JRE MMA Show #22 with Bas Rutten

1. 0:00 – 3:03

   Bas breaks his hand punching a table after an exhausting commercial shoot

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Whew. Three, two, one. Boom! And we are live with El Guapo as he tries to na- navigate his phone with his left hand. What did you punch with your right hand?

   2. BRBas Rutten0:12

      A table. A table that, uh, was stronger than me. Like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   4. BRBas Rutten0:16

      Yeah, this size table, never said it got away.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Why, why did you punch a table?

   6. BRBas Rutten0:19

      Okay. So I was in three states in six days. I slept four hours per night. I just came from Chicago. And this whole thing, I had to get up at 4:00. And then the, uh, I had a shoot, a commercial shoot for my body action system starting at 10:00. And this happened at 10:30 PM. So I was 12 and a half hours in and I already said, "Okay, you know what? I'm not gonna do it anymore." Because I, I couldn't retain information anymore. I, I had some lines to, lines to remember, you know. They were feeding me lines. I couldn't do it anymore. I said, "Uh, this is it. Like, I, I, I stop." But then they said, "Yeah, but if you can do this little thing." "Okay. I'll try that one more time." And, of course, it didn't work and I said, "You know what? I threw out my pho- uh, my gloves." And somehow, this is how stupid you are, you throw off your glove and two seconds after I took it off, I hit the table somehow. I still needed to hit something and I decided to do it without a glove instead of with a glove, a solid thing. Guess what's gonna lose?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:12

      (laughs)

   8. BRBas Rutten1:13

      My pinky knuckle. And they incapacitate your entire arm for that pretty much, I think. Just for a pinky knuckle. They call it a boxing fracture, fracture.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Yeah. This, these-

   10. BRBas Rutten1:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... these two are like, that's like the old school, bringing us back to karate combat. Old school karate days, they would always recommend that you punch like this.

   12. BRBas Rutten1:31

       You know what I did? And, and, and I know, and I was going to do that. But the amount of force I was using at this moment, I, I... Really fast, in milliseconds and you had to go. It's like, it's better to spread out the impact even more because I was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       'Cause you're hitting it so hard?

   14. BRBas Rutten1:42

       I, I, yeah, I knew I was gonna break the big one too, if I would do it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Ah.

   16. BRBas Rutten1:46

       Yeah. Uh, it was just one of those stupid thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       You just lost your marbles.

   18. BRBas Rutten1:49

       Ju- and, and five seconds because I hit, boom. They look at me, everybody's freaking out and I go, "No, it's over." He says, "You know pain?" I said, "No pain, but this broke." He said, "How do you know?" I said, (laughs) "Uh, trust me. I can feel it." So I was, right away I was calm again. Everything was good. Nobody died that night.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Damn, boss.

   20. BRBas Rutten2:04

       I know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       That right arm's been through hell.

   22. BRBas Rutten2:06

       It been. And, and you know, this, for me to lose cool like that, that happens once every five years or so. But I get angry? I never get angry.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Right.

   24. BRBas Rutten2:14

       I don't have that. Not that kind of anger that I hit something. I mean, how, how old am I, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Right.

   26. BRBas Rutten2:18

       You go, like that's the stuff you do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       But you s- you seem to always be a happy guy.

   28. BRBas Rutten2:22

       That's what I am. That, that... But I, I think it's also because I'm happy, so when it gets angry... That's with the fights. Tha- that's what always happens. I'm nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. Try to diffuse it, then I realize, wait a minute. And then I'm asking them, I say, "You're not, you don't think I'm afraid, right?" I say, "I'm doing this for you. I'm protecting (laughs) you right now. That's why I don't wanna fight." And at the moment you say that, you know, some of them call you bluff. And then, because you did it for such a long time, yeah, then I'll make sure that-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Time to smash.

   30. BRBas Rutten2:53

       ... s- boss smash, yeah.
2. 3:03 – 3:54

   Long-term nerve and muscle atrophy: Bas’ arm recovery and peptides

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      How is your arm doing in terms of like, the atrophy? Is it growing back?

   2. BRBas Rutten3:06

      You see the atrophy still up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      Oh, it's definitely growing back though.

   4. BRBas Rutten3:08

      Yeah. It gets a little bit bigger now. I have this new stuff that I'm trying. I have it at home. I need bacteriostatic water for it. It's a peptide called BPC-157. Did you ever hear of that?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Yes. Yeah. Ben Greenfield told me about that. It's great for tendons and ligaments and stuff.

