JRE MMA Show #20 with Yves Edwards

Joe Rogan 0:07 ... and we're live. Yves Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. You're one of those dudes that has that book cover for your phone. I tried to rock the book cover. After a while, I'm like, "What am I doing here with this extra step where I gotta open up a book to get to my phone?"

Yves Edwards 0:23 I like it because I forget things a lot, so like, I don't like having a wallet and a phone when I leave somewhere, like especially even a house. I leave the house with my phone, but I don't have my cash or my cards or something like that, so-

Joe Rogan 0:34 Mm. I got a solution for you. It's called a motherfucking fanny pack.

Yves Edwards 0:37 (laughs)

Young Jamie Vernon 0:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:38 That's right, Yves Edwards. You're a cool dude. You think you can g- you're cool enough to rock one of these? Like, are you cool enough to get past the social pariah aspect of this bag that you wear around your waist?

Yves Edwards 0:50 I don't have that much shit with me most of the time.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Well, it's not that much shit. There's a lot of shit in here, but this is a w- a weird day. I have like keys and sh... I have a knife in there and stuff. But most of the time it's just light. I travel light with that. Look at that. Who's ga- who's that?

Young Jamie Vernon 1:05 Uh, I believe Quavo from Migos.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Uh, I have no idea who you just said.

Young Jamie Vernon 1:09 (laughs) He's a popular rapper, so-

Joe Rogan 1:10 But that is a ridic... He- Is he a popular fellow?

Young Jamie Vernon 1:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:12 I'm an old man, dude.

Yves Edwards 1:13 Quavo's a popular-

Young Jamie Vernon 1:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13 I'm an old man who listens to The Allman Brothers, all right?

Yves Edwards 1:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16 (laughs) But that one that he's got on is preposterous.

Young Jamie Vernon 1:20 He's very fancy.

Joe Rogan 1:21 You might as well have a laptop k- hanging around his waist.

Yves Edwards 1:23 Yeah, he's also got like holes in his jeans.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Yeah, that's ridiculous. What'd you get attacked by, a tiger, sir?

Young Jamie Vernon 1:28 He's also got a lot of em- jewelry.

Joe Rogan 1:29 All that jewelry.

Yves Edwards 1:30 In the '80s.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Yeah. He's kind of ridiculous looking. Go b- but make that, make that bigger again so I can take a look at this gentleman.

Young Jamie Vernon 1:39 Well, this is a light version too. I probably could have found a better picture.

Joe Rogan 1:42 He's got a lot going on. Those pants are preposterous. That's the most preposterous thing. Like, I guess the shoes, if you're like, you want to go out but you also want to go bowling, you might wear those shoes.

Yves Edwards 1:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:53 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 1:53 This is a roast fest. Let's go.

Young Jamie Vernon 1:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:54 I can't, uh, say anything bad about the jewelry. I'm not into the jewelry. I mean, I'm, that's not my thing, but he looks like he's well-appointed.

Yves Edwards 2:00 It looks like he has two watches on, though.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Fuck, yeah. Balling. #Balling. I think the one on the right is probably just... Is that a-

Yves Edwards 2:06 Bracelet.

Joe Rogan 2:06 ... bracelet?

Yves Edwards 2:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Just a fancy-ass bracelet. Uh, but the pants are ridiculous.

Yves Edwards 2:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 I don't... How the fuck did that ever get started where people wear ripped up pants? I tried to talk to Brendan Schaub about that. That dumb motherfucker wears those shit. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 2:17 (laughs)

Young Jamie Vernon 2:17 Didn't they do it in the '80s though? They did it a long time ago too.

Yves Edwards 2:19 Yeah, exactly.

Young Jamie Vernon 2:20 It's been going on for a while. It's not new.

Joe Rogan 2:21 That's like fucking music videos. I just like... What are you doing, man?

Yves Edwards 2:25 It's like Pat Benatar or something.

Joe Rogan 2:27 I don't have any fashion taste. Don't listen to me. But when I mock some shit, you might wanna listen to me. Like, don't wear what I wear. Like s- you know, uh, don't. Just don't. I mostly wear, uh, n- either I'll wear like these things which are like, uh, trail running sneakers. They get no sneaker cred. Or I'll wear like Converse All Star. Oh, look at this. Look at this. Team Beat Donnie Wahlberg.

Young Jamie Vernon 2:50 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 2:50 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Look. Lord.

Yves Edwards 2:51 That's from the '90s. '80s.

Joe Rogan 2:52 How does his hog not just slip right out of that one on the right h- right-hand side? That one on the right-hand side? Come on. Silly fuck.

Yves Edwards 3:00 He probably has a... Like, I don't know. I see that and I feel like the guys are probably wearing a thong under that too.

Joe Rogan 3:06 Yeah, I would imagine there's something going on there.

Yves Edwards 3:08 Now, see like with- with the women-

Joe Rogan 3:09 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 3:09 ... like it's, it's so much nicer.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 3:11 You know?

Joe Rogan 3:11 That doesn't bother me at all.

Yves Edwards 3:12 I can dig that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:12 I'm gonna tell you right now, this is where I'm a hypocrite. Like with Beyonce right there, she fills it out.

Yves Edwards 3:18 Yeah, she does.

Joe Rogan 3:19 D- That s- See, that's kind of different because like a woman's legs and everything are very sexual, right? So if you see extra leg, it's like, "Just shut your mouth and take the bonus."

Yves Edwards 3:31 Yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 3:32 Yeah. You don't want to complain about it. But a dude wearing something like that?

Yves Edwards 3:36 It's li- like, it's, it's literally like... Well, not literally, but it's so much like a guy wearing a dress. Like it's a fashion for women, I believe.

Joe Rogan 3:43 It's trying way too hard. Like this. Look at this fella. He, this like seems like the '80s though, because he's got a suit jacket on.

Yves Edwards 3:51 It is. I mean, you can look at the quality of the picture.

Young Jamie Vernon 3:53 You gotta look at his belt line.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Yeah, right? (laughs) That's true.

Yves Edwards 3:54 And that hairstyle.

Joe Rogan 3:55 The su- suit jackets never came back.

Yves Edwards 3:57 No.

Young Jamie Vernon 3:58 Oh, he's got patches too.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Oh, he's got patches. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 4:00 Oh, remember when they used to do all that art on the, on the jeans too?

Joe Rogan 4:03 Mm. Yeah, that was... I'm talking about the '80s. Those pants was... Those pants were ridiculous. But s- ripped up pants, men, allegedly.

Yves Edwards 4:13 Ripped up pants and, and, and skinny jean... I, I'm like... I'm still 100% against skinny jeans.

Joe Rogan 4:18 You know what? I say that I'm against skinny jeans, but I wear these things called barbell jeans. You ever wear those?

Yves Edwards 4:23 No.

Joe Rogan 4:24 They look like skinny jeans, because they, they, they're tight too, but they have... Oh, I got them on right now. This is... They're made out of-

Yves Edwards 4:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... this shit.

Yves Edwards 4:33 They, they got some, some, some elasticity to them. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:35 Oh, yeah, man. They're like wearing sweatpants. Like you don't f- They've... You don't feel... You can go throw kicks in them. Like you could.

Yves Edwards 4:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:42 Like for real.

Yves Edwards 4:43 I'm too old for that.

Joe Rogan 4:44 No, no, no.

Yves Edwards 4:44 I can't get my leg behind anymore.

Joe Rogan 4:45 No, no, no, no. Do you train anymore?

Yves Edwards 4:47 Yeah, I still train.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Yeah?

Yves Edwards 4:49 Um, I haven't trained... The past few months have been a little bit hard, but now that things are settling down and I'm settling into this new life, um, things are good. Um, I've been training with Joe a lot, Schilling.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Oh, okay, cool.

Yves Edwards 5:01 And Mickey Gall just moved out here.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Are you in that area?

Yves Edwards 5:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:03 Are you in the downtown area?

Yves Edwards 5:04 Yeah, in Eagle Rock.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Oh, nice, nice.

Yves Edwards 5:06 So I like it over there.

Joe Rogan 5:07 The Yard's a great place.

Yves Edwards 5:08 The Yard is awesome.

Joe Rogan 5:09 That's a great place to train.

Yves Edwards 5:10 Been going there for a while with him.

Joe Rogan 5:12 I saw Mickey training with Joe on Instagram.

Yves Edwards 5:15 Yep.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Yeah. Nice. So he's down there too?

Yves Edwards 5:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Smart. Good move for him. That's what he needs, right? His striking, his ground game is very good.

Yves Edwards 5:21 Yeah, his ground is really good. He moved down here about a month ago and, and he actually, he's my roommate now.

Joe Rogan 5:26 No shit?

Yves Edwards 5:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 You live with Mickey Gall? (laughs)

Yves Edwards 5:28 Mickey lives... Yeah, he came out to live with me.

Joe Rogan 5:30 That's cool. Uh, that's gotta be fun.

Yves Edwards 5:33 It's fun. Uh, uh, it's, it's fun also because he's so young.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 5:37 It's, it's, it's almost like having a son that did what you-

Joe Rogan 5:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 5:41 ... do... Is doing what you did. You know?

Joe Rogan 5:44 That's a great resource for him to be able to talk to you-

Yves Edwards 5:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 ... and ask you questions about the game.

Yves Edwards 5:48 We sit around and watch fights sometimes. It's good.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yves Edwards, I saw you fight in Hook and Shoot in like the fucking '60s.

Yves Edwards 5:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:56 I think you were wearing bell-bottoms when you came out into the cage.

Yves Edwards 5:58 That's... I- I was. There was one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:01 I remember you fought Aaron Riley. I think you were like 12 years old.

Yves Edwards 6:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:04 How old were you? (laughs)

Yves Edwards 6:06 I was about 20.

Joe Rogan 6:08 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 6:08 So I was still a kid.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Those were good fights though, man.

Yves Edwards 6:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:11 Those were good fights.

Yves Edwards 6:13 That was, um ... I was watching that fight. Actually, Mickey and I watched that fight together a couple weeks ago, um.

Joe Rogan 6:18 Is it weird?

Yves Edwards 6:19 It is weird.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Does it seem like you? Does it seem like another life? It's kind of another life, right?

Yves Edwards 6:25 It is.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Like, how old are you now?

Yves Edwards 6:27 I'm 41.

Joe Rogan 6:28 When you, when you think back about yourself at 20, like how much memory do you really have of that? You got like little flashes.

Yves Edwards 6:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Like I could see little pic- images of sh- and then I have a narrative that I play out in my head that I, I think happened and so I can repeat it. Here you go. Look at that.

Yves Edwards 6:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:46 20 year old Yves Edwards bouncing around. Wow, dude.

Yves Edwards 6:52 Yeah, that ... Look at the hair.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Wow. Yeah, you had like this-

Yves Edwards 6:55 I had this curl thing going on.

Joe Rogan 6:56 You had that Kool Moe Dee thing going on too.

Yves Edwards 6:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:58 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 6:59 I was, you know, I was representing for the homies.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Wow.

Yves Edwards 7:03 I used to fight in those green shorts.

Joe Rogan 7:04 This is early, early days. This was, um, Jeff Osborne's show.

Yves Edwards 7:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 7:09 That was Hook and Shoot. That was the first time Eron and I fought and-

Joe Rogan 7:12 Jeff doing ... He's a really good commentator, man. Is he working?

Yves Edwards 7:16 I don't know. I know he doing like-

Joe Rogan 7:18 He doing that anymore?

