JRE MMA Show #22 with Bas Rutten

1. 0:00 – 3:03

   Bas breaks his hand: exhaustion, anger, and the “boxing fracture”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Whew. Three, two, one. Boom! And we are live with El Guapo as he tries to na- navigate his phone with his left hand. What did you punch with your right hand?

   2. BRBas Rutten0:12

      A table. A table that, uh, was stronger than me. Like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   4. BRBas Rutten0:16

      Yeah, this size table, never said it got away.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Why, why did you punch a table?

   6. BRBas Rutten0:19

      Okay. So I was in three states in six days. I slept four hours per night. I just came from Chicago. And this whole thing, I had to get up at 4:00. And then the, uh, I had a shoot, a commercial shoot for my body action system starting at 10:00. And this happened at 10:30 PM. So I was 12 and a half hours in and I already said, "Okay, you know what? I'm not gonna do it anymore." Because I, I couldn't retain information anymore. I, I had some lines to, lines to remember, you know. They were feeding me lines. I couldn't do it anymore. I said, "Uh, this is it. Like, I, I, I stop." But then they said, "Yeah, but if you can do this little thing." "Okay. I'll try that one more time." And, of course, it didn't work and I said, "You know what? I threw out my pho- uh, my gloves." And somehow, this is how stupid you are, you throw off your glove and two seconds after I took it off, I hit the table somehow. I still needed to hit something and I decided to do it without a glove instead of with a glove, a solid thing. Guess what's gonna lose?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:12

      (laughs)

   8. BRBas Rutten1:13

      My pinky knuckle. And they incapacitate your entire arm for that pretty much, I think. Just for a pinky knuckle. They call it a boxing fracture, fracture.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Yeah. This, these-

   10. BRBas Rutten1:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... these two are like, that's like the old school, bringing us back to karate combat. Old school karate days, they would always recommend that you punch like this.

   12. BRBas Rutten1:31

       You know what I did? And, and, and I know, and I was going to do that. But the amount of force I was using at this moment, I, I... Really fast, in milliseconds and you had to go. It's like, it's better to spread out the impact even more because I was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       'Cause you're hitting it so hard?

   14. BRBas Rutten1:42

       I, I, yeah, I knew I was gonna break the big one too, if I would do it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Ah.

   16. BRBas Rutten1:46

       Yeah. Uh, it was just one of those stupid thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       You just lost your marbles.

   18. BRBas Rutten1:49

       Ju- and, and five seconds because I hit, boom. They look at me, everybody's freaking out and I go, "No, it's over." He says, "You know pain?" I said, "No pain, but this broke." He said, "How do you know?" I said, (laughs) "Uh, trust me. I can feel it." So I was, right away I was calm again. Everything was good. Nobody died that night.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Damn, boss.

   20. BRBas Rutten2:04

       I know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       That right arm's been through hell.

   22. BRBas Rutten2:06

       It been. And, and you know, this, for me to lose cool like that, that happens once every five years or so. But I get angry? I never get angry.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Right.

   24. BRBas Rutten2:14

       I don't have that. Not that kind of anger that I hit something. I mean, how, how old am I, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Right.

   26. BRBas Rutten2:18

       You go, like that's the stuff you do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       But you s- you seem to always be a happy guy.

   28. BRBas Rutten2:22

       That's what I am. That, that... But I, I think it's also because I'm happy, so when it gets angry... That's with the fights. Tha- that's what always happens. I'm nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. Try to diffuse it, then I realize, wait a minute. And then I'm asking them, I say, "You're not, you don't think I'm afraid, right?" I say, "I'm doing this for you. I'm protecting (laughs) you right now. That's why I don't wanna fight." And at the moment you say that, you know, some of them call you bluff. And then, because you did it for such a long time, yeah, then I'll make sure that-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Time to smash.

   30. BRBas Rutten2:53

       ... s- boss smash, yeah.
2. 3:03 – 3:54

   Nerve damage recovery: atrophy, peptides (BPC-157), and slow progress

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      How is your arm doing in terms of like, the atrophy? Is it growing back?

   2. BRBas Rutten3:06

      You see the atrophy still up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      Oh, it's definitely growing back though.

