JRE MMA Show #33 with Brendan Schaub

Joe Rogan 0:00 (clears throat) Three, two, one. Yee-haw! I walked in, you guys were watching soccer. I was hugely disappointed.

Brendan Schaub 0:11 Dude, England's in penalty kicks.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Oh my God, is that okay?

Brendan Schaub 0:14 Dude-

Joe Rogan 0:14 What happened? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 0:14 ... well, like, (laughs) it's the World Cup, man. If they win, they move on. So, uh, but the penalty kick thing- And they just won. They just won.

Joe Rogan 0:19 They just won?

Brendan Schaub 0:20 England just won.

Joe Rogan 0:20 We missed it?

Brendan Schaub 0:21 They just fucking won.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Missed it? Are you guys rooting for England?

Brendan Schaub 0:23 Yeah, I'm- I'm-

Joe Rogan 0:23 Are you?

Brendan Schaub 0:24 ... I'm English, man. I'm half English. My mom's-

Joe Rogan 0:25 Are you?

Brendan Schaub 0:25 My mom was born and raised there, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:27 I thought you were bi.

Brendan Schaub 0:27 What's up, bro? I know, most people do.

Joe Rogan 0:29 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 0:30 English, son.

Joe Rogan 0:31 So you really root for England?

Brendan Schaub 0:32 Yeah, big time.

Joe Rogan 0:33 No shit?

Brendan Schaub 0:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 0:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 0:36 I know.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Do you-

Brendan Schaub 0:37 Well, if U.S. isn't in it, you know-

Joe Rogan 0:38 Do you know what's happening when they're playing, or do you only-

Brendan Schaub 0:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:40 ... know when the ball goes in?

Brendan Schaub 0:41 No, I, I have kind of an idea. I would say I'm a blue belt in soccer.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Really?

Brendan Schaub 0:45 A blue belt.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Damn.

Brendan Schaub 0:46 Like, I, I wake up early and watch the games. Only World Cup.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 0:49 Only, only World Cup.

Joe Rogan 0:51 (clicks tongue) Dude, I was in Boulder. You know, Boulder's like the People's Republic of Boulder. I don't have to tell you. You're from Colorado, you know what it's like out there.

Brendan Schaub 0:57 I went to school there, son.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Boulder's rough.

Brendan Schaub 0:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00 It's, uh, they're, they're like super duper liberal. And people were unnaturally happy about the World Cup, like super excited that they know so much about soccer and yelling... I was at a bar, and I was like, "Ew."

Brendan Schaub 1:14 That'll make you hate it.

Joe Rogan 1:15 "Ew." (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:15 That'll make you hate it. But if you-

Joe Rogan 1:17 It was just-

Brendan Schaub 1:17 But if you go to England-

Joe Rogan 1:18 Right.

Brendan Schaub 1:18 ... you'll feel good about it.

Joe Rogan 1:19 But it was this certain type of white dude.

Brendan Schaub 1:22 All right, that's you, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:23 You know? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:25 That's you. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:25 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:25 I fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:25 They mean well. They probably had a dad that was in the Navy or some shit, you know?

Brendan Schaub 1:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:30 (laughs) Got bullied around at home and they just went the total opposite hard way.

Brendan Schaub 1:34 No, it-

Joe Rogan 1:34 That shit happens, man.

Brendan Schaub 1:35 ... seems a tough sell, especially if you're like an athlete, like a Black athlete. Like y'all-

Joe Rogan 1:39 Oh my God. It's like no Black guys.

Brendan Schaub 1:40 That's what, that's why they struggle a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:43 Oh yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:43 Like, look at the beautiful mountains. They're like, "Bitch, I don't hike."

Joe Rogan 1:46 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:46 "I'm from Comto-... I don't give a fuck about your mountains."

Joe Rogan 1:49 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 1:49 That's why they struggle, I think, recruiting.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Really? It's so beautiful there though.

Brendan Schaub 1:53 Yeah, yeah, if you're into fucking hiking and, uh, fucking rowing-

Joe Rogan 1:57 Water rafting and shit.

Brendan Schaub 1:58 ... and shit.

Joe Rogan 1:58 And the people are super nice too though.

Brendan Schaub 1:59 They're all right. They don't give a fuck about sports.

Joe Rogan 2:02 (laughs) No?

Brendan Schaub 2:03 Where if you go to like a, a southern school, like Georgia or Tennessee-

Joe Rogan 2:06 They get pompous?

Brendan Schaub 2:06 ... you're a God.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 2:07 You're getting your dick sucked every fucking period after class.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Is that bad that they don't care or is it good? Like balances you out?

Brendan Schaub 2:13 It's bad. It sucks.

Joe Rogan 2:13 Makes you work hard.

Brendan Schaub 2:14 No, it sucks.

Joe Rogan 2:15 You got nature out there though. Eagles and shit. Bears, like rawr.

Brendan Schaub 2:19 Fucking nature. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 2:21 Should I get my dick sucked, bro?

Joe Rogan 2:22 Did you know that, uh, wolves and bears are, and wolves and grizzly bears are making their way back into Colorado?

Brendan Schaub 2:28 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yeah. About goddamn time.

Brendan Schaub 2:30 Interesting. Why were they gone? Hunters?

Joe Rogan 2:31 Well, they killed them off in the 1800s and then they reintroduced them to Yellowstone. And mostly they stayed around Wyoming and Montana where Yellowstone is and they made their way into Idaho, but now they've definitely spotted them in Colorado and they've also, a very credible source, in fact, my friend Adam Greentree took video of g- what he said was a grizzly bear and he knows the difference.

Brendan Schaub 2:55 He knows his shit.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Yeah, it was in the San Juan Mountains in Colorado last, uh, September. So they think that there's a population of grizzly bears.

Brendan Schaub 3:03 Adam would know.

Joe Rogan 3:03 He would know.

Brendan Schaub 3:04 And if, if you watch the news, like the local news in LA, which I do, especially when I get depressed, you-

Joe Rogan 3:09 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 3:09 There's, there's a bunch of black bears, like, in hot tubs and shit.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 3:12 Just popping up.

Joe Rogan 3:13 In Pasadena?

Brendan Schaub 3:14 Just chilling in hot tubs.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 3:15 Why do they love the tubs?

Joe Rogan 3:17 Well, they don't know that it's a hot tub. They just know it's water.

Brendan Schaub 3:20 And they love it.

Joe Rogan 3:20 And so like for them to find a spot that's filled with water, it's probably terrible for them unless you have a salt pool.

Brendan Schaub 3:25 You know how hot it is too, and the chlorine? Like what the fuck is this?

Joe Rogan 3:27 The chlorine, that's what I'm saying. Like if the bear's drinking all that chlorine, it's gotta be-

Brendan Schaub 3:30 Jizz in that pool. You know what you do in hot tubs, bro.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Oh yeah, that's like... That's dick soup. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 3:35 Yeah. (laughs) Got that cock soup for them black bears. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:39 (slaps leg) Yeah, what percentage of hot tubs do people fuck in?

Brendan Schaub 3:41 100% is the answer.

Joe Rogan 3:43 (smacks lips) Probably.

Brendan Schaub 3:43 100%.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 3:44 Well, in Pasadena it's a little older.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Especially Pasadena, they're just rocking it out up there.

Brendan Schaub 3:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:48 Yeah, there's a lot of bears up there. There's a funny video, man, of this dude in Pasadena and he's on his phone and he's walking down an alley and as he turns and walks down the alley he's just on his phone and he's looking down. He's not looking where he's going. He looks up and there's a fucking bear right in front of him. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 4:02 And the bear doesn't do shit?

Joe Rogan 4:03 The bear doesn't know what to do and he just runs.

Brendan Schaub 4:04 Both of them are like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 4:05 See if you can find that. Th- uh, so this, homie is just not paying attention.

Brendan Schaub 4:10 Dude, I would shit my pants.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Oh yeah, for sure. It's very dangerous.

Brendan Schaub 4:13 Like, like you saw the, uh, you saw the homeboys in Seattle get fucked up... Well, one died by the mountain lion?

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 4:18 That super hungry mountain lion?

Joe Rogan 4:19 Yeah, just on a bike. Apparently the mountain lion was emaciated, it, it was all fucked up and sick and it only weighed like 90 something pounds, but it still fucked both of those dudes up.

Brendan Schaub 4:29 But they, they tell you like, "Oh, use your bike as a shield and scare him off." That lion's like, "What? I don't give a fuck about your Trek bike, son."

Joe Rogan 4:35 Yeah, they hit it with the bike apparently. It didn't do shit.

Brendan Schaub 4:38 How about homeboy was like, "Dude, you're getting attacked. I'm gonna run and get help." Way to go, asshole.

Joe Rogan 4:42 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 4:42 Runs off and that lion goes, "Where the fuck you going?"

Joe Rogan 4:45 And the lion killed him.

Brendan Schaub 4:46 And kills him.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 4:46 Homeboy got away.

Joe Rogan 4:47 You know, that happened in Beijing too with, uh, the lady who got outta the car and a tiger attacked her at the Wild Animal Park.

Brendan Schaub 4:53 Yeah, that's what you get.

Joe Rogan 4:54 She got outta the car, the tiger attacked her. Here it is. (laughs) There he is.

Brendan Schaub 4:58 Damn, that's a big bear, bro.

Joe Rogan 4:59 He's a, he's a big bear. That's a fucking terrifying bear. So this guy, he's on his cellphone. Where's the, uh... (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 5:07 Dude, that's a big ass bear.

Joe Rogan 5:09 Where... Here, here it is. Here it is. Watch. The dude's on his phone.

Brendan Schaub 5:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:13 Look at this. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 5:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:14 He's like, "Fuck." Which is, by the way, the worst fucking thing you could do.

Brendan Schaub 5:18 Oh, to run?

Joe Rogan 5:18 He just got super lucky. See if you can pull back, you can see like where the bear walks behind those bushes. Yeah, right here. This is hilarious, dude.

Brendan Schaub 5:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:27 (yawns) Look, the bear is walking right there. The guy walks down, he's not even looking. Like, "Oh shit."

Brendan Schaub 5:34 Jesus. (laughs) Dude, so you're, you're supposed to get loud, right? Like get as big as possible.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Yes. You definitely don't want to run away because their instincts are to chase.

Brendan Schaub 5:41 Yeah, but they say when you get loud and like challenge them, like you hear about that- (laughs) It's funny. I don't know why I'm laughing. You ever met that Boy Scout leader-

Joe Rogan 5:47 No.

Brendan Schaub 5:48 ... who they ran ... They saw a bear, and, you know, it's like, "Play dead," or, or "Do your thing," you know? Or y- when you play dead. Or, "Get real big and loud." Like, they, they don't know exactly what to do, but I best-

Joe Rogan 5:56 Right.

Brendan Schaub 5:56 ... I guess in the Boy Scout fucking handbook it says to get loud and, like, make a scene. And motherfucker got loud and made a scene, and that bear was like, "Oh, cool. Hey, kids, watch this." Ate him asshole first in front of the whole squad.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Oh, no.

Brendan Schaub 6:08 Yeah, so they don't ... I don't think they know exactly.

Joe Rogan 6:11 Well, the problem is, bears are just like every other animal, right? Like, think about dogs. All dogs are different, man. Some dogs just come over to their house and they're like, (dog voice) "Hey, what's going on? How you doing?" And then s- um, some dudes, you come over to their house and their dog's checking you out like, "I don't know, motherfucker."

Brendan Schaub 6:25 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 6:25 "I'm not sure about you."

Brendan Schaub 6:26 Exhausting.

Joe Rogan 6:26 And they get around you, and their hair comes up, and you're like, "Oh my God, his hair is up?"

Brendan Schaub 6:30 The worst.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Your, your dog has his hair up? What's going on here? I think bears are probably just like dogs, in that they're just ... They vary.

Brendan Schaub 6:37 They say it also depends where you're at. Like, they walked into his cave, so he's like, "You're in my house. Give me that asshole."

Joe Rogan 6:43 Ooh, that's terrifying.

Brendan Schaub 6:44 I know. Think if you're that Cub Scout. You're like, "Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 6:47 Apparently, the worst thing that can happen is you walk into a female with her cubs.

Brendan Schaub 6:51 Game over.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Yeah. A female grizzly with her cubs should just light you up.

Brendan Schaub 6:55 Dude, you don't have no chance. It's not like you're gonna ... What do you do?

Joe Rogan 6:58 Psh.

Brendan Schaub 6:58 I was listening to some bitch on the news, because they were talking about black bears and hot tubs, and if you run into one. This lady was saying go ... (laughs) So hilarious. Punch them in the nose.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Oh my God.

