JRE MMA Show #33 with Brendan Schaub

1. 0:00 – 0:51

   World Cup banter and Boulder’s “soccer guy” culture shock

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (clears throat) Three, two, one. Yee-haw! I walked in, you guys were watching soccer. I was hugely disappointed.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub0:11

      Dude, England's in penalty kicks.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Oh my God, is that okay?

   4. BSBrendan Schaub0:14

      Dude-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What happened? (laughs)

   6. BSBrendan Schaub0:14

      ... well, like, (laughs) it's the World Cup, man. If they win, they move on. So, uh, but the penalty kick thing- And they just won. They just won.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      They just won?

   8. BSBrendan Schaub0:20

      England just won.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      We missed it?

   10. BSBrendan Schaub0:21

       They just fucking won.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Missed it? Are you guys rooting for England?

   12. BSBrendan Schaub0:23

       Yeah, I'm- I'm-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Are you?

   14. BSBrendan Schaub0:24

       ... I'm English, man. I'm half English. My mom's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Are you?

   16. BSBrendan Schaub0:25

       My mom was born and raised there, bro.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I thought you were bi.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub0:27

       What's up, bro? I know, most people do.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       (laughs)

   20. BSBrendan Schaub0:30

       English, son.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So you really root for England?

   22. BSBrendan Schaub0:32

       Yeah, big time.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       No shit?

   24. BSBrendan Schaub0:34

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Wow.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub0:35

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Oh.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub0:36

       I know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Do you-

   30. BSBrendan Schaub0:37

       Well, if U.S. isn't in it, you know-
2. 0:51 – 2:22

   Colorado sports recruiting, outdoor lifestyles, and why Boulder feels different

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:51

      (clicks tongue) Dude, I was in Boulder. You know, Boulder's like the People's Republic of Boulder. I don't have to tell you. You're from Colorado, you know what it's like out there.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub0:57

      I went to school there, son.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      Boulder's rough.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub0:59

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00

      It's, uh, they're, they're like super duper liberal. And people were unnaturally happy about the World Cup, like super excited that they know so much about soccer and yelling... I was at a bar, and I was like, "Ew."

   6. BSBrendan Schaub1:14

      That'll make you hate it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      "Ew." (laughs)

   8. BSBrendan Schaub1:15

      That'll make you hate it. But if you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:17

      It was just-

   10. BSBrendan Schaub1:17

       But if you go to England-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Right.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub1:18

       ... you'll feel good about it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       But it was this certain type of white dude.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub1:22

       All right, that's you, bro.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       You know? (laughs)

   16. BSBrendan Schaub1:25

       That's you. You know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       (laughs)

   18. BSBrendan Schaub1:25

       I fucking-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       They mean well. They probably had a dad that was in the Navy or some shit, you know?

   20. BSBrendan Schaub1:29

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       (laughs) Got bullied around at home and they just went the total opposite hard way.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub1:34

       No, it-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       That shit happens, man.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub1:35

       ... seems a tough sell, especially if you're like an athlete, like a Black athlete. Like y'all-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       Oh my God. It's like no Black guys.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub1:40

       That's what, that's why they struggle a little bit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Oh yeah.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub1:43

       Like, look at the beautiful mountains. They're like, "Bitch, I don't hike."

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       (laughs)

   30. BSBrendan Schaub1:46

       "I'm from Comto-... I don't give a fuck about your mountains."
3. 2:22 – 3:48

   Bears in hot tubs: Colorado wildlife returns and suburban animal encounters

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      Did you know that, uh, wolves and bears are, and wolves and grizzly bears are making their way back into Colorado?

   2. BSBrendan Schaub2:28

      Really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Yeah. About goddamn time.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub2:30

      Interesting. Why were they gone? Hunters?

