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JRE MMA Show #39 with Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone

Joe sits down with UFC fighter Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone.

Donald "Cowboy" CerroneguestJoe Roganhost
Aug 30, 20182h 35mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:02 – 2:58

    Catching up: weight class plans, UFC PI testing, and the sudden Mike Perry matchup

    1. DC

      (glass clinks) Yes, sir. (ice cubes clinking)

    2. JR

      Cheers.

    3. DC

      Cheers. (glasses clink)

    4. JR

      And we're live.

    5. DC

      And we're live. There's so much to talk about.

    6. JR

      Obviously. So much to talk about.

    7. DC

      It's been years.

    8. JR

      It's been a while. It's been a while.

    9. DC

      It's been a while.

    10. JR

      And, uh, one of the reasons why you're here is 'cause I was supposed to have Jackson Win- I mean, we should just get right into this. I was supposed to-

    11. DC

      You think we should get into it or should we-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DC

      ... let the...

    14. JR

      Let the Budweiser settle in?

    15. DC

      Let the Budweiser kick. I haven't even eaten breakfast. I specif-

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DC

      ...cally didn't eat breakfast. I'm like, "I'm gonna drink beer with Joe. I already know he's getting me beer, and that way it can hit me a lot faster and I'll loosen up my lips a lot sooner."

    18. JR

      We can do whatever you want, man.

    19. DC

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      It's up to you. You're looking thick, dude. How much do you weigh now?

    21. DC

      Man, so I've been, um... So here's a crazy story. I go to, I go to, um, the PI to... 'Cause Dana tells me I can't go to 55, so I go to talk to the PI-

    22. JR

      He told you you can't go? Why?

    23. DC

      Well, 'cause he says I'm, I'm getting old and older. Well, I should say he said old. I'm getting old. And he's worried-

    24. JR

      The weight cut's too hard.

    25. DC

      ... the weight cut, right? So I said, "All right. I'm gonna go to the, to the PI. You guys have this amazing facility with..."

    26. JR

      The PI stands for Performance Institute, if people don't know.

    27. DC

      Yeah. For some... There you go.

    28. JR

      UFC Performance Institute.

    29. DC

      And, uh, they have trainers and dietician, nutrition, right? So I'm, I'm going there to meet with them to get a, a guideline and some kind of plan that we can attack so I can go to Dana, like, "Look, I met with your guys. They said it's okay." While I'm there, second day into all this, like, crazy testing you do, right? They have all kinds of tests that they run where you get on these bikes and... I mean, like, fuck, I was at like a Olympic training center (laughs) testing. Um, uh, I wanted to say Joe Silva walked in, but then that's not right 'cause he's not there anymore. So, uh...

    30. JR

      Nick Maynard?

  2. 2:58 – 8:19

    The Jackson-Wink split: why Cowboy says he was pushed out over money and loyalty

    1. JR

      Well, what was, what was gonna happen was Jackson and Winkeljohn were supposed to be here today.

    2. DC

      Right.

    3. JR

      But you had... I mean, you've been with them for how long?

    4. DC

      Man, I wanna say before my WC days. So I went on the-

    5. JR

      More than 10 years.

    6. DC

      Yeah, easily.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. DC

      Easily more than 10 years. I, I, I don't think there's another athlete there that's been there longer b- besides Diego Sanchez who's been there since the beginning, but-

    9. JR

      Diego left for a little while.

    10. DC

      ... left for a little while, came back, um-

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. DC

      So me, you know, Holly, but she was with Wink before he, they merged. So, but, like, with actually Jackson, Jackson, I'm, like, there. I'm like the one.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. DC

      I'm like it.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. DC

      You know, everyone else kind of either left the gym or is retired.

    17. JR

      So what the fuck happened? Like how, how did they decide that they were gonna corner Mike Perry? Who, by the way, I like a lot. Uh, there's noth-

    18. DC

      And I got noth-... and I have nothing against to say-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DC

      ... Perry either. I don't... This, this, this has nothing to do with, with Perry as a-

    21. JR

      He's fun dude. I like that guy a lot.

    22. DC

      Yeah. So I-

    23. JR

      I have no problem with him.