   4. BRBas Rutten3:08

      Yeah. It gets a little bit bigger now. I have this new stuff that I'm trying. I have it at home. I need bacteriostatic water for it. It's a peptide called BPC-157. Did you ever hear of that?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Yes. Yeah. Ben Greenfield told me about that. It's great for tendons and ligaments and stuff.

   6. BRBas Rutten3:24

      Yeah, even nerves and it regrows apparently everything. In rats, I mean.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:27

      Yeah.

   8. BRBas Rutten3:27

      They regrow tendons, everything and I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try it locally here on the biceps, see what it does as soon as I have the water, let me try.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:34

      So it seems like the muscles are growing back though. Like, slowly but surely, right?

   10. BRBas Rutten3:38

       Yeah, but it's six years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Six years.

   12. BRBas Rutten3:41

       Look at this, and it's still-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       That's crazy.

   14. BRBas Rutten3:43

       Yeah. It's, I go 25 pounds, I can do eight times now, bicep curls with the right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       That's a lot better than it used to be though.

   16. BRBas Rutten3:51

       Yeah. I couldn't do five pounds, so.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Wow.

   18. BRBas Rutten3:53

       Yeah, not once.

3. 3:54 – 8:37

   Combat sports wear-and-tear: neck fusions, Don Frye’s surgeries, and artificial discs

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Pat Miletich has the same thing.

   2. BRBas Rutten3:56

      Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      Same thing, from his neck. You know what? You wanna hear the, how crazy Pat's injury was? Pat's disc had deteriorated so badly that his discs fused themselves.

   4. BRBas Rutten4:04

      (laughs) And he didn't, and he didn't realize that. That guy's a complete animal. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      He's a, he's a fucking animal. (laughs) He didn't even realize it. His discs fused themselves. He went to the doctor and they're like, "Well, we don't have to fuse it. It already fused itself."

   6. BRBas Rutten4:18

      Well, you can... Uh, if you talk to him and he looks t- at you, it- it's like he hasn't fused neck, right? He's always...

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      Yeah.

   8. BRBas Rutten4:24

      He's like Batman.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      Very stiff.

   10. BRBas Rutten4:24

       (laughs) You know, he looks to the side.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten4:26

       He can't move.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       Yeah.

   14. BRBas Rutten4:28

       So I guess-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       Fucking grappling, man.

   16. BRBas Rutten4:31

       I know. They'll blame it on, on punching and kicking but all the knees, injury, everything, my rib that was out my left side, it's all wrestling. It's grappling and wrestling.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah. Grappling. Wrestlers are all fucked up. We were talking about Kurt Angle yesterday who was an Olympic gold medalist, fantastic wrestler. I mean, he's got a neck that literally is like, the size of my waist. But his, his neck's so fucked up. Both of his arms are tiny and you can see the atrophy in his arms. Like, his, his arms don't match his neck, you know.

   18. BRBas Rutten4:57

       Oh, that sucks.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       And you can tell, like, y- I mean, obviously you know better than anybody-

   20. BRBas Rutten5:02

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       ... about neck injuries. Guys are always, like, their arms shrink-

   22. BRBas Rutten5:05

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       ... because they get atrophy. It cuts off the nerves.

   24. BRBas Rutten5:07

       Can you imagine if it... So b- with him, it's both ways then.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Yeah. Well, it looks... We should pull up that picture again, Jamie. See if you could find it. Um, this is Ronda Rousey's, uh, Instagram. You, you could see it clearly.

   26. BRBas Rutten5:18

       I, I, I saw him at the, at the induction, at the International Sports Hall of Fame. I was there for, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah.

   28. BRBas Rutten5:22

       ... with Ronda. I was there as well and he was sitting first row. But I... He was wearing a suit, of course, so I couldn't tell.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       Yeah. Well, he still looks like a tank.

   30. BRBas Rutten5:28

       Yeah, he does.
4. 8:37 – 9:47

   Stem cells for fighters: fat vs bone marrow harvesting and knee treatments

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      (laughs) Yeah. Well, they ... you know, we got really fucked up with, um... during the Bush administration, they, uh, they put a ban on all stem cell research. You know, they kind of, like, halted the breaks on funding stem cell research, which is really a, a shame-

   2. BRBas Rutten8:50

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:50

      ... 'cause now we're realizing stem ... 'cause they were ... they used to think that stem cells had to do, uh, with babies, like fetuses. They were thinking people were gonna get abortions just so they could use the stem cells. But now they realize that mesenchymal stem cells and adult stem, stem cells are some of the best. And one of the things they're doing in America now is sucking fat out of people, taking liposuction, and then using the stem cells from your own body to, to proliferate injured areas.