Yves Edwards 7:18 He shut down Hook and Shoot.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 7:20 Like it's gone.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 7:21 And I don't know what Jeff is doing. I know he had a lot ... He was, he was involved with pro wrestling a lot too.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 7:26 Um, but now I haven't spoken to him in a long time.

Joe Rogan 7:28 I did a couple shows with him in the UFC when I first came aboard.

Yves Edwards 7:31 Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:32 He was, he was doing the UFC back in the day.

Yves Edwards 7:34 Yeah, I, um, I was just wa- that's another thing. That's another thing, going back and watching these old fights. I went on Fight Pass and I was watching, I think it was like UFC 33.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Wow.

Yves Edwards 7:44 Um, where ... In Louisiana when ... Bustamante and Lindland, that card.

Joe Rogan 7:49 Yeah, that was the restart fight.

Yves Edwards 7:50 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Remember that?

Yves Edwards 7:51 Yeah, I fought Uno on that card.

Joe Rogan 7:53 Bustamante tapped him twice, that's right.

Yves Edwards 7:54 Bustamante tapped him-

Joe Rogan 7:55 And then tapped him again.

Yves Edwards 7:56 And Big John kinda screwed it up and ...

Joe Rogan 7:58 (inhales deeply) Yeah, man. You know, that, that was the early days too.

Yves Edwards 8:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:03 I think nowadays, I think Big John would've just said, "No, no, no."

Yves Edwards 8:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:06 "It's over."

Yves Edwards 8:07 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 8:08 I mean, we were all learning back then.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 8:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was still like UFC middleweight championship. You know, it was like they had had 30 sh- plus shows.

Yves Edwards 8:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:18 It was like ...

Yves Edwards 8:21 It, it was something that you wouldn't expect.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 8:23 For sure.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Well, Lindland was so (laughs) he was so crazy. Didn't he bite somebody when he was wrestling?

Yves Edwards 8:29 Lindland?

Joe Rogan 8:29 Yeah, yeah. In the, the wrestling days he bit somebody. Here's Bustamante versus Chuck Liddell. This is a different one.

Narrator 8:36 That was.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Yeah, this was a fight where Bustamante was out powered.

Yves Edwards 8:40 Yeah, he was just too small for Chuck.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Chuck was just so scary back then.

Yves Edwards 8:44 And he ... Bustamante wasn't taking Chuck down.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Well, Bustamante had fought some big fucking dudes though, man.

Yves Edwards 8:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:49 That was the thing, that he hadn't taken Chuck down. He had fought some big fucking dudes. Remember he fought Tom Erickson-

Yves Edwards 8:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:56 ... in like World Combat something or another.

Yves Edwards 8:59 I don't remember the organization. I do vaguely remember the fight. I don't remember watching it, but, um, there, there was ... It was a g- it was a mat. I don't f- I feel like it was on a mat and there was no cage or, or a ring.

Joe Rogan 9:11 Maybe. You might be right. But my-

Yves Edwards 9:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:14 That's what my dream is. My dream is to do, uh, MMA fights in a football field.

Yves Edwards 9:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:19 I feel like if you can run-

Yves Edwards 9:20 See if we can get together football fields. No, so you can't get trapped up against the cage. I feel like if a guy takes you down and holds you down, he should be able to hold you down because there's nothing there but the ground.

Joe Rogan 9:29 Yeah. But a cage, you can s- you wa- walk up the cage. There, you could protect yourself against submissions up against the cage. There's a bunch of shit that happens against the cage that just doesn't happen if you're in a basketball court.

Yves Edwards 9:41 But then because of that, you gotta develop new technique, right?

Joe Rogan 9:44 Right.

Yves Edwards 9:44 You gotta develop something to deal with that situation.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Yeah. Are you, um, like do you think the rules are okay?

Yves Edwards 9:50 No.

Joe Rogan 9:51 What do you ... What would you change?

Yves Edwards 9:51 (clears throat) I, um, (clears throat) I would definitely change the 12 to six elbow. That's one.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 9:56 I, uh, I always thought that was funny.

Joe Rogan 9:57 That's the big one.

Yves Edwards 9:58 Um-

Joe Rogan 9:59 You know why that one's illegal, right?

Yves Edwards 10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:01 It's so stupid.

Yves Edwards 10:01 I used to watch those, those, um, the karate things.

Joe Rogan 10:04 The breaking demonstrations?

Yves Edwards 10:04 Yeah, I used to wa- they used to come on late at night on ESPN when I was a kid.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:07 I used to watch those things all the time. I used to love them too. Even wh- even when I was fighting, I was still watching those things-

Joe Rogan 10:12 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 10:12 ... because it was entertainment.

Joe Rogan 10:13 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 10:14 Um ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:16 Those things are so silly. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:21 Those, they, they get, they get so intense too, you know?

Joe Rogan 10:24 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:24 And then-

Joe Rogan 10:24 So p- the athletic commissions really thought that you couldn't do that to a person 'cause you'd kill them, so they made that technique illegal.

Yves Edwards 10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Out of all the shit. Like we have that power cube thing in the back, where-

Yves Edwards 10:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:35 ... Ngannou registered that power punch. If you go out there and elbow that thing, you'd be shocked at how weak ass your elbow is.

Yves Edwards 10:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Especially a drop down elbow. Like it's just not that much power.

Yves Edwards 10:45 No. It's, it's just ... I mean, when they're breaking those boards, they just-

Joe Rogan 10:48 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:48 They're using that, that joint as a, as a-

Joe Rogan 10:51 Lever.

Yves Edwards 10:51 ... as a post, as a lever.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:53 Exactly. And they're just putting their body weight behind it.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 10:55 It's- that's all it is. You can't necessarily do that when you're inside someone's guard.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Right.

Yves Edwards 10:59 Um, you can't jump down on someone.

Joe Rogan 11:00 You don't want Jon Jones elbowing you in the face, period.

Yves Edwards 11:03 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 11:03 But there's no difference if Jon's hitting you with a downward elbow like you got disqualified for when you fought Matt Hamill-

Yves Edwards 11:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:09 ... or if he's hitting you with a sideways elbow. He's just smashing you.

Yves Edwards 11:12 You know what? That downward elbow is gonna cut a lot less unless it's the point on the top of the head.

Joe Rogan 11:16 That's true, right?

Yves Edwards 11:17 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 11:17 That's true. That's, that's, that's a very important point. Like that was always the, um, the argument against no gloves was that you'd cut. You'd cut people more.

Yves Edwards 11:27 Yeah. I, I, I agree with that. I mean, that, that skin getting pinched between bone-

Joe Rogan 11:32 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 11:32 ... at that speed, you know, it's just getting-

Joe Rogan 11:34 Get up.

Yves Edwards 11:34 ... to- torn. It's not even like really a cut.

Joe Rogan 11:36 Yeah. But do you think that having wrapped up hands and having padded gloves, like is that an unrealistic sort of thing? Because like if you're, if you're striking some- like if you and a dude were just fighting, right? You're just fighting. Like there's no like, "Hey this is a play fight or we're gonna have rules." This is just a fight. You and a guy are fighting. You can't just hit him with bare hands the way you can hit him with gloves on, with your wrists taped up. You know, you, you gotta be very wary about punching him full blast in the forehead. You might shatter your hand. There's a lot of things you have to think about.

Yves Edwards 12:11 Yeah, but I guess as, as a f-... someone has done it, and- and trained to- to try to knock someone out-

Joe Rogan 12:18 Right.

Yves Edwards 12:18 ... you're not thinking about... Y- you... We're never throwing punches at your skull.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Right.

Yves Edwards 12:22 You know, we're- we're aiming for these targets that are soft.

Joe Rogan 12:25 For sure.

Yves Edwards 12:25 So, like, when you're in a street fight, like, those things don't turn off.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Right, right, right.

Yves Edwards 12:29 So- so as a fighter I do- I'm... That's not a concern to me in a street fight situation, when you bring that up. Um, but I know it can happen. I mean, it happened in some of the early UFCs.

Joe Rogan 12:38 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 12:38 Guys- guys would break their hands on skulls because they've been ducking.

Joe Rogan 12:40 That's what I'm saying, is it, is it unrealistic to put gloves on someone and tape their wrists up when th- we don't give them any other advantage for striking any other way.

Yves Edwards 12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:47 You don't let them cast up your ankles or do something where you, you know, you protect your shins and make it easier for you to kick hard. Because if you had, like, some sort of a spandex thing with a, uh, like, a- a shin pad-

Yves Edwards 13:01 Yep.

Joe Rogan 13:01 ... like the th- like the same sort of thickness of shin pad as you have on the knuckles, you would just be slamming into everything.

Yves Edwards 13:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:09 Elbows, arms, who gives a fuck? You wouldn't worry about it. Just slam it in there. Boom! It would change the game.

Yves Edwards 13:15 It would- it would- it would completely change the game, but it would- it would slow it down a lot more.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 13:19 I mean, in MMA fights now, you look at a punch count for an MMA fight versus a boxing match, you know.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Yes.

Yves Edwards 13:24 Of course, they can only punch so- so-

Joe Rogan 13:26 Right.

Yves Edwards 13:26 ... their punch count is higher. But your hands are getting hurt-

Joe Rogan 13:30 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 13:30 ... you know. Guys- guys will lose fights simply because they can't continue going into the second round sometimes.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Will that be the case or will it change their style?

Yves Edwards 13:38 It will definitely change their style but without having the gloves and hand wraps and- and that stuff there, there is going to be those times when it's still gonna... It's just gonna minimi- not minimize, but bring the number down.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 13:50 It's not gonna stop it, though.

Joe Rogan 13:51 I- I agree. Um, I mean, I think if I wanted to look at it in terms of just pure entertainment value, I'd say leave it the way it is.

Yves Edwards 13:59 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 14:00 Change d- downward elbows.

Yves Edwards 14:02 Change out-

Joe Rogan 14:03 Maybe add a couple other things.

Yves Edwards 14:04 Uh, yeah, some- some things. Like, I- I like the Pride rules, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:06 Yeah. Pride rules aren't bad.

Yves Edwards 14:08 Still like the Pride rules. Uh, uh, including with the judging, the Pride rules. Judge the whole fight.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah. Judge the whole fight, I agree with that.

Yves Edwards 14:13 I like that.

Joe Rogan 14:14 I agree with that. And I think, um, more judges, you know, um... But I think that's a big one. I- I was talking about that with Pat Miletich the other day. We're saying, like, five judges or more, you know.

Yves Edwards 14:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Like, why only three?

Yves Edwards 14:26 Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Uh-huh.

Yves Edwards 14:27 I agree. With more judges you'll get a little more diversity. Also, though, I think, um, you gotta change s- change the- the scoring c- criteria. I mean, we are using a boxing criteria but like-

Joe Rogan 14:39 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 14:39 ... like when you talk about wrestling and when I see guys go, "Oh, he scores a take-down." When a guy goes down he pops right back up.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 14:44 I'm like, "That's not a take-down. It's not two."

Joe Rogan 14:46 Right, right. It's not two.

Yves Edwards 14:46 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:47 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 14:47 So- so, like, why can't we implement some of the thing? Because we're taking aspects of all these different styles of fighting.

Joe Rogan 14:53 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 14:53 Like, the ru- the scoring system and the values for things should- should come from that to some degree.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Yeah. A take-down with an immediate stand up, like if someone takes you down and you're right back up, that is not a whole lot different than you blocking a kick.

Yves Edwards 15:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 You know? Does blocking a kick count? If you get your knee up and your elbow up and you catch one right here, are you counting that as something that got through?

Yves Edwards 15:13 As... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Right? No.

Yves Edwards 15:14 No?