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      Well, they killed them off in the 1800s and then they reintroduced them to Yellowstone. And mostly they stayed around Wyoming and Montana where Yellowstone is and they made their way into Idaho, but now they've definitely spotted them in Colorado and they've also, a very credible source, in fact, my friend Adam Greentree took video of g- what he said was a grizzly bear and he knows the difference.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub2:55

      He knows his shit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Yeah, it was in the San Juan Mountains in Colorado last, uh, September. So they think that there's a population of grizzly bears.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub3:03

      Adam would know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      He would know.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub3:04

       And if, if you watch the news, like the local news in LA, which I do, especially when I get depressed, you-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       (laughs)

   12. BSBrendan Schaub3:09

       There's, there's a bunch of black bears, like, in hot tubs and shit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Yes.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub3:12

       Just popping up.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       In Pasadena?

   16. BSBrendan Schaub3:14

       Just chilling in hot tubs.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       Yeah.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub3:15

       Why do they love the tubs?

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       Well, they don't know that it's a hot tub. They just know it's water.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub3:20

       And they love it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       And so like for them to find a spot that's filled with water, it's probably terrible for them unless you have a salt pool.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub3:25

       You know how hot it is too, and the chlorine? Like what the fuck is this?

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       The chlorine, that's what I'm saying. Like if the bear's drinking all that chlorine, it's gotta be-

   24. BSBrendan Schaub3:30

       Jizz in that pool. You know what you do in hot tubs, bro.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       Oh yeah, that's like... That's dick soup. (laughs)

   26. BSBrendan Schaub3:35

       Yeah. (laughs) Got that cock soup for them black bears. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       (slaps leg) Yeah, what percentage of hot tubs do people fuck in?

   28. BSBrendan Schaub3:41

       100% is the answer.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       (smacks lips) Probably.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub3:43

       100%.
4. 3:48 – 7:54

   Bear and mountain lion attack talk: what to do (and why advice is messy)

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      Yeah, there's a lot of bears up there. There's a funny video, man, of this dude in Pasadena and he's on his phone and he's walking down an alley and as he turns and walks down the alley he's just on his phone and he's looking down. He's not looking where he's going. He looks up and there's a fucking bear right in front of him. (laughs)

   2. BSBrendan Schaub4:02

      And the bear doesn't do shit?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      The bear doesn't know what to do and he just runs.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub4:04

      Both of them are like, "What the fuck?"

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      See if you can find that. Th- uh, so this, homie is just not paying attention.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub4:10

      Dude, I would shit my pants.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      Oh yeah, for sure. It's very dangerous.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub4:13

      Like, like you saw the, uh, you saw the homeboys in Seattle get fucked up... Well, one died by the mountain lion?

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub4:18

       That super hungry mountain lion?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Yeah, just on a bike. Apparently the mountain lion was emaciated, it, it was all fucked up and sick and it only weighed like 90 something pounds, but it still fucked both of those dudes up.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub4:29

       But they, they tell you like, "Oh, use your bike as a shield and scare him off." That lion's like, "What? I don't give a fuck about your Trek bike, son."

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah, they hit it with the bike apparently. It didn't do shit.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub4:38

       How about homeboy was like, "Dude, you're getting attacked. I'm gonna run and get help." Way to go, asshole.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Yeah.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub4:42

       Runs off and that lion goes, "Where the fuck you going?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       And the lion killed him.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub4:46

       And kills him.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Yeah.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub4:46

       Homeboy got away.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       You know, that happened in Beijing too with, uh, the lady who got outta the car and a tiger attacked her at the Wild Animal Park.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub4:53

       Yeah, that's what you get.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       She got outta the car, the tiger attacked her. Here it is. (laughs) There he is.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub4:58

       Damn, that's a big bear, bro.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       He's a, he's a big bear. That's a fucking terrifying bear. So this guy, he's on his cellphone. Where's the, uh... (laughs)

   26. BSBrendan Schaub5:07

       Dude, that's a big ass bear.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Where... Here, here it is. Here it is. Watch. The dude's on his phone.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub5:12

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Look at this. (laughs)

   30. BSBrendan Schaub5:14

       (laughs)
5. 7:54 – 11:00

   Training theory: water workouts, explosiveness, and the end of ‘bro science’

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      That's so true. I've thought that exact same thing. I've thought that exact same thing, like, how much could you generate under water? Like, people go under water to work out. You seen that famous photo of Ali?