Brendan Schaub 7:07 Their noses, their noses are super sensitive. Or go for the eyes. Yeah, let me try that.

Joe Rogan 7:12 They bite each other's faces. Y- People have to understand, like, when they fight with each other, which they do all the time. They do all the time. They're always fighting.

Brendan Schaub 7:19 For sure. Alphas.

Joe Rogan 7:20 I've seen bears in person fight in the wild. I've seen it. They just fight, especially during the, the rut, like, in the springtime. They fucking bite each other's faces and it doesn't even look like anything happened.

Brendan Schaub 7:31 They're good.

Joe Rogan 7:32 They bite the shit out of each other and nothing happens. Like, you think you're getting away? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 7:35 So you punch that thing in the nose? (claps)

Joe Rogan 7:39 With your little bitch-ass hands. Like, what are you gonna do?

Brendan Schaub 7:42 Calen has an old bit where, uh, it's, uh ... He's been on a special, so he won't mind me saying it, but Calen has an old bit where people would go, "Oh, just punk a sh- p- punch a shark in the nose."

Joe Rogan 7:49 Sss.

Brendan Schaub 7:50 He's like, "You ever tried punching under water?" He's like ... (laughs) All slow. (laughs) He's like-

Joe Rogan 7:54 That's so true. I've thought that exact same thing. I've thought that exact same thing, like, how much could you generate under water? Like, people go under water to work out. You seen that famous photo of Ali?

Brendan Schaub 8:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Ali used to do a lot of shadow boxing under-

Brendan Schaub 8:07 In the water?

Joe Rogan 8:08 ... water. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:08 And Jon recreated it. Have you seen the Jon Jones one?

Joe Rogan 8:11 Oh, yeah. That's right.

Brendan Schaub 8:11 It's fucking dope.

Joe Rogan 8:12 That's right.

Brendan Schaub 8:13 It's dope.

Joe Rogan 8:14 You know, GSP does a lot of work in the water.

Brendan Schaub 8:16 He was the first one I knew who was doing work in the water. And actually, for, I mean, months, would drive down to Laguna Niguel where he was working out, and we'd do these water workouts. And we're in the pool, we're in the pool for, like, two hours. And I was like, "Bro," and I ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:29 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:29 I did it for two weeks. And then he goes, he goes, (imitating GSP) "You coming in on Wednesday?" And I go-

Joe Rogan 8:33 That's the worst GSP ever.

Brendan Schaub 8:34 It's the worst. That sounds more like someone with a mental disability.

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:37 I have problems with ... I sound like a ... Right? I sound like Stephen Hawking or some shit.

Joe Rogan 8:40 You definitely sound like someone who doesn't know English that good.

Brendan Schaub 8:42 Not good.

Joe Rogan 8:43 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:43 So anyways, he goes, "You coming on Wednesday?" I won't do the accent again. And I was like, "Nah, I'm not, man. I'm sick of the fucking pool." He'd be in there for, like, two hours. He'd have these things, he'd just be in there doing that stuff.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah. Well, he does a lot of jumping, which is really interesting. I was thinking about it. I was like, "Yeah, like, you could generate maximum force, like, jumping in the water." And it's probably, like, real easy on the joints in comparison.

Brendan Schaub 9:05 It's, it's easy on the joints, but, um ... I was listening to one expert talk about it. Um, actually, I think Loren Landau was telling me this. He's a, a strength coach for the Denver Nug- or Denver Broncos now. He was saying it's good to mix in, but to do it every week all the time, especially in the sand or water, you're not getting the same explosiveness. You're not generating the same explosive power.

Joe Rogan 9:24 So you should mix it up.

Brendan Schaub 9:25 Yeah. He goes, "If you're just doing that, you're actually, it's actually gonna make you less explosive."

Joe Rogan 9:29 Wow. See, those dudes-

Brendan Schaub 9:30 GSP, GSP begs to differ.

Joe Rogan 9:32 ... like Landau, but those dudes that are just on the cutting edge. They're constantly, like, comparing studies and just trying to get that little extra edge. And it is so interesting now. It's so ... Like, the world of strength and conditioning has never been, like, more complicated.

Brendan Schaub 9:47 'Cause there's no more bro science, though, also.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 9:50 Because there's actual experts who are like, "You can look it up now."

Joe Rogan 9:52 Right.

Brendan Schaub 9:52 Like, back in the day, everybody were like, "Dude, just eat fucking egg whites," which we know is a terrible thing.

Joe Rogan 9:57 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 9:57 "Just eat eggs wh- and drink milk, and you'll get fucking swole."

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah, everybody used to say that.

Brendan Schaub 10:01 But you would just get ... No, everyone had all sorts of weird fucking diets. Or, "Just take this BSN NXO Explode, and you'll be jacked, bro."

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah, there's so many variables still.

Brendan Schaub 10:10 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 10:10 There's still some, some variables. But when it comes to, like, the guys that get paid big bucks to train top-level athletes, they seem to all be kind of on the same page.

Brendan Schaub 10:20 Correct. Lo- Loren Landau is one of my best friends, so you better-

Joe Rogan 10:22 A lot of it plyometric stuff.

Brendan Schaub 10:24 A lot of plyometrics.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:25 And they all ... Usually, they all agree on similar things.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:28 Like, they might have this variation here or this variation here, but most of them agree on the same fucking things.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:33 It's meat and potatoes. Lots of meat and potatoes.

Joe Rogan 10:34 No one, no one's saying you need to be power lifting only.

Brendan Schaub 10:37 No.

Joe Rogan 10:37 And no one's ... You know, no one's doing anything stupid.

Brendan Schaub 10:40 A lot of them are saying, you know, doing, like, max reps, and, and multiple days, and all this stuff. Like, that's not the way to go anymore.

Joe Rogan 10:46 No. No.

Brendan Schaub 10:46 Like, the meathead days are over.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Yeah, it's over.

Brendan Schaub 10:49 But I say fuck that noise. I still do the meathead days.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Yeah, I like it.

Brendan Schaub 10:52 Sometimes, like, whatever.

Joe Rogan 10:53 It's fun to be a meathead. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 10:53 Put a little Metallica on, get those jean shorts out.

Joe Rogan 10:57 Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Dun, dun, dun, dun.

Brendan Schaub 10:58 Yeah. Nice three-hour workout.

Joe Rogan 11:00 Firas was on.

Brendan Schaub 11:00 Looking for deca.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Firas was giving us some insight into that, that, like, his philosophy on training.

Brendan Schaub 11:06 What did he say?

Joe Rogan 11:06 He goes, "The m- most interesting thing he said-"

Brendan Schaub 11:08 He's a smart, smart man.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Psh. About as smart as people get. But one of the more interesting things that he said was that you should never feel sore. He's like, "You should work out and-"

Brendan Schaub 11:19 Come on, bro.

Joe Rogan 11:19 "... you should build yourself up to the point where you never feel sore, and never push yourself past your limit." Should never be like, "Ah." Never. He's like, "And just-"

Brendan Schaub 11:28 In, in, in working out or training too?

Joe Rogan 11:29 In, in training. He was talking about training, he was talking about everything.

Brendan Schaub 11:31 Dude.

Joe Rogan 11:31 He was talking about just do more, do more v- of it in a day.

Brendan Schaub 11:35 (gasps) Interesting.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah. He was saying that if you do, like, sets, like do a set at like here, here's a for instance. This is, I'm taking it out of context.

Brendan Schaub 11:43 This is his example?

Joe Rogan 11:44 Yeah. It was like if you did, um, certain amount... I forget the numbers he was talking about, but if you did a certain amount of work, let's just to paraphrase say if you do, uh, 20 chin-ups and you do two sets of 20 chin-ups, you like barely can get 20 and you're burnt out afterwards and you're wrecked. Or instead of that, you're, you're doing 40 reps, right, either way. Do 40 of them throughout the day, but do it five reps at a time, but do the same amount of work. How would you recover?

Brendan Schaub 12:08 How many, how will you have recovery stamina?

Joe Rogan 12:10 It's a good question. But the idea being, well, I think it's a different thing, but the, the idea being, like, to get yourself into this position where you can train hard, especially with, like, physical fitness type stuff, shouldn't break your body down totally. You should just give your body enough of a chance to fully recover and then build up.

Brendan Schaub 12:29 I, I think we have to be a little careful with that because for us specializing in mixed martial arts, well, there's so many disciplines-

Joe Rogan 12:35 Right.

Brendan Schaub 12:35 ... where you can't go balls to the wall in strength and condition, you can't just break yourself with wrestling, you can't just go-

Joe Rogan 12:40 Right.

Brendan Schaub 12:40 ... hard in sparring. You have to kind of monitor those things and figure it out.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 12:44 So I, I think it's a little bit of a bias thing. He's right, I think, as far as it goes as mixed martial arts. Loren Lando's been saying that forever.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 12:50 'Cause I'd go super hard in the weight room. He's like, "I'm telling you, tonight you have wrestling, you're gonna be screwed, man."

Joe Rogan 12:54 Right.

Brendan Schaub 12:54 "You gotta figure this out. You gotta figure out this formula, man." That was a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Yeah, they think that doing weightlifting in lower reps more often is the way to do it.

Brendan Schaub 13:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:05 It's fucking interesting, man. But when you're training for a fight, you're gonna have to push yourself, right? If you're gonna... There's gonna be certain things like whether it's hill sprints or whatever it is, I mean, you're gonna push yourself to the limit.

Brendan Schaub 13:16 And I remember, it was, it was Bisping and GSP had the same concept in training with both of them. I remember Bisping, he would go so hard in practice, like hi- his, his... When he would warm up, his repetitions, striking, uh, hitting mitts, wrestling, jujitsu, everything was super high pace.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Right.

Brendan Schaub 13:33 Like I'm... This is where I get my cardio from. I'm doing the actual sport of it. I'm not gonna go around just fucking sprints.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Right.

Brendan Schaub 13:38 I'm just gonna do more wrestling rounds. And GSP was very similar. He'd go super hard in that aspect.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Mm-hmm. Yeah, GSP was a wizard with that stuff, man. I mean, he was always at the cutting edge when it came to doing gymnastics. Remember, he was really into gymnastics.

Brendan Schaub 13:52 Did it with him. Me and Nate, Mark Hart and him would do it together.

Joe Rogan 13:55 So interesting.

Brendan Schaub 13:55 My big ass, I'd watch him do all these flips. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 13:58 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 13:58 ... "All right, man, let me try this bullshit fucking cartwheel."

Joe Rogan 14:01 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:01 And they're like, "Very good, man. It's good. You're getting better. You're getting better." I'm like, "Fuck you guys."

Joe Rogan 14:04 Does anybody your size do that stuff?

Brendan Schaub 14:07 Uh-

Joe Rogan 14:07 There's gotta be some dude-

Brendan Schaub 14:08 I was the biggest one in there for sure, and the rest were all eight-year-old girls who were just monsters.

Joe Rogan 14:13 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:13 And then Nate and GSP.

Joe Rogan 14:15 (sighs)

Brendan Schaub 14:15 I used to look like this big Shrek character in there.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Gymnastics is probably like the sport that gets dudes the most jacked. When you see like ring guys-

Brendan Schaub 14:25 They're tiny, though.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Right, but they're jacked.

Brendan Schaub 14:28 It doesn't count. The does ain't count.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Doesn't... Well, if you're being active-

Brendan Schaub 14:31 You ever seen a skinny midget? You ever see a s- skinny small person? Have you ever seen like a real thin small person?

Joe Rogan 14:36 How dare you. Just how dare you.

Brendan Schaub 14:36 I'm sorry, small person. Uh, they're all jacked.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Are they?

Brendan Schaub 14:40 Yeah, they're all fat asses. (drum roll) They're all jacked fat asses, bro.

Joe Rogan 14:45 I don't think it's the same thing we're talking about here.

Brendan Schaub 14:47 No, I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 14:47 I'm seeing... (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:48 Dude, I'm saying the smaller-

Joe Rogan 14:49 ...I'm seeing jip-sis.

Brendan Schaub 14:49 I know they're small though, bro.

Joe Rogan 14:50 I, I see what you're saying.

Brendan Schaub 14:51 So they're jacked.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 14:53 Like if, like if LeBron got in gymnastics, he's not gonna be jacked.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Well, what's the average size of a, like, Olympic gymnast?

Brendan Schaub 15:01 5'3".

Joe Rogan 15:02 Are they really tiny?

Brendan Schaub 15:04 Tiny, stocky, jacked, jacked.

Joe Rogan 15:06 But they, but they've also been lifting like that since, like, four months old.

Brendan Schaub 15:10 All I was getting at-

Joe Rogan 15:11 Sorry, man.