   6. BRBas Rutten3:24

      Yeah, even nerves and it regrows apparently everything. In rats, I mean.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:27

      Yeah.

   8. BRBas Rutten3:27

      They regrow tendons, everything and I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try it locally here on the biceps, see what it does as soon as I have the water, let me try.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:34

      So it seems like the muscles are growing back though. Like, slowly but surely, right?

   10. BRBas Rutten3:38

       Yeah, but it's six years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Six years.

   12. BRBas Rutten3:41

       Look at this, and it's still-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       That's crazy.

   14. BRBas Rutten3:43

       Yeah. It's, I go 25 pounds, I can do eight times now, bicep curls with the right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       That's a lot better than it used to be though.

   16. BRBas Rutten3:51

       Yeah. I couldn't do five pounds, so.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Wow.

   18. BRBas Rutten3:53

       Yeah, not once.

3. 3:54 – 7:25

   Grappling damage and fused spines: Miletich, Angle, Rutten, and Don Frye horror stories

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Pat Miletich has the same thing.

   2. BRBas Rutten3:56

      Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      Same thing, from his neck. You know what? You wanna hear the, how crazy Pat's injury was? Pat's disc had deteriorated so badly that his discs fused themselves.

   4. BRBas Rutten4:04

      (laughs) And he didn't, and he didn't realize that. That guy's a complete animal. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      He's a, he's a fucking animal. (laughs) He didn't even realize it. His discs fused themselves. He went to the doctor and they're like, "Well, we don't have to fuse it. It already fused itself."

   6. BRBas Rutten4:18

      Well, you can... Uh, if you talk to him and he looks t- at you, it- it's like he hasn't fused neck, right? He's always...

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      Yeah.

   8. BRBas Rutten4:24

      He's like Batman.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      Very stiff.

   10. BRBas Rutten4:24

       (laughs) You know, he looks to the side.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten4:26

       He can't move.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       Yeah.

   14. BRBas Rutten4:28

       So I guess-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       Fucking grappling, man.

   16. BRBas Rutten4:31

       I know. They'll blame it on, on punching and kicking but all the knees, injury, everything, my rib that was out my left side, it's all wrestling. It's grappling and wrestling.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah. Grappling. Wrestlers are all fucked up. We were talking about Kurt Angle yesterday who was an Olympic gold medalist, fantastic wrestler. I mean, he's got a neck that literally is like, the size of my waist. But his, his neck's so fucked up. Both of his arms are tiny and you can see the atrophy in his arms. Like, his, his arms don't match his neck, you know.

   18. BRBas Rutten4:57

       Oh, that sucks.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       And you can tell, like, y- I mean, obviously you know better than anybody-

   20. BRBas Rutten5:02

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       ... about neck injuries. Guys are always, like, their arms shrink-

   22. BRBas Rutten5:05

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       ... because they get atrophy. It cuts off the nerves.

   24. BRBas Rutten5:07

       Can you imagine if it... So b- with him, it's both ways then.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Yeah. Well, it looks... We should pull up that picture again, Jamie. See if you could find it. Um, this is Ronda Rousey's, uh, Instagram. You, you could see it clearly.

   26. BRBas Rutten5:18

       I, I, I saw him at the, at the induction, at the International Sports Hall of Fame. I was there for, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah.

   28. BRBas Rutten5:22

       ... with Ronda. I was there as well and he was sitting first row. But I... He was wearing a suit, of course, so I couldn't tell.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       Yeah. Well, he still looks like a tank.

   30. BRBas Rutten5:28

       Yeah, he does.
4. 7:25 – 9:47

   Artificial discs, 3D printing dreams, and stem cell treatments for joints

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:25

      Eddie Bravo has an artificial disc. They put artificial discs in now, these articulating-

   2. BRBas Rutten7:30

      I wish I had that. I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:32

      ... titanium discs.

   4. BRBas Rutten7:32

      I couldn't do that at the time.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:34

      Yeah.

   6. BRBas Rutten7:34

      Yeah. It was in the early stages.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      But Eddie's got no problem with it at all. It moves great.

   8. BRBas Rutten7:38

      But that's what I mean-

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:39

      Yeah.

   10. BRBas Rutten7:39

       ... because, uh, y- for me, I can't do that anymore. Maybe future-

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Mm-hmm.