   4. BRBas Rutten9:16

      I did, I did it two weeks ago for my knees.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      Did you?

   6. BRBas Rutten9:19

      But, yeah, I have no fat though, so (laughs) they had to take it out-

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      (laughs)

   8. BRBas Rutten9:21

      ... of my hip bone. You know, they drill a hole in there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:23

      Oh, right. They take the marrow. Yeah.

   10. BRBas Rutten9:24

       Yeah, they take the bone marrow. And it's unfortunate because in the fat, apparently have five times more the amount of stem cells than you have-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Mm-hmm.

   12. BRBas Rutten9:30

       ... in the bone marrow, so ...

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       People out there that are fat are pumped to hear that. They're like, "Yes."

   14. BRBas Rutten9:34

       Oh, see? I told you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       "I have them for a reason. That's why I did it."

   16. BRBas Rutten9:37

       There's a reason.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       "Just, if I ever get injured, I've got a store of medicine right here."

   18. BRBas Rutten9:41

       That's why Tank Abbott never got injured.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       (laughs) Even if he did, he wouldn't know.

   20. BRBas Rutten9:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

5. 9:47 – 14:30

   Heavyweight oddities: Tank Abbott, Roy Nelson, and Butterbean health myths

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      (laughs) What is that guy doing these days?

   2. BRBas Rutten9:49

      I have no clue. I know he wrote a book. It was the last time he had it on The Inside of MMA.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      Oh, you guys had him on?

   4. BRBas Rutten9:53

      Yeah. I mean, that's five years ago.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:55

      Fucking love that guy. That guy was a fucking character. I mean, if it wasn't for guys like Tank Abbott, I mean, there would have been no early days.

   6. BRBas Rutten10:02

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      You know? I mean, you needed a guy like that, characters.

   8. BRBas Rutten10:04

      Yeah. You need to identify with him, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      Yeah.

   10. BRBas Rutten10:06

       So a lot of these crazy guys out there, "So he can do it, I can do this."

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten10:10

       That's what you need.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       Yeah. He had a giant bell and he would knock people dead.

   14. BRBas Rutten10:13

       Yeah. He, he, he was like a Roy Nelson, only with no stamina. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       (laughs) Yeah, well-

   16. BRBas Rutten10:19

       And, and, and no black belt in undergr-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       No black belt in Jujitsu, yeah.

   18. BRBas Rutten10:22

       No black belt in Jujitsu. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       Yeah. Well, Roy Nelson is a fucking complete anomaly, right?

   20. BRBas Rutten10:26

       Yeah. Yeah, he is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       I mean, who looks like that?

   22. BRBas Rutten10:28

       I, why can't he lose weight?

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       I don't know.

   24. BRBas Rutten10:29

       How is it possible that he ... he trains so hard. I've seen this guy throw around like 130, 155 pound kettle bells-

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       Yeah.

   26. BRBas Rutten10:35

       ... like one-arm swings, ring, ring, ring, like it's nothing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.

   28. BRBas Rutten10:38

       I go, you would lose weight, right? You would think, but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       He would be a 185 pound phenom.

   30. BRBas Rutten10:43

       Oh, yeah.
6. 14:30 – 18:21

   Karate Combat explained: the pit, rule set, takedowns, and the viewer experience

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:30

      (laughs) So tell me about this karate combat thing you're doing. We've seen the, the videos of it.

   2. BRBas Rutten14:34

      I... Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:35

      I like, I like the, the fighting surface, fighting in a pit.

   4. BRBas Rutten14:37

      Cool, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      It's a great idea.

   6. BRBas Rutten14:39

      Oh, and did you watch it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:40

      Yes.

   8. BRBas Rutten14:40

      I mean, the, the, what they do with the colors?