Brendan Schaub 15:12 ... before your horrific-

Joe Rogan 15:13 No, I k- I correct to say small people.

Brendan Schaub 15:16 ... ableist rant.

Joe Rogan 15:17 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 15:17 Uh, do you know what ableist is?

Joe Rogan 15:19 No, please don't.

Brendan Schaub 15:19 It's the newest thing.

Joe Rogan 15:19 No, what is it?

Brendan Schaub 15:20 They say if you make fun of someone who has a disability, you're ableist, including stupid people. Tall gymnast is no oxymoron. Okay, the average height for adult male gymnast is around 5'4" to 5'7". Jonathan Horton is listed as 5'1", 5'6", 5'8". So five... The tallest one is my height, 5'8".

Joe Rogan 15:40 I mean, he's like the, the Dikembe Mutombo of gymnastics.

Brendan Schaub 15:43 (fart noise) (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:43 He's like the tallest gymnast.

Brendan Schaub 15:45 He's an outlier.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Who's the tallest?

Jamie Vernon 15:47 This is a... Like, the tallest girl is like 5'2".

Joe Rogan 15:49 Oh, Jesus. So that makes sense.

Brendan Schaub 15:51 And then our studs-

Joe Rogan 15:52 Does it say gymnastics stunts growth? Is that, is that really what they think?

Jamie Vernon 15:56 Or does it-

Brendan Schaub 15:56 They start super young.

Joe Rogan 15:57 It said that right below that. There was an article, Does Gymnastics Stunt Growth? Is that a real question?

Jamie Vernon 16:01 Oh, whether it stunts growth.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Right.

Jamie Vernon 16:03 Uh...

Joe Rogan 16:03 That's what I'm saying. Is it a real question?

Jamie Vernon 16:04 Well, let's see. Click it.

Brendan Schaub 16:07 Well, they say lifting young stunt your growth, right?

Joe Rogan 16:09 I heard that, but how do they know that?

Brendan Schaub 16:11 They don't. I've been lifting since fourth grade.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Why do gymnast? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:14 Fourth grade.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Why are... Maybe you'd be fucking super giant if you didn't lift.

Brendan Schaub 16:16 I know. Maybe I should have been fucking playing basketball.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Whether gymnastics... What does it say? Hold on a second. Uh, it stunts growth explained. Hmm.

Brendan Schaub 16:24 I mean, I'm not tall. Maybe they're just drawn to it, you know? Maybe the short people are drawn to it.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Makes sense. Well, for... It's absolutely a myth.

Brendan Schaub 16:33 Says US Gymnastics.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Mm-hmm. Scientific community isn't entirely sure, but the idea that gymnasts would have grown to be a foot taller if they had only s- hadn't spent the time on the parallel bars is absolutely a myth.

Brendan Schaub 16:47 The, the best in the world is 4'8".

Joe Rogan 16:49 That's weird.

Brendan Schaub 16:50 So Simon Biles is 4'8".

Joe Rogan 16:52 Simone.

Brendan Schaub 16:53 It's a girl.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Simone, bro.

Brendan Schaub 16:54 Simone.

Joe Rogan 16:54 Don't misgender her.

Brendan Schaub 16:55 Her friends call her Simon.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Son of a bitch.

Brendan Schaub 16:56 I just call her Sim.

Joe Rogan 16:58 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:58 I'm talking about Sim, Sims 4A, bro.

Joe Rogan 17:00 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:00 Sim-sory. Did you see that recovery?

Joe Rogan 17:02 That's a crazy sport, man, when like everything is like ready, set, go. It's all about doing it in one moment, right? Someone says go. You know, it's there and then you have to nail it. And every little slip of a foot-

Brendan Schaub 17:16 But you have a routine.

Joe Rogan 17:17 You have...

Brendan Schaub 17:17 You have a routine that you've got to hit it.

Joe Rogan 17:18 If you fuck up at all-

Brendan Schaub 17:19 Game over.

Joe Rogan 17:20 It's over. A little slip, all those months and months-

Brendan Schaub 17:23 Will you, will you watch gymnastics?

Joe Rogan 17:24 I'll watch a little bit.

Brendan Schaub 17:25 But you won't watch World Cup.

Joe Rogan 17:26 I watch World Cup.

Brendan Schaub 17:27 How dare you.

Joe Rogan 17:27 I'm just fucking with you.

Brendan Schaub 17:29 I'm just saying, man.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Don't you understand? Look, if you... If I find out something you like, I'm gonna start mocking it. That's how we do. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:34 That's how we do, bro.

Joe Rogan 17:35 That's how we do.

Brendan Schaub 17:35 I'm just kind of making sure.

Joe Rogan 17:36 We're here to make fun.

Brendan Schaub 17:37 This is true.

Joe Rogan 17:37 If you can't make fun of some shit that I like, man... I like a lot of dumb shit.... you know?

Brendan Schaub 17:42 Too much g- dumb shit. You did bring back Fanny Pack, though.

Joe Rogan 17:45 I brought him back strong.

Brendan Schaub 17:45 Super-strong.

Joe Rogan 17:46 I don't give a fuck what anybody says.

Brendan Schaub 17:47 Yeah, you're the, you're the one, you're the original.

Joe Rogan 17:47 I will get credit for it.

Brendan Schaub 17:49 You and Crow Cop, though. Let's be real. You gotta give Crow Cop credit.

Joe Rogan 17:51 Well, he, he's European. It's less courageous. They're all wearing them over there.

Brendan Schaub 17:53 It, it is, 'cause they've, they've been doing it forever over there.

Joe Rogan 17:55 They never let it go.

Brendan Schaub 17:56 But as far as the US, as far as the US...

Joe Rogan 17:58 It's me and Hulk Hogan.

Brendan Schaub 17:59 No, Hulk got rid of it a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Okay. Well, I, we, we crossed bridges. He had it and I had at the same time.

Brendan Schaub 18:06 That's fucking ret-

Joe Rogan 18:06 He just, he let it go a while ago.

Brendan Schaub 18:08 ... relaying took that...

Joe Rogan 18:09 When did he let it go?

Brendan Schaub 18:10 Oh, years ago.

Joe Rogan 18:10 I bet he didn't totally let it go.

Brendan Schaub 18:11 No, that sex tape came, he said, "Fuck that."

Joe Rogan 18:13 I bet he still got one.

Brendan Schaub 18:14 No. No way.

Joe Rogan 18:14 I bet he does.

Brendan Schaub 18:15 Back in the day at Gold's, guys would have them, there'd be steroids in those.

Joe Rogan 18:19 (gasps) They would shoot up with their little bag?

Brendan Schaub 18:22 Yeah, you could buy it off of them.

Joe Rogan 18:24 Look at that. The Hulkster.

Brendan Schaub 18:24 Oh, see, you don't have one there. That's pretty recent. Those new balances are terrible.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Poor guy. That guy's got, had a, a shitload of back surgeries, man.

Brendan Schaub 18:30 Yeah, no shit. What'd you expect was gonna happen to-

Guest 2 18:33 Joe's coming back to wrestling.

Brendan Schaub 18:34 He is?

Guest 2 18:35 I think, I believe so.

Brendan Schaub 18:36 WWE?

Guest 2 18:37 I think I heard that, yeah. Probably for the like WrestleMania appearance or something.

Brendan Schaub 18:40 Yeah. Well.

Joe Rogan 18:41 That's amazing.

Brendan Schaub 18:42 And Chuck Liddell and Tito are fighting. So what else you got?

Joe Rogan 18:44 Ooh, what do you think of that?

Brendan Schaub 18:46 Not my cup of tea, but you know, I'd go to-

Joe Rogan 18:48 You're gonna watch it?

Brendan Schaub 18:48 The, I f- for sure will.

Joe Rogan 18:50 I'm gonna watch it.

Brendan Schaub 18:50 Yeah, we'll watch it. If you're fucking paying for it.

Joe Rogan 18:53 There's p- some people say it shouldn't happen, right?

Brendan Schaub 18:55 Oh, no. I d- see, I don't think it shouldn't happen. I, I look at it more like if, uh... See, I think if Chuck Liddell was still an employee of the UFC getting paid $400,000 just to chill or whatever the fuck he was doing for the UFC, he would not be fighting. I think there's more of a money play, which bums me out 'cause I think Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, what they did for the sport, should be compensated for the rest of their lives.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 19:14 I, it bums me out they have to fight to make money. That bums me out. I don't know if Tito does so much 'cause he was very smart. Chuck, you know, it, it seems like maybe that's the, what's going on there.

Joe Rogan 19:23 But he's, he also has been saying, now you gotta wonder what, where this is coming from, but he has been saying that he misses it. And it's th- it was his favorite thing.

Brendan Schaub 19:33 Yeah, I miss playing baseball.

Joe Rogan 19:34 And he misses it. Yeah, but it's different. Like, i- if, if y- if we're gonna live forever, if we were gonna live forever, I would say yeah, definitely don't do it 'cause you're just gonna keep damaging yourself. But if you're not gonna live forever, and you're-

Brendan Schaub 19:49 But how old is Chuck now?

Joe Rogan 19:49 Well, let's say, let's say he's going, he's 48. So let's say we're gonna live to 100.

Brendan Schaub 19:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Let's say Chuck lives to 100 and I'm being nice. He's halfway there.

Brendan Schaub 19:55 I'm being friendly right now. Let's say he lives to 100.

Joe Rogan 19:57 Hey, you never know.

Brendan Schaub 19:58 Athletes don't live long, brother.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Well, today's medicine-

Brendan Schaub 19:59 Oh, I have another, what am I? I'm 35, 30 solid years left in me. So let's say Chuck is gonna live-

Joe Rogan 20:06 Medicine's son. Science.

Brendan Schaub 20:08 True.

Joe Rogan 20:08 New shit.

Brendan Schaub 20:09 I know. I'm big, though. Great hound-

Joe Rogan 20:10 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 20:10 Great Danes, bro. So let's say-

Joe Rogan 20:12 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 20:12 ... he lives to 100. He's basically halfway there.

Joe Rogan 20:15 Right.

Brendan Schaub 20:16 Dude, h- at the halfway mark fighting? It just, it can't be healthy, man. Like, imagine being 50, fighting Joe.

Joe Rogan 20:22 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 20:22 And you're the exception, you know. Like, you're in phenomenal shape. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 20:26 Yeah, but I don't wanna get hit.

Brendan Schaub 20:27 You don't wanna get in the face.

Joe Rogan 20:28 No. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 20:29 It's not gonna be pretty.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Not in the head, for sure.

Brendan Schaub 20:30 Especially if you had all those years of... Listen, th- I'm not hating on it.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 20:34 There's a market for it. Do your thing. Uh, it, t- like I said, to me, it's more of a sad story.

Joe Rogan 20:40 Well-

Brendan Schaub 20:40 'Cause like I think they should be compensated or, or like, I want them to parlay their careers like a Michael Strahan or Kobe Bryant, you know, where, through our legends, and then they move on to do great things.

Joe Rogan 20:49 I agree, but I also, if they wanted to compete, it was because they wanted to compete. I w- I wonder where it makes sense to tell them they can't or they shouldn't. Because if they wanna do it, if they both wanna do it, like if they had money and they're like, "Oh," so what is it about it? Is it the motivation that bothers me? Like, what is it about s- a fight like that? It's the mot- I think it's the motivation. I think it's the fact that they have-

Brendan Schaub 21:13 You cringe a little bit, right?

Joe Rogan 21:15 A little bit because, see, I think Tito did better financially. You know? I think-

Brendan Schaub 21:21 Tito's fine.

Joe Rogan 21:22 He did really well in Bellator.

Brendan Schaub 21:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:24 He might actually want this fight just to fight Chuck again.

Brendan Schaub 21:28 I think so. I think Ti- Tito's on a different...

Joe Rogan 21:32 Trajectory.

Brendan Schaub 21:33 Correct.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Yeah. I mean, he's been fighting and doing well over the last few years.

Brendan Schaub 21:36 And he has a lot of other businesses and, you know.

Joe Rogan 21:40 Yeah. Yeah, he's s- he's still a formidable guy.

Brendan Schaub 21:43 Y- yes.

Joe Rogan 21:43 He's a beast.

Brendan Schaub 21:45 No.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Tito's a big fella.

Brendan Schaub 21:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 21:47 Both, both great guys. Now, I will say this. Everyone who's fighting in these older leagues or if they, if Golden Boy, if that's your thing to do, like these, this Master League, everyone fighting that league better pray to the MMA gods Vitor Belfort does not enter that fucking thing juiced to the gills.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Oh, he's going to.

Brendan Schaub 22:03 Have you seen his tits lately?

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 22:05 You better shut-

Joe Rogan 22:05 Looks amazing.