   2. BSBrendan Schaub8:05

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Ali used to do a lot of shadow boxing under-

   4. BSBrendan Schaub8:07

      In the water?

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:08

      ... water. Yeah.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub8:08

      And Jon recreated it. Have you seen the Jon Jones one?

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      Oh, yeah. That's right.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub8:11

      It's fucking dope.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      That's right.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub8:13

       It's dope.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       You know, GSP does a lot of work in the water.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub8:16

       He was the first one I knew who was doing work in the water. And actually, for, I mean, months, would drive down to Laguna Niguel where he was working out, and we'd do these water workouts. And we're in the pool, we're in the pool for, like, two hours. And I was like, "Bro," and I ... (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       (laughs)

   14. BSBrendan Schaub8:29

       I did it for two weeks. And then he goes, he goes, (imitating GSP) "You coming in on Wednesday?" And I go-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       That's the worst GSP ever.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub8:34

       It's the worst. That sounds more like someone with a mental disability.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       (laughs)

   18. BSBrendan Schaub8:37

       I have problems with ... I sound like a ... Right? I sound like Stephen Hawking or some shit.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       You definitely sound like someone who doesn't know English that good.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub8:42

       Not good.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       (laughs)

   22. BSBrendan Schaub8:43

       So anyways, he goes, "You coming on Wednesday?" I won't do the accent again. And I was like, "Nah, I'm not, man. I'm sick of the fucking pool." He'd be in there for, like, two hours. He'd have these things, he'd just be in there doing that stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Yeah. Well, he does a lot of jumping, which is really interesting. I was thinking about it. I was like, "Yeah, like, you could generate maximum force, like, jumping in the water." And it's probably, like, real easy on the joints in comparison.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub9:05

       It's, it's easy on the joints, but, um ... I was listening to one expert talk about it. Um, actually, I think Loren Landau was telling me this. He's a, a strength coach for the Denver Nug- or Denver Broncos now. He was saying it's good to mix in, but to do it every week all the time, especially in the sand or water, you're not getting the same explosiveness. You're not generating the same explosive power.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       So you should mix it up.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub9:25

       Yeah. He goes, "If you're just doing that, you're actually, it's actually gonna make you less explosive."

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Wow. See, those dudes-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub9:30

       GSP, GSP begs to differ.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       ... like Landau, but those dudes that are just on the cutting edge. They're constantly, like, comparing studies and just trying to get that little extra edge. And it is so interesting now. It's so ... Like, the world of strength and conditioning has never been, like, more complicated.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub9:47

       'Cause there's no more bro science, though, also.
6. 11:00 – 14:04

   Firas Zahabi’s ‘never be sore’ philosophy and fight-camp workload management

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      Firas was on.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub11:00

      Looking for deca.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      Firas was giving us some insight into that, that, like, his philosophy on training.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub11:06

      What did he say?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:06

      He goes, "The m- most interesting thing he said-"

   6. BSBrendan Schaub11:08

      He's a smart, smart man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      Psh. About as smart as people get. But one of the more interesting things that he said was that you should never feel sore. He's like, "You should work out and-"

   8. BSBrendan Schaub11:19

      Come on, bro.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:19

      "... you should build yourself up to the point where you never feel sore, and never push yourself past your limit." Should never be like, "Ah." Never. He's like, "And just-"

   10. BSBrendan Schaub11:28

       In, in, in working out or training too?

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       In, in training. He was talking about training, he was talking about everything.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub11:31

       Dude.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       He was talking about just do more, do more v- of it in a day.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub11:35

       (gasps) Interesting.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Yeah. He was saying that if you do, like, sets, like do a set at like here, here's a for instance. This is, I'm taking it out of context.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub11:43

       This is his example?

