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JRE MMA Show #28 with Georges St-Pierre

Joe is joined by Georges St-Pierre discuss fighting and more.

Georges St-PierreguestJoe Roganhost
May 23, 20183h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:03 – 4:15

    Colitis after the Bisping camp: overeating, stress, and hidden symptoms

    GSP explains how trying to bulk up for the Michael Bisping fight (frequent meals, forced weight gain) coincided with severe digestive symptoms that he kept private during camp. He describes the fear of blood in the stool, the eventual colonoscopy, and the ulcerative colitis diagnosis after the fight.

    • Bulking strategy: eating nearly every two hours to reach 185
    • Severe camp symptoms: cramps, insomnia, blood, vomiting/regurgitation
    • Kept the issue quiet to avoid losing the title opportunity
    • Post-fight colonoscopy confirms ulcerative colitis
    • Realization that the weight-gain approach was a major mistake
  2. 4:15 – 7:22

    Intermittent fasting as recovery: reduced symptoms, inflammation, and better body composition

    After diagnosis, GSP describes working with doctors (including Jason Fung) and adopting intermittent fasting/time-restricted eating. He claims his symptoms steadily improved and that scans showed lower body fat and higher muscle mass without changing training volume.

    • Medication plus intermittent fasting/time-restricted eating
    • Digestive “break” and reduced inflammation as primary benefits
    • McGill scans: fat percentage down, muscle mass up, weight stable
    • Feels sharper and more creative training fasted (especially jiu-jitsu)
    • Argues modern humans are generally overfed compared to hunter-gatherers
  3. 7:22 – 15:03

    How he eats now: timing over strict rules, and staying relaxed about food

    GSP contrasts rigid “clean eating” ideology with his newer focus on when he eats rather than obsessing over what he eats. He discusses training on an empty stomach, eating later in the day, and why pre-fight dietary stress can be counterproductive.

    • No highly structured meal plan; focuses on timing
    • Comfort with occasional treats (dessert, chocolate)
    • Training fasted: sharper, lighter, more focused
    • Critiques over-tension around diet during camps
    • Old go-to pre-fight meal: pasta (even fettuccine Alfredo) and it worked for him
  4. 15:03 – 18:06

    Time off, pressure, and why fighters spiral: adrenaline, boredom, and self-control

    GSP explains why he stepped away after years of pressure and personal issues, and why many retired fighters struggle without the “life-or-death” intensity of competition. He describes staying disciplined (no hard drugs), keeping training consistent, and reframing fighting as lifestyle rather than identity.

    • Pressure and personal problems contributed to needing a break
    • Extreme competition creates a craving for intensity after retirement
    • Some athletes chase the feeling via drugs or reckless behavior
    • GSP kept training and avoided hard drugs; occasional partying only
    • He fights for the lifestyle, not because he ‘loves fighting’ itself
  5. 18:06 – 25:53

    USADA, PED concerns, and deciding to return: feeling ‘vindicated’ as bodies deflated

    They discuss GSP’s long-standing concerns about PEDs and how USADA implementation influenced his decision to return. GSP explains why he focused on changing the system rather than accusing individuals, and how public perception shifted when many athletes began failing tests.

    • USADA rollout was a key trigger for considering a comeback
    • Observation: some athletes ‘deflated’ or were exposed after testing tightened
    • He disliked being called paranoid before tests began catching champions
    • Doesn’t wish harm, but believes cheating should have consequences
    • Return motivation tied to a cleaner sport environment
  6. 25:53 – 30:06

    Danaher + Firas + Freddie: the three-layer pyramid (physical, technical, tactical)

    GSP outlines how he structures camps and what he values in coaching—teachers who can handle physical preparation, technical skill, and especially tactics. He credits Danaher, Firas Zahabi, and Freddie Roach as rare coaches who can integrate all three layers to create winning game plans.

    • Fighter as ‘maestro’: responsible for assembling the right experts
    • Pyramid model: physical base, technical layer, tactical top
    • Tactics separate contenders from champions when other traits are equal
    • Coaches as teachers, not just trainers (Danaher/Firas/Freddie)
    • Training reflects fighting—no mythical ‘step up’ on fight night
  7. 30:06 – 50:09

    Bisping fight breakdown: the big right hand, adjustments, and “autopilot” execution

    GSP details how Bisping surprised the team by switching from forward pressure to more evasive movement, and how a cleverly set-up right hand hurt him in round two. He explains how corner guidance and pre-drilled patterns helped him adjust quickly and finish the fight.

    • Expected Bisping to pressure; instead he moved and countered
    • Bisping’s setup: jab to the lead hand to square GSP, then rear hand to chin
    • Round-two hit wasn’t cardio failure—timing/precision and heavier opponent mattered
    • Third-round adjustments came from pre-trained reactions, not mid-fight invention
    • “Autopilot” concept: repetition programs fast, correct responses under stress
  8. 50:09 – 54:52

    Relinquishing the 185 belt: health, not stalling divisions, and choosing the right legacy fights

    GSP explains that he gave up the middleweight belt to prioritize diagnosing and managing his condition and to avoid freezing the division. He discusses weighing future options at 170 or 155, wanting something unique, and why money alone isn’t enough motivation anymore.