Brendan Schaub 22:06 Fantastic.

Joe Rogan 22:07 I'm so happy with him.

Brendan Schaub 22:07 He will wheel kick the fuck out of all those old dudes at the same time.

Guest 2 22:12 (laughs) He really will.

Brendan Schaub 22:13 Dude, I was looking at his Instagram the other day.

Joe Rogan 22:15 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 22:15 I was like, "Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yeah. Dude, something happens to Vitor when he fills up with super unleaded.

Brendan Schaub 22:20 Dude, it, it's like-

Joe Rogan 22:22 He's-

Brendan Schaub 22:22 ... peanut butter and jelly. He's a different being, man. Let him do his 'roids, bro. Like some people don't, don't, don't do well with 'roids, they get all red and shit.

Joe Rogan 22:27 It's not-

Brendan Schaub 22:27 He looks great. His skin's vibrant. His tits are popping.

Joe Rogan 22:30 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 22:31 He's all tan. His teeth get whiter.

Joe Rogan 22:33 He's doing straight testosterone. He's not, I mean, when he was on... See, think about this, right? We know for sure, we all know absolutely 100% that people have cheated and taken steroids and got away with it. We know that.

Brendan Schaub 22:46 Professional sports, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:47 I know it, you know that, especially in fighting, especially when the, the weigh-ins were the only day you had to pee-

Brendan Schaub 22:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:52 ... and there was no randoms that didn't just come by. We know for a fact, but when you watch someone who's just doing testosterone and what else he's doing, with his human growth hormone and-

Brendan Schaub 23:05 But he's fucking gigantic now.

Joe Rogan 23:07 I love that video.

Brendan Schaub 23:07 I love it, too, but what you get there, it's a different thing. Like, for Vitor, like something happens with him, like when you, wh- when they allowed him to take it, like during the Rockhold fight-

Joe Rogan 23:18 He's the heavyweight.

Brendan Schaub 23:19 ... and the Bisping fight, dude, his body ate it up. But that's a, it's a kind of a different thing because you're a l- he, it's like, it's above board, right?

Joe Rogan 23:27 Let me, let me ask you this.

Brendan Schaub 23:28 You're letting him do it so he doesn't feel guilty about it. You, you feel me?

Joe Rogan 23:30 True.

Brendan Schaub 23:30 He's still, he's finding a way where it's still legal-

Joe Rogan 23:33 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 23:33 ... when he was doing it.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Yeah, he was doing it legally.

Brendan Schaub 23:35 He was doing it legally.

Joe Rogan 23:35 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 23:36 He got permission from the UFC to do it.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 23:39 And the commission. So, but if you go back-

Joe Rogan 23:42 Here's what you want to say. If you go back before he did it-... like, uh, did you see when he fought Sexy Yama?

Brendan Schaub 23:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:46 Dude, his, his body didn't look nothing like that.

Brendan Schaub 23:49 No, no.

Joe Rogan 23:49 It looked like a welterweight, r- right?

Brendan Schaub 23:50 And, and everyone wants to go, they... A lot of people go, "Oh, he did steroids." Wha- whatever sport, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, you take steroids, try hitting those fucking home runs. Everyone was doing it.

Joe Rogan 24:01 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 24:01 In fighting, a lot of people were doing it. I'm not gonna say names. If... So when Jon Jones tested hot against DC, right? For whatever he tests hot for. If DC was doing the same stuff, would he have beat Jon? The answer's no.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Well, it was a very close fight up until that head kick, right? It was a good fight. You don't, you really never know what could've happened.

Brendan Schaub 24:22 I'm just saying, let's say-

Joe Rogan 24:22 That's the thing about high-level fighting, right?

Brendan Schaub 24:23 Correct. However-

Joe Rogan 24:25 But however, that's what happened, so we have to judge it based on that.

Brendan Schaub 24:28 If they were taking the same stuff, whatever you want to say Jon took. But if DC was taking... Do you think the outcome would've been any different? My answer's no.

Joe Rogan 24:34 If they were taking the same stuff. See, the, the Jon thing, we've gone over this, but we probably should go over this again if anybody doesn't know the actual, the numbers. He tested negative, then he tested positive for a, a minuscule amount. It was really small.

Brendan Schaub 24:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:50 And then he tested negative again.

Brendan Schaub 24:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:52 So whatever happened, happened in a very short window, and it was an incredibly small amount of whatever that stuff was.

Brendan Schaub 24:59 Some call it micro-dosing.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Yeah. It could be that, right?

Brendan Schaub 25:02 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 25:03 It could be that.

Brendan Schaub 25:03 We don't, we don't know really.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Yeah. The, the thing about it is, that stuff is supposed to stay in your system for a long time. It would be a stupid thing to take, because supposedly it's in your system for weeks.

Brendan Schaub 25:13 Mm-hmm. But w- we don't know.

Joe Rogan 25:15 We don't, we don't... Yeah. And also, the micro-dosing shit is real, folks. That's real.

Brendan Schaub 25:20 Oh, true.

Joe Rogan 25:20 I mean, that's what they were doing in baseball. They were taking testosterone gummy bears, and they would only last, like, three or four hours, and your body would metabolize them.

Brendan Schaub 25:27 They said A-Rod, they said A-Rod would eat them during the games.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 25:30 And then by the time the game was over, it was out of his system.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Yeah. And fucking gummy bears-

Brendan Schaub 25:34 And baseball, baseball with... They was testing baseball players for the dumbest shit. But it was one of those weird American things. Like, everybody's like, "I don't want my fucking athletes cheating."

Joe Rogan 25:43 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 25:44 But if we had the Russians' attitude about this-

Joe Rogan 25:46 "Just be cool, man."

Brendan Schaub 25:47 (laughs) If... I mean, what is it like? Like, how do the Russians feel about, like, that documentary Icarus, where that guy came on-

Joe Rogan 25:54 How could they give a fuck, right?

Brendan Schaub 25:55 ... and claimed that all the Russian athletes were on steroids? They don't even address it. Like, "Yeah, no shit, buddy. Anyways."

Joe Rogan 26:00 "Whatever, let it go."

Brendan Schaub 26:01 "Whatever, bro. Get over it, man."

Joe Rogan 26:02 "Killed a few whistleblowers over here."

Brendan Schaub 26:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:04 "Don't mind us."

Brendan Schaub 26:05 Yeah. "Come over here and let me know how it works out for you." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Yeah. Um, but-

Brendan Schaub 26:08 I wonder. Y- but the stuff, the stuff with steroids, I think we put too much... We almost put too much emphasis on the steroids, where it... D- don't get me wrong, it fucking helps, and helps a lot of guys. But if, if everyone was on the same thing, Jon Jones would still be the greatest of all time, he'd still unbeaten.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Yeah. Right.

Brendan Schaub 26:24 Broc, Brock Lesnar would still be Brock Lesnar. I think Cain would still be Cain, Stipe-

Joe Rogan 26:28 Right.

Brendan Schaub 26:28 ... still be... I, I think everything would be the exact same. I gotta, I gotta be serious here, man.

Joe Rogan 26:33 I think you're right, if everybody was on, the results would be the same. If everybody was on. The problem is, like, some people like Vitor just... (laughs) it just... His body loves it.

Brendan Schaub 26:45 He's made for it.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Yeah, his body's made for TRT replacement. It's crazy.

Brendan Schaub 26:49 It's... Yeah. So, I mean, you know, good luck. Good luck beating that dude-

Joe Rogan 26:53 Good luck with that.

Brendan Schaub 26:53 ... now that he's in the Wild West of Brazil, and he's looking for someone.

Joe Rogan 26:58 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 26:58 On his, on his Instagram. We talked about it on his Instagram. He finds this fan, and he's like, "How long you been a fan?"

Joe Rogan 27:03 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 27:03 He's all-

Joe Rogan 27:04 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 27:04 ... "Since the beginning, bro." He's like, "You wanna see me fighting against guests?" He goes, "Let's do it." Yes. Like, gives him a wink. I'm like, "Yeah. Who's gonna sign up to fight that fucking monster?"

Joe Rogan 27:12 But here's the thing. How does he get out of his contract? Does UFC still have him under contract, or did he retire?

Brendan Schaub 27:18 He retired, but that... But just 'cause you're retired, it... And I know, 'cause I retired. Your contract isn't voided, it's frozen.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 27:25 They're very smart. But it's Vitor Belfort. I highly doubt, all he's done for the UFC, I guarantee you could talk to-

Joe Rogan 27:32 They'll let him, let him go, maybe.

Brendan Schaub 27:33 Dana would let him go, I'd assume.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Yeah, that would be nice if they did.

Brendan Schaub 27:36 The scary thing about Chuck is Dana, who's obviously very close with Chuck for a long time. I don't know if they're so close anymore. Dana, this is Dana going... Says, "I don't think he should be fighting. Like, I don't wanna see him fight again. I sure as fuck wouldn't let him fight here. I hope he stops." And when someone close to the situation says that, I'm like, "Oh, God." But he's gonna do what he's gonna do.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Chuck versus Vitor was one of the first fights I ever called. Completed his contract with the UFC last month in a loss to Lyoto Machida, but it doesn't mean he's retiring. The Phenom took to social media to hint at a return and asked fans who they would like to see him fight next.

Brendan Schaub 28:10 Oh, he's good then. That means-

Joe Rogan 28:11 As usual for Vitor, though, his choices were a bit curious. Who's he asking to fight? Wanderlei?

Brendan Schaub 28:18 He asked the fans, so he said Wanderlei, Chuck, Tito, Bisping, or Rendo. Well, Rendo and Bisping's not happening. Chuck, Tito, or Wanderlei.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 28:26 You telling me you wouldn't watch Wanderlei, Vitor in Bellator?

Joe Rogan 28:29 I would watch that. I would watch that. What if... So, imagine if Tito and Chuck fight, and Chuck wins. Chuck wants to fight again. He wants to fight Vitor again.

Brendan Schaub 28:38 Huh.

Joe Rogan 28:38 He beat Vitor in UFC 37 and a half.

Brendan Schaub 28:41 And now it's like we're back to the future.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 28:44 I would text Chuck, I'm like, "Please don't fight Vitor." He's a fucking... I, I feel like it's different with Vitor.

Joe Rogan 28:50 What if... But wait a minute, we don't know. Chuck was clean.

Brendan Schaub 28:54 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 28:54 How about get Chuck on the Supersauce?

Brendan Schaub 28:55 (laughs) The ultimate ice man?

Joe Rogan 28:58 Come on, son.

Brendan Schaub 28:58 Stop fucking around.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Stop fucking around, bro.

Brendan Schaub 29:00 You're 48 years old, son.

Joe Rogan 29:01 It's true.

Brendan Schaub 29:02 You can't be eating mangoes and dates and fucking almond butter and think you're gonna compete-

Joe Rogan 29:07 That's true.

Brendan Schaub 29:08 ... with a sauced-up Vitor.

Joe Rogan 29:09 I didn't think of that.

Brendan Schaub 29:11 Come on, golden boy.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Yeah, you get that fucking...

Brendan Schaub 29:14 Yeah, you can't fuck with any legitimate organizations.

Joe Rogan 29:16 No, why would you?

Brendan Schaub 29:17 All these, all these organizations that wanna sneak up on you in the middle of the night and test your pee.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Oh, come on.

Brendan Schaub 29:21 No, player.

Joe Rogan 29:22 No, come on, golden snitch, take a break.

Brendan Schaub 29:24 How about, how about, uh, there's guys like, you know, Josh Barnett and even Ly- Lyoto said this. He goes, "With signing with the UFC, because of USADA..." And obviously they've all been busted.... previously, so they have a little different, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:36 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 29:36 ... agreement with him. But they're saying, listen, uh, well, Josh Barnett was not busted by Nowitzki, right? They... It came out he never took anything, but he lost a year of his career.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Yeah, I don't understand the Josh Barnett case. I'd like to have him explain it 'cause it sounds like... What I've read sounds like he got fucked.

Brendan Schaub 29:51 No, he did.

Joe Rogan 29:52 So explain it-

Brendan Schaub 29:53 No, he... They, they even admitted-

Joe Rogan 29:53 ... and tell me what you know.

Brendan Schaub 29:54 They ad-

Joe Rogan 29:54 They admit it?

Brendan Schaub 29:55 The... They, they know for a fact he did not, right? Like, he, they, they came out that... Same thing, like, they've had other guys, right? Like the, the, The Dirty Bird. What's his name?

Joe Rogan 30:04 Tim Means.

Brendan Schaub 30:04 Tim Means, they came out that, "Our, our bad."

Joe Rogan 30:07 Over-the-counter.