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BRBas Rutten14:42

       You know, when it's fight, it's like a little reddish and turns dark purple when there's a break, you're gonna run up that hill out of the pit. (laughs) That's a little bit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten14:49

       But I, I, I like it a lot. Yeah, because you can use the, the wall as well, that, uh, 45 angle degree there to jump up like Paris would do. You know, you can use it-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Right, right, right.

   14. BRBas Rutten14:58

       ... to put yourself, uh, to, to improve in the fight. So I think it's really great. I think the rules as well, they keep, kept everything on distance, long shots, long punches, the hooks, yeah, the mawashi geris, you know, which are pretty... so they allow hooks. They wanted to stay away from uppercuts, elbows and knees just before the cutting, uh, and they don't want to make it bloody. So they understand that, you know, you show tech-... everything is technique, of course. But for people who have been complaining, "I mixed martial arts, I can't understand the ground," and some other art's out there too complicated, well, this has been around for such a long time. Everybody knows karate. If you find out how many people did karate, I mean, when they grew up, look at this, it's a beautiful picture. The way it's filmed as well, if you... the camera, there's one camera goes behind the people. It's almost like a movie. The one camera angle they had from above, I said, "Okay, we got to stop with that one." That was the only one, but they did, they stopped. And then they got the, the heads-up display that is also something that nobody had ever before.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       That environment is perfect. It's, it's like a movie.

   16. BRBas Rutten16:02

       The arena.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Right.

   18. BRBas Rutten16:02

       That's how it should be. That's how MMA should be fought. It should be fought in open space. I feel like the cage is too much of a tool. Like, you can use the cage, you pin a guy to the cage and you can beat him up in the clinch, like Randy Couture always used to do. You could use the cage and get back up if somebody takes you down. If you, you get taken down on this, you get taken down. Like, that's it, you know. You're gonna have to get up with skill, like real skill, to see if you can get up there, that skill.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       The only thing about this is if you were in, in the distance, if it was quite a, a distance away, it seems like, "Oh, you could throw guys?"

   20. BRBas Rutten16:33

       You could throw. And then once they hit the ground, you can't clinch, but the person on top who just threw you can rain down strikes for five seconds from a squatter position, so you can't go down there. And I already saw fights getting finished like that. So it's a very effective technique.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Why only five seconds?

   22. BRBas Rutten16:49

       Because then they go back on their feet. They just wanna keep everything short and, and the more attractive for the audience, the better it is. It's like, for instance, now the knees are not in, but, you know, we were already talking about knees to the body. That could maybe a really good thing, especially because take-downs out there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       Exactly.

   24. BRBas Rutten17:04

       So now you can use it against a take-down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Is that a Bitcoin logo?

   26. BRBas Rutten17:07

       Yes, Bitcoin is one of their sponsors.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Really?

   28. BRBas Rutten17:10

       Yep.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Bitcoin blowing up. Now, can they leg kick?

   30. BRBas Rutten17:15

       Uh, leg kick below the knee. And I've been talking to them also. Th- this is the good thing about this organization, that's why I really enjoyed working with them, is that they're open to suggestions, you know. They're open to, to rule changes. We're gonna just see what happens right now. And if the, the urge comes up, they say, "Yeah, we should add low kicks," then we're gonna start adding low kicks above the knee as well. Right now, they do it below the knee, just like they-
7. 18:21 – 24:49

   Gloves, eye pokes, and evolving rules: from “long hooks” to full punching freedom

   1. BRBas Rutten18:21

      No, no shin pads, only these tiny gloves. You have them there in the back-

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:24

      Okay.

   3. BRBas Rutten18:24

      ... so you can check them out. Uh, with the low kicks-

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      It looks like big gloves, yeah.

   5. BRBas Rutten18:27

      ... they start with what will be knockouts, uh, b- by strikes. I like the take-downs as well that had up, heads-up di- display. It's really cool right now. It's the first one, whoever does that, it's, uh, biometric, nutrition, training. You know, it's a DNA-based, uh, heads-up display that you can see while the fighters are busy. You get a heart rate, respit- respiratory, what they eat, what they train before. It's all gonna start happening in two weeks. It's, will become full circle and then the heads display will work.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:53

      What is the biometrics? Like, when does that work?

   7. BRBas Rutten18:55

      That's w-

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:56

      Are they wearing something?

