that fight she was... You know? 'Cause Colby talked so much shit.

    17. SBSean Brady58:56

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan58:56

        I think he was really-

    19. SBSean Brady58:56

        The shit with his dad was fucked up.

    20. JRJoe Rogan58:57

        Fucked up, man.

    21. SBSean Brady58:57

        Like, you don't, uh, like... Say whatever you want about me, my team, whatever, but, like, you start talking about people's, like, their parents, their wives, their kids, especially if one of them's dead-

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:08

        Yeah.

    23. SBSean Brady59:08

        ... like, you're a fucking... Like, that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for. Like, you don't do shit like that. You know what I'm saying? So...

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:13

        Well, you know, that's Colby.

    25. SBSean Brady59:14

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan59:14

        He's the master at getting under people's skin.

    27. SBSean Brady59:17

        Yeah. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan59:17

        But I think in that fight it backfired.

    29. SBSean Brady59:18

        Yeah. And he looked... Like, I was watching and I'm like, "What the..." Like, I didn't know what was happening with him. Like, he just wasn't doing anything. And-

    30. JRJoe Rogan59:25

        No, he didn't look good.

Episode duration: 1:59:03