Joe Rogan 15:14 You're not.

Yves Edwards 15:15 So w-

Joe Rogan 15:15 You know who does?

Yves Edwards 15:16 Who?

Joe Rogan 15:16 Greg Jackson. He's a-

Yves Edwards 15:17 Does he?

Joe Rogan 15:17 ... great coach, man. (laughs) I don't-

Yves Edwards 15:19 He counts that?

Joe Rogan 15:20 He... So he- he... I think he does this psychological thing. I'm letting the cat out of the bag (laughs) with this one.

Yves Edwards 15:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:25 'Cause, uh, I'm in the cage with- with Isaac Valleyflag, and Isaac throws a kick and I block it. And Greg's like, "It's a great kick, Isaac! Great kick, Ike! That landed ne-" You know? And I'm like... And then he does something else and it doesn't affect me, but he's cheering him on like it does. And I'm like, "Is he doing that for the ra- for the judges?" (laughs) 'Cause that- that... I- I'm like... And I went back to the corner and I told Mike. I was like, "Mike, he's- he's cheering him on, getting... Kind of getting the judges on his side." Mike's like, "Don't worry about that. This is what you need to do." Yeah, you gotta get that shit out of your head.

Yves Edwards 15:52 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Yeah, for sure. But if he's right there, like if you see where one corner is and then the other corner is when the fight is not going on, they're over there by the stairs.

Yves Edwards 16:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:02 The judge is right there.

Yves Edwards 16:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:04 The judge is just a few feet over.

Yves Edwards 16:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:05 And if they're enthusiastic, like, (clapping hands) "Yes, you got it! You got it! You got it!" Those judges, a certain percent, let's say 30, don't know what the fuck they're watching.

Yves Edwards 16:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:14 And so they are very susceptible-

Yves Edwards 16:15 Can we say a name? No, I'm just kidding.

Joe Rogan 16:16 No, let's not say any names.

Yves Edwards 16:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:18 (laughs) 'Cause I know what we'd say.

Yves Edwards 16:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:20 We'd all say the same name, unfortunately. Nice lady.

Yves Edwards 16:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:23 Anyway, this- this fucking situation is... There should be way better judges for sure.

Yves Edwards 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:30 I think guys who are former fighters, guys who are martial arts experts, guys who, like, really care about the sport, you have no shortage of them. You can go to any MMA school, any jujitsu school-

Yves Edwards 16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:42 ... any kickboxing school-

Yves Edwards 16:43 Any website. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... any website all across the country, and you will find hundreds and hundreds of qualified candidates.

Yves Edwards 16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 People that will tell you why that's a bad decision. People that'll tell you why that doesn't work. People who tell you why this shouldn't mean anything. And we don't have that right now for no reason. There's, like, zero reason. It doesn't make any sense. It's not like, "Well, man, there's not enough money." Like, what?

Yves Edwards 17:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:05 It's- it's... No, there's enough money for it. This is just crazy.

Yves Edwards 17:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:08 This is... No reason. It's not like, well, you know, water is wet and that's just how it goes. No.

Yves Edwards 17:13 I- I would be... I think it would be a good thing also now that, like, the second generation... I- I have, like, in my head I have this three generations of MMA and that's where we are now, i- in the third starting to move into the fourth.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 17:25 Um, and I feel like with the first two generations being done pretty much-

Joe Rogan 17:29 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 17:30 ... like, there's a lot of guys that are highly qualified to- to judge-

Joe Rogan 17:33 Way more-

Yves Edwards 17:34 You know?

Joe Rogan 17:35 ... than it... I mean, the sport is giant.

Yves Edwards 17:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 There's so many good writers out there.

Yves Edwards 17:41 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:41 If you read MMA articles, they're really good writing in a lot of these, like, mainstream websites. There's, like, a lot of experts out there talking about stuff. That's why a fight like next weekend is so fascinating, because between Tony and Khabib nobody knows what the fuck is gonna happen. It's one of those fights where everybody's like, "Damn, I don't know." And you got all these people breaking it down on one side, and then you got people making compelling arguments on the other side and you're like, "Hmm, okay. This one's gonna be weird."

Yves Edwards 18:11 I've been, I've been bouncing back and forth between my pick for that fight-

Joe Rogan 18:14 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 18:15 ... but, um...I guess because I've been bouncing back and forth, this isn't necessarily where I'm gonna stay.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Right.

Yves Edwards 18:21 But, I, I feel like, okay, I don't see how that can change. But again, like you said, there are people that are making these arguments and if somebody convinces me of something that kinda defeats this argument-

Joe Rogan 18:32 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 18:32 ... then it's like, man now you've opened the door for this again. And what I think is like, what I firt- my first thought was, Khabib is this guy, he takes everybody down and he controls you and beats you up.

Joe Rogan 18:41 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 18:42 Right? And you think he's gonna do that. And then, um, but Tony is this guy, he just does not... He's like one of these submission first kinda guys.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 18:49 Remember that argument? Submission or position?

Joe Rogan 18:51 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 18:51 Tony isn't, isn't too worried about position. He'll create scrambles. He's, he's aware of where he is at all times and what he's giving up. So, I feel like he would just continue to scramble. He'd be able to get back to his feet at least. Um, and then I go back to Khabib and seeing Tony against Kevin Lee. And Kevin Lee kind of controlled him early in that fight. You know, he was able to pass his guard and do some, some good controlling things.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 19:13 Now, if a guy like Khabib can do that, right? Then he's not getting back up and Khabib is going to be able to take him down. He is the best wrestler in the game. Like-

Joe Rogan 19:22 Without a doubt.

Yves Edwards 19:23 ... bar none. You know?

Joe Rogan 19:23 Yeah. Good arguments, good arguments. You know, I think another argument is that Kevin... When Kevin Lee fought Tony, I think everybody knew Kevin had a staph infection. I knew, I saw him walk into the cage, I looked at his chest.

Yves Edwards 19:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:35 I was like, "Holy shit, that guy's got staph." I knew he was gonna be weak. I knew in compared to the Kevin Lee, the destroyer that you see when he's on point and in shape, I was like, "This guy's gonna be compromised."

Yves Edwards 19:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:46 And he's also a big 155, so it's a hard cut for him. Whereas Tony makes it... I mean, Tony can get pretty heavy, but he's super disciplined. He makes it easy. Tony's endurance, his endurance is off the charts.

Yves Edwards 19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Off the charts. Impeccable. He was posting the other day that he went on a six, six-mile run at 1:00 in the morning. It's like extra credit. He wrote #extracredit.

Yves Edwards 20:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:06 I mean, he's an animal. I mean, Eddie Bravo trains with him up there in Big Bear all the time. He says he's never seen anything like it. So the dude's just... Everybody else, like, pacing everybody up the hill, coming back down. They're still trying to make it up the first time. He's running past them the second time. He's a fucking animal. Like he's-

Yves Edwards 20:21 He wants it.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh, he wants it bad. But so, he knew that Kevin going into that fight was compromised. So if he knew Kevin was compromised, maybe he decided to just let him work, let him work that first round.

Yves Edwards 20:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:32 You know? And Kevin's no j- no joke. Kevin's fucking dangerous.

Yves Edwards 20:35 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 20:36 He's very skilled, very skilled, very aggressive, very strong, very dangerous. You know, so Tony, he got in bad positions in that fight though. Didn't he get mounted in the first round?

Yves Edwards 20:45 He got mounted. He- his guy got passed pretty conv- like pretty-

Joe Rogan 20:48 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 20:49 ... easily-

Joe Rogan 20:49 Yeah, early.

Yves Edwards 20:50 ... early in the fight.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 20:51 Um, but that's crazy because if, if he c- if he did take that time off, even knowing that a guy like Kevin Lee was, you know, compromised, that's still a high level guy to be, "I'm gonna take this time off."

Joe Rogan 21:04 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 21:05 Be a little bit lax.

Joe Rogan 21:06 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 21:07 You know? Who knows? I mean, it might just have been Kevin is that good. I really wish that fight took place with Kevin healthy. Really wish that fight took place with K- I think Kevin is an interesting guy 'cause he's... He talks a lot of shit.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah. He's really aggressive. He, he fights well. He looks the part. When you look at him, he's fucking jacked. You know? That's a bad break for a dude like that.

Yves Edwards 21:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 He had, like, a golf ball growing out of his tit.

Yves Edwards 21:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:31 That was crazy.

Yves Edwards 21:32 I mean, it could happen again relatively soon, depending on how his fight with, with Barboza goes.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 21:36 You know?

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah. That's an interesting fight for Barboza too. Barboza's gotta recover from that mauling that Khabib put on him.

Yves Edwards 21:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:43 That was horrendous.

Yves Edwards 21:45 But you know-

Joe Rogan 21:45 That's an uncommon opponent too, with Tony.

Yves Edwards 21:47 Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I, I wanna look back at, um, the Barboza fight, but when I, when I did look at it, he defended, he defended some of those takedowns early.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 21:58 You know, and I mean, it's against Khabib. Now, yes, you can defend... You're gonna be the strongest in the first round.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Right.

Yves Edwards 22:03 But still, um, there's not a lot of people defending Khabib's takedowns.

Joe Rogan 22:07 No.

Yves Edwards 22:07 You know? Um...

Joe Rogan 22:09 There's a great New York Times article that was just on, um, like three or four days ago about wrestlers from Dagestan.

Yves Edwards 22:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:16 And about how wrestling is their way out 'cause so many of them trying to prove themselves, they wind up, uh, joining those Islamic terrorist groups. And, uh, th- these coaches try to take these young, aggressive kids and give them something, something-

Yves Edwards 22:33 Helding.

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... something else and give them another alternative. Really, really well-written article. Interesting stuff about, like, how powerful these guys are and how young they get them into it. And when you see Khabib, the thing about him is, like, he's not doing different things than everybody else. You know what I mean? Like, some people are doing different things, like Wonderboy's doing different things. Like, he stands totally sideways. His hands are down. He's throwing front leg sidekicks.

Yves Edwards 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 He's doing a lot of different things. You know, like, oh, okay, this is gonna be new thing to adjust to. Khabib's doing standard shit, but he's just doing it at a, not just a notch, but several notches past what everybody else is doing.

Yves Edwards 23:15 I think that's the thing about these Dagestani guys. Um, it's crazy because, like, this American wrestling style, folk-style wrestling of being on top and having that control, that's a big deal. But like Nick Lentz, that's one of his strengths.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 23:27 Like, when Nick gets on top of you, it's like a, a, a dwarf.

Joe Rogan 23:31 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 23:31 You know? Like he's not going anywhere, but he can also escape that a lot of guys. Same thing with Mike Brown. But, um, Nick Lentz got ridden out at the- in, in the fight in Brooklyn. I forget which card that... I'm f- Holly Holm's not... And Jermaine Duran-

Joe Rogan 23:45 Jermaine Duraneme?

Yves Edwards 23:46 You know that card.

Joe Rogan 23:47 He won by guillotine, right?

Yves Edwards 23:49 No, Lentz lost.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Is that the one? Which one? Which fight?

Yves Edwards 23:51 I forget who, who he fought. I forget... He fought a Dagestani guy.

Joe Rogan 23:54 Oh, right.

Yves Edwards 23:54 But he just got ridden out against his own style. Like, that's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Right. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Yves Edwards 23:58 These guys are better at what their, what the American style is. But like for something like that, I wanna see one of those guys against a guy like Gregor Gillespie.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yes.