Brendan Schaub 30:08 Yeah. "You didn't take anything."

Joe Rogan 30:09 Took some...

Brendan Schaub 30:09 Yeah, it's all good, right?

Joe Rogan 30:09 He took, like, some protein powder that wa- that ha- was slightly contaminated.

Brendan Schaub 30:13 And that came out as true. And with Josh Barnett, it took a year to figure this out. And then they go, "My bad, bro. Yeah, yeah, I know you missed a year in your, you know, older fighter and it's a year of not getting paid. My bad. You're back... You're welcome back now." And Barnett's going, "Fuck this, man, I'm out."

Joe Rogan 30:27 Is that really what they did?

Brendan Schaub 30:28 I promise you that's what they did.

Joe Rogan 30:30 See, that seems-

Brendan Schaub 30:30 That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... to me to be a, a case where you've made an error that should be... You should compensate that fighter.

Brendan Schaub 30:38 That's what I'm saying. He should be-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 30:39 ... fully compensated. He should have went-

Joe Rogan 30:41 But you can't force a guy if you made the mistake. That's, that's like a... I mean, I'm not a business person, but if I was a business person, I'd be like, "Well, this is a clear case of someone owing someone money because you fucked up."

Brendan Schaub 30:52 But what, what the USADA's going to say is it was an investigation, it took us that long to figure... to get to the bottom of it. That's the process. That's how long it took.

Joe Rogan 30:59 Yeah, but they were wrong, right? So if they were wrong, so all their investigation stuff they did that took so long to get to the bottom of, you accused a guy who's innocent, right?

Brendan Schaub 31:10 Yeah, but see, don't they say-

Joe Rogan 31:12 Is that how it works?

Brendan Schaub 31:12 They say potentially flagged for PDs, right? They don't-

Joe Rogan 31:14 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 31:14 ... say what you're flagged for, and then it goes into investigation. But they're not... They, they don't say he was... He's suspended or he ta- tested positive for this. They say potentially flagged, and there's an investigation, then took a year to figure that out.

Joe Rogan 31:27 I think that they, the U- USADA, like, especially, uh, under the whatever guidelines that they had coming in here had a lot to work with, right? There's a lot of fighters. You gotta figure out who's... You gotta test this one more.

Brendan Schaub 31:44 Oh, it's a nightmare.

Joe Rogan 31:45 It's... I mean, it must be crazy.

Brendan Schaub 31:46 Mu- mu- must be a nightmare. I'm not saying it's a easy job. I, I, I, I think it's too much.

Joe Rogan 31:50 It's a very hard job.

Brendan Schaub 31:51 I think it's too much.

Joe Rogan 31:51 And I think it is too much, too. There's 500 fighters on roster, but w- a legend like Josh Barnett, he deserves respect.

Brendan Schaub 31:58 Nah.

Joe Rogan 31:58 That's the youngest ever heavyweight champion.

Brendan Schaub 32:00 Agreed, Joe, and he's one of my favorite fighters, and he's probably one of the smartest men to ever grace the octagon.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Very, very smart guy.

Brendan Schaub 32:05 He's such a smart dude. And I lo- I love Josh Barnett. However, if you're Nowitzki and you look at the history of Josh Barnett, there's a reason to have skeptical golden snitch eyes on him-

Joe Rogan 32:15 Right.

Brendan Schaub 32:15 ... because he's tested positive previously.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Right.

Brendan Schaub 32:18 That's what's going on.

Joe Rogan 32:18 I see what you're saying.

Brendan Schaub 32:19 You know what I'm saying? Like, if you have a track record-

Joe Rogan 32:21 (clears throat) Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 32:22 Like, like, I'm gonna test over him a tad more, Vitor a tad more-

Joe Rogan 32:25 How, how steep are you?

Brendan Schaub 32:27 ... than Stipe or DC.

Joe Rogan 32:28 How dare you? How dare you?

Brendan Schaub 32:28 I gotta just look at DC and be like, "Nah, you're good."

Joe Rogan 32:30 Dude, how about-

Brendan Schaub 32:31 You're fucking good.

Joe Rogan 32:31 ... super unleaded DC? DC's 40 years old, son.

Brendan Schaub 32:35 Is he-

Joe Rogan 32:35 DC's 40 years old, on the natch with just some powerful fucking Herculean genetics.

Brendan Schaub 32:40 Just a fucking-

Joe Rogan 32:40 Get him on that super sauce, kid.

Brendan Schaub 32:43 Bro.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Get him on that Vitor shit that gives you veins in your teeth. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 32:48 (laughs) Like veins in your ears, goddammit. He, uh... Do he-

Joe Rogan 32:52 Vitor, dude, when he was... There was a time when Vitor was, uh, they were... Had to face off with him and Rockhold and you, you look at Vitor, like, how... It was when he was doing the mohawk thing too.

Brendan Schaub 33:03 Dude, it looked like he had a stingray hanging off the back of his neck.

Joe Rogan 33:05 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 33:05 It looked like a fucking stingray was back there. His traps were like this.

Joe Rogan 33:08 He looked so scary, dude. And this is even at the weigh-ins, man. This was when the weigh-ins were the real weigh-ins.

Brendan Schaub 33:14 Yes. We should go back to them.

Joe Rogan 33:15 And Rockhold told me, he goes, he looked right at him, he's like, "What the fuck is this guy on?"

Brendan Schaub 33:18 It's just Winstrol coming out of his eyeballs.

Joe Rogan 33:20 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 33:20 Just fucking tears-

Joe Rogan 33:21 It was just-

Brendan Schaub 33:21 ... of Winstrol.

Joe Rogan 33:22 It was just testosterone. It was-

Brendan Schaub 33:24 Yeah, whatever, bro.

Joe Rogan 33:24 ... just whatever they let him take. You think it was on other things too?

Brendan Schaub 33:26 Oh my God, I don't know what he was on.

Joe Rogan 33:29 It's hard to tell from that picture 'cause he's an actual 185 right there.

Brendan Schaub 33:33 He's one of my favorite fighters though.

Joe Rogan 33:33 He's very, very deflated. It's amazing the difference between some guys, like, when they weigh in, like Yoel. When he weighs in at 185, he still looks super ridiculous, uber jacked at 185. You can't believe he only weighs 185-

Brendan Schaub 33:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 33:49 ... when he gets on the scale.

Brendan Schaub 33:50 Rockhold too.

Joe Rogan 33:51 But then, but then he fucking ... (explosion sound) (whoosh) I mean, he just puts all that meat back on.

Brendan Schaub 33:56 Your boy, your boy, uh, Whittaker was like, "That motherfucker's..."

Joe Rogan 34:00 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:00 Did you hear his interview? He's like, "Mm."

Joe Rogan 34:01 He said it was magic.

Brendan Schaub 34:03 He's like, "It's magic." See that man go from that to that? And he goes... And, and obviously, you find him before and he's aging and this time-

Joe Rogan 34:08 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:08 ... he's even harder. He's like, "Something's up there, son."

Joe Rogan 34:11 Yeah. Um, here's the thing. Maybe, but you know what else maybe? Maybe crazy Cuban genetics. I think that shit's real.

Brendan Schaub 34:19 Could be crazy Cuban genetics. But how much more-

Joe Rogan 34:22 He-

Brendan Schaub 34:22 ... impressive, whether whatever-

Joe Rogan 34:23 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:23 ... he's on, let's say he is on something, Whittaker beat him twice.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:26 There should not be a third fight.

Joe Rogan 34:28 I don't think this decision was just in the second fight, though.

Brendan Schaub 34:31 Nah, you're crazy, brother.

Joe Rogan 34:32 I think there should've been 10 eights.

Brendan Schaub 34:34 No.

Joe Rogan 34:34 I, I think if anything-

Brendan Schaub 34:35 You want new rules?

Joe Rogan 34:35 Y- yeah, I think it should've been a draw then. I don't think Yoel won that fight. If any... If you're gonna give Yoel a 10-8, then that's a draw.

Brendan Schaub 34:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:42 A draw and fi-

Brendan Schaub 34:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:43 And I don't think they give draws out enough.

Brendan Schaub 34:44 I don't think they do either.

Joe Rogan 34:45 A draw is fine 'cause then they're forced to have that trilogy fight.

Brendan Schaub 34:47 That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:48 That I'm fine with. I didn't think that a decision... I thought, like, there's too many moments in the fight where Yoel hurt Whittaker.

Brendan Schaub 34:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Like, really hurt him.

Brendan Schaub 34:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:58 There was no moments in the fight where Whittaker really hurt Yoel, like, really hurt him, like, had him in deep trouble.

Brendan Schaub 35:04 There was one, that head kick, that wobbled him a little bit. I think it was in the third or second round.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah, but man, that's third, like, the head kick was when... Dou-... I don't think that even fucking did much.

Brendan Schaub 35:12 It wobbled his legs a tad.

Joe Rogan 35:13 A little bit.

Brendan Schaub 35:14 But if you go round by round, watch that fight a bunch, I think... I... This was-

Joe Rogan 35:18 That's not... That's a good... That was like a... He landed with the foot, right? Like, right in the face?

Brendan Schaub 35:21 And then-

Joe Rogan 35:21 Top of the head?

Brendan Schaub 35:22 Yeah, but also, like, you go round by round, I... Just...... stylistically, I, I had Whittaker winning three, two... And I went, all right, let's say I gave you all when he fucked him up, that-

Joe Rogan 35:30 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 35:31 ... I think it was the fourth or fifth, it might... I forget.

Joe Rogan 35:32 It was, I think it was both rounds he had him in trouble.

Brendan Schaub 35:34 Yeah, but I, I gave one a 10-9 to you all. And then if you give a 10-8, you... It would still be a draw.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Right.

Brendan Schaub 35:38 Which I'm fine with.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Which makes more sense to me.

Brendan Schaub 35:41 But I, I, I know-

Joe Rogan 35:41 It's just people have a hard time with decisions when the guy at the end of the fight is fucking the guy up. Now obviously, this is coming from someone who's a professional commentator, so I understand this is a ridiculous argument. But the ridiculous argument is, if we're gonna judge what a fight is, we all know if you're watching a fight-fight, right? If you and I are in a fight and you're on top of me, beating the shit out of me, in the last few seconds when the cops come in, that doesn't matter. If I, if I ran around this room and kicked your legs-

Brendan Schaub 36:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 ... for the first two minutes, and then you got on top of me and were beating the fuck out of me for the last 20 seconds when the cops came-

Brendan Schaub 36:16 You're talking prison rules, son.

Joe Rogan 36:17 ... you won the fight.

Brendan Schaub 36:18 Yeah, no-

Joe Rogan 36:19 Right?

Brendan Schaub 36:19 But you won the fight in the streets.

Joe Rogan 36:20 But as a fight.

Brendan Schaub 36:20 But as a professional sport-

Joe Rogan 36:22 I understand, but this is a professional sport that's kind of a fight.

Brendan Schaub 36:25 Yeah, but it doesn't matter though.

Joe Rogan 36:26 It's not just the boxers. It, it's-

Brendan Schaub 36:26 So in boxing, if I win the t- first eight rounds, right? And then you're whooping my ass nine, 10, 11, 12-

Joe Rogan 36:32 Here it is right here.

Brendan Schaub 36:32 ... those first eight, what do we do?

Joe Rogan 36:34 There it is right... It's a good... No, it's a real good point, dude. It's a real good point. But the, the idea is-

Brendan Schaub 36:39 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 36:39 See, that didn't hardly do anything.

Brendan Schaub 36:40 Oh, bro, he was on wobbled

Narrator 36:42 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 36:42 ... but he was already-

Brendan Schaub 36:42 ... King Street.

Joe Rogan 36:43 ... tired, dude. Look how wobbly he is already there.

Brendan Schaub 36:45 How about the kicks by fucking Whittaker, too?

Joe Rogan 36:47 Whittaker's so good, dude. And the fact that he fought that fight most of it with a fucking broken hand.

Brendan Schaub 36:52 Mm-hmm. Broke, broke his hand with one hand.

Joe Rogan 36:53 He broke his hand the first round. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 36:54 And being with one leg the first fight, come on.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah. No, he's phenomenal.

Brendan Schaub 36:56 How fucking can-

Joe Rogan 36:57 You know he threw that hand too, even... Oh, look, you got a clip there again.

Brendan Schaub 37:00 Oh, he was in trouble for sure.

Joe Rogan 37:01 A couple times.

Brendan Schaub 37:02 I had, I had one round of 10-8, so that'd be a draw.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Oh, dude, that... See this right here? This is a 10-8, man. This is a 10-8.

Brendan Schaub 37:07 Again, even if you give a 10-8, still it should be a draw then.