   12. BRBas Rutten7:42

       ... you know, with the, with the, the, the printing that they do now, the 3D printing-

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       Mm-hmm.

   14. BRBas Rutten7:45

       ... maybe they can make an exact copy of my spine, and then they can still do it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       Put it back in there. Oof.

   16. BRBas Rutten7:50

       It would be something, but, uh, that's a scary-

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Imagine that. They c- cut your spine out and put a fucking titanium one in. Ah.

   18. BRBas Rutten7:57

       My, my, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Ah.

   20. BRBas Rutten7:58

       ... my daughter, my oldest daughter just told me my, my ex-wife, she's gonna have to do it in the lower back. She has like two or three fusions they're gonna need to do, but she's gonna do disc replacement as well.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       Yeah?

   22. BRBas Rutten8:09

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       Yeah. Disc replacement is legit now. You know, uh, Braulio Estima, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt?

   24. BRBas Rutten8:14

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Very, uh, famous Bra- Jujitsu guy. He's got one in his neck. He was the first guy that I ever heard about it. He, he fucked his neck up really bad and then won the worlds with a fucked up neck. And then right after the worlds, went and got it, uh, operated on, got a fake disc put in there.

   26. BRBas Rutten8:27

       When, when did he do it? Because he's from Brazil. Did he do it in Brazil?

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       I think he did it in Europe-

   28. BRBas Rutten8:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       ... 'cause he lives in, he lives in England.

   30. BRBas Rutten8:32

       Germany will be, uh ... that, that ... I, I, I would let the Germans look at my back.
5. 9:47 – 14:30

   Heavyweight “anomalies”: Tank Abbott, Roy Nelson, and Butterbean health myths

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      (laughs) What is that guy doing these days?

   2. BRBas Rutten9:49

      I have no clue. I know he wrote a book. It was the last time he had it on The Inside of MMA.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      Oh, you guys had him on?

   4. BRBas Rutten9:53

      Yeah. I mean, that's five years ago.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:55

      Fucking love that guy. That guy was a fucking character. I mean, if it wasn't for guys like Tank Abbott, I mean, there would have been no early days.

   6. BRBas Rutten10:02

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      You know? I mean, you needed a guy like that, characters.

   8. BRBas Rutten10:04

      Yeah. You need to identify with him, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      Yeah.

   10. BRBas Rutten10:06

       So a lot of these crazy guys out there, "So he can do it, I can do this."

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten10:10

       That's what you need.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       Yeah. He had a giant bell and he would knock people dead.

   14. BRBas Rutten10:13

       Yeah. He, he, he was like a Roy Nelson, only with no stamina. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       (laughs) Yeah, well-

   16. BRBas Rutten10:19

       And, and, and no black belt in undergr-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       No black belt in Jujitsu, yeah.

   18. BRBas Rutten10:22

       No black belt in Jujitsu. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       Yeah. Well, Roy Nelson is a fucking complete anomaly, right?

   20. BRBas Rutten10:26

       Yeah. Yeah, he is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       I mean, who looks like that?

   22. BRBas Rutten10:28

       I, why can't he lose weight?

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       I don't know.

   24. BRBas Rutten10:29

       How is it possible that he ... he trains so hard. I've seen this guy throw around like 130, 155 pound kettle bells-

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       Yeah.

   26. BRBas Rutten10:35

       ... like one-arm swings, ring, ring, ring, like it's nothing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.

   28. BRBas Rutten10:38

       I go, you would lose weight, right? You would think, but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       He would be a 185 pound phenom.

   30. BRBas Rutten10:43

       Oh, yeah.
6. 14:30 – 33:14

   Karate Combat: the pit, rule set, five-second ground strikes, and broadcast style

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:30

      (laughs) So tell me about this karate combat thing you're doing. We've seen the, the videos of it.

   2. BRBas Rutten14:34

      I... Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:35

      I like, I like the, the fighting surface, fighting in a pit.

   4. BRBas Rutten14:37

      Cool, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      It's a great idea.

   6. BRBas Rutten14:39

      Oh, and did you watch it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:40

      Yes.

   8. BRBas Rutten14:40

      I mean, the, the, what they do with the colors?

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BRBas Rutten14:42

       You know, when it's fight, it's like a little reddish and turns dark purple when there's a break, you're gonna run up that hill out of the pit. (laughs) That's a little bit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       Yeah.