Yves Edwards 24:07 You know? 'Cause that style of wrestling, of being on top and grinding on you-That's a high level, like a high level wrestler like that-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 24:14 ... you know, a four-time All-American national champion kinda guy, with that kinda conditioning who's not gonna break-

Joe Rogan 24:20 Right.

Yves Edwards 24:20 ... I wanna see that battle. That's like... 'Cause that'll be like a- a- a nas- national championship with two guys that can punch and kick a bit.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Well, like a guy like Jordan Burroughs. A Jordan Burroughs-

Yves Edwards 24:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:30 ... getting into MMA.

Yves Edwards 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Like, what happens when he fights one of those Dagestani guys?

Yves Edwards 24:34 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 24:35 (coughs) But see, there's Dagestani guys and then there's Khabib. He's another notch above them.

Yves Edwards 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 He's a notch above them. Like, there's a lot of those guys that are real good, they're real tough, you know? But he's another level.

Yves Edwards 24:48 He's a scary level. I, I... When you see him on top of guys like, like especially the Michael Johnson?

Joe Rogan 24:53 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 24:53 That was-

Joe Rogan 24:54 Helpless.

Yves Edwards 24:54 That was mauling, man.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Yeah, horrifying. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 24:57 (laughs) And having a conversation with him like-

Joe Rogan 24:59 Yeah. You must qui-

Yves Edwards 24:59 ... pleading with him to give up.

Joe Rogan 25:01 "You must quit try to shut this man."

Yves Edwards 25:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:03 "You no try to shut. They deserve bam!" Just keeps... And he's got his arm tied behind his back and he's punching him in the face. It's horrific.

Yves Edwards 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:10 It's horrific. I mean, he can do shit to you that like... It's like white belt, black belt beat ups.

Yves Edwards 25:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 It's-

Yves Edwards 25:16 It's against the best guys in the world.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Yeah. Against the best guys in the world.

Yves Edwards 25:19 That's the-

Joe Rogan 25:20 Michael Johnson... But Michael Johnson clipped him though. But here's the thing about that fight which is interesting to me. Khabib came into that fight with the same problem he went into the Tony Ferguson fight that was canceled. He cut too much weight and his liver apparently shut down making weight for that fight.

Yves Edwards 25:34 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:35 So then they went into the next fight, um, and he didn't make weight at all.

Yves Edwards 25:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:39 He got rushed to the hospital. Then he hires a nutritionist, looks fucking fantastic at bent- against Barboza. Has zero problems making weight, now he's got it all under control. But you gotta wonder if he was compromised in the Michael Johnson fight, how much of a factor did that play into-

Yves Edwards 25:54 Getting him getting stunned.

Joe Rogan 25:55 Yeah, he got, he got clipped.

Yves Edwards 25:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:56 He got clipped. And you know as well as anybody that when you're dehydrated or you have been dehydrated, you just don't take a punch as well.

Yves Edwards 26:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:03 I mean-

Yves Edwards 26:04 Dehydration, conditioning, those things, you know, those things help you recover when you, when you're hydrated and your conditioning is, is up to par.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 26:11 Um, yeah, I don't know. He, you seen him take some punches. He always backs guys up. He's always coming forward and he, he does eat a lot of shots coming forward.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 26:20 But, you know, if his conditioning is fine, and that's the only time that I can remember him getting hurt, uh, in a fight from taking shots. Like, the same thing with Barboza. Barboza was throwing at him hard.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Hard.

Yves Edwards 26:29 You know? Especially early.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Walked it off.

Yves Edwards 26:32 Yeah, just-

Joe Rogan 26:32 Walked off everything.

Yves Edwards 26:32 He's like a zombie.

Joe Rogan 26:33 He got wheel kicked a couple of times. It's nothing.

Yves Edwards 26:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:36 Club to the back of the head with wheel kicks. "Nope, sorry."

Yves Edwards 26:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:38 "Not today." (laughs)

Yves Edwards 26:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:41 Just, just, just constantly charging forward, man. He's a fucking tank. Terrifying guy.

Yves Edwards 26:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:46 But this is the fight to me that's most intriguing, other than him fighting Conor. Him fighting Conor for the name value is like chaos, right?

Yves Edwards 26:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Like holy shit. Like, they might do that if he wins. They might also-

Yves Edwards 26:57 That'd be awesome to that in Russia.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Dude!

Yves Edwards 26:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:58 If they do that in Russia, Conor better bring his own food.

Yves Edwards 27:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:01 I tell you that. He, he better bring some fucking corned beef and cabbage right from the motherland.

Yves Edwards 27:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:07 You don't wanna (laughs) you don't wanna take any chances.

Yves Edwards 27:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:09 But when, uh, Khabib, um, when Khabib's fighting Tony, the thing about Tony is that Tony's so creative. Like, he's very unpredictable.

Yves Edwards 27:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 27:20 You don't know what... He might step in and throw an upward elbow, you know? He, he'll do all kinds of weird shit. He'll do Granby rolls on you. He'll dive for a leg, you know? He might try to take Khabib down. Who knows what he's gonna do? And stand up, he's got legit knockout power.

Yves Edwards 27:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Legit. And he can take a shot, rolls with punches real well, doesn't mind when he gets hit hard. He just kinda rolls with shit, comes back. Like, the Barboza fight. The Barboza fight with him was a very interesting fight.

Yves Edwards 27:46 Yeah. That, that fight was fun to watch. Like, I can't-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Whoo!

Yves Edwards 27:49 I can't remember all the details right now, but I remember thinking, I remember tweeting, "Man, I'm watching this and these guys are savages. I, I can't, I can't believe I fought one of these dudes."

Joe Rogan 27:59 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 28:00 I bet Danny Castillo's like, "Man, I fought them both." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 28:06 But, but yeah, that, that fight was fun to watch. And that's, that's that common opponent thing that you say and-

Joe Rogan 28:11 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 28:12 I don't know. It's, it's one of those things also though because you know the rule. Fighter A, B, C, that thing doesn't play out.

Joe Rogan 28:18 Doesn't matter, yeah.

Yves Edwards 28:18 Like, Stout beats, like, Sto- um, Jeremy Stephens beat Stout, I beat Jeremy.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 28:22 You know? And Jeremy beat, uh-

Joe Rogan 28:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 28:23 And then Stout beats me. It's, it's crazy, crazy thing where it just doesn't add up.

Joe Rogan 28:27 It doesn't add up. MMA math just doesn't work. It's one of the reasons why someone like, uh, Khabib is so impressive-

Yves Edwards 28:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:35 ... is 'cause he beats everybody.

Yves Edwards 28:36 Everyone.

Joe Rogan 28:36 Undefeated.

Yves Edwards 28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 Who the fuck is undefeated at that level of the game? I think he has 25 victories. Is that-

Yves Edwards 28:42 Twenty-five and O.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Twenty-five and 0.

Yves Edwards 28:44 Like, him and... That's the other thing. I g- I still call Jon J- I call him undefeated because-

Joe Rogan 28:49 Jon Jones?

Yves Edwards 28:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 He's undefeated in my book.

Yves Edwards 28:51 Yeah, yeah. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 28:51 'Cause it's nonsense. You don't win when-

Yves Edwards 28:53 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... when you get smashed.

Yves Edwards 28:54 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 28:54 He dominated that fight 100%. It was a, it's a goofy rule. And I don't even know if he totally violated it. I mean, he's trying to get through the guard while he's, he's finishing a guy. The guy's covering up. Stupid.

Yves Edwards 29:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:08 It makes me mad.

Yves Edwards 29:09 I feel like I hit a nerve with that one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:11 Tha- th- the 12 to 6 elbow makes me mad.

Yves Edwards 29:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:13 'Cause it makes me mad 'cause it's still there.

Yves Edwards 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 'Cause they changed the rules, like they, they went through this new unified rule system. I'm like, "Oh, this is good. We have some new, uh, regulations as far as, like, putting your hand on the mat and getting, taking a knee."

Yves Edwards 29:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Like when, when can you hit a guy with a knee? Now it's one hand. Now you can do it with one hand. Great. I like that. What? Down to sw- 12-6 elbow still in?

Yves Edwards 29:34 See, (sighs) here's, here's... (clears throat) What I've learned since I've retired is that all of these formulas fit into something else. So right now you're like, "Well, you change this one thing, well, all of this other shit is wrong." Well, when you look at society and you look at the world, right?

Joe Rogan 29:48 Right.

Yves Edwards 29:48 And, like, these little changes are what happens. It's never everything that's wrong isn't fixed at all times. It's always this one little thing is fixed, this other little thing is fixed, this other little thing is fixed.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Right.

Yves Edwards 29:59 You know what I mean? So it's, it's gonna take a while. It'll happen eventually but, man, there, there is so much in this sp- like, there should be something that changes every year.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah, I agree. I think they sh- they've gotta figure out something with the eye pokes.

Yves Edwards 30:12 Yeah.I, I, I feel like there's, I think some- I don't know, it might have been you. I feel 'cause it was a, it was a, an announcer or commentator or something talking about it. But having like a, a glove just that covers the fingers-

Joe Rogan 30:25 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 30:25 ... but it doesn't really change anything. Even, even so much so that like it's a webbing.

Joe Rogan 30:30 Yes.

Yves Edwards 30:30 And that your fingers are still virtually individual.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 30:33 You know, but you can bring them all down together or you can just put those two on.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 30:37 And these two are gonna be tugged at, but it takes no effort.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Right.

Yves Edwards 30:39 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 30:40 Um, something's, a, a covering like that with the padding over the front-

Joe Rogan 30:43 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 30:44 ... so that it doesn't go in the eyes as a single point. You know, but, are, is, is there anybody even playing with prototypes or something like that and, and d- doing a, an exhibition or demonstration?

Joe Rogan 30:57 It's a good question.

Yves Edwards 30:58 You know?

Joe Rogan 30:58 I haven't seen anything compelling. I haven't seen anybody come up with anything. Yeah, it was my idea. My idea was to have it like, um, like, like a, like a old school bag glove.

Yves Edwards 31:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:09 You know? Like those old school-

Yves Edwards 31:10 Like oven mitt almost.

Joe Rogan 31:10 You see Joe Louis with those old school bag gloves? Those, it's a very thin glove-

Yves Edwards 31:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:14 ... that would like cover the tips and they used to hit the bag with them back in like the fucking 20s.

Yves Edwards 31:18 Yeah, it was just like leather.

Joe Rogan 31:19 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 31:19 It's all... And then maybe, maybe that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 31:22 Like, um, keeps the, the glove-

Joe Rogan 31:24 To the ground.

Yves Edwards 31:24 ... in just kinda a, a topping of that type thing with it.

Joe Rogan 31:27 Yeah. And you-

Yves Edwards 31:27 That, that makes so much sense.

Joe Rogan 31:28 But, yeah, why would the tips of the fingers... Like, you don't, in grappling, you never use individual fingers.

Yves Edwards 31:33 No.

Joe Rogan 31:34 You cup, you, everything is done like this.

Yves Edwards 31:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:36 It wouldn't change anything. Like-

Yves Edwards 31:38 Nothing at all.

Joe Rogan 31:38 It wouldn't change a single thing.

Yves Edwards 31:40 The on- the only thing it changes is, is, yeah, 'cause he, it doesn't even change this grip.

Joe Rogan 31:44 No.

Yves Edwards 31:45 Oh, oh.

Joe Rogan 31:45 And still, it makes it better, honestly.

Yves Edwards 31:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 You have more grip.

Yves Edwards 31:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Like if it's like, uh, you know, like, um, a suede type of material-

Yves Edwards 31:53 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:53 ... like something that's a little rough, you could actually get good grip.