Joe Rogan 37:09 (laughs) You, but maybe.

Brendan Schaub 37:09 H- he wouldn't, he wouldn't win the fight.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Okay. He, what... No, see two guys-

Brendan Schaub 37:12 I'm with you on a draw.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Two guys are fighting, it's a close round, but one guy drops the round... Drops him and has him hurt. Like, everything up until that moment is close. I think that's still a 10-8.

Brendan Schaub 37:22 Geez, Joe, you're tossing 10-8s out there like it's fucking-

Joe Rogan 37:24 I think 10-8s, it's gotta be the difference is someone almost got finished. This is an almost got finished moment. The legs go, the person falls, the guy gets on top-

Brendan Schaub 37:34 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 37:34 ... he starts pounding him.

Brendan Schaub 37:35 See, I don't have a problem with 10-9. That, I think it has to be a clear fucking b- bully beat down for a 10-8 round.

Joe Rogan 37:40 I think that should be a 10-7. I think we should make this shit make sense.

Brendan Schaub 37:44 10-7's game? I mean, fuck it.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 37:45 Why are you even fighting? 10-7... If you're 10-7-

Joe Rogan 37:46 You gotta stop someone.

Brendan Schaub 37:47 I'm like, "Fuck sakes, bro."

Joe Rogan 37:49 You gotta stop someone.

Brendan Schaub 37:49 I really feel like this, this scorecard... This, this 10 point must system is silly.

Joe Rogan 37:53 The whole thing's silly.

Brendan Schaub 37:54 Silly. The, the, the, the judging, the whole-

Joe Rogan 37:56 But the silliness... Yeah, you're right.

Brendan Schaub 37:58 We've bi- we've kicked that fucking horse.

Joe Rogan 37:59 But the n- the numbers. Like, why do we need 10 points? Just because boxing always had 10 points? They're e- they're only using their hands. They're not even using their elbows, you know? Just think about all the different things. Like, how... What's worth more? Is a jab worth more than an elbow?

Brendan Schaub 38:12 Oh, they're all-

Joe Rogan 38:12 What... Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 38:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:13 What's worth more, a j- a guillotine choke that you get out of? How much, how many points do you get for that? We gotta figure that out, man.

Brendan Schaub 38:19 But it... But it's also predicated off styles too.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 38:21 'Cause what happens if... Let's say I'm Brian Ortega. Let's take Brian Ortega-

Joe Rogan 38:24 Right.

Brendan Schaub 38:24 ... and Max Holloway. And Max Holloway on the feet, jabbing, good distance control. And Brian really can't get it going, but then he pulls guard.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 38:31 He pulls guard and he's fucking throwing arm bar, triangle, leg lock. And Max is kind of defending, but he's in trouble.

Joe Rogan 38:37 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 38:38 They're not giving that to Brian down there.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Right.

Brendan Schaub 38:40 They don't know shit about the ground game.

Joe Rogan 38:41 They don't know shit about that. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 38:42 They look at Max on top and go, "Well, when he was on the feet, he landed more jabs. Let's give it to, uh, fucking Max."

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah, there's moments where a regular guy is on his back and they're right, like-

Brendan Schaub 38:53 Correct. Different.

Joe Rogan 38:53 ... the guy doesn't have a good guard or a guy who just h- tries to hang on until the referee pulls him off. But then there's some dudes who have... Their guard is, like, the scariest place to be.

Brendan Schaub 39:01 You gotta, you gotta know what you're dealing with. You gotta, you gotta know the premises. You gotta know-

Joe Rogan 39:04 Remember that kid Paul Sas?

Brendan Schaub 39:06 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Won so many fights by triangle, man.

Brendan Schaub 39:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:09 It was ridiculous.

Brendan Schaub 39:09 Ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 39:09 You would see that guy fight off of his back and be like, "Whoa."

Brendan Schaub 39:13 Yup.

Joe Rogan 39:13 "He's moving quick." He was closing shit up quick. Dudes didn't know what the fuck was happening. But all of a sudden they're jacked and triangled.

Brendan Schaub 39:20 Dude, how about that Max Holloway Brian Ortega fight?

Joe Rogan 39:23 That's a great fight.

Brendan Schaub 39:24 The greatest fight at 45 since Conor-

Joe Rogan 39:26 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 39:26 ... and Aldo.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's-

Brendan Schaub 39:29 It's such a dangerous fight for Max.

Joe Rogan 39:31 It's a dangerous fight for both guys. I mean, this is the first... Well, for Ortega it's not his first time in world-class territory, right? He had Cub and he had Frankie. He w- won both of them in spectacular fashion. I think-

Brendan Schaub 39:42 Finish Frankie, never been done before.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Never been done before. But the crazy thing, I thought just as crazy, maybe more crazy, was the way he finished Cub. He almost got Cub in the first round. Cub is a real Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

Brendan Schaub 39:55 Free him up.

Joe Rogan 39:55 And I know that Max finished Cub as well.

Brendan Schaub 39:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:58 But Cub was hurt in that fight. I think he had either a broken jaw or-

Brendan Schaub 40:01 Yeah, he went into the fight injured, yeah?

Joe Rogan 40:03 Something was fucked up.

Brendan Schaub 40:04 Something I remember that.

Joe Rogan 40:05 And something went real bad during the fight.

Brendan Schaub 40:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Anyway, y- you know, all credit to Max, he, he did finish him. But it was the way... When they went to the ground, Ortega locked up that d'arce at the end of the first round. I was like, "Jesus."

Brendan Schaub 40:17 Standing.

Joe Rogan 40:17 "This is tight." It was... This was tight, man. When they went to the ground and they were... When it was... When he was cinching it up and then the buzzer went off-

Brendan Schaub 40:25 Five more seconds, that fight's over.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah, that fight's over. That fight... That was a tight fucking thing.

Brendan Schaub 40:30 And he did the exact same thing again.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 40:32 He went, "Oh, cool. Cool."

Joe Rogan 40:33 He just knew he could do it.

Brendan Schaub 40:34 Cool.

Joe Rogan 40:34 The thing is-

Brendan Schaub 40:35 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 40:35 ... his jiu-jitsu is at such a fucking high level. He's so dangerous.

Brendan Schaub 40:42 You can't really train for it either. Like, just, just being in the room with Ortega, it's... Like, you've seen triangles, you've seen arm bars. The way he sets up and it's so explosive and the angles he hits, you can't bring anyone in to, to duplicate that. It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 40:54 It's so different. And what's crazy about Brian is his story. Like, he's a guy who's not gonna go in there talking shit. He comes from a super humble background. And his, his demeanor inside that octagon when... Even e- earlier in his UFC career when the, the... It was not going well for him and he found some way to... He's finished all fighters, so he found some way to get it done. And he... I think it comes from gr- growing up in that rough background, man.

Brendan Schaub 41:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Like, it doesn't fluster him. He's like, "I just... I need something." He never gives up. He's like, "I... Something's gonna come. Something's gonna come." And I think that's huge in this Max Holloway fight, 'cause Max's distance control is fucking second to none, man. It's gonna be tough for Brian to get in there.

Brendan Schaub 41:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:31 And I think once Brian can get an underhook, I think we're gonna see him jump to half guard, something like that. It- it's gonna be interesting, man.

Brendan Schaub 41:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:37 It's gonna be interesting to see if Brian could turn it into a jiu-jitsu match. But the thing about Brian is he's so comfortable with his hands, man.

Brendan Schaub 41:43 He's getting more comfortable, for sure.

Joe Rogan 41:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 41:44 And doesn't train... And doesn't have, like, a super team.

Joe Rogan 41:46 Yeah. He's amazing. But Max Holloway, dude, when I saw the second fight with Aldo. The second fight with Aldo, there were some moments in that fight where I was like, "Jesus."

Brendan Schaub 41:56 Oh, he's one of my favorite fighters.

Joe Rogan 41:56 This dude's on another level.

Brendan Schaub 41:58 I know.

Joe Rogan 41:58 But he was overwhelming Aldo. Like, he went into that fight, you know... And the... Basically when they announced the... This is where the... His phrase, uh, where it started to hit me, "It is what it is." You know, he says. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 42:09 "It is what it is." Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.

Joe Rogan 42:11 That was his attitude-

Brendan Schaub 42:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:12 ... to go fight an absolute future Hall of Famer who was thought to be the greatest featherweight of all time, a guy who, you know... Think about some of the spectacular KOs of Chad Mendes.

Brendan Schaub 42:23 I know.

Joe Rogan 42:23 And, I mean, he was a monster when he was young.

Brendan Schaub 42:25 He's probably the best ever.

Joe Rogan 42:25 How about when the Cub Swanson flying knee in-

Brendan Schaub 42:28 Dude?

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... WEC?

Brendan Schaub 42:29 What?

Joe Rogan 42:29 Dude, he was a beast. And for him-

Brendan Schaub 42:32 More common-

Joe Rogan 42:32 ... to go into that fight-

Brendan Schaub 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... and be like, "It is what it is." Like, it is what it is.

Brendan Schaub 42:35 The fuck's that mean?

Joe Rogan 42:36 And he just smashed him. Just smashed him.

Brendan Schaub 42:37 How... Well, how about when he was gonna fight fucking, uh, Khabib?

Joe Rogan 42:41 Oh, yeah. And he would've, if they'd ref, if the commission pulled him off-

Brendan Schaub 42:43 They didn't pull that off.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Yeah, if the commission didn't pull him off the weight cut, he would've fought Khabib on like how many days notice? What was that, eight days?

Brendan Schaub 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Some days, something fucking crazy.

Brendan Schaub 42:51 Something like that. Something ridiculous. Some-

Joe Rogan 42:51 That's how much of a badass he is, super short notice.

Brendan Schaub 42:54 I, I also think the, what, the reason why I love this fight and it's so good for the UFC especially, just for the both of them, is Max and Brian are gonna fight multiple times.

Joe Rogan 43:03 It does, I think so.

Brendan Schaub 43:03 This, I, I think this is gonna become a cool rivalry.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 43:06 Where you're gonna see 'em go from 45, whoever wins this, I don't really care who, I love both those men. I fucking love both those guys. Whoever wins, I think eventually, they're both huge for their weight class. And Max is younger than Brian. They're gonna go to 55.

Joe Rogan 43:18 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 43:18 Even Max's team goes, he, he should be a 55-er. He's fucking huge for 45.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Well, you think about how much weight he had to lose to get to 55.

Brendan Schaub 43:25 I know.

Joe Rogan 43:25 He, they pulled him off the weight cut to 55, which is crazy.

Brendan Schaub 43:29 55, there's some fights for him.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 43:31 But I think, and, and this is great for fighters, man, like with, with Aldo, he was never that big until Conor came, right?

Joe Rogan 43:37 Right.

Brendan Schaub 43:37 And there's this rivalry. DC, Jon Jones, Nate Diaz, Connor-

Joe Rogan 43:40 Oh, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 43:40 Like, there's, there, these rivals-

Joe Rogan 43:42 Ali, Frazier.

Brendan Schaub 43:42 Misha, uh, Ronda.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Ronda, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 43:44 There's all, you know, Holly Rond-, there's all this-

Joe Rogan 43:46 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 43:46 ... stuff starting to happen and then people fucking tune in. So I think for Brian and Max, they don't need to talk any shit, they just keep being humble, their skills speak for themselves, but there, people want to tune in for that.

Joe Rogan 43:57 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 43:57 And you're gonna get a bunch of fights out of these guys, man.

Joe Rogan 43:59 And I fucking-

Brendan Schaub 43:59 I think you're probably right.

Joe Rogan 44:00 ... my dick's hard about it.

Brendan Schaub 44:01 Woo!

Joe Rogan 44:02 I know, I love it, man. I get goosebumps talking about those fucking two.

Brendan Schaub 44:05 Yeah, they're pretty badass. It's nice to see, uh, just any time you have a guy who's defending his title and you have a guy who you legitimately think could be a champion. And you see, look, you look at the two of them, like I look at that fight and I go, "I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen."

Joe Rogan 44:19 I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't either. It just depends-

Brendan Schaub 44:20 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 44:21 ... i- if Max makes one mistake, Brian could capitalize on it. Brian's so dangerous.

Brendan Schaub 44:25 So dangerous.

Joe Rogan 44:25 And also, what's interesting to me is, when I first met Brian years ago when he was in the gym, remember, he was mopping mats and just doing his thing and Rener would bring him on the road. He even goes on the road now with Rener and they teach cops their, their tactical stuff and-

Brendan Schaub 44:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:38 ... they do these seminars and he was like Rener's little guy.

Brendan Schaub 44:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:41 And I always took him serious 'cause jitsu is ridiculous and he would train with me and all the stuff, but I never thought best in the world, you know?