   9. BRBas Rutten18:56

      They wear these little tiny things so you can see how fast they hit and what direction they hit, propelling. You, you can pretty much see everything. It's amazing. And these gloves are awesome. I mean, they feel great.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:07

       They do feel great.

   11. BRBas Rutten19:08

       Yep.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Yeah, there's a lot of padding.

   13. BRBas Rutten19:10

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:11

       That's pretty padded. It's much more than a UFC glove, huh?

   15. BRBas Rutten19:14

       It is, but it's also-

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       Well, you know what else too? It seems like it, it gives you a curve to your hand.

   17. BRBas Rutten19:19

       Which is great.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Uh, which is an issue with the UFC is the constant poking.

   19. BRBas Rutten19:22

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       Like, if you wanna poke someone in the eye with this, you gotta kinda... It's like the Pride gloves, right?

   21. BRBas Rutten19:26

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       The Pride gloves used to have that curve to them, and we saw much less eye pokes in Pride than we do in the UFC.

   23. BRBas Rutten19:32

       You know, but I, I, I, I never got that anyway. In Pancrase we did open hand strikes, I never poked anybody in the head, right? (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       Right, right.

   25. BRBas Rutten19:37

       So, sometimes you have to think, is this on purpose or not? I mean, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       For sure some of it's on purpose, right? It's hard to differentiate how much of it is on purpose.

   27. BRBas Rutten19:46

       It really is. You know, I said it-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       Yeah.

   29. BRBas Rutten19:47

       ... with Jon Jones at the time, bec- but, but he is so calm, so relaxed, so everything, and then I go like that, "That almost has to be then." You know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       Yeah, yeah, no, you've said that before and-
8. 24:49 – 34:51

   Promotion & business detour: free streaming, karate.com, and domain-name gold rush

   1. BRBas Rutten24:49

      Yeah. So yeah, man, I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to it. If you're, uh, nowhere on May... Uh, what is it? April 26th in Miami, they have the first show.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:59

      Okay.

   3. BRBas Rutten24:59

      I'm pretty sure they will invite.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      I am outta town, unfortunately. April 26th in Miami, huh?

   5. BRBas Rutten25:02

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:02

      That's the first show in America? Where, where were these other ones filmed?

   7. BRBas Rutten25:05

      Uh, overseas. They do, they do it everywhere. They have it ev- This will be the first show. It's free guys, so do that as well. Also, what you can do-

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:12

      Free? Free to watch or free-

   9. BRBas Rutten25:13

      Free. Free to watch.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       To be there or to watch it on television?

   11. BRBas Rutten25:16

       No. Uh, you go to karate.com, there's a, there's a button where you can click "watch it live". And it's gonna be streamed, but you also have an app. They have a really cool app.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       Ah.

   13. BRBas Rutten25:24

       Because that ha- app gives you the heads-up display-

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       Look at that.

   15. BRBas Rutten25:26

       You see there, uh, right at the top, "watch live"?

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:28

       Ah.

   17. BRBas Rutten25:29

       Boom. That's where you click.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       Sign up for free streaming access-

   19. BRBas Rutten25:32

       You give your email address. Boom.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       ... to our next event.

   21. BRBas Rutten25:34

       Don't have to do anything.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       Bam. Nice. So, um, who's putting this together? How do you know these people?

   23. BRBas Rutten25:39

       Well, they contacted me. Uh, there's a whole, uh, bunch of guys, to guy, a lotta, uh, uh, karate experts as well. And they, uh... And I think they're side with the 2020 Olympics.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       Mm-hmm.

   25. BRBas Rutten25:49

       You know, and I've been talking about this also for a while. I said, "Why is not anybody doing this?" We had Chuck Norris doing it, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Right. World Combat League.

   27. BRBas Rutten25:56

       For a while.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       Yeah.

   29. BRBas Rutten25:56

       And I thought, I, I thought that was cool. And now this, when I saw this with the pit, I go, "Man, this... I, I truly believe it's gonna take off." I think a lot of people are gonna enjoy this.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       Well, I hope so. I mean, I've been saying for the longest time that striking sports in America, like you got boxing and then nobody pays attention to the other shit. I mean, people barely pay attention to kickboxing.
9. 34:51 – 47:37

   Calling fights for Pride and beyond: remote commentary, name pronunciation, and broadcast craft

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:51

      Yeah. So, uh, where did this originate? Who, uh... What, what country started this?