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       Yeah. It was like if you did, um, certain amount... I forget the numbers he was talking about, but if you did a certain amount of work, let's just to paraphrase say if you do, uh, 20 chin-ups and you do two sets of 20 chin-ups, you like barely can get 20 and you're burnt out afterwards and you're wrecked. Or instead of that, you're, you're doing 40 reps, right, either way. Do 40 of them throughout the day, but do it five reps at a time, but do the same amount of work. How would you recover?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub12:08

       How many, how will you have recovery stamina?

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       It's a good question. But the idea being, well, I think it's a different thing, but the, the idea being, like, to get yourself into this position where you can train hard, especially with, like, physical fitness type stuff, shouldn't break your body down totally. You should just give your body enough of a chance to fully recover and then build up.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub12:29

       I, I think we have to be a little careful with that because for us specializing in mixed martial arts, well, there's so many disciplines-

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       Right.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub12:35

       ... where you can't go balls to the wall in strength and condition, you can't just break yourself with wrestling, you can't just go-

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Right.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub12:40

       ... hard in sparring. You have to kind of monitor those things and figure it out.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:44

       Yeah.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub12:44

       So I, I think it's a little bit of a bias thing. He's right, I think, as far as it goes as mixed martial arts. Loren Lando's been saying that forever.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       Mm-hmm.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub12:50

       'Cause I'd go super hard in the weight room. He's like, "I'm telling you, tonight you have wrestling, you're gonna be screwed, man."

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       Right.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub12:54

       "You gotta figure this out. You gotta figure out this formula, man." That was a long time ago.
7. 14:04 – 18:42

   Gymnastics, body types, and the ‘stunts your growth’ myth

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      Does anybody your size do that stuff?

   2. BSBrendan Schaub14:07

      Uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      There's gotta be some dude-

   4. BSBrendan Schaub14:08

      I was the biggest one in there for sure, and the rest were all eight-year-old girls who were just monsters.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:13

      (laughs)

   6. BSBrendan Schaub14:13

      And then Nate and GSP.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:15

      (sighs)

   8. BSBrendan Schaub14:15

      I used to look like this big Shrek character in there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:19

      Gymnastics is probably like the sport that gets dudes the most jacked. When you see like ring guys-

   10. BSBrendan Schaub14:25

       They're tiny, though.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       Right, but they're jacked.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub14:28

       It doesn't count. The does ain't count.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Doesn't... Well, if you're being active-

   14. BSBrendan Schaub14:31

       You ever seen a skinny midget? You ever see a s- skinny small person? Have you ever seen like a real thin small person?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       How dare you. Just how dare you.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub14:36

       I'm sorry, small person. Uh, they're all jacked.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       Are they?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub14:40

       Yeah, they're all fat asses. (drum roll) They're all jacked fat asses, bro.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:45

       I don't think it's the same thing we're talking about here.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub14:47

       No, I'm saying-

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:47

       I'm seeing... (laughs)

   22. BSBrendan Schaub14:48

       Dude, I'm saying the smaller-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       ...I'm seeing jip-sis.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub14:49

       I know they're small though, bro.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       I, I see what you're saying.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub14:51

       So they're jacked.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:52

       Mm-hmm.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub14:53

       Like if, like if LeBron got in gymnastics, he's not gonna be jacked.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       Well, what's the average size of a, like, Olympic gymnast?

   30. BSBrendan Schaub15:01

       5'3".
8. 18:42 – 21:47

   Chuck vs Tito and the ‘older legends’ fight economy

   1. BSBrendan Schaub18:42

      And Chuck Liddell and Tito are fighting. So what else you got?

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:44

      Ooh, what do you think of that?

   3. BSBrendan Schaub18:46

      Not my cup of tea, but you know, I'd go to-

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:48

      You're gonna watch it?