Yves Edwards 31:56 Yeah, that, yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 31:57 It would help grappling 'cause gloves definitely hurt some submissions. They get in the way of rear naked chokes. It's one of the reasons why George's submission over Bisping was so impressive because he went this way, you know? He went-

Yves Edwards 32:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:10 ... deep back of the hand to the back of the neck, the real way-

Yves Edwards 32:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:13 ... which you don't, sometimes you don't see because a guy can't get the glove in there.

Yves Edwards 32:17 Yeah, that's, that's the one that's on the, on the display image of like, you know-

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 32:20 ... of, of jiu-jitsu jokes.

Joe Rogan 32:22 Yeah, I mean, that one was fucking tight. That was crazy to watch George do that. But, yeah, they gotta figure out something. You don't need to have these open. It doesn't affect wrist control, it doesn't affect any kind of grappling. And in fact, it would make it better. What is Bellator? It's those ones they have. Yeah, Bellator has done what Pride did.

Yves Edwards 32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Where they curved it. I like it. They use an Everlast, Everlast is their glove manufacturer and obviously they make fucking killer shit. But, um, what they're doing is having it so it's, it's more difficult to open your fingers up. That's a smart move. It's a little, a little thicker too, it looks like.

Yves Edwards 33:00 And you didn't, you didn't see a lot of, um, eye pokes at Pride either.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Eye pokes. No, you didn't. That's the point, right?

Yves Edwards 33:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:06 It was very, it was... The UFC, those gloves, it's almost harder to close than it is to, to open them.

Yves Edwards 33:13 Yeah, and in, I don't know, I feel like maybe it was just the commission, but I feel like, you know, you always break your gloves in.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 33:20 You try to break them in a little, 'cause they're stiff when you first get them, they're new. Um, but there was at least one commission, they, (laughs) they wouldn't even let us like, you know, break the gloves in. They wouldn't give you the gloves. You had to, you didn't get them until you put them on.

Joe Rogan 33:32 That must be some amateur shit. Like some commission-

Yves Edwards 33:35 They-

Joe Rogan 33:35 ... that doesn't know what they're doing yet.

Yves Edwards 33:36 You know what commission doesn't know what they're doing? Not, not the commission, um, the hospitals after the, after the fight itself in New York.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Really?

Yves Edwards 33:44 The man in Brooklyn, I had the, the, the crazy... Well, I had, it wasn't me. Dustin Poirier had the craziest trip. We... So after that fight with Jim Miller, with all those shin kicks-

Joe Rogan 33:55 Right.

Yves Edwards 33:55 ... they were both, they both went to the hospital with the calf kicks. And, um, Dustin's calf and shin was swollen and they were, um, giving him some morphine in the, in the truck when we got there. And they, the, the doctor came in and they wanted to perform a surgery on him there. They wanted to slice his shin open, um, and, and relieve the, the pressure 'cause they were saying, "You're gonna lose nerve tissue and, and your nerves are gonna die. And, and, um, you, if you start not feel... When they go it's no, there's no coming back. You can't re-, fix, you can't fix those things." Um, they were really pushing for this thing. It was just a crazy situation, right? So we were like, "Hey, Dustin, man." And then, um, I called Mike Brown back there and we start having this discussion about... It's just like a, it's leg kicks. We've seen this all the time in the thigh-

Joe Rogan 34:39 Right.

Yves Edwards 34:39 ... and what not. No, no, no, they're not... And Dustin's like, "Yeah, I don't wanna do that." Um, then they started... He was like, "Yeah, I wanna get out of here," basically. And he was like, "Can I just have something for the pain?" A- and it felt like they were like, "No." Uh, they said, "No, um, we're not gonna let you leave here on pain medication." And I felt like they were trying to keep him there, entice him to stay (laughs) with fucking pain medication. It wa- it was just a really weird situation and we were there for way too long, and they were really pushing for this. Like three or four different doc- no, three different doctors came in trying to convince him to get this surgery done that night.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Whoa.

Yves Edwards 35:14 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Just for some swelling?

Yves Edwards 35:16 For swelling in the calf and the shin.

Joe Rogan 35:18 That doesn't make any sense.

Yves Edwards 35:20 It doesn't. I, I, honestly, my-

Joe Rogan 35:22 Why, why would they think that it would cause nerve damage to have so much swelling?

Yves Edwards 35:28 The, the, the, the swelling was pushing up against the blood vessels supposedly and there wasn't, um, circulation coming through, that's what was happening.

Joe Rogan 35:37 Wow.

Yves Edwards 35:37 I- this is, this is what they... I, and this was over a year ago, so I'm trying to remember exactly and I'm not a med- I'm not a doctor. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:44 Right.

Yves Edwards 35:44 Um, but the, the swelling and they were asking him about, um, 'cause he was having some, some loss of sensation, right?

Joe Rogan 35:52 Right.

Yves Edwards 35:52 In his toes. But he had just fought, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:56 Right.

Yves Edwards 35:56 And they'd given him morphine and all this other stuff. So, um, they've been, you know, poking at his toes with the pen or something. "You feel that? You feel that?" He's like, "Yeah, a little bit. No." And, you know-

Joe Rogan 36:04 Right.

Yves Edwards 36:04 ... all these different answers. And, um, they would, they claimed to be concerned about it. They were telling him that this is what, this is a possibility and this is what's gonna happen and we wanna prevent it.... eh, they- they weren't like, "Well, this is guaranteed that this is what's going on-"

Joe Rogan 36:17 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 36:17 "... This is just the realistic possibility and we wanna prevent it."

Joe Rogan 36:21 Oh.

Yves Edwards 36:21 And it was just like, he wanted to wait as long as possible and they- they were just, they- they just seemed to be really pushy about wanting to do this.

Joe Rogan 36:28 So where were they gonna make the incision?

Yves Edwards 36:30 In- in the shin, up the shin.

Joe Rogan 36:35 How big?

Yves Edwards 36:36 Straight, like-

Joe Rogan 36:36 How big?

Yves Edwards 36:36 It was, it was big. It was as b- as long as my phone.

Joe Rogan 36:39 What?

Yves Edwards 36:40 So that was the ins- that's why we were like, "Yeah, this is kinda crazy."

Joe Rogan 36:43 And they would just wanna drain it?

Yves Edwards 36:45 And they wanna drain it, they wanna release the pressure, right? And then they were like, "Well, we can... There's a test that we can do."

Joe Rogan 36:51 You can't really see it-

Narrator 36:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:52 ... from that angle but-

Yves Edwards 36:53 Oh, and it was so much-

Joe Rogan 36:54 It was nasty.

Yves Edwards 36:54 ... worse than the hospital.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah, it was nasty.

Yves Edwards 36:56 They were, they were like, "There's- there's a..." He, when Dustin was like, "I don't- I don't like that idea. W- I don't wanna do that." And they were like, "I don't think that... Let's just wait." And he's like, well, they were like, "Well, there's a thing that we can do but we have to take a needle." And they wanted to take a needl- a long needle, stick it into his leg, pass the bone, into the muscle-

Joe Rogan 37:12 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 37:13 ... and like do a pressure test on it.

Joe Rogan 37:14 What?

Yves Edwards 37:15 And he was like, "Yeah, I don't like..." He all... Oh f- it was crazy because he doesn't like needles, right?

Joe Rogan 37:19 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 37:19 Dustin hates needles. And I'm like, all those tattoos in you-

Joe Rogan 37:22 Covered in tattoos.

Yves Edwards 37:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:23 Fights for a living, scared of needles.

Yves Edwards 37:25 I'm the same way about needles but I don't have the tattoos that kid has. But he's just like, "I don't wanna do that. I don't want..." Like, he's like, "No." 'Cause the needle they wanted would've been this much in i- inside his shin. That much needles.

Joe Rogan 37:36 What, five inches?

Yves Edwards 37:37 Yeah. I don't know how long it would've been but-

Joe Rogan 37:38 Big, a lot.

Yves Edwards 37:39 ... it was, it was-

Joe Rogan 37:40 In there.

Yves Edwards 37:40 Yeah. It wasn't just like looking for a vein.

Joe Rogan 37:42 And they were just testing for pressure?

Yves Edwards 37:44 They were, they were like talking, they were saying they wanted to test-

Joe Rogan 37:47 Put a tire gauge in there and shit?

Yves Edwards 37:49 (laughs) Exactly.

Joe Rogan 37:49 What are they doing? (laughs)

Yves Edwards 37:50 (laughs) So- so- so anyway they, it didn't happen. D- the, Dustin, we started, Dustin started getting frustrated and- and- and they really pushing for it. It was late at night and- and I don't think I was helping the situation (laughs) because I was like, these guys are probably interns. They're probably back there with like a chart and they're like, they get, they get bonus points for whatever surgery they give.

Joe Rogan 38:12 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 38:12 You know?

Joe Rogan 38:13 You never know, man. People are really, uh, skeptical about that kinda stuff but you kn- I mean, (inhales) they definitely do surgeries on people they don't have to. Some doctors do. It definitely can happen.

Yves Edwards 38:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:25 You would hope that you're not running into one of those doctors but they have done it before.

Yves Edwards 38:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:29 I mean, there's a doctor that got, just got arrested recently and it was a whole story about all the different, uh, surgeries that he did that he didn't have to do.

Yves Edwards 38:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:38 And including cancer surgeries like he removed cancer on people that didn't even have cancer.

Yves Edwards 38:43 They didn't have cancer.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 38:44 Yeah, that's- that's a scam on-

Joe Rogan 38:45 Doctor starts driving a fat Mercedes.

Yves Edwards 38:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:48 Gotta make those payments.

Yves Edwards 38:49 He should've just got into the plastic surgery business.

Joe Rogan 38:51 I know, right? You could talk those crazy ladies into anything.

Yves Edwards 38:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Anything and everything.

Yves Edwards 38:56 You need some, you need- you need to take some of that meat outta your butt and put it in your lips.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Yeah, that's the move. Meaty butt lips.

Yves Edwards 39:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:05 So were the, were they icing the shin the entire time?

Yves Edwards 39:07 They were.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 39:08 They had ice on it, they had a drip for, uh, like a morphine drip to kill the pain.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Why didn't they just wait a couple days?

Yves Edwards 39:14 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 39:15 Why'd they wanna just go right into it right now?

Yves Edwards 39:17 They wanted to like, they wanted to do it that night. And- and they- they said-

Joe Rogan 39:21 That seems so weird.

Yves Edwards 39:21 ... they said they didn't wanna, the reason why they didn't wanna wait was because when the nerve, nerve damage happens, when the nerves die-

Joe Rogan 39:28 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 39:28 ... that's it, they're dead. There's no way to-

Joe Rogan 39:30 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 39:30 ... you know?

Joe Rogan 39:30 Right.

Yves Edwards 39:32 To bring those things back, so.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Man, I just, uh, I wonder. Wonder if that's right. I don't wanna be talking shit about the doctors.

Yves Edwards 39:42 I- it's, it's, it's not right because Dustin fought again after that and he's still fighting-

Joe Rogan 39:47 A couple months later, yeah.

Yves Edwards 39:47 ... and he's fighting in a few weeks.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Like, when was his leg better?

Yves Edwards 39:51 Um, shoot. He got on the plane the next day. So I had had, real quick, little side note, I had had some prob- I was helping him for that camp and- and I had an injury and, um, I got Tylenol with codeine in it. And man, that stuff r- that's- that's powerful medicine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:10 (laughs) How powerful is it?