    24. DC

      I mean, I took him on the boat, took him shooting with me and when he was down there part of, part of the action, you know, uh, Frank Lester, who's helping him with his pads, friend of mine, you know, so he comes out shooting with me, we go out in the boat and have fun, and, um... So this has nothing to do with them. I just asked when... I went to go to 55 and then Perry called me out and wants to fight. "Sure, no problem." But I went to talk to Greg and Wink and say, "Hey, this guy's brand new to the gym." Right? "He's only been here one camp, couple of months." I said, "I don't think that it's okay for him to come in and call me out." Like, that's not, not, not right. So if he is doing that, I don't think we should allow him to, to train here for this fight. And fucking Winkeljohn tells me, "Yeah, you know, I thought you called him out and, oh, he's just a, just a shit ass and lies, like, to your face." So to me he was like, "Yeah, sure, no problem. I'll clear it up and we won't have any issues." Um, and then the next day he calls me on the phone and says, "You know what? Uh, I thought about it. If we don't have Perry, then I don't get paid and I need to get paid for this fight and, uh, uh, 'cause you just pay Greg. I don't make any money through the gym, so we're just gonna go with him." And then basically he tells me I'm no longer welcome in the gym (laughs) and he is. He said the team had a meeting. Bullshit, the team didn't have a meeting. I talked to everybody. The, the... I mean, there was no meeting, there was no hab-... So to me it's like the loyalty of Wink taking over this gym is just, is just shit, man. Turned into, like, a puppy mill. It's all, it's all about money now and not the old Jackson. When, when I used to work out... We're just getting into this, I guess, huh? All right.

    25. JR

      Start chugging.

    26. DC

      Start chugging. Shit. Back when I first moved down here and I went to Greg's when the Tapout guys picked me up and introduced me and all that, right?

    27. JR

      Back when you were on the Tapout show. Remember that-

    28. DC

      Show, yeah.

    29. JR

      ... that, uh, reality show?

    30. DC

      Well, Mask called Greg and got me. That's how I, I got involved with them, right? I... (laughs) All right.

  3. 8:19 – 16:51

    “Puppy mill” gym culture: open-door sparring, unsafe intensity, and coaching quality complaints

    1. DC

      to a pro class. Like, like, some guy couldn't just come here and knock on your door. Like you say, you get weirdos here all the time. Next thing you know, he has shin pads on and he's sparring. There's literally, at the new gym, bums coming off the street, I swear to God, and will fight these... And, will come in to put stuff on a fight. That's a true story. Random bums off the street. And, uh, that would never happen back in the day.

    2. JR

      So Greg doesn't run it anymore?

    3. DC

      No. He has... He's, like, so out of the loop. Winkle John runs the entire thing. And that's what-

    4. JR

      What is, what is Greg doing?

    5. DC

      He kinda stepped back for a couple of years, man. Like, kinda started doing other things and just kinda got burned out, I guess. Which is why I created the BMF Ranch. I needed somewhere to go and something to do, so I created my own place. Which is Wink's argument with me right now, saying, "You be at your old place. You don't ever come here," blah, blah, blah. I said, "Well, I don't ever come here because you just... The people you let in here is outlandish." Like, anybody... You pay $150, you can get on the mats and, and spar with Holly Holmes. You know what I mean? That's, that's what it's, it's come to down there. And back in the day, it was, like, private and just us and good pros, everyone there for the same mission, trying to, trying to get better, you know? But-

    6. JR

      I've talked to some other people that I, I don't wanna name.

    7. DC

      Sure.

    8. JR

      But they've said that, that when they go down there, new guys will come in and it's literally a fight.

    9. DC

      It is a fight. It's... Uh, there's no, there's no, there's no A, B, C class anymore. It's like, literally, these guys come in, they wanna make a name on you. But sometimes when you're towards the end of a c- a fight camp, you don't need those new guy. You don't need that crazy sparring.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. DC

      Right?

    12. JR

      Right.

    13. DC

      You need, you need the guys you trust. And-

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. DC

      Not some random guy I don't know.

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. DC

      So it's just, it's, it's asinine to me, man, what, what they've turned that place into.

    18. JR

      Well, it's crazy that that still happens in MMA, because you're never gonna find that in boxing.

    19. DC

      No.

    20. JR

      In boxing, all sparring is controlled.

    21. DC

      Controlled.

    22. JR

      You bring in the sparring partners. You know who you're working with.

    23. DC

      So, I mean, we talk loyalty again. To me, with Greg, his name is on that building. It's not... It's Wink. Jackson Wink, right? Jackson fucking Wink. Your name's first even. When it came time to, to pick the decision and they said, "We wanna go with Perry," why the fuck didn't you stand... Because Greg's still with me. He's like, "Yeah, I'll just come to the ranch and we'll sort this out." And I'm like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. DC

      You tell me I can't come into the Jackson Wink gym, but you're gonna backdoor and come to my fucking house and we're gonna train to fight me while Perry is there at the gym. You see everything he does. And then you're gonna come and you're gonna train me. Not to mention you're holding classes there and he's watch... I mean, you might not be training him to beat me, but there's a lot of people there that have trained with me for fucking years. So to me, that was the, the point I was saying like, "Man, can we just not have him there for this camp?" I mean, there's a lot of secrets, um, that I... That, like, inner secrets that I have, like, you know, I'm f- I'm fucking scared to death to fight. Like, that's... That's the thing he can... That they can tell him. Like, or they tell him, "You know, go get Cowboy mad. You know, that's... He doesn't fight well when he's pissed off. So fucking piss him off. Poke at him, poke the bear, piss him off. Get him out of his element. Give him the..." You know? Shit like this, that-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DC

      Right?