   5. BSBrendan Schaub18:48

      The, I f- for sure will.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      I'm gonna watch it.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub18:50

      Yeah, we'll watch it. If you're fucking paying for it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:53

      There's p- some people say it shouldn't happen, right?

   9. BSBrendan Schaub18:55

      Oh, no. I d- see, I don't think it shouldn't happen. I, I look at it more like if, uh... See, I think if Chuck Liddell was still an employee of the UFC getting paid $400,000 just to chill or whatever the fuck he was doing for the UFC, he would not be fighting. I think there's more of a money play, which bums me out 'cause I think Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz, what they did for the sport, should be compensated for the rest of their lives.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       Yeah.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub19:14

       I, it bums me out they have to fight to make money. That bums me out. I don't know if Tito does so much 'cause he was very smart. Chuck, you know, it, it seems like maybe that's the, what's going on there.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       But he's, he also has been saying, now you gotta wonder what, where this is coming from, but he has been saying that he misses it. And it's th- it was his favorite thing.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub19:33

       Yeah, I miss playing baseball.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       And he misses it. Yeah, but it's different. Like, i- if, if y- if we're gonna live forever, if we were gonna live forever, I would say yeah, definitely don't do it 'cause you're just gonna keep damaging yourself. But if you're not gonna live forever, and you're-

   15. BSBrendan Schaub19:49

       But how old is Chuck now?

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:49

       Well, let's say, let's say he's going, he's 48. So let's say we're gonna live to 100.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub19:53

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Let's say Chuck lives to 100 and I'm being nice. He's halfway there.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub19:55

       I'm being friendly right now. Let's say he lives to 100.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       Hey, you never know.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub19:58

       Athletes don't live long, brother.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       Well, today's medicine-

   23. BSBrendan Schaub19:59

       Oh, I have another, what am I? I'm 35, 30 solid years left in me. So let's say Chuck is gonna live-

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       Medicine's son. Science.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub20:08

       True.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:08

       New shit.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub20:09

       I know. I'm big, though. Great hound-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Yeah.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub20:10

       Great Danes, bro. So let's say-

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       (laughs)
9. 21:47 – 29:24

   Steroids, TRT Vitor, Jon Jones testing, and micro-dosing realities

   1. BSBrendan Schaub21:47

      Both, both great guys. Now, I will say this. Everyone who's fighting in these older leagues or if they, if Golden Boy, if that's your thing to do, like these, this Master League, everyone fighting that league better pray to the MMA gods Vitor Belfort does not enter that fucking thing juiced to the gills.

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:03

      Oh, he's going to.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub22:03

      Have you seen his tits lately?

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      Yes.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub22:05

      You better shut-

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:05

      Looks amazing.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub22:06

      Fantastic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:07

      I'm so happy with him.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub22:07

      He will wheel kick the fuck out of all those old dudes at the same time.

   10. G2Guest 222:12

       (laughs) He really will.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub22:13

       Dude, I was looking at his Instagram the other day.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       Yeah.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub22:15

       I was like, "Oh my God."

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Yeah. Dude, something happens to Vitor when he fills up with super unleaded.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub22:20

       Dude, it, it's like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       He's-

   17. BSBrendan Schaub22:22

       ... peanut butter and jelly. He's a different being, man. Let him do his 'roids, bro. Like some people don't, don't, don't do well with 'roids, they get all red and shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       It's not-

   19. BSBrendan Schaub22:27

       He looks great. His skin's vibrant. His tits are popping.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       (laughs)

   21. BSBrendan Schaub22:31

       He's all tan. His teeth get whiter.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       He's doing straight testosterone. He's not, I mean, when he was on... See, think about this, right? We know for sure, we all know absolutely 100% that people have cheated and taken steroids and got away with it. We know that.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub22:46

       Professional sports, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       I know it, you know that, especially in fighting, especially when the, the weigh-ins were the only day you had to pee-