    • Relinquished title to pursue medical clarity and recovery
    • Didn’t want to stall contenders waiting on his uncertain timeline
    • Acknowledges he’s not a natural 185er and his weight was dropping
    • At 37, wants rare/meaningful challenges rather than routine defenses
    • Frames courage vs tactics: smarter risk selection as career winds down
  9. 54:52 – 1:14:19

    Nate/Nick Diaz drama and conspiracy claims: accusations, hype, and paranoia

    Rogan asks about the proposed Nate Diaz fight and what GSP sees as the no-win legacy calculus. They also cover Diaz-family accusations (steroids, wraps, IV poisoning, commission conspiracies) and talk about how heavy weed use can amplify paranoia for some people.

    • Nate Diaz fight seen as high downside for legacy regardless of outcome
    • GSP mocks the conspiracy claims: poisoned IV, illegal wraps, fake weigh-in, etc.
    • Distinguishes Bisping ‘hype with respect’ from Diaz feeling more personal
    • Conversation on weed: responsible use vs paranoia risks
    • GSP reiterates: promotion is a ‘game,’ but fighters must protect themselves
  10. 1:14:19 – 1:34:07

    How athletes can still cheat: whereabouts loopholes, designer testosterone, and ‘cyborg’ futures

    GSP describes how he believes sophisticated cheaters can exploit the testing system using travel/whereabouts manipulation and short-detectability substances. They discuss modern PED goals (neurologic advantages like reaction time), new testosterone sources that evade isotope tests, and fears about gene doping.

    • Whereabouts manipulation: claiming travel to avoid testing windows
    • Modern PED value: confidence, reaction time, nervous system ‘reset’—not just muscle
    • Designer/animal-derived testosterone and limits of current testing
    • Stored samples and future testing improvements (Olympics/Russia examples)
    • Gene doping concerns: future ‘superhuman’ athletes could ruin sport integrity
  11. 1:34:07 – 1:42:12

    Dinosaurs and field trips: paleontology passion during the four-year break

    The conversation pivots to GSP’s deep interest in paleontology and how he traveled to excavation sites while away from MMA. He describes Patagonia digs, fossil processes, favorite prehistoric predators, and how awe of deep time informs his curiosity and worldview.

    • Travel highlights: Patagonia/Argentina sites, Alberta, Dakotas; hopes for Egypt/Morocco
    • Seeing eggs and sauropod/titanosaur remains in situ
    • Fossils as a ‘100-million-year-old crime scene’
    • Megalodon teeth collection and apex predator fascination
    • Canadian rule: backyard fossil finds belong to the government, not the finder
  12. 1:42:12 – 1:56:22

    Aliens, dreams, and consciousness: sleep paralysis, DMT theories, and the ‘soul’ debate

    Rogan revisits GSP’s earlier alien stories, and GSP clarifies uncertainty about childhood experiences and memory gaps (dreams vs sleep paralysis vs something else). They explore theories of consciousness, non-physical dimensions, and how brain injury can change personality—challenging simple notions of a separate, immutable ‘soul.’

    • GSP: likely dreams/sleep paralysis; no evidence of abduction
    • Rogan: dream state as access to non-physical dimensions via brain chemistry (e.g., DMT)
    • Debate over ‘soul’ language and whether consciousness is independent of the brain
    • GSP’s example: friend’s personality changed after brain trauma
    • CTE/Parkinson’s framing: consciousness trapped in a damaged body vs altered expression
  13. 1:56:22 – 2:16:09

    No free will, morality in context, and a bully encounter that became forgiveness

    They dive into determinism—causality, environment, and genetics shaping choices—and how moral judgments change across cultures and time. GSP tells a story about meeting a former school bully who was now struggling, helping him, and later learning the bully’s violent home life shaped his behavior.

    • Determinism argument: causes behind causes; ‘choices’ as outcomes of prior conditions
    • Morality as contextual and historically fluid (cultural examples)
    • GSP’s bully story: gave money and encouragement; later learned it changed the man’s life
    • Empathy through perspective: bully mirrored abuse learned from his father
    • Forgiveness as healthier than grudges; ‘revenge’ replaced by growth and relief
  14. 2:16:09 – 3:02:21

    Training philosophy now: hating fight night, confidence rituals, sparring risks, and pool resistance work

    GSP explains he loves learning and training but hates the uncertainty of fight day, and he shares his confidence-building ritual before walking out. The episode closes with detailed talk about smarter MMA-specific rounds, minimizing damage from gym wars, unconventional pool-based resistance training, and a long segment on Joe’s spinning back kick technique and power.

    • Fight-night anxiety: ‘hate bubble’ builds until the walkout; disappears once fighting starts
    • Mirror self-talk ritual to flip mindset and restore confidence
    • Sparring culture critique: many fighters waste careers taking gym damage
    • MMA grappling training tweak: 3-minute rounds starting from positions for higher intensity
    • Pool resistance training (Russian-inspired) to build power without joint-loading; ends with spinning back kick mechanics and video clip discussion

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