Yves Edwards 40:11 It was pow- I w- I was like, I couldn't... Dustin took me to the hospital and I went in and I was- I was in so much pain and they were like, they prescribed that. I took one pill and about 20 minutes later I was like, this was the first time I was able to relax in like three days the pain was so bad. And I was like, "When I get b-" And I got to the end of my c- my thing, I had like two pills left and I was like, "I don't need 'em."

Joe Rogan 40:33 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 40:33 "I'll keep 'em in case I get hurt again at some point." (laughs) You know? And, um, fortunately I had 'em because I was like, "Dude, like this, that- that- that pain that you're going through, when you get on a plane..." 'Cause I- I, in Japan I had busted my foot and then I had to fly 16 hours and my foot was swelling on the plane. It was...

Joe Rogan 40:49 It's- it's the pressure of being at high altitude, right?

Yves Edwards 40:51 Yeah. It was miserable. It started in my- in my- in my foot and my ankle and it swole up into my shin and got all the way down into my toes.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Ooh.

Yves Edwards 40:57 But it was, so I was like, that's, I don't want that to happen to you. So like- like it's gonna be miserable, just take this with you and- and take a pill. You know? Um, he- he just took one pill. He said it was a great feeling.

Joe Rogan 41:08 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 41:08 It helped with the- helped with the flight.

Joe Rogan 41:10 I got ahold of some of that old school NyQuil back in the day. I've only taken it like maybe two or three times ever in my life. But the last time I got some was like 20 years ago. I took some... I was sick and I took old school NyQuil and I was lying in bed and it was like my- my bed was just hugging me. My bed was made out of love and it was just hugging me and I was like, "Ah." Like I didn't give a fuck about that cold.

Yves Edwards 41:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:35 I was just so relaxed. Like old school NyQuil's amazing.

Yves Edwards 41:39 I- I re- I remember that. I-

Joe Rogan 41:41 That's codeine, right? Isn't it?

Yves Edwards 41:42 I think codeine was in NyQuil.

Joe Rogan 41:44 Ooh, it was nice. It was-

Yves Edwards 41:46 Man, back in the day, um, Tito Ortiz, I- I- I called Tito at one point, 'cause I was real sick. I had a fight coming up too and I was like, "Man, I don't- I don't know what to do." He's like, "Here's what you do. You take three packs of Theraflu and you put that in one cup of water." Right? (laughs) And I- I- I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:03 (laughs) That's some Huntington Beach doctor talk.

Yves Edwards 42:07 (laughs) So- so he's like, "You boil the cup, you boil the water and you pour that and you put three flas- three packs of Theraflu in there." I was like, um...... I, I started to do it and I was like, "Man, Tito's a light heavyweight. I'm gonna do two."

Joe Rogan 42:20 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 42:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:21 That's a good move.

Yves Edwards 42:22 Uh-

Joe Rogan 42:22 I'm glad you did that. You're still here with us.

Yves Edwards 42:24 I'm glad I did it two (laughs)

Young Jamie Vernon 42:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:25 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 42:25 'cause I, I was out for 18 hours, man.

Joe Rogan 42:27 Wow.

Yves Edwards 42:28 I s- I, like I laid down, I woke up and I still, I felt like I c- I just don't wanna get up, and I slep- I slept for... I was in bed for 18 hours. I did wake up feeling better, though. Like-

Joe Rogan 42:38 Yeah, I would imagine.

Yves Edwards 42:40 You know?

Joe Rogan 42:40 And you probably weren't thinking about the cold at all.

Yves Edwards 42:42 No.

Joe Rogan 42:42 And so the stress was gone and you're getting that rest, you're out cold.

Yves Edwards 42:46 I know, I was-

Joe Rogan 42:47 You know.

Yves Edwards 42:47 ... I was laid out. I was-

Joe Rogan 42:48 That's one of the best-

Yves Edwards 42:50 ... really out.

Joe Rogan 42:50 It, uh, that's one of the best arguments for, like, cold medicine, is that they let you go to sleep. Like, if I'm sick and miserable, I can't fucking sleep.

Yves Edwards 42:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:58 But if you take something, you just fucking... Theraflu's a good one. You just, it cleans you out, like you can breathe and you just conk the fuck out.

Yves Edwards 43:07 And, and isn't that when you, um-

Joe Rogan 43:09 What is this, Jamie?

Young Jamie Vernon 43:10 That old school NyQuil, it had, uh, pseudoephedrine in it which is what-

Yves Edwards 43:13 Woo.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:13 ... is used to make meth.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Oh, Jesus.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:16 Well-

Yves Edwards 43:16 Doesn't meth keep you up, though?

Joe Rogan 43:17 Yeah that doesn't make any sense.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:19 Yeah, it's a s- it's a stimulant, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:19 But it says Pseudoephed.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:20 Well this, I got to Google what it was, this is what-

Joe Rogan 43:22 Yeah, but Pseudoephed is not NyQuil. No, no, no, no, no.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:25 No. All right.

Joe Rogan 43:25 Pseudoephed's very different.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:26 So explain then.

Joe Rogan 43:26 Pseudoephed's a stimulant. Pseudoephed is the stuff that cleans your nose out.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:30 Right, right. This is what, um-

Yves Edwards 43:32 That's like, that original NyQuil-

Young Jamie Vernon 43:33 ... the original NyQuil had pseudoephedrine in it.

Yves Edwards 43:34 Oh, the original NyQuil.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:36 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 43:36 "The original 'Green Death' formula NyQuil is behind the pharmacy counter now because, gasp, it has the evil pseudoephedrine in it." Oh, so you can buy that shit still?

Young Jamie Vernon 43:44 Some people were looking at it. I was finding an article someone was looking for it in New York.

Joe Rogan 43:48 That's 2013, I gotta get a good doctor.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:50 (sighs) Might be able to find some stuff.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Mm-hmm. Interesting. That stuff fucks you up.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:57 It go, i- you go deep with that stuff.

Young Jamie Vernon 43:59 I think it's the chemical that it's mixed with.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Right.

Young Jamie Vernon 44:01 Probably fucks in the abdomen.

Joe Rogan 44:02 It's the pseudoephedrine's probably what keeps you alive.

Young Jamie Vernon 44:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:05 The c- the codeine wants to drag you down into the grave, but if pseudoephedrine shit keeps you alive.

Yves Edwards 44:11 That's the thing about, about sleeping though, right? That's when, um, when your body... Everything else is off.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 44:17 So all your body can do is, is, is heal.

Joe Rogan 44:19 You know what else happens, man? You make good decisions. Like, that term "sleep on it", that's not a joke.

Yves Edwards 44:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:27 There's something about going to sleep with a problem, waking up in the morning and you have a new perspective. You're like, "Ah, it's not that big a deal." Or, "Ah, it's all right." Or, "Ha, I don't care." Or, you know, or, "Maybe I should do something about this." Or, "Maybe I should apologize. Maybe I should..." You know, something about sleeping on something, I don't know what it is, man, but it, it gives me a truer compass as to which direction I should go.

Yves Edwards 44:47 There's a thing about that too, there's, um, (clears throat) sleeping on it. I, I had to teach myself some things about, like, car mechanics (laughs) . And I, I, I had a problem, but somebody was like, "That's your alternator." I was like, well, 'cause my engine wouldn't stay on, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:01 Right.

Yves Edwards 45:01 Um, I was like, "Really?" I was like, "How much does that cost?" And I was broke, it was, I was in f- I was just fighting (laughs) you know? I was, there was no UFC even on the horizon yet. Um, and, um, I'm like, "How much does that cost?" And I was like, "Too much. Shit." I was like, he's like, "I can do it for you." He was like, "You can do it?" I was like, "How many you gonna..." I was like, "I can't afford that either."

Joe Rogan 45:20 Right.

Yves Edwards 45:20 "But if you can do it, I'll figure it out." So I went to the store, I was like, "Hey, I need to buy an alternator for this, this model car." They were like, "Okay." They bring it out and they're like... They weren't going, they weren't gonna give it to me 'cause you have to give them the other one back. You have to exchange it.

Joe Rogan 45:34 Really?

Yves Edwards 45:35 Yeah. Like, at least this is the way it was in like 2000 Texas, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:38 Oh, okay.

Yves Edwards 45:39 So, um, but fortunately one of the managers at that store was one of my students-

Joe Rogan 45:43 Oh.

Yves Edwards 45:43 ... who lived right across the street from my gym. So I was like, he was like, "Here, you can take it, just bring the alternator back." I was like, "Awesome." Because I didn't know what an alternator was.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Right.

Yves Edwards 45:50 My plan was to grab it, go look at my engine and s- like find (laughs) just find the like thing.

Joe Rogan 45:55 Right.

Yves Edwards 45:55 You know? So that's what I did, I found the like thing, I put it in there, um, I changed it. I took the other one back, but I couldn't get the belt on.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Of course.

Yves Edwards 46:02 I did everything that... I was trying to do everything and somebody was like, "The tensioning bolt." And I was like, "I don't know what you're talking about." And I slept on it. I went to bed that night, I went to sleep and I woke up, (snaps fingers) ran downstairs, connected it. You know? Like, I, I, 'cause overnight-

Joe Rogan 46:16 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 46:16 ... th- there was something about being relaxed and not being, like, stressed about trying to find it right now. It's right in front of me.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 46:22 I'm just away from it and I see the whole engine in my sleep and it's like, you put the ratchet in there and you pull on it, and that's, that's the tensioning bolt.

Joe Rogan 46:30 I have a, a crazy spiritual idea about that. I think when you go to sleep you go into the spirit world. When you come back, you're refreshed. I think you live a new life every morning. Think you live on the momentum of your past life-

Yves Edwards 46:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:44 ... but I think you have a new life every morning. You just return from the spirit world with the mess that you left behind-

Yves Edwards 46:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:49 ... and you gotta clean it up. Clean it up and figure it out, and like, "Oh yeah, yeah. I shoulda just cranked that bolt over there. Okay." It all makes sense.

Yves Edwards 46:57 There's something to that, 'cause I got some stuff going on now where I'm just like, when I wake up the next day, I'm like, "You know what? It's not that big of a deal."

Joe Rogan 47:04 It's not that big of a deal.

Yves Edwards 47:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Most things are not that big of a deal.

Yves Edwards 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 If you're still alive and you're walking around and talking, ultimately it's not that big of a deal. Like, you, w- I give things like the 10 year test. Like if you look back on 10 years, how much of a big deal was this gonna be?

Yves Edwards 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Not that big of a deal.

Yves Edwards 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 It's a fucking alternator, you know? (laughs)

Yves Edwards 47:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 Not that big of a deal. The 10 year test is a good test.

Yves Edwards 47:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:27 But-

Yves Edwards 47:27 That makes a lot of sense.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yeah. But people operate on momentum, that's a big problem with people. You know? Like when you go to bed, you wake up in the morning, you just still got the shit that you left behind the day before piling up, and bills you gotta pay, and chores you gotta do, and all these different tasks that need to get done, like, "Fuck." And like you can't ever get behind it.

Yves Edwards 47:48 It's, it's, it's a good day when, when I feel like, "Okay everything's done."

Joe Rogan 47:52 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 47:53 And like, "This day is completely mine."

Joe Rogan 47:56 Yeah, man. That's fucking... That's... To, to, to have like a clean slate in your mind in terms of things you need to do, there's no, uh, way to underestimate that.

Yves Edwards 48:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 That's giant. You can't underem- emphasize how important that is.

Yves Edwards 48:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Or overemphasize rather.

