JRE MMA Show #22 with Bas Rutten

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Whew. Three, two, one.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Whew. Three, two, one. Boom! And we are live with El Guapo as he tries to na- navigate his phone with his left hand. What did you punch with your right hand?

   2. BRBas Rutten0:12

      A table. A table that, uh, was stronger than me. Like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   4. BRBas Rutten0:16

      Yeah, this size table, never said it got away.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Why, why did you punch a table?

   6. BRBas Rutten0:19

      Okay. So I was in three states in six days. I slept four hours per night. I just came from Chicago. And this whole thing, I had to get up at 4:00. And then the, uh, I had a shoot, a commercial shoot for my body action system starting at 10:00. And this happened at 10:30 PM. So I was 12 and a half hours in and I already said, "Okay, you know what? I'm not gonna do it anymore." Because I, I couldn't retain information anymore. I, I had some lines to, lines to remember, you know. They were feeding me lines. I couldn't do it anymore. I said, "Uh, this is it. Like, I, I, I stop." But then they said, "Yeah, but if you can do this little thing." "Okay. I'll try that one more time." And, of course, it didn't work and I said, "You know what? I threw out my pho- uh, my gloves." And somehow, this is how stupid you are, you throw off your glove and two seconds after I took it off, I hit the table somehow. I still needed to hit something and I decided to do it without a glove instead of with a glove, a solid thing. Guess what's gonna lose?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:12

      (laughs)

   8. BRBas Rutten1:13

      My pinky knuckle. And they incapacitate your entire arm for that pretty much, I think. Just for a pinky knuckle. They call it a boxing fracture, fracture.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Yeah. This, these-

   10. BRBas Rutten1:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... these two are like, that's like the old school, bringing us back to karate combat. Old school karate days, they would always recommend that you punch like this.

   12. BRBas Rutten1:31

       You know what I did? And, and, and I know, and I was going to do that. But the amount of force I was using at this moment, I, I... Really fast, in milliseconds and you had to go. It's like, it's better to spread out the impact even more because I was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       'Cause you're hitting it so hard?

   14. BRBas Rutten1:42

       I, I, yeah, I knew I was gonna break the big one too, if I would do it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Ah.

   16. BRBas Rutten1:46

       Yeah. Uh, it was just one of those stupid thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       You just lost your marbles.

   18. BRBas Rutten1:49

       Ju- and, and five seconds because I hit, boom. They look at me, everybody's freaking out and I go, "No, it's over." He says, "You know pain?" I said, "No pain, but this broke." He said, "How do you know?" I said, (laughs) "Uh, trust me. I can feel it." So I was, right away I was calm again. Everything was good. Nobody died that night.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       Damn, boss.

   20. BRBas Rutten2:04

       I know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       That right arm's been through hell.

   22. BRBas Rutten2:06

       It been. And, and you know, this, for me to lose cool like that, that happens once every five years or so. But I get angry? I never get angry.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Right.

   24. BRBas Rutten2:14

       I don't have that. Not that kind of anger that I hit something. I mean, how, how old am I, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Right.

   26. BRBas Rutten2:18

       You go, like that's the stuff you do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       But you s- you seem to always be a happy guy.

   28. BRBas Rutten2:22

       That's what I am. That, that... But I, I think it's also because I'm happy, so when it gets angry... That's with the fights. Tha- that's what always happens. I'm nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. Try to diffuse it, then I realize, wait a minute. And then I'm asking them, I say, "You're not, you don't think I'm afraid, right?" I say, "I'm doing this for you. I'm protecting (laughs) you right now. That's why I don't wanna fight." And at the moment you say that, you know, some of them call you bluff. And then, because you did it for such a long time, yeah, then I'll make sure that-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Time to smash.