Brendan Schaub 44:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:48 I was never, like, he never, ever.

Brendan Schaub 44:50 I know, 'cause you knew him.

Joe Rogan 44:51 I'm like, "What's up, B? Yeah, buddy, what's up, man?" And I seen, when, when they told me, 'cause I corned for a fight, and then, um, they go, "Dude, UFC's coming, calling Rener." I go, "Not yet." Uh, you know, I'm cautious Larry. I'm like, "No, no, no, no. Please, he has to work on his standup. Don't fucking let him do it, man." And then Rener's like, "Dude, he wants to do it." And then, fucking, I was way off. That motherfucker- He got good with his hands quick.

Brendan Schaub 45:11 ... fucking fast. He steps up to the level of competition, man.

Joe Rogan 45:14 Well, he definitely does, but it's also, he's so good at jujitsu that he just took whatever that focus is that got him so good at jujitsu and applied it to striking. And now, he's a, he's just a winner. He knows how to win. You know what I mean? He knows how to put shit together. When he landed that uppercut on Frankie, and I was like, "Jesus."

Brendan Schaub 45:31 Vicious.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Like, Frankie's a hard guy to fucking hit clean.

Brendan Schaub 45:34 (laughs) What? Impossible.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 45:35 Especially for Gray Maynard. Yeah, it's a fucking nightmare.

Joe Rogan 45:37 To me, well, and even Gray Maynard, he came back and won that fight.

Brendan Schaub 45:39 Which was insane.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Right? Which is insane. Draw in the first fight, KOs him in the second fight.

Brendan Schaub 45:43 Insane. Insane.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Those fights were fucking chaos, man.

Brendan Schaub 45:45 That's some of the best.

Joe Rogan 45:46 But the fact that Ortega took him out, I mean, some people say, "Well, maybe Frankie's at the end of his rope. He's in, you know, he's in his, deep into his 30s now." What is he, 36?

Brendan Schaub 45:54 Something like that, right? 36, 34? Either way, though, it's Frankie Edgar.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Either way it's Frankie Edgar.

Brendan Schaub 46:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:00 And then he went on to beat Cub Swanson, what?

Brendan Schaub 46:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Like four weeks later or some shit?

Brendan Schaub 46:03 Yeah, he was like, "No, I'll do that in New Jersey."

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 46:06 36.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 46:07 There you go.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Yeah. Just phenomenal conditioning.

Brendan Schaub 46:09 Dude, and then also on this card you got DC fucking Stipe. To, to me it's like the first real, like we're in the superfight era, to me this is like the first real, real superfight. Like GSP, Bisping, I was like, "That's cool that the thick-ass GSP I guess that's superfight." But DC/Stipe is a fucking real superfight, man.

Joe Rogan 46:28 That's a real superfight.

Brendan Schaub 46:30 I love it, man.

Joe Rogan 46:31 You know what I'm looking to almo- looking forward to almost as much?

Brendan Schaub 46:34 Uh, Francis, Black Beast?

Joe Rogan 46:37 That's right, son. Derrick Lewis, Francis Ngannou. Woo!

Brendan Schaub 46:42 I know everyone thinks it'll be a first round knockout and they're just going to throw caution to the wind, I think Derrick Lewis double legs him, either in the first round or second round, and beats him, uh, via TKO.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Really?

Brendan Schaub 46:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Damn. How good is Der- Derrick's wrestling?

Brendan Schaub 46:54 I mean, he's an explosive dude and he used to play football. You know? I, I-

Joe Rogan 46:58 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 46:58 See, I, I think people are making the mistake going, "Oh, Derrick's just gonna go in there, Francis is just gonna go in there, fucking plant their feet and just fucking chuck the bombs." I think you're wrong, man. I think you're, I think people who think that are wrong.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 47:09 I think Derrick, Derrick's gonna mix it up. If he's smart, I, I just, I, I think what I would do if I was them and, and what Derrick and his background and Francis working on stuff, I think Derrick's gonna shoot.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 47:20 The crowd, the crowd's gonna boo, but Derrick's gonna shoot. And then his ground pound is fucking nasty.

Joe Rogan 47:23 I don't know if the crowd's boo if it's a good crowd, a crowd that understands the danger of Francis on his back and Derrick on top, Derrick with big KO power, stop Travis Browne. I bet they might be thinking, "Oh, shit. This is gonna get crazy."

Brendan Schaub 47:35 Hopefully.

Joe Rogan 47:35 'Cause it's not like if Derrick takes you down he's just gonna hold onto you. He's gonna try to kill you.

Brendan Schaub 47:39 And he's not gonna submit you.

Joe Rogan 47:40 No.

Brendan Schaub 47:40 He's gonna punch you with his-

Joe Rogan 47:41 He's gonna try to kill you.

Brendan Schaub 47:41 ... fucking face.

Joe Rogan 47:42 That Travis Browne Ki- TKO or a KO rather-

Brendan Schaub 47:44 That was vicious.

Joe Rogan 47:45 ... ruthless.

Brendan Schaub 47:46 It's one of the worst ones. Bisping-

Joe Rogan 47:47 Ruthless.

Brendan Schaub 47:47 Dan Hendo and then that one for me.

Joe Rogan 47:49 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 47:49 I's like, you don't wanna see that replay.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah, that was a rough one.

Brendan Schaub 47:52 That was a tough one.

Joe Rogan 47:53 And, uh, Ngannou, man, you gotta get to him first. The thing about getting to him is you're running into hammers.

Brendan Schaub 48:01 You gotta get to him.

Joe Rogan 48:02 You gotta get to him. You're running in-

Brendan Schaub 48:03 Or you just gotta kinda stay back and then the cardio gets to him.

Joe Rogan 48:06 But we only saw him tired once, but it was a big once.

Brendan Schaub 48:09 We've only seen him out of the first round once, right?

Joe Rogan 48:11 Yeah. Stipe figured it out. He just, he just-

Brendan Schaub 48:14 That's also Stipe, like we're giving-

Joe Rogan 48:16 Right. Right.

Brendan Schaub 48:16 I give Francis a lot of shit, but that's fucking Stipe.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Stipe. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 48:18 He's the best.

Joe Rogan 48:19 He's the most com- you know, accomplished heavyweight of all time.

Brendan Schaub 48:21 Yeah, I mean, you have to look at him, i- his accomplishments, you, you look at the guys that he stopped and the guys he defended his title, like Ray, stopped Fabricio, wins the title, stops Alistair, stops Junior dos Santos. I mean-

Joe Rogan 48:34 The only reason why Stipe doesn't get enough credit as he should is because all those guys are a step past their prime, right? Like to me-

Brendan Schaub 48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:42 ... the-... and I don't, and I love Stipe. To me, what's more impressive, when Cain beat JDS, that was prime JDS, who was a motherfucker. A motherfucker. And Cain put his fucking head right in the middle of his chest and did work after getting knocked out. In the first round on Fox- That was insane. ... in the biggest fight in MMA history. That was insane, man. Insane, insane. Like that, that to me, that's a little more impressive than what, when the, what, when Stipe beat JDS, 'cause that's JDS after an ass whooping by Cain, rounds. It is more impressive, but you know it's- Which was 10 rounds of an ass whooping, basically. ... it's almost as impressive as surviving that first round against Francis. I don't know who would've survived- Agree. There's not a lot of guys that would've survived that round the way Stipe did. DC. DC, man, I wonder. He ate that fucking punch from Anthony Rumble Johnson- Oh yeah, how about that kick? ... and popped the fuck back up, like- Yeah. "Oh, God." Yeah. "Jesus Christ." But Jon KO'd him. Well that, yeah, it's Jon Jones. Yeah. Jon Jones beats everyone we're talking about. But maybe, I don't know. See, the thing about Francis, I'm very curious to see what he looks like- How dare you. No, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm very curious to see what, what he looks like in this next fight, because we're gonna find a lot about whether or not he's able to correct mistakes, whether his conditioning is just one of those things with all that fast twitch muscle fiber, whether he's not gonna be able to go five rounds hard. I don't think he's gonna turn into fucking Nate Diaz- No. ... you know, or something like that. I, I think it might be a tad better. The, the way you get better is not using all this energy on power punches. Right, right. Like, so maybe it's more of a experience thing. Mm-hmm. But with Derrick Lewis, he also pedal to the metal and hits hard as fuck too. He does. And he's been in, you know, he's been in some serious trouble. That Travis Browne fight- Yeah, mm-hmm. ... like he was in serious fucking trouble, man. Yeah. Yeah, he's, uh, he's a warrior for sure. I mean that guy has been in some crazy ass fucking fights, crazy fights. He's dangerous. Both are super dangerous. Yeah. I mean, he wants that fight too. Derrick Lewis is asking for that fight. They both wanted it, man. Yeah. They both wanted that fight. It's gonna be crazy. This is gonna be crazy, super crazy. I think, I think the craziest thing on the card to me is how many people are writing off DC. He's the underdog against Stipe. Yeah. I have DC beating the man. Do you? Yeah. I know you hate picks, but when I, when I break down the fight, I look at what that terrible picture makes Stipe look super small and fucking DC look giant. Yeah, that's crazy. Look how small Stipe looks. DC looks like he's like a fucking gigantic person. He looks like Brock Lesnar. Stipe looks like DJ Dillashaw. He just looks like he's five. What are they doing? What the fuck, bro? Stipe looks like a, a bantamweight. (laughs) It's hilarious. Yeah, one says 76 inches, one is 71 inches. That, none of that bothers me, man. Like the, the reach, the height, 'cause DC's dealt with that his entire career. Gustafsson- Mm-hmm. ... Jon Jones, those guys had even bigger reaches. I think also one thing to take into consideration is Stipe doesn't throw a lot of kicks. He's not a big kicker. Bingo, sir. Yeah. He's more of a boxer. Mm-hmm. And, um, you know, he's... DC's also going to be able to get under him easier- Mm-hmm. ... than any guy who's ever fought before. I mean, DC's what? 5'11"? Mm-hmm. Is he about 5'11"? If that, yeah. He, you know, he's gonna... And he fucking, he has top of the food chain wrestling, man. Remember what he did to Henderson? Dude, and Barnett. Barnett. Fucking tossed him around. Launched Barnett in the air, launched him in the air. Fucking rude. Slammed him. Rude. DC's a legend. Yeah, Barnett's a big fella. Yeah, and can grapple his fucking ass off. He can grapple his fucking ass off and DC took him for a ride, son. But- But the Henderson fight was the most impressive to me, because Henderson, even though he's smaller than DC, he's a fucking stud and he was an Olympic silver medalist himself. I know, man. And DC just raggedolled him. See, and, and people go, uh, I see some people discredit DC a little bit when they go, "When he won the Grand Prix in, in Strikeforce, that was a different time. Those heavyweights were older and you know, those, the, the game's evolved." When I look at Stipe- Mm-hmm. ... I'm like, "Heavyweights haven't really evolved that much, man." You don't see a guy throwing a lot of kicks and mixing up wrestling and jiu-jitsu. Like you look at Stipe's game, it's boxing or wrestling. Yeah. That's very similar to what DC's used to beating. So the times when he's in trouble is guy li- like Jon Jones, who fucking mixes up and he's a fucking nightmare. But when you're just, when you're just boxing- Well, the thing about Jon is Jon does it all. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. When you're, when DC goes in a fight and you're just boxing or wrestling, DC's, his... The reason why DC's gonna go down as one of the greatest of all time is his mental game, bro. Mm-hmm. He's so fucking... His, his fucking fight IQ is crazy. Yeah. He's tough as shit. And you know, the, like if you look, uh, who else does it the way Jon does? Where they're, they're really good at everything. They win by submission, they win by knockout, they win by, you know... Mighty Mouse. Yeah. You'd have to go all the way, you'd have to go to a lighter weight. Those are the two, right? Because even Cain, Cain would do Muay Thai and Cain would for sure wrestle and ground and pound, but he never really submitted anybody. No. Cain's thing was wrestling- Just smash you. Yes, smash. Yeah. Outwork you. And then, yeah, outwork you. Get you to, get you exhausted to the point where you didn't, you never even believed you could be that proud. Embrace the grind. Yeah. Which DC has been training with Cain- Forever. ... before this fight. Yeah. And, and who- Is Cain back now? Cain, Cain's helping him. Is he 100% training? Yeah, he's helping him. Wow. So, so when I look at that, I go, all right, uh, uh, Cain's style is almost identical to fucking Stipe's, but Stipe has a little more power. Yeah. As far as cardio, wrestling- Yeah. ... Cain's better at those things, man. Well, Cain was better than anybody that ever lived for like two years. There was a- Nightmare. Yeah. There was a moment, I mean, and he just got s- injured so many times. There were so many injuries with him. But like, when you look at what he was able to do with real fucking tough guys, just break them down. Ridiculous, man. Real tough guys. But, you know, he's had shoulder surgery, back surgery, knee surgery. I mean, after a while everything was just giving out because of the force of his will and his workouts are so fucking tough. Those guys at AKA, you know, like Dana was giving them a hard time at one point in time saying something about, you know, that they, they're always getting hurt, but that's- They win. That's what, how you get killers like Cain. To get a guy that's got that kind of mind, he's used to being in that horrible misery of trying to break someone. He's used to it, does it all the time. So does DC. They all do it all the time. And then DC went, "I'll go there and train." Yeah. And remember, DC before he went there, he trained with us in Denver. He didn't, he wasn't that good, you know. Obviously his wrestling was ridiculous, but he moved there and then he just followed suit. Yeah. Then you got Jon Fitch, you got- Mm-hmm. ... Koscheck, you got fucking Khabib. Khabib. You got all- Luke Rockhold. Yeah, man. When Rockhold gets people on the ground and smashes them, when he got Weidman on the ground, Weidman was stuck under a building. Dude. Same thing with Lyoto Machida.You, you look at him and you go, "Oh."

