JRE MMA Show #19 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom, and we're live…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Boom, and we're live with my pal Vinnie Shearman and eight-time world Muay Thai champion Liam Harrison.

   2. LHLiam Harrison0:10

      Ah, thank you very much. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      Fuck yeah, dude.

   4. LHLiam Harrison0:12

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Great to be here. Great to see you guys too.

   6. VSVinny Shoreman0:13

      Yeah, we love it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Um, listen man, I'm a, I'm a big fan of all combat sports but I really believe that if there's one sport that doesn't get its due, it's Muay Thai. I really don't understand-

   8. VSVinny Shoreman0:23

      Anyway.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      ... why it hasn't taken off in America. I, I don't get it. I love boxing. Boxing's a lot of fun. I think Muay Thai is twice as fun.

   10. LHLiam Harrison0:31

       Yeah, it's twice as hard as well, I think. I mean, I fought pro boxing and I've had over a hundred Muay Thai fights. It's definitely a lot harder. I mean, it is getting more mainstream now along with the MMA because most of the top MMA fighters are doing Muay Thai for the standup, but it's still not where it needs to be-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, it's-

   12. LHLiam Harrison0:46

       Nowhere near.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... it's weird, right?

   14. VSVinny Shoreman0:48

       Yeah, I mean, (sighs) I think what puts a lot of people off, uh, Muay Thai is the, uh, maybe the two-minute break and also the, the-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Two-minute break in between rounds?

   16. VSVinny Shoreman0:58

       Yeah.

   17. LHLiam Harrison0:58

       Yeah.

   18. VSVinny Shoreman0:58

       And the traditional music and stuff like that. People find that hard to take too really, which is... Uh, I mean, I love it, so I don't see that problem but I can see outside the box with that as well, so...

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Well, I feel like the two-minute break gives guys more of a chance to recover-

   20. VSVinny Shoreman1:11

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       ... which makes the fights more exciting. You have more energy. And, uh, I don't care about the, the dance, the white crew. That doesn't bother me.

   22. VSVinny Shoreman1:18

       Yeah, but you're a fan, aren't ya? You're a martial arts fan. I mean, to sit down and watch with beers and...

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       I am, but watch baseball.

   24. VSVinny Shoreman1:22

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Baseball is so fucking boring.

   26. LHLiam Harrison1:23

       Yeah, exactly.

   27. VSVinny Shoreman1:24

       Grounders. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       It's crazy how boring it is.

   29. LHLiam Harrison1:26

       A lot of shows in England now, they've started to cut out the, all the traditional stuff. There's no runway, no white crew.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Right.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. What, what's unique…

   1. VSVinny Shoreman15:00

      well I haven't shown you that yet, but I will show you later on if you wish, is you, you anchor the gloves. So you anchor a positive state in the gloves and you push them together and you find Hakalau, and it just gets you in the... Well, you can explain that.

   2. LHLiam Harrison15:12

      Yeah. What, what's unique about these seminars is, and why I wanted to do them is, 'cause I've worked with him myself before and all the stuff that he's teaching and know... I know it works meself. Um, first time I used Vinnie is, uh, the story of how it all started. I fought a top level Thai called Anawat Kao-Samrek. He was nicknamed with Iron Hands of Siam. He had like an 80% KO ratio.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      (laughs)

   4. LHLiam Harrison15:31

      And I went to fight him in Jamaica. I knew I could beat him but there were a few aspects that just didn't go right with training and it didn't go right at the time. I don't like-

   5. VSVinny Shoreman15:37

      Michael Jackson died.

   6. LHLiam Harrison15:39

      Threw him off. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      Oh, did he?

   8. LHLiam Harrison15:41

      He did. He did. I'm not gonna lie.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      Really?

   10. LHLiam Harrison15:42

       That fucked my shit up. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Really? It fucked you up when Michael Jackson died?