   30. BRBas Rutten2:53

       ... s- boss smash, yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That environment is perfect.…

   1. BRBas Rutten15:00

      to improve in the fight. So I think it's really great. I think the rules as well, they keep, kept everything on distance, long shots, long punches, the hooks, yeah, the mawashi geris, you know, which are pretty... so they allow hooks. They wanted to stay away from uppercuts, elbows and knees just before the cutting, uh, and they don't want to make it bloody. So they understand that, you know, you show tech-... everything is technique, of course. But for people who have been complaining, "I mixed martial arts, I can't understand the ground," and some other art's out there too complicated, well, this has been around for such a long time. Everybody knows karate. If you find out how many people did karate, I mean, when they grew up, look at this, it's a beautiful picture. The way it's filmed as well, if you... the camera, there's one camera goes behind the people. It's almost like a movie. The one camera angle they had from above, I said, "Okay, we got to stop with that one." That was the only one, but they did, they stopped. And then they got the, the heads-up display that is also something that nobody had ever before.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      That environment is perfect. It's, it's like a movie.

   3. BRBas Rutten16:02

      The arena.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      Right.

   5. BRBas Rutten16:02

      That's how it should be. That's how MMA should be fought. It should be fought in open space. I feel like the cage is too much of a tool. Like, you can use the cage, you pin a guy to the cage and you can beat him up in the clinch, like Randy Couture always used to do. You could use the cage and get back up if somebody takes you down. If you, you get taken down on this, you get taken down. Like, that's it, you know. You're gonna have to get up with skill, like real skill, to see if you can get up there, that skill.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      The only thing about this is if you were in, in the distance, if it was quite a, a distance away, it seems like, "Oh, you could throw guys?"

   7. BRBas Rutten16:33

      You could throw. And then once they hit the ground, you can't clinch, but the person on top who just threw you can rain down strikes for five seconds from a squatter position, so you can't go down there. And I already saw fights getting finished like that. So it's a very effective technique.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      Why only five seconds?

   9. BRBas Rutten16:49

      Because then they go back on their feet. They just wanna keep everything short and, and the more attractive for the audience, the better it is. It's like, for instance, now the knees are not in, but, you know, we were already talking about knees to the body. That could maybe a really good thing, especially because take-downs out there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       Exactly.

   11. BRBas Rutten17:04

       So now you can use it against a take-down.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Is that a Bitcoin logo?

   13. BRBas Rutten17:07

       Yes, Bitcoin is one of their sponsors.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Really?

   15. BRBas Rutten17:10

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Bitcoin blowing up. Now, can they leg kick?

   17. BRBas Rutten17:15

       Uh, leg kick below the knee. And I've been talking to them also. Th- this is the good thing about this organization, that's why I really enjoyed working with them, is that they're open to suggestions, you know. They're open to, to rule changes. We're gonna just see what happens right now. And if the, the urge comes up, they say, "Yeah, we should add low kicks," then we're gonna start adding low kicks above the knee as well. Right now, they do it below the knee, just like they-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Hmm.

   19. BRBas Rutten17:35

       ... do in the UFC as well.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:37

       Well, the UFC has above the knee too, right? Yeah.

   21. BRBas Rutten17:38

       Yeah, he has everything, but, but I mean, we see it a lot in the UFC happening now, those low-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       Right.

   23. BRBas Rutten17:42

       ... because actually they break the bones, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       Right.

   25. BRBas Rutten17:44

       The fibula, that will, that will snap. And, uh, with a low kick, that won't happen. It will just jam your leg and you're done.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       Yeah. Well, also, you can't condition the lower leg the same way you can con- condition the upper leg.

   27. BRBas Rutten17:55

       Yep.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Your upper leg gets used to taking a beating. And some guys can just take low kicks.

   29. BRBas Rutten17:59

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       But not that low calf kick is debilitating.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   I know, but he's...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      W- Floyd's fucked. His whole thing is boxing. His whole thing is boxing moves.

   2. BRBas Rutten30:05

      I know, but he's...