   25. BSBrendan Schaub22:52

       Yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:52

       ... and there was no randoms that didn't just come by. We know for a fact, but when you watch someone who's just doing testosterone and what else he's doing, with his human growth hormone and-

   27. BSBrendan Schaub23:05

       But he's fucking gigantic now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       I love that video.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub23:07

       I love it, too, but what you get there, it's a different thing. Like, for Vitor, like something happens with him, like when you, wh- when they allowed him to take it, like during the Rockhold fight-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:18

       He's the heavyweight.
10. 29:24 – 33:56

    USADA controversies: Barnett, Tim Means, JDS, and the problem of public vindication

    1. BSBrendan Schaub29:24

       How about, how about, uh, there's guys like, you know, Josh Barnett and even Ly- Lyoto said this. He goes, "With signing with the UFC, because of USADA..." And obviously they've all been busted.... previously, so they have a little different, you know-

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       Yeah.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub29:36

       ... agreement with him. But they're saying, listen, uh, well, Josh Barnett was not busted by Nowitzki, right? They... It came out he never took anything, but he lost a year of his career.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:45

       Yeah, I don't understand the Josh Barnett case. I'd like to have him explain it 'cause it sounds like... What I've read sounds like he got fucked.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub29:51

       No, he did.

    6. JRJoe Rogan29:52

       So explain it-

    7. BSBrendan Schaub29:53

       No, he... They, they even admitted-

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       ... and tell me what you know.

    9. BSBrendan Schaub29:54

       They ad-

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:54

        They admit it?

    11. BSBrendan Schaub29:55

        The... They, they know for a fact he did not, right? Like, he, they, they came out that... Same thing, like, they've had other guys, right? Like the, the, The Dirty Bird. What's his name?

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:04

        Tim Means.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub30:04

        Tim Means, they came out that, "Our, our bad."

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:07

        Over-the-counter.

    15. BSBrendan Schaub30:08

        Yeah. "You didn't take anything."

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:09

        Took some...

    17. BSBrendan Schaub30:09

        Yeah, it's all good, right?

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:09

        He took, like, some protein powder that wa- that ha- was slightly contaminated.

    19. BSBrendan Schaub30:13

        And that came out as true. And with Josh Barnett, it took a year to figure this out. And then they go, "My bad, bro. Yeah, yeah, I know you missed a year in your, you know, older fighter and it's a year of not getting paid. My bad. You're back... You're welcome back now." And Barnett's going, "Fuck this, man, I'm out."

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:27

        Is that really what they did?

    21. BSBrendan Schaub30:28

        I promise you that's what they did.

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        See, that seems-

    23. BSBrendan Schaub30:30

        That's, that's-

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        ... to me to be a, a case where you've made an error that should be... You should compensate that fighter.

    25. BSBrendan Schaub30:38

        That's what I'm saying. He should be-

    26. JRJoe Rogan30:39

        Yeah.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub30:39

        ... fully compensated. He should have went-

    28. JRJoe Rogan30:41

        But you can't force a guy if you made the mistake. That's, that's like a... I mean, I'm not a business person, but if I was a business person, I'd be like, "Well, this is a clear case of someone owing someone money because you fucked up."

    29. BSBrendan Schaub30:52

        But what, what the USADA's going to say is it was an investigation, it took us that long to figure... to get to the bottom of it. That's the process. That's how long it took.

    30. JRJoe Rogan30:59

        Yeah, but they were wrong, right? So if they were wrong, so all their investigation stuff they did that took so long to get to the bottom of, you accused a guy who's innocent, right?
11. 33:56 – 39:20

    MMA judging: 10-8 rounds, draws, and why the 10-point must system feels broken

    1. BSBrendan Schaub33:56

       Your boy, your boy, uh, Whittaker was like, "That motherfucker's..."

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       Yeah.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub34:00

       Did you hear his interview? He's like, "Mm."

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       He said it was magic.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub34:03

       He's like, "It's magic." See that man go from that to that? And he goes... And, and obviously, you find him before and he's aging and this time-

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       Yeah.