Yves Edwards 48:13 I completely agree with that. Is, um...I'm one of those guys, my brain, I feel like as soon as I wake up, the first thought leads into the next, into the next, and you, you, you ha- you can't stay ahead of it.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 48:26 And not staying ahead of it, you're, you're kinda being dragged along, being pulled by these thoughts in all these different directions. Especially when I'm trying to organize something. Sometimes I, if I don't have a list or something like that, I'm, I'm not gonna get ... If I have five things to do, I might get one thing done if I don't have a list.

Joe Rogan 48:40 You know what changed, uh, a lot of my life? I started working out early in the morning. My f- my day almost always starts out ... Today's one of the rare days where it didn't. All right, today I'm gonna work out after the podcast. But most days, I get up in the morning and I work out. And the only reason why I didn't do it today is 'cause everyone in my house is sick. Everyone. And I wa- I wanted to get some sleep.

Yves Edwards 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 My k- kids are little petri dishes, man. They're just always sick. Everybody's sick. (clears throat) So I'm t- I'm the only one so far that's been able to fight it off. And I woke up yesterday, I'm like, "Ooh, I got a sore throat. Like, it's coming." And I fought it off yesterday and I fought it off today. I got in the sauna, chilled out. But something changed in my life when I started working out in the morning. My thought process became clearer. It made, made, it makes more sense because I clean out my mind when I work out. So I get up and the first thing I do is just go work out and clean out my mind. My mind gets cleaned up. Um, my body's, like, fully, uh, elevated in terms of, like, my heart rate got jacked up, I'm sweating like a pig, I already strained, I already pushed, I already got over some shit, already made it to the end. And then whoa. So there's already a victory by the time it's, you know, 8:00 AM.

Yves Edwards 49:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 That, that to me ... Like, then my day just starts off way better. Like, I start off w- with a clear perspective.

Yves Edwards 50:05 Yeah, I guess (clears throat) it's similar when I, especially when I was fighting because you woke up, get a run in, eat something, head to the gym.

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:14 You know?

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:14 And then, and then you train. Now that, especially-

Joe Rogan 50:17 Did you run fasted?

Yves Edwards 50:19 Yeah. I, like, I would, that would be the first thing I did. I'd brush my teeth and go for a run. You know? I, I, I didn't, I didn't like eating anything before a run.

Joe Rogan 50:27 This is when you were living in Texas?

Yves Edwards 50:28 This is whenever.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 50:30 Like, even to this day, when I run, like, uh, especially, especially in Texas because in the summer (laughs) you, you've-

Joe Rogan 50:37 It's hot as fuck.

Yves Edwards 50:37 ... gotta go early in the morning. Right?

Joe Rogan 50:38 Gotta get it in before it turns into a barbecue outside.

Yves Edwards 50:40 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 50:41 But what I was gonna say is in Texas, you're d- mostly flat. It's mostly flat, right?

Yves Edwards 50:44 Yeah. Especially, especially in Houston. Austin has some hills.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 50:49 Um, but Houston is ... They're, they're the ... The only hills in Houston are the overpasses on the highway.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Right.

Yves Edwards 50:54 You know?

Joe Rogan 50:54 But now that you're out here, man, there's some ferocious trails you can run.

Yves Edwards 50:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 50:58 There's a, there's a hill on my street that's, um, a quarter mile.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Oh.

Yves Edwards 51:02 Oh, it's miserable.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah, there's some miserable shit in the Hollywood Hills.

Yves Edwards 51:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:05 Like, whoa. Yeah, if you wanted to get at the bottom and do some sprints going up it. That's so good for your knees too because, you know, you're not really, uh, stomping down. You know, you're, you're-

Yves Edwards 51:14 You're pushing up.

Joe Rogan 51:14 Yeah, you're pushing up.

Yves Edwards 51:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:16 So it's just, it's basically like doing a bunch of lunges.

Yves Edwards 51:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:20 You know?

Yves Edwards 51:20 Yeah, you feel it in your ass.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Dude, my ass is way bigger than it used to be. Looks good. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 51:26 (laughs) There was a, there was a, there was a drill one, and I did this a couple of times, um. (clears throat) Y- they would incline the treadmill-

Joe Rogan 51:35 Hmm.

Yves Edwards 51:35 ... to the, to its peak.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 51:36 And then turn it up to, like, 12 or 10 or 12, and you're sprinting for, like, 15 seconds. That was miserable. I, I would, you'd feel that really, really hard. I hated doing that.

Joe Rogan 51:45 It's great until you fall off.

Yves Edwards 51:47 Yeah, exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:47 Like, how do you get off that fucking thing when you're sprinting?

Yves Edwards 51:50 (laughs) You gotta grab the edges and hop.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Did you know what I just started using the other day? It's a motherfucker. Is that VersaClimber.

Yves Edwards 51:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Whoo!

Yves Edwards 51:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:58 God damn.

Yves Edwards 51:59 I've never been on it for an extended period of time.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Oh.

Yves Edwards 52:02 Always in a circuit.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Ugh. Yeah, I did it in a circuit too. It was the, the-

Yves Edwards 52:06 It-

Joe Rogan 52:06 ... last exercise.

Yves Edwards 52:07 It's miserable.

Joe Rogan 52:07 I was like, "Motherfucker, this thing." Like, you do the first two or three strokes, you're like, "I can get through this." And then you're, like, 10 in, you're like, "Oh, shit." You're like, "How much time I got left? A minute and 10 seconds?"

Yves Edwards 52:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 "How's that possible?" I'm like, "I am not gonna make a minute and 10 seconds of this."

Yves Edwards 52:23 It feels weird because, like, with every stroke-

Joe Rogan 52:26 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 52:27 ... it doe- it, it doesn't ... It's not heavy or hard to make the stroke. It feels like it's nothing, but you're also-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Right.

Yves Edwards 52:32 ... going nowhere. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:33 Right. (laughs) Yeah.

Yves Edwards 52:35 And it's just like you have, you're making this motion and you don't know-

Joe Rogan 52:38 And you gotta look up to read the shit. You know, you're like down here like this, like, "How much time? How, how is that possible?"

Yves Edwards 52:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:43 "I've only been doing this for 15 seconds." I, you know what I like? That and, um, there's a thing called the Echo Bike that Rogue makes that I have out here.

Yves Edwards 52:51 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Holy shit, it's an Airdyne, but it's like an Airdyne built for gorillas. Like, if you're gonna put an Airdyne machine in a fucking gorilla cage-

Yves Edwards 52:59 (laughs) Sure.

Joe Rogan 52:59 ... you'd make, like, this Rogue one. It's a thick-ass fucking steel thing with thick-ass handles. Everything's, like, super beefy and jacked up. God damn, that thing kicks your ass.

Yves Edwards 53:08 You gotta show me that. I wa- I wa- I wanna try it.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Oh, it's the shit, man. It's the shit. I do Tabatas on that, so I'll do 20s and 10s. 20 seconds work, 10-second break. Fuck. It's fucking hard, man.

Yves Edwards 53:20 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Those Airdyne machines look so ... They look like nothing. That's one of those things where you look at it, you're like, "How can that be hard?"

Yves Edwards 53:27 Yeah. It (sighs) it's hard too when you, when you alternate.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:31 You know what I mean? So you, you're riding them both together, but you're doing a conditioning workout and your coach is standing right there and you, you take your feet-

Joe Rogan 53:38 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:38 ... off of the pedals and you're pumping with your arms.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:40 That's miserable.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Oh, that's miserable as fuck.

Yves Edwards 53:42 That's, that's so ... And, and, and I also don't li- like ... Not that I don't like it, but one of the ... In the conditioning workouts, the parts that were so hard and, and kinda draining, that, uh, I don't know what you call it, but it's the, with the hydraulic presses.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:55 Oh, that's miserable too.

Joe Rogan 53:56 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 53:56 Because every direction-

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 53:59 ... you ... Like, there's no rest on that machine.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 54:01 There's none.

Joe Rogan 54:02 It's kinda crazy when you go back and look at, like, old school strength and conditioning workouts that fighters used to do and, you know, comparison to what, all the crazy shit that guys do today.

Yves Edwards 54:12 Who, which, which camp ... Well, it's an argument.

Joe Rogan 54:16 It's okay.

Yves Edwards 54:17 But which camps ... I'll go with camps 'cause I feel like there's two. Which camps really started that, that, that-... like, the conditioning thing, who were ahead of the game?

Joe Rogan 54:25 I always think ATT. I always think of them, 'cause they were like... When Lambert created that place, Dan Lambert, the fucking man. That guy, that guy's done a lot for MMA.

Yves Edwards 54:35 Yeah, he has.

Joe Rogan 54:35 And doesn't get his horn blown enough.

Yves Edwards 54:37 Yeah, he has.

Joe Rogan 54:37 All, all due respect.

Yves Edwards 54:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:39 Uh, he, uh, he put a shit ton of money into American Top Team, and one of the things that they did about it was make it a full... Like, they have everything. They have great wrestling coaches, great striking coaches, great Jiu-Jitsu, huge facility, everything's state of the art. And I always felt like those guys were at a very high level early on.

Yves Edwards 54:59 (burps)

Joe Rogan 54:59 Like, I remember Thiago Alves was making weight. This is back when like Thiago Alves was a gorilla. Remember how big he was at 170?

Yves Edwards 55:08 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Remember when he fought Matt Hughes?

Yves Edwards 55:09 Matt Hughes.

Joe Rogan 55:09 And he didn't make the weight, and he looked like he weighed about 400 pounds?

Yves Edwards 55:12 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 He didn't even look like a human, man.

Yves Edwards 55:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:14 He was so jacked. Well, he was making weight once, and it was, uh, a fight that they did. I think it was at the Hard Rock. I don't remember. Um, but it was somewhere where they had... Maybe it was at The Palms. Some- somewhere where they had like the smaller ring, I think. I don't know why I remember this. But what I remember was, he was warming up for that day's fight. Um, he had made weight and then, um, after making weight, they had a workout that they would do to put weight back on him. And one of the things that they would do is really burn him out. So, they had him... He was in the gym. I wish he was here, I could ask him exactly what this was 'cause I'm talking many years ago. And he goes through this really hard pad work out. It's like, "Ba-ba-ba-bam, ba-ba-ba-bam, ba-ba-ba-bam." And they're, they were saying they wanted to pump everything up full of blood, and then they fill him up with carbs. And it would just, psh, everything would blow back up. So, like, the muscles get super dehydrated, 'cause he's draining himself out big time. You know, he was walking around north of 200 pounds.

Yves Edwards 56:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:20 Cutting down to 170. And then after the weight cut, they would swell him back up again. So, they gotta put 30 pounds back on him in 24 hours. And that was one of the methods that they used, was exercise followed by fuel.

Yves Edwards 56:35 (laughs) I guess it, it, it kinda makes sense.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Kinda.

Yves Edwards 56:39 But it also confuses me.

Joe Rogan 56:40 It confuse me too, 'cause I'm a dummy.

Yves Edwards 56:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:42 And I was listening to him talking about this. I was like, "Okay, okay, why is this? Like, what's happening? How are you doing this?"

Yves Edwards 56:47 Like, what's... Like, I, I get the principle that you're saying, but what's the science behind it?

Joe Rogan 56:51 Right.

Yves Edwards 56:51 'Cause that's where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 56:52 Science, he looks like a gorilla when he fights.

Yves Edwards 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:54 I mean, he d- really put that weight back on well. And they had Gleison, and nobody is bigger at 155 than Gleison Tibau.

Yves Edwards 57:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Gleison Tibau looks like a fucking light heavyweight.