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Shoulder rolls, moves. He's not gonna be able to stop Conor from grabbing him. Conor's a bigger, stronger guy. If he grabs Floyd by the back of the neck and holds him in place and punches him in the face, Floyd's fucked. I don't think he understands when you say the clinch is okay. If you could strike from the clinch, he's fucked. I'll put my money on Conor all day if he can strike from the clinch. Now if they just have MMA fight with boxing gloves...... or a boxing fight with MMA gloves, rather, that is a different thing. That's a different animal. And I just think Floyd's just so much better than Nok-

   4. BRBas Rutten30:37

      That's what I thought, that you meant.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      No, no, no. I mean clinching.

   6. BRBas Rutten30:41

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      The f- what- what I read, the only difference, they're not gonna let him kick, they're not gonna let him punch, not gonna let him elbow or knee or take down or submissions. But, they'll let him clinch and punch from the clinch. Just that alone-

   8. BRBas Rutten30:53

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:54

      ... that's a game changer. Just that alone.

   10. BRBas Rutten30:56

       Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I'm gonna have to see that because, you know, Floyd's gonna know. They're gonna work on that as well.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Good luck.

   12. BRBas Rutten31:01

       He's going to work on those defenses. He's, he's, he's an incredible athlete. I mean, it's only a few things. This is not like he's gonna have to learn the whole game.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Yeah. But holding onto someone and punching them is such a different ... It's a ju- just a completely different chapter.

   14. BRBas Rutten31:14

       Yeah. But as soon as you hold onto somebody, that means you're incapacitated your own arm as well. You don't have the defense there as well.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Right.

   16. BRBas Rutten31:20

       So, Mayweather can start attacking him. A- also, it's a one-hand fight. It's, it's literally, uh, ice hockey (laughs) , right? If you think about it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Right.

   18. BRBas Rutten31:27

       It's a grab and they started hitting each other.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Right. Sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But smaller gloves, Conor will have more impact with his punches.

   20. BRBas Rutten31:33

       That's true. Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       And he's so much used to f- much more used to fighting from the clinch like that, where you can hold and hit at the same time. I'm, uh, I'm interested in that fight. What about foot stomps?

   22. BRBas Rutten31:45

       You know what? That's what, uh, last time I heard somebody say, "They're always s- super effective, foot stomps." Like, give me one fight that ever got stopped with a foot stomp.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Never.

   24. BRBas Rutten31:52

       Ever.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       It's annoying.

   26. BRBas Rutten31:54

       It's annoying that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Have you ever fought where somebody's foot stomped you?

   28. BRBas Rutten31:57

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       Never?

   30. BRBas Rutten31:58

       No, never.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh, yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      arts, world kickboxing champion, black belt in jujitsu.

   2. BRBas Rutten45:03

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      I love that guy.

   4. BRBas Rutten45:03

      He knew everything. And, and he would say whatever he wanted to say.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah.

   6. BRBas Rutten45:07

      He doesn't care. He doesn't give a fuck.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

   8. BRBas Rutten45:09

      Politician stuff, he'd just throw it out.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Where do people get, people get things sometimes and then it becomes like a, some sort of a weird rumor. Uh, and I, I didn't respond to the guys like, "You know, you should stop talking shit about John Paretty." I'm like, "When, when ever?"

   10. BRBas Rutten45:22

       We, we did this, right-

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       When ever did I do that?

   12. BRBas Rutten45:23

       You, you remember the Bosworth Invitational, we did it a long time ago. There was a lot of great fighters. Nate Marquardt, O'too, man, I mean, Jens Pulver. Everybody was on those cards.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       When was this?

   14. BRBas Rutten45:31

       It was in Colorado, it was in, I think '99, something around that time. There was one time he had a 16 man tournament, he had to fight four times.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Oh.

   16. BRBas Rutten45:40

       And, uh, Pulver actually lost in the finals to a guy who we never heard from, but that was weird because I, Pulver became huge. (smacks lips) Anyway, Ron Waterman is fighting this out of shape, out of big guy. And Paretty is the, uh, because I got Paretty as the matchmaker, because I knew if I have Paretty as, oh, the referee, if I have him as the referee-

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Oh.