    7. BSBrendan Schaub34:08

       ... he's even harder. He's like, "Something's up there, son."

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:11

       Yeah. Um, here's the thing. Maybe, but you know what else maybe? Maybe crazy Cuban genetics. I think that shit's real.

    9. BSBrendan Schaub34:19

       Could be crazy Cuban genetics. But how much more-

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:22

        He-

    11. BSBrendan Schaub34:22

        ... impressive, whether whatever-

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:23

        Yeah.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub34:23

        ... he's on, let's say he is on something, Whittaker beat him twice.

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:25

        Yeah.

    15. BSBrendan Schaub34:26

        There should not be a third fight.

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:28

        I don't think this decision was just in the second fight, though.

    17. BSBrendan Schaub34:31

        Nah, you're crazy, brother.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        I think there should've been 10 eights.

    19. BSBrendan Schaub34:34

        No.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:34

        I, I think if anything-

    21. BSBrendan Schaub34:35

        You want new rules?

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:35

        Y- yeah, I think it should've been a draw then. I don't think Yoel won that fight. If any... If you're gonna give Yoel a 10-8, then that's a draw.

    23. BSBrendan Schaub34:42

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan34:42

        A draw and fi-

    25. BSBrendan Schaub34:43

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:43

        And I don't think they give draws out enough.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub34:44

        I don't think they do either.

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        A draw is fine 'cause then they're forced to have that trilogy fight.

    29. BSBrendan Schaub34:47

        That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:48

        That I'm fine with. I didn't think that a decision... I thought, like, there's too many moments in the fight where Yoel hurt Whittaker.
12. 39:20 – 1:02:14

    Fight breakdowns and matchmaking excitement: Holloway–Ortega, DC–Stipe, Lewis–Ngannou

    1. BSBrendan Schaub39:20

       Dude, how about that Max Holloway Brian Ortega fight?

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:23

       That's a great fight.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub39:24

       The greatest fight at 45 since Conor-

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:26

       Yeah.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub39:26

       ... and Aldo.

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:27

       Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's-

    7. BSBrendan Schaub39:29

       It's such a dangerous fight for Max.

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       It's a dangerous fight for both guys. I mean, this is the first... Well, for Ortega it's not his first time in world-class territory, right? He had Cub and he had Frankie. He w- won both of them in spectacular fashion. I think-

    9. BSBrendan Schaub39:42

       Finish Frankie, never been done before.

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:44

        Never been done before. But the crazy thing, I thought just as crazy, maybe more crazy, was the way he finished Cub. He almost got Cub in the first round. Cub is a real Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

    11. BSBrendan Schaub39:55

        Free him up.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:55

        And I know that Max finished Cub as well.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub39:58

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        But Cub was hurt in that fight. I think he had either a broken jaw or-

    15. BSBrendan Schaub40:01

        Yeah, he went into the fight injured, yeah?

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:03

        Something was fucked up.

    17. BSBrendan Schaub40:04

        Something I remember that.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:05

        And something went real bad during the fight.

    19. BSBrendan Schaub40:06

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:07

        Anyway, y- you know, all credit to Max, he, he did finish him. But it was the way... When they went to the ground, Ortega locked up that d'arce at the end of the first round. I was like, "Jesus."

    21. BSBrendan Schaub40:17

        Standing.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:17

        "This is tight." It was... This was tight, man. When they went to the ground and they were... When it was... When he was cinching it up and then the buzzer went off-

    23. BSBrendan Schaub40:25

        Five more seconds, that fight's over.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:26

        Yeah, that fight's over. That fight... That was a tight fucking thing.

    25. BSBrendan Schaub40:30

        And he did the exact same thing again.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:32

        Yeah, yeah.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub40:32

        He went, "Oh, cool. Cool."

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:33

        He just knew he could do it.

    29. BSBrendan Schaub40:34

        Cool.

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:34

        The thing is-

Episode duration: 2:53:56