   12. BRBas Rutten14:49

       But I, I, I like it a lot. Yeah, because you can use the, the wall as well, that, uh, 45 angle degree there to jump up like Paris would do. You know, you can use it-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Right, right, right.

   14. BRBas Rutten14:58

       ... to put yourself, uh, to, to improve in the fight. So I think it's really great. I think the rules as well, they keep, kept everything on distance, long shots, long punches, the hooks, yeah, the mawashi geris, you know, which are pretty... so they allow hooks. They wanted to stay away from uppercuts, elbows and knees just before the cutting, uh, and they don't want to make it bloody. So they understand that, you know, you show tech-... everything is technique, of course. But for people who have been complaining, "I mixed martial arts, I can't understand the ground," and some other art's out there too complicated, well, this has been around for such a long time. Everybody knows karate. If you find out how many people did karate, I mean, when they grew up, look at this, it's a beautiful picture. The way it's filmed as well, if you... the camera, there's one camera goes behind the people. It's almost like a movie. The one camera angle they had from above, I said, "Okay, we got to stop with that one." That was the only one, but they did, they stopped. And then they got the, the heads-up display that is also something that nobody had ever before.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       That environment is perfect. It's, it's like a movie.

   16. BRBas Rutten16:02

       The arena.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Right.

   18. BRBas Rutten16:02

       That's how it should be. That's how MMA should be fought. It should be fought in open space. I feel like the cage is too much of a tool. Like, you can use the cage, you pin a guy to the cage and you can beat him up in the clinch, like Randy Couture always used to do. You could use the cage and get back up if somebody takes you down. If you, you get taken down on this, you get taken down. Like, that's it, you know. You're gonna have to get up with skill, like real skill, to see if you can get up there, that skill.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       The only thing about this is if you were in, in the distance, if it was quite a, a distance away, it seems like, "Oh, you could throw guys?"

   20. BRBas Rutten16:33

       You could throw. And then once they hit the ground, you can't clinch, but the person on top who just threw you can rain down strikes for five seconds from a squatter position, so you can't go down there. And I already saw fights getting finished like that. So it's a very effective technique.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Why only five seconds?

   22. BRBas Rutten16:49

       Because then they go back on their feet. They just wanna keep everything short and, and the more attractive for the audience, the better it is. It's like, for instance, now the knees are not in, but, you know, we were already talking about knees to the body. That could maybe a really good thing, especially because take-downs out there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       Exactly.

   24. BRBas Rutten17:04

       So now you can use it against a take-down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Is that a Bitcoin logo?

   26. BRBas Rutten17:07

       Yes, Bitcoin is one of their sponsors.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Really?

   28. BRBas Rutten17:10

       Yep.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Bitcoin blowing up. Now, can they leg kick?

   30. BRBas Rutten17:15

       Uh, leg kick below the knee. And I've been talking to them also. Th- this is the good thing about this organization, that's why I really enjoyed working with them, is that they're open to suggestions, you know. They're open to, to rule changes. We're gonna just see what happens right now. And if the, the urge comes up, they say, "Yeah, we should add low kicks," then we're gonna start adding low kicks above the knee as well. Right now, they do it below the knee, just like they-
7. 33:14 – 35:00

   Domain-name gold rush: karate.com, nude.com flips, and why business.com makes no sense

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:14

      Like, who the fuck owns jiu-jitsu.com? Jiu-jitsu.com. What a website that must be to own that.

   2. BRBas Rutten33:23

      Yeah. Well, I think there's, there's other ones out there that give you even more, you know. Nakedgirls.com, that gives you a lot of money.

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:28

      That's a lot of money. Yeah.

   4. BRBas Rutten33:29

      Way more than karate.com, I think.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:30

      Like sex.com.

   6. BRBas Rutten33:32

      Oh, that's crazy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:33

      Don't even click on it. You'll get a bunch of pop-ups and viruses and shit.

   8. BRBas Rutten33:37

      It's gonna shut... Friend of mine knows that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:38

      You gonna say, Jamie... What is this, Jamie? Makeup.com sold for $2 million. Rodeo.com and karate.com for $500,000 total. Ah.

   10. BRBas Rutten33:46

       My buddy bought nude.com for $2 million.

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       (gasps)

   12. BRBas Rutten33:50

       Three weeks later, sold it for eight.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       Damn.