   12. LHLiam Harrison15:46

       Oh, yeah, I'm a massive fan.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       (laughs)

   14. VSVinny Shoreman15:47

       (laughs)

   15. LHLiam Harrison15:47

       Anyw- every, everyone who knows me knows I'm a massive fan.

   16. VSVinny Shoreman15:49

       We like that. << He's out of my life >>

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       (laughs)

   18. LHLiam Harrison15:53

       (laughs)

   19. VSVinny Shoreman15:53

       (laughs)

   20. LHLiam Harrison15:53

       But I'm not, I'm not blaming Michael Jackson for losing that fight, listen.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       No, but you really were. You were a massive Michael Jackson fan. That's interesting.

   22. LHLiam Harrison15:59

       Oh, massive, massive, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       Did you ever come out to his fights? You ever have like walkout music?

   24. LHLiam Harrison16:02

       Yeah, like Smooth Criminal-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Ah!

   26. LHLiam Harrison16:02

       ... Bad guy. Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Nice!

   28. LHLiam Harrison16:04

       Of course. Um, but yeah-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Nice.

   30. LHLiam Harrison16:06

       I fought this Thai champion in Jamaica. Like I said, a few things didn't go right and he smashed me to pieces. It was the first time I ever got stopped. Um, I knew I could beat him though. I'm good at reading fighters. I knew I could beat him so I begged and begged and begged for the rematch and the promoter brought him about six months- seven months later, brought him to England. MEN Arena, massive show up, biggest show the country's ever seen. And Vinnie had spoke to me before in the past, said, "Do you ever want to do a little bit of work?" And I was fine, "I'm mentally strong, I'm mentally strong. I don't need to." But as you build up to that fight I thought, "You know what? I'm, I'm gonna train as hard as I always... As I've ever done before anyway," but there's no point, you can never be too prepared.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Do you cut weight?…

   1. LHLiam Harrison30:00

      have no energy. And they're like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Do you cut weight?

   3. LHLiam Harrison30:02

      Yeah, I used to cut a lot more than I do now. I... I... I might do about eight pounds now, but I might start the f- the fight, um, camp and be only 10 pounds over.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      But that's not... that's nothing crazy.

   5. LHLiam Harrison30:11

      No, not a lot at all.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Yeah.

   7. LHLiam Harrison30:12

      Um, my last four or five fights, the day before the weigh-in, I've been on weight without having to get in the sauna or without having to go run in the sweatsuit or anything like that. As I've got older, I've got wiser. Um-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:21

      Yeah. You real... you just realized it was draining you too much?

   9. LHLiam Harrison30:24

      Yeah, of course. Especially as I got older. When I was younger, I could get away with it. I might be able to get in the sauna and lose like three, four kilo at the weigh-in and still get in there and, and knock someone out or stop someone. But as I... I had a few mistakes as I got older as well, growing, where I missed weight, and it made me just think, "What am I doing here? Get on point with it." Um, because as soon as you start to do stuff like that, promoters don't wanna work with you.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Right.

   11. LHLiam Harrison30:43

       You get a bad rep. And, um, this were about seven, eight years ago now, and I haven't done it... I haven't done it since. I've made sure I've been on point with everything. To be honest, it's down to me- my missus a lot as well. She looks after me, um. She... and she goes out and works hard all day, but whenever I get in from gym, about half seven, eight o'clock, there's healthy food there for me and stuff. Um-

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       What, what kind of food do you eat? Do you, do you specify? I mean, do you have like a-

   13. LHLiam Harrison31:03

       Not really. A lot of people cut out carbs and stuff. I, I'm training so hard and sweating all day and burning so much calories in my PTs and stuff. I don't need to cut out my carbs, um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       That's a big factor. Like, people need to understand that when they're talking about low carb diets, it really dependent upon how much exercise you do.

   15. LHLiam Harrison31:17

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       If you're running twice a day and you're doing three-hour workouts in the afternoon, like, you're gonna need some carbohydrates.