   18. BRBas Rutten46:01

       ... everybody's gonna come because they want to show off in front of the, the, the, the-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       UFC match maker.

   20. BRBas Rutten46:07

       ... UFC match maker. And then they're gonna fight in our t- uh, in our thing, (smacks lips) the Bosworth Invitational. So he's fighting Ron the wa- uh, Waterman. And he goes to Ron Waterman and he says, "Listen, this guy doesn't have a lot of skills, you know, don't go too hard. You know, could you please, don't do too crazy." So Ron takes him down. Right away he's on top and he loads up and he goes very gentle, starts hitting him like v- uh, the gentle giant, like really not hard. And Paretty walks in, breaks it up, and he says, "Okay, it's over." The big guy on bottom jumps up and he gets in Paretty's face. The corner jumps over them and get in Paretty's face and they start yelling, yelling at each... "Boo, boo, crap, boo, crap." And then everybody gets super aggressive and Paretty goes suddenly, "Okay. Okay. You want, you want to fight? Yeah. Okay. Okay, we restart the fight." And they restart the fight-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       Mm.

   22. BRBas Rutten46:52

       ... and he walks to Waterman, he says, "Do anything you want to do." (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       (laughs) Oh, no.

   24. BRBas Rutten46:58

       Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       Ron Waterman was a fucking gorilla.

   26. BRBas Rutten47:01

       Animal.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       He was a gorilla.

   28. BRBas Rutten47:03

       Dude, he takes that guy down. He starts m- he mounts him f- like a pony. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       (laughs)

   30. BRBas Rutten47:10

       He starts hitting him. Paretty looking in the audience. He's looking away.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:50

   Yeah. …

   1. BRBas Rutten1:00:01

      Owe it to your trainer, buddy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Yeah.

   3. BRBas Rutten1:00:02

      That's what I'm saying. I'm just throwing it out there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Oh, van Roosmalen beat him, but I think van Roosmalen beat him by decision. Oh, KO.

   5. BRBas Rutten1:00:08

      Yeah, but you see-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      That's it. Davit Kira.

   7. BRBas Rutten1:00:10

      Yeah, Kira's an animal.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      Davit Kira, he's an animal. That's who it was.

   9. BRBas Rutten1:00:12

      But also-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Yeah.

   11. BRBas Rutten1:00:13

       ... Roosmalen is known for his stamina, you know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       Mm-hmm.

   13. BRBas Rutten1:00:15

       His father was already William, you know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Yeah.

   15. BRBas Rutten1:00:17

       He was fighting when I was fighting, and he's always coming forward, but William was not the most technical guy-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       Right.

   17. BRBas Rutten1:00:23

       ... but, dude, the guy had heart and stamina.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       Yeah.

   19. BRBas Rutten1:00:25

       And he would come for you. And it's very hard to fight somebody who's constantly pushing you backwards.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Yeah.

   21. BRBas Rutten1:00:30

       And that's what, uh, he was doing as well with him. 100% makes him run outta gas-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Yeah.

   23. BRBas Rutten1:00:35

       ... and then go in for the kill.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Van Roosmalen's an animal. It's just, like, there's such, there's such an amazing pool of talent in Glory. It's just, it's an amazing organization to watch. There's so much talent.

   25. BRBas Rutten1:00:44

       And wh- and why... I don't know why it's not catching on, because what, what-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Nobody sees it.

   27. BRBas Rutten1:00:49

       Yeah, but K1 you would think, "Okay, all these people at least are going to watch this, right?"

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Yeah, but you love it, I love it, but the average person, go to fucking 7-Eleven and go, "Hey, man, what do you think of, uh, Robin van Roosmalen?"

   29. BRBas Rutten1:01:00

       Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Like...

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       They'll be, "Who the fuck are you talking about, man? You trying to sell something?"

Episode duration: 1:57:41