   2. BRBas Rutten34:56

      Well, karate, you know, for Japan.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:58

      No, no, no. I mean this, this event.

   4. BRBas Rutten35:00

      No clue. I'm gonna meet these people face-to-face for the very first-

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:03

      You never met them?

   6. BRBas Rutten35:03

      No, no, no. Because I've, I've been doing commentary, and I met some people from the organization because I did some commentary over some fights together with, uh, Phoenix Carnivale.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:10

      Oh, she's great.

   8. BRBas Rutten35:12

      She's, uh, that also-

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:12

      She was doing a lot of stuff for Lion Fight. I met her and her b- her boyfriend in New York.

   10. BRBas Rutten35:18

       Vic, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       Not, yeah, not this last, uh, new... UFC in New York, but in the past. I got her tickets for the, uh, the UFC. She's excellent. Really good at post-fight interviews and she's doing commentary with you.

   12. BRBas Rutten35:30

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       Perfect.

   14. BRBas Rutten35:31

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       She's very knowledgeable.

   16. BRBas Rutten35:33

       Yeah. No, it was great. And then, uh, we pulled it off right away, so that's why we met these people there. We did it in, uh, in Long Island when I was filming there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       Nice.

   18. BRBas Rutten35:40

       And, uh, and, and so it was not gonna see them in my-

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:42

       And so there was, there was an event in Long Island as well?

   20. BRBas Rutten35:44

       No, no, no. We just did it at my hotel.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       So you did commentary like watching it on screen? Is that what it was?

   22. BRBas Rutten35:49

       Watching it on screen.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:50

       Ah, okay.

   24. BRBas Rutten35:50

       Had some people coming in with special microphones, so we tuned it up, you know-

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       Right.

   26. BRBas Rutten35:53

       ... that it was exactly the same.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       You did that a bunch of times for Pride, right? Where you were in America and you were doing commentary for events that were happening in Japan?

   28. BRBas Rutten36:00

       Yeah. And they have a live show. We do it, the commentary right over it, live.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       What was that like? Was it weird?

   30. BRBas Rutten36:06

       Uh, no. It's not weird at all.
10. 47:37 – 1:02:50

    Old-school MMA chaos: early tournaments, heel hooks vs Olympians, and underground events

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       Yeah, man. It was crazy times. Remember when they had that one just submission only thing?

    2. BRBas Rutten47:42

       (sighs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       And they had, uh, Olympic wrestlers versus MMA fighters. And I think Matt-

    4. BRBas Rutten47:47

       Oh, Matt, Matt Hume won by heel hook, right?

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       Yeah.

    6. BRBas Rutten47:49

       The first one?

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:50

       Two... We, we talked about this before.

    8. BRBas Rutten47:52

       Uh, the, the gold medal. Jackson, I think?

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:53

       No, it was the other one.

    10. BRBas Rutten47:54

        No, no, no, it was the other one.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        It was the other one. Kenny Monday.

    12. BRBas Rutten47:55

        Kenny Monday.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:56

        Yeah.

    14. BRBas Rutten47:57

        Yep.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        And Frank Shamrock fought Dan Henderson.

    16. BRBas Rutten48:00

        Zinoviev was there, was that also?

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:01

        Yeah, was Zinoviev in that one too?

    18. BRBas Rutten48:03

        He goes in there easily.

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:03

        Zinoviev was a-

    20. BRBas Rutten48:05

        He got him, he got him.

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:05

        ... he was an animal.

    22. BRBas Rutten48:06

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:07

        He was in World... Uh, what was it? Uh, Extreme Combat, right?

    24. BRBas Rutten48:10

        Ext- Oh yeah, that was it, that was the Paretty show.

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        Yeah, he was the guy who tapped Marios Berry.

    26. BRBas Rutten48:14

        And, and Paretty at the time already had weight classes.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:16

        Yeah, that's right.

    28. BRBas Rutten48:17

        You remember? He was far ahead of his, uh, time.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:19

        Right. Yeah, look at Matt Hume.

    30. BRBas Rutten48:20

        Look at Matt.

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