   17. LHLiam Harrison31:23

       Yeah, exactly. I don't need to cut 'em out. Um, even in the last week, a lot of people have been saying, "Oh, it's last week, fight camp, weigh-ins coming up, I need to cut my carbs out." I'll still get up in the morning and have a massive bowl of porridge. I still have rice with my dinner and my fish and my salad and stuff like that as well. I don't need to cut it out. Um, but like I said, that's down to how much work I'm doing-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Yeah.

   19. LHLiam Harrison31:39

       ... and stuff like that, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:40

       The amount you're burning. I mean, Jesus Christ, the amount of calories you must be burning is insane.

   21. LHLiam Harrison31:44

       Well, I had my, I had my watch on the other day, and I think I'd done something like almost nearly 5,000 or something ridiculous, and I wore-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       5,000 calories?

   23. LHLiam Harrison31:50

       I wore it all day from me training and me PTs and stuff like that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       That's insane.

   25. LHLiam Harrison31:54

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       Just think about eating 5,000 calories a day.

   27. GUGuest31:57

       Yeah, exactly. You can't.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       You wanna throw up. (laughs)

   29. LHLiam Harrison31:57

       Yeah, yeah. You can't.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       (laughs) Yeah, that's crazy. So w- with... d- do you limit the amount of, uh, personal training you do because like-
4. 45:00 – 57:18

   (laughs) …

   1. VSVinny Shoreman45:00

      your left hand.

   2. LHLiam Harrison45:00

      (laughs)

   3. VSVinny Shoreman45:00

      If it is him, he better fucking listen up.

   4. LHLiam Harrison45:02

      If it is him, I, I, I'm sorry.

   5. VSVinny Shoreman45:03

      Yeah, he better listen up, man.

   6. LHLiam Harrison45:03

      Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. (laughs)

   7. VSVinny Shoreman45:04

      (laughs)

   8. LHLiam Harrison45:05

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      You're getting, you're getting hated on by six-year-olds. (laughs)

   10. LHLiam Harrison45:08

       (laughs)

   11. VSVinny Shoreman45:08

       (laughs) Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:09

       It's, um, I think i- it's interesting today too as opposed to in the past that you can watch videos like that.

   13. VSVinny Shoreman45:15

       Yeah.

   14. LHLiam Harrison45:15

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       And then, you know, before, you'd have to, like, watch a VHS tape and sit down and analyze it and pause it. Like, now you could be at a fucking bus stop on your phone and you could watch world-class fighters instantly.

   16. VSVinny Shoreman45:26

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Instantly.

   18. VSVinny Shoreman45:27

       Yeah.

   19. LHLiam Harrison45:27

       The thing wi- the thing with that is as well though, the, with the internet, as well as being able to watch world-class fighters instantly-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Here's a kid.

   21. LHLiam Harrison45:33

       What? Oh, there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       Look at this kid. That's hi- him and his dad, I guess. Look at that fucking technique!

   23. LHLiam Harrison45:37

       (laughs) Unbelievable.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Look, it's incredible. He ducks under, I mean, everything, blocking punches. Fucking amazing. And look at that, he goes to the body! That's crazy. I mean, he looks like he's four. That's a different kid. That's an even tinier kid.

   25. VSVinny Shoreman45:54

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   26. LHLiam Harrison45:55

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Very impressive.

   28. LHLiam Harrison45:56

       But yeah, the thing with the internet as well though, what's starting to happen now though a lot in, especially in the UK, people will say, "Right, um, we try to match your show. Right, we've got a guy here who's had three fights. Your guy's had three fights. Let's match them." And they go, "Ooh, no, give me his name. I need to search him on YouTube. I need to-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Right, right, right.

   30. LHLiam Harrison46:10

       ... search his Facebook, I need to search this." So as well as being a blessing, it's a curse for stuff like that because back when I started fighting, everybody, Richard would just go to me. I'd walk in the gym, Richard would go, "You're fighting on Saturday." This might be on Wednesday.

Episode duration: 1:50:20