   14. BRBas Rutten33:52

       Three weeks. That's what he does. B- buying domain na- uh, the-

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       Smart.

   16. BRBas Rutten33:55

       ... domain names. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:56

       Smart.

   18. BRBas Rutten33:57

       Can you go back? Can you imagine? Go back in time?

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:59

       Oh, my God. Like write websites-

   20. BRBas Rutten34:01

       (laughs) Just start writing all the domain names down.

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       Yeah. Nobody even saw any of this shit coming. Didn't business.com go for like 10 million bucks? Something crazy. I mean, who the fuck is buying business.com?

   22. BRBas Rutten34:09

       I would've done business.biz.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:11

       I wouldn't give you a nickel for that shit.

   24. BRBas Rutten34:12

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:13

       Who the fuck's going to business.com? What are you doing there? "I'm gonna do business." That's stupid. If you're doing business, you don't go looking at business.com. That doesn't even make any sense. That's a worthless fucking domain.

   26. BRBas Rutten34:24

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:24

       I bet that's a ghost town.

   28. BRBas Rutten34:25

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       I bet no one's going to business.com.

   30. BRBas Rutten34:28

       (laughs)
8. 35:00 – 39:03

   Remote commentary and Pride-era stories: delays, Red Bull marathons, and impossible names

   1. BRBas Rutten35:00

      No clue. I'm gonna meet these people face-to-face for the very first-

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:03

      You never met them?

   3. BRBas Rutten35:03

      No, no, no. Because I've, I've been doing commentary, and I met some people from the organization because I did some commentary over some fights together with, uh, Phoenix Carnivale.

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:10

      Oh, she's great.

   5. BRBas Rutten35:12

      She's, uh, that also-

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:12

      She was doing a lot of stuff for Lion Fight. I met her and her b- her boyfriend in New York.

   7. BRBas Rutten35:18

      Vic, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:18

      Not, yeah, not this last, uh, new... UFC in New York, but in the past. I got her tickets for the, uh, the UFC. She's excellent. Really good at post-fight interviews and she's doing commentary with you.

   9. BRBas Rutten35:30

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       Perfect.

   11. BRBas Rutten35:31

       Yep.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       She's very knowledgeable.

   13. BRBas Rutten35:33

       Yeah. No, it was great. And then, uh, we pulled it off right away, so that's why we met these people there. We did it in, uh, in Long Island when I was filming there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       Nice.

   15. BRBas Rutten35:40

       And, uh, and, and so it was not gonna see them in my-

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:42

       And so there was, there was an event in Long Island as well?

   17. BRBas Rutten35:44

       No, no, no. We just did it at my hotel.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       So you did commentary like watching it on screen? Is that what it was?

   19. BRBas Rutten35:49

       Watching it on screen.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:50

       Ah, okay.

   21. BRBas Rutten35:50

       Had some people coming in with special microphones, so we tuned it up, you know-

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       Right.

   23. BRBas Rutten35:53

       ... that it was exactly the same.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       You did that a bunch of times for Pride, right? Where you were in America and you were doing commentary for events that were happening in Japan?

   25. BRBas Rutten36:00

       Yeah. And they have a live show. We do it, the commentary right over it, live.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       What was that like? Was it weird?

   27. BRBas Rutten36:06

       Uh, no. It's not weird at all.

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:07

       Right.

   29. BRBas Rutten36:07

       But I, I hope that the speed was up to, you know, because if you see an arm bar coming-

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:11

       Right.
9. 39:03 – 43:54

   Commentary as a craft: Mauro Ranallo, Jimmy Smith, play-by-play vs. color roles

   1. JRJoe Rogan39:03

      He's doing WWE too, right?

   2. BRBas Rutten39:05

      Yeah, he's insane. He does everything.

   3. JRJoe Rogan39:06

      So he does WWE. He's doing Showtime Boxing. Does he do any MMA anymore?

   4. BRBas Rutten39:11

      Be- oh, no. Uh, the Bellator. W-

   5. JRJoe Rogan39:13

      Does he still do that? I, I know-

   6. BRBas Rutten39:14

      I believe he did.

   7. JRJoe Rogan39:15

      ... Goldberg does a lot of the Bellators now.

   8. BRBas Rutten39:17

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan39:17

      So he does some of the Bellators?

   10. BRBas Rutten39:18

       I think so. I think the... uh, like the big shows probably.