Yves Edwards 57:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 He's so big, and somehow or another he makes it down to 55. Like, when he gets on the scale, it's like yo- yo- it's like Yoel Romero. When he gets on the scale you're like, "Okay, am I seeing something wrong? Like, how is that 185? How's that possible?"

Yves Edwards 57:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 It doesn't make sense. Like, I'm watching him weigh in. He is 185. The guy says 185. He steps off, and you're like, "What in the fuck am I seeing? How's that possible?"

Yves Edwards 57:29 I get, I get that. Like, with Tibau, (clears throat) I've been in the locker room with Tibau a couple of times at ATT and I'm like, "Hey Tibau, what are you weighing right now, man?" He's like, "Oh, my friend, like 190." I'm like, "You're not 190. Get on the scale."

Joe Rogan 57:42 Bitch. (laughs)

Yves Edwards 57:42 "No, no. He don't wanna get on the scale. I guarantee you he's like 210."

Joe Rogan 57:46 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 57:46 "Get outta here with that 190."

Joe Rogan 57:48 He's so big.

Yves Edwards 57:49 He's huge.

Joe Rogan 57:49 He's so big. Yeah, look how big he is. Look at the fucking size of that guy.

Yves Edwards 57:54 That's a, that's a 155 pounder.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Look at the size of him. And he's, you know, 5'8", 5'9".

Yves Edwards 57:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Built like a tank. He's so big.

Yves Edwards 58:03 He's so strong, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:04 He's the most diesel guy that I've ever seen at 155. Like, that is about as thick as... I mean, there's- there's no room for error there. And he made weight a lot.

Yves Edwards 58:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:14 I mean, he might have missed it.

Yves Edwards 58:16 He missed it like once or twice, but he made... Most of the time Tibau made weight, he- it was miserable for him.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Well, go back to that one picture that you just showed. Oh, it's him, uh, fighting somebody. No, no, no, that one right there.

Yves Edwards 58:29 That's, um, Traktor.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 58:32 No, not Traktor. Um-

Joe Rogan 58:33 No, no, no. Um-

Yves Edwards 58:34 He just fought, um... (smacks lips) Oh, God. Why can't I rem-

Joe Rogan 58:39 I know who you're talking about, Brazilian cat.

Yves Edwards 58:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Masa rum... What's his crazy-

Yves Edwards 58:42 Masanduva.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Yeah, what is that crazy nickname?

Yves Edwards 58:45 Masanduva.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Goddamn it. Why I can't remember his name?

Yves Edwards 58:47 Same here.

Joe Rogan 58:48 (sighs)

Yves Edwards 58:48 Trinaldo.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Trinaldo.

Yves Edwards 58:49 Francisco Trinaldo.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah. Trinaldo fought 85 at EU-

Yves Edwards 58:53 Did both say-

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... UFC Brazil. Did he fight 85?

Yves Edwards 58:55 Tibau fought 80 f- Tibau fought 85, I believe. I know he fought Nick Diaz also at 70.

Joe Rogan 59:01 (laughs) That's crazy.

Yves Edwards 59:02 I don't... I feel like Ti- I don't know if Tibau fought in the UFC at 85 though.

Joe Rogan 59:05 No, I don't think he did.

Yves Edwards 59:06 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:08 But when you were saying that thing about, um, w- when you said about, what you said about ATT.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 59:13 I agree, but I mean even further back than that.

Joe Rogan 59:17 The earliest guys?

Yves Edwards 59:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Frank Shamrock was one of the earliest guys.

Yves Edwards 59:19 Frank Shamrock and then the Mi- and- and Milotic and those guys.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:22 But those guys-

Joe Rogan 59:22 But Frank Shamrock was the guy who really figured out conditioning.

Yves Edwards 59:25 Yeah, that's how he beat Tito.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:26 The first time.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Yeah, for sure. He was so small in that fight.

Yves Edwards 59:29 He was tiny, man.

Joe Rogan 59:29 He was like 190-

Yves Edwards 59:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:30 ... in that fight, and Tito was a gorilla. He was a big fella.

Yves Edwards 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Wore his ass out. That was when the weight class was 200 pounds too.

Yves Edwards 59:39 Yeah, you had to make 199 then.

Joe Rogan 59:40 Yeah, that was the- the early days.

Yves Edwards 59:43 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 59:45 It was very different back then, man. I was, um, I was scrolling through Fight Pass, watching the whole, like, entire events.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 59:51 Then I get down to like 2000. Like, it's like you're scrolling through and it's like 2017, has all these events across the screen. You gotta scroll. '16, the same thing. '15, it starts going down. You get to '10, it's like it's still less, but you still gotta scroll across the screen. Then you get to like '07 or you get to like '08 and it's like five events.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Right.

Yves Edwards 1:00:08 Five events, five events, and that's it. You know? Like, I have 21 UFC fights under my belt, but there were five UFCs a year back then.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:00:19 It's like, like now there's like two months you get like 6, 7, 7 cards.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Well, I feel-

Yves Edwards 1:00:25 But that's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 I always felt like you got fucked, and, uh, Josh Thompson and a lot of guys in your era, 'cause you- they cut out the 55 pound division for a long time. And then you went out and fought up Bodog and all these other organizations. There was no 55 for how many years?

Yves Edwards 1:00:39 (sighs) Um.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Quite a few.

Yves Edwards 1:00:41 Shoot. Yeah, like 2004 to 2000- 2005 to, like, 2010 for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Damn.

Yves Edwards 1:00:48 'Cause it didn't come back until, um, The Ultimate Fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah, like that's when Gilbert and Josh Thompson were having those epic wars over in Strikeforce.

Yves Edwards 1:00:57 Strikeforce. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 It's like those years, like there was those guys, like you, Thompson, and I feel like Gilbert... Gilbert staked his claim in the UFC and had some epic fights in the UFC, but I honestly don't think we see the same Gilbert that we saw in Strikeforce.

Yves Edwards 1:01:13 Yeah. Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 We... No one... Uh, no one could say better than you, 'cause you've been in there, that... How much those wars will just take out of you.

Yves Edwards 1:01:22 They will. And a guy like, like... The wars that Gilbert and Josh went through at Strikeforce.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Woo.

Yves Edwards 1:01:28 And then Gilbert is that kind of guy. He's just... Just like his fight with Diego.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Blood and guts, you know?

Yves Edwards 1:01:33 That's it. They're not, they're not backing down and, um, they got the chins to take it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:01:37 You know? There's not, there's not a lot of guys that can, that can take it like that. Um, I haven't been in a lot of wars that, that were back and forth. Even if the, the fight had some attrition, there was a lot of times it was, um... I was winning the striking battle and I wasn't taking as many shots as those guys have taken.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Right.

Yves Edwards 1:01:54 Um, and they... You have to have a chin to do that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:01:58 Man, like I, I couldn't imagine (laughs) to this day, having been in... Having... I have like... My record shows like 60-something fights, I have like 80-plus fights overall and I still... Like, I look at some of those fights like Diego and Gilbert and I'm like, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 (laughs)

Yves Edwards 1:02:16 I'm so glad... I... Joe, I remember as a kid, I was laying on my couch watching Vernon White and Pancrase. And I'm laying there watching and he's getting his ass beat and then it gets to the third round and he turns it around, knocks the guy out, right? And I'm like... I roll off of the couch, I get on my knees and I'm like, "God, please let me have fights like that. That was the kind of fights I want to have. Please, please, please." I'm like this young kid, you know, I just... And I want to do that. I want to have epic fights like that, right? But now that I'm done and I'm looking back at it, like there, there are times... I watched that Staudt fight and when I get hit I'm just like, oh. It was... It, it still... It hurts.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:02:48 It didn't hurt then, but like it hurts now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Right.

Yves Edwards 1:02:51 Like I feel like a, a slight physical pain from it. Not like it breaks my heart, it's... Yeah, that part will always hurt but I mean like that looks brutal. It looks painful.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:00 It's not, but it looks that way. But you know those fights where with Gilbert and, and... Like Gilbert and, and Diego when they're still in it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:10 That shit hurts.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:11 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Well, Gilbert didn't have to fight him that way.

Yves Edwards 1:03:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 That's why it was so crazy.

Yves Edwards 1:03:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Is that Gilbert decided to use his skills and fight a technical fight. He would have been... You know, he, he was the better fighter, technically, at the time.

Yves Edwards 1:03:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 But he just said, "Fuck it. Let's go to war." You know?

Yves Edwards 1:03:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 It's like... I mean, there's just not a whole lot of people that are willing to do that.

Yves Edwards 1:03:32 Yeah. That, that... I think that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:35 Um, like Aaron... Like my fight with Aaron Riley. Um, I was able to figure him out and I could pick him apart, so... And Aaron is the kind of guy who would go to war with you.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:03:45 Like if I figured you out, I'm not going to go to war. Like this... I'm not giving you a chance. Fuck you.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Right. Right. Why? Why?

Yves Edwards 1:03:51 You know, that's the thing. Why?

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:03:53 Like I don't have to prove to anybody else how much of a man I am. And on the other side of that, I don't like getting hit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 That shit's nonsense, that prove how much of a man you are by getting hit. That's, that's nonsense. I like when guys like Gilbert choose to go crazy and go to war, but that's on him. That's 'cause he wants to.

Yves Edwards 1:04:12 That is on him. But you know, like there's a guy who did something like that and he was willing to go to war, but you can see he, he still kept his technique when he went to war. And I'm talking about Max Holloway when he, when he, when he... With um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Ricardo Ramos. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:04:26 ... Lamas. When he's like right here, right now. He started trading, but he wasn't just sitting in the pocket trading. He was throwing his, getting out, coming back, getting some and getting out.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:04:35 And that's how you do that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:04:36 You know? You don't just sit there and go, "Okay, I got mine, now you get yours."

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Yeah. Just bite down on that mouthpiece and wing punches. Yeah, that, that... I mean, that's Diego's specialty.

Yves Edwards 1:04:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Diego's the best blood and guts fighter ever. I mean, every single fight he's ever had is blood and guts. I always go back to his fight with Martin Kampmann. Lost the first two rounds, he's got his face hanging off, like literally like a, like a zombie.

Yves Edwards 1:04:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 And he's chasing after Martin Kampmann and he wins the third round. Wins the third round against Ellenberger. He's fighting Ellenberger, who's at the time, you know, a strong, powerful 170lbs.

Yves Edwards 1:05:08 Yeah. Big puncher.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 Diego's got his back in the third round. He's beating him up. I mean, that's just blood and guts.

Yves Edwards 1:05:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 That guy's got more blood and guts than virtually, uh, like 99% of the population of the planet Earth.

Yves Edwards 1:05:22 Diego is one of those guys too that... He's a scary individual when you, when you look at him as like, okay, that's a potential opponent, especially in his prime.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:05:31 But away from that, he, like now-

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Super nice guy.

Yves Edwards 1:05:34 ... he's a really... Especially now.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:05:36 I was, um... When he fought Riggs (laughs) like I felt... I feel like, like those two kind of personalities, they're just gonna be like at it, at each other all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:05:48 Um, and you feel like that's how they're gonna be always. But like a guy like Diego, like look at what he's doing with, with, with the guys in, in Albuquerque. He's help-... I forget the guy's name, but he's helping out that guy that, that... He's a big UFC fan.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 The Down Syndrome guy?

Yves Edwards 1:06:00 The Down Syndrome.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Yves Edwards 1:06:01 I don't remember how old he is.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 That's amazing.

Yves Edwards 1:06:03 But like, like he's, he's committed to this.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 Mm-hmm.

Yves Edwards 1:06:05 It's not like, it's not like... And it's not like, "Hey, check