Brendan Schaub 55:05 David Branch.

Joe Rogan 55:07 David Branch, same thing.

Brendan Schaub 55:07 Black belt.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Gets you down and his fucking top game is just murderous, man.

Brendan Schaub 55:12 I'll do it. I heard-

Joe Rogan 55:13 It's 'cause, 'cause of who he's training with.

Brendan Schaub 55:14 I agree.

Joe Rogan 55:14 He's training with those guys.

Brendan Schaub 55:15 I, I, I have friends who, who were watching him train down in Florida, and they were just saying h- his, his Jujitsu, he'll ... They wouldn't give me names, they said world-class Jujitsu guy. He's fucking up Roland, like just destroying.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Yeah. No, he's a freak-

Brendan Schaub 55:26 He's a nightmare, man.

Joe Rogan 55:27 ... he's a freak athlete. He's strong, and he's long. He's got, like, long leverage, but he's also got physical strength.

Brendan Schaub 55:33 He was supposed to fight Gustafsson until he hurt his leg.

Joe Rogan 55:36 What happened to his leg?

Brendan Schaub 55:36 It was official. Uh, he got a huge gash in it. He had staples. I think he posted it looking-

Joe Rogan 55:41 Damn.

Brendan Schaub 55:41 ... fucking terrible.

Joe Rogan 55:41 That would be an interesting thing at 205.

Brendan Schaub 55:43 But now you got Gustafsson and-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Volkon, Volkan Oezdemir. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 55:45 Gustafsson and Volkon. No time, no time, son.

Joe Rogan 55:47 So you think Stipe and DC goes to DC by decision?

Brendan Schaub 55:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Think he outwrestles him?

Brendan Schaub 55:52 I just think he outworks him. I think he outworks him, and I don't think it's a classic fight. I just think hopefully more people appreciate DC after this. I, I-

Joe Rogan 56:01 Mm.

Brendan Schaub 56:01 ... look at both of them, they both have the embrace the grind thing. As, as, and as long as DC can avoid that big power punch early on, he's gonna be fine. And he's so smart, man.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Well, I definitely think he's really smart, but I also think that Stipe is a really good striker. And he's a bigger guy, and he's got a long reach, and he's probably one of the best heavyweight strikers that DC's ever fought. He's got real one-punch knockout power at heavyweight. He throws clean shots.

Brendan Schaub 56:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:27 He doesn't have any fat in his punches. He'll stand here like this and drop one in on you.

Brendan Schaub 56:31 Has a chin too.

Joe Rogan 56:31 He's got-

Brendan Schaub 56:32 He hates ... Fan says it's his best shot.

Joe Rogan 56:33 He's got a chin, he's tough as fuck.

Brendan Schaub 56:35 No.

Joe Rogan 56:35 He loves being champion.

Brendan Schaub 56:37 Agree.

Joe Rogan 56:37 You know, he might, he might have a lot to prove here, and you know, he doesn't throw a lot of kicks, but it doesn't mean he can't. He can throw them if he wants to. If he thinks that's part of the strategy and he wants to throw head kicks, I mean he-

Brendan Schaub 56:47 It'd be cool to see. I don't see-

Joe Rogan 56:48 Have you seen him kick?

Brendan Schaub 56:49 Yeah, I have.

Joe Rogan 56:50 He can kick.

Brendan Schaub 56:50 He can kick. It, it's the difference between kicking in practice and pulling off against a world-class-

Joe Rogan 56:54 That's true.

Brendan Schaub 56:55 ... guy like DC.

Joe Rogan 56:55 He's a big guy too, man.

Brendan Schaub 56:56 But DC has tendencies, man, and that-

Joe Rogan 56:57 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 56:58 ... that's where Jon ... That's why Jon Jones goes, "I'm gonna knock him out by head kick."

Joe Rogan 57:01 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:01 Because if you look at the video, DC's here.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 57:04 He's, he's down there, man. He's susceptible to it. So that's why he sees-

Joe Rogan 57:07 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:07 ... it. But if you're Stipe-

Joe Rogan 57:08 Did Jon, did Jon fake a right hand and then throw that left high kick?

Brendan Schaub 57:11 He was setting up. He was throwing to the body, throwing the body-

Joe Rogan 57:14 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 57:14 ... yeah, and then threw it out, and then you see DC go over and then just whack.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:20 Let me see-

Joe Rogan 57:20 See if you can find that clip of Jon Jones KOing DC. Here it is.

Brendan Schaub 57:24 Powerful, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Oh man, just landed it perfect. Let me see that one more time.

Jamie Vernon 57:30 The first one?

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:32 You, you know what's interesting about this?

Joe Rogan 57:33 All right, let ... Go back, go back to ... Sorry, go back to the beginning. Watch this.

Brendan Schaub 57:37 How the fuck did this only have 3,000 views?

Joe Rogan 57:38 Dude, that was beautiful. The way he did that, that was-

Brendan Schaub 57:41 God, I hope Jon comes back.

Joe Rogan 57:43 It was beautiful. There was like no fat in that all, man. It was beautiful.

Brendan Schaub 57:47 Boom, boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 57:47 So amazing.

Brendan Schaub 57:48 Think how good DC is and for him to do that.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Amazing.

Brendan Schaub 57:52 Ridiculous, man.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Just smashed him, dude. Look at this.

Brendan Schaub 57:57 So ridiculous. Damn.

Joe Rogan 58:00 He took a couple extra shots there that he didn't need to take.

Brendan Schaub 58:02 Well, there's a lot of bad blood-

Joe Rogan 58:03 Damn.

Brendan Schaub 58:03 ... there, and now they're even going back at it on Twitter, but have you-

Joe Rogan 58:06 Jon Jones.

Brendan Schaub 58:07 Here, here, here's the perfect case scenario. If, if you're, you know, if you're Scrooge McDuck and you're sitting down and you're looking at the UFC roadma- roadmap, you're like, "We love Stipe. He's been a great champion." But if they could plan it like you're fucking Vince McMahon in WWE, you want DC to win and then Jon to come back and at heavyweight, you have DC/Jon Jones fighting for world title at heavyweight. And they have Brock going, "I got next." Wade in the back going, "I got next." Q, Q, Q, Kufe. Ratings, ratings, ratings. Ratings, ratings, ratings.

Narrator 58:37 Mm.

Brendan Schaub 58:37 Golden Snitch take a hike.

Joe Rogan 58:39 I like it.

Brendan Schaub 58:41 Let's let that sink in.

Joe Rogan 58:42 Another one is what if Jon suspension lasts longer than we think? We don't even ... We're assuming that Jon's gonna get a suspension, then he's gonna be able to come back fairly soon.

Brendan Schaub 58:51 Don't be the no fun, please.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Well, what if Brock comes in and Brock fights the winner of DC and Stipe? Let's just say DC wins.

Brendan Schaub 59:00 I'll take it.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Okay, and DC, DC could beat Brock.

Brendan Schaub 59:03 That's an interesting fight.

Joe Rogan 59:05 DC versus Brock is an interesting fight.

Brendan Schaub 59:07 It's a great fight.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Brock's got hands as big as this table. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 59:10 He's fucking ... And he can wrestle his ass off.

Joe Rogan 59:12 (laughs) He can wrestle his ass off. The question is could he, can he do it clean at his age? Because he took like 12 different tests.

Brendan Schaub 59:19 (laughs) What's this clean talk, bro?

Joe Rogan 59:21 Clean, clean room.

Brendan Schaub 59:21 We'll figure it out.

Joe Rogan 59:22 We don't, I don't know if we-

Brendan Schaub 59:22 Just like the last one.

Joe Rogan 59:24 I think if the UFC wants to make that pay, you got to tell USADA to scram.

Brendan Schaub 59:28 For like, dude-

Joe Rogan 59:28 Get out of the picture for this one.

Brendan Schaub 59:29 ... come ... This one fight.

Joe Rogan 59:30 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 59:30 Go, hey, take, go grab a cup of coffee.

Joe Rogan 59:32 (laughs) I d-

Brendan Schaub 59:33 It's Brock and Jon. Go grab a fucking cup of coffee.

Joe Rogan 59:35 But here's the thing-

Brendan Schaub 59:36 Skitzky.

Joe Rogan 59:36 ... no one's, no one's gonna ever let that happen. This is, we're talking trash. This is nonsense talk.

Brendan Schaub 59:41 You're crazy if you think USADA's all clean like the US government or some shit.

Joe Rogan 59:45 (gasps) What are you saying? First of all, you think the US government is clean? I'll call Eddie Bravo right now.

Brendan Schaub 59:49 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 59:50 Have him have his way over here. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 59:51 That's what I'm saying. USADA's like the government, son. Everything ain't fucking done-

Joe Rogan 59:55 (gasps)

Brendan Schaub 59:55 ... by the books. If I'm Dana, I'm like, "Yeah, open up your glove compartment box."

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Yeah, man.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:00 You keep that-

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Maybe.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:01 ... and you keep your greasy mouth shut-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Keep your greasy mouth shut.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:03 ... while these boys come over and punch each other in the face.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:06 Don't fuck up our ESPN deal.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:09 And who wouldn't want to see that?

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Yeah, maybe ESPN pull him aside, take him into some smoky room.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Sit down there with some Cuban cigars and some fine-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:17 What are we doing here?

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 ... fine whiskey and talk.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:19 How long is their deal with USADA?

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 I don't know.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:21 Do we know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 I don't know.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:22 Do we have any idea?

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 I don't know.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:24 They're ... Because he had to sign a contract.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 (inhales deeply) I don't know.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:28 I bet there's a countdown in Dana's office just every day, 364 days.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:00:33 364 days. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 (laughs) Oh, the whole thing is kind of crazy that it's self-imposed.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:40 Right? (laughs) What are you doing, man?

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Well, it was a gr- it was a gr- it's a great move-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:44 To sell.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 ... uh, to sell.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:45 To the company.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:46 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 When-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:46 Yeah, there's the move.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Fertitta's so genius.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:49 Monster.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Lorenzo's a goddamn genius. He figured it out.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:52 Brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 And you know, now he gets to just be a fan with four billion in the bank.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:58 What? What? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 He's like, "Yeah, no. You have to smash a few eggs-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 ... and make an omelet, man." But he ... It's a great success story because those guys were down 40-plus million dollars in the hole when-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:09 Originally, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 ... yeah, when The Ultimate Fighter took off.... they, they had spent, they had lost 40 million.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:16 What's that to them though?

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 It's enough-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:18 40 is 40 but still when you're-

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 It's enough.

Guest 2 1:01:20 When you're a billionaire?

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 If you lost, say if you lost a couple hundred grand, you would survive but you'd be like, "Shit."

Brendan Schaub 1:01:24 I'd be pissed for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 He'd be like, "Fuck, this is not good." It takes a long time to make that money.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:29 Especially I get to my boy to run and it's fucking up, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Yeah, exactly. Dude, $40 million is $40 million.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:35 It's a ton of money.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 I don't give a fuck who you are.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:37 No, I agree. Well, if I'm a billionaire, I'm going to be like, (blows raspberry) .

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 I don't want that money going away.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:41 Still going home getting my dick sucked.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:01:43 You know what I'm saying? Like, "Oh my God, that sucks. Anyways, let me just walk into my giant mansion."

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 You gotta think of how many different businesses they're running at the same time though. They had like 20 casinos, 20 plus casinos.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:54 Palace stations.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 They had a Green Valley Ranch.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:57 Yep, they're still