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:20

       Mm-hmm. 'Cause a lot of 'em, uh, Goldberg's doing now.

   12. BRBas Rutten39:23

       Yeah. Yeah, they got a whole crazy team there. And Jimmy is over at the UFC.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:28

       Jimmy's with us now.

   14. BRBas Rutten39:28

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       I got him, I got him a gig at the UFC.

   16. BRBas Rutten39:31

       Nice.

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       Yeah. We worked together-

   18. BRBas Rutten39:32

       Nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:32

       ... for the first time this Saturday night. It was great.

   20. BRBas Rutten39:34

       Yeah, good. He's a good guy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:35

       So... He's a great guy.

   22. BRBas Rutten39:36

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan39:36

       He's fucking excellent. He's an excellent commentator. I tried to get the UFC to hire him four years ago. F- so for me to be there Saturday night, sitting next to Jimmy, I was like, "Look at this, man." We were hugging-

   24. BRBas Rutten39:46

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:46

       ... like, "We did it." We made it happen.

   26. BRBas Rutten39:47

       That is so cool, huh?

   27. JRJoe Rogan39:49

       Here we are.

   28. BRBas Rutten39:49

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan39:49

       It was perfect too. We- w- 'cause we're friends, it was very easy and the commentary flowed very nice together, you know? We had a good time.

   30. BRBas Rutten39:57

       That's about... That's, that's what happened also with me and Mauro, you know?
10. 43:54 – 1:10:07

    Wild early MMA memories: Parretty stories, secret fights, and brutal leg locks

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:54

       Dude, I had, I, um, I had a poster of you from the first time you fought in the UFC. They gave me one of those posters, it said, "The world's greatest martial artist."

    2. BRBas Rutten44:03

       (laughs) Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:04

       And it was you fighting for the UFC when you fought Tyoshi Kosaka.

    4. BRBas Rutten44:07

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:07

       Remember that?

    6. BRBas Rutten44:08

       They asked me, I said, "They messed up right there, they forgot a word." I s- I told them specifically, "The world's greatest looking-"

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:14

       (laughs)

    8. BRBas Rutten44:14

       "... martial artist." But they forgot that word. (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:18

       (laughs) Yeah, they were hyping it up big time.

    10. BRBas Rutten44:20

        Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. What a time that was. Paretty-

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:24

        Yeah.

    12. BRBas Rutten44:24

        ... he came over to Japan at the time, uh, fighting to check me out, and he said, "There, they want you in the UFC, so can you come over there?"

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        You know, someone just said something online. Uh, someone said something about me talking shit about John Paretty, which could not be further from the truth. Some guy left a comment on Twitter. I was like, "You're out of your fucking mind." I've never said a bad thing about that guy in my life.

    14. BRBas Rutten44:42

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:42

        I love John Paretty and I, I used to love his commentary, even when people hated him. When they were saying, like, we were saying things like, "Ride him like a pony," he was riding someone like a pony. (laughs)

    16. BRBas Rutten44:50

        Right? He mounts him like a pony also. (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:53

        Yeah. I always thought Paretty was great. He, he called it like he saw it. I mean, he, he fucking had a, a deep background in martial arts, world kickboxing champion, black belt in jujitsu.

    18. BRBas Rutten45:03

        Oh, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan45:03

        I love that guy.

    20. BRBas Rutten45:03

        He knew everything. And, and he would say whatever he wanted to say.

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:07

        Yeah.

    22. BRBas Rutten45:07

        He doesn't care. He doesn't give a fuck.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

    24. BRBas Rutten45:09

        Politician stuff, he'd just throw it out.

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:10

        Where do people get, people get things sometimes and then it becomes like a, some sort of a weird rumor. Uh, and I, I didn't respond to the guys like, "You know, you should stop talking shit about John Paretty." I'm like, "When, when ever?"

    26. BRBas Rutten45:22

        We, we did this, right-

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:22

        When ever did I do that?

    28. BRBas Rutten45:23

        You, you remember the Bosworth Invitational, we did it a long time ago. There was a lot of great fighters. Nate Marquardt, O'too, man, I mean, Jens Pulver. Everybody was on those cards.

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:31

        When was this?

    30. BRBas Rutten45:31

        It was in Colorado, it was in, I think '99, something around that time. There was one time he had a 16 man tournament, he had to fight four times.

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