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. DC

      So... And there's a lot of other things, small, dumb things that I do. And-

    30. JR

      Tendencies-

  4. 16:51 – 17:42

    BMF Ranch training setup: building his own camp, needing direction, and living rural New Mexico

    1. JR

      So the way you were doing is that you have the BMF Ranch-

    2. DC

      Correct.

    3. JR

      You have everything set up. You bring in all your sparring partners and you would be doing all your training out there. And how would Greg interact with that?

    4. DC

      He would, he would, he... We'd either show up down at Jackson's and spar, because they still have got... There's still bodies down there, right?

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. DC

      There's still guys. We'd show up down at his bar, we'd bring all the guys down. Or Greg would come up, you know, three or four times a week to the ranch and we'd just-

    7. JR

      And how far is your ranch from-

    8. DC

      50 miles about.

    9. JR

      Okay.

    10. DC

      Yeah, a good hour. Solid hour drive (laughs) into the vast Nolans of New Mexico.

    11. JR

      New Mexico. Yeah.

    12. DC

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      Do you like living out there?

    14. DC

      I do. I love it. I fucking love it. So I sold my house. I moved here. I fucking planted roots. Now, I could never, ever sell my place. I'm stuck in New Mexico. I'm moving back to Colorado. I'ma buy-

    15. JR

      Why would you never sell it?

    16. DC

      Because I'd have to sell it to like a crazy cult leader. So if anybody out there-

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. DC

      ... listening wants to operate a cult, I have the-

    19. JR

      Are you talking to one right now?

    20. DC

      I have the, I have the perfect house.

  5. 17:42 – 21:48

    Ranch life, wildlife talk, and the Copenhagen chew lesson

    1. JR

      Talk to me about what kind of acreage are you talking about?

    2. DC

      Yeah. Well, I got 40 acres.

    3. JR

      What do we got here?

    4. DC

      40 acres. Plenty of rooms, buildings.

    5. JR

      Go ahead. What kind of animals are in your vicinity?

    6. DC

      Um... Oh, well.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DC

      Yeah. You-

    9. JR

      This might be where we start.

    10. DC

      There's, there's... About an hour drive, you can run into some elk.

    11. JR

      Mm.

    12. DC

      We have, uh, we got antelope, um, everywhere. Which is crazy thing about antelope, but do you know they don't jump fences?

    13. JR

      Yeah, they won't jump fences.

    14. DC

      It's crazy, right? You can just literally corner them into a-

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. DC

      ... into a, into a, you know-

    17. JR

      They occasionally jump a fence. They've been known to jump a fence occasionally, but it's very, very rare.You know they evolved, um, before the Ice Age? They evolved to get away from cheetahs. Apparently-

    18. DC

      How are you so smart? That's what I want to know.

    19. JR

      (laughs) I'm not smart. I just remember things.

    20. DC

      Dude is fucking insane.

    21. JR

      There was a, uh, a mass extinction of, uh, giant land mammals, it was somewhere around 12,000 years ago in North America. And before then, there was cheetahs. There was actual North American cheetahs.

    22. DC

      Right.

    23. JR

      There was a North American lion that's bigger than the African lion. How about that shit? Giant ass fucking lion. And that's where these fucking things evolved.

    24. DC

      Did you want another chew of this? (laughs)

    25. JR

      Yeah, I'm gonna try that shit. I swallowed it last time.

    26. DC

      That's the only... That's the main... Whenever I meet people for autographs, they're like, "Dude, I can't believe you got Rogan to fucking take a chew."

    27. JR

      I did not just take it. I swallowed it. I didn't know what I was doing.

    28. DC

      Like a man.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. DC

      All right. Round two. Here we go.

  6. 21:48 – 29:12

    Loyalty lessons from family and the emotional fallout from the gym situation

    1. DC

      I fucking love it. So yeah, um, greatest dude, man. Taught me a lot. Taught me a lot about loyalty and respect, man. And, and I called my grandma on my way here today, and I said, "I'm gonna fucking set fire to this bridge to Jackson's," and she wrote me back and said, "Well, you need to, like... Are you attacking them logically, or are you out of anger? Which, which direction are we going here?"

    2. JR

      Powerful, Grandma.

    3. DC

      Right?

    4. JR

      On the ball.

    5. DC

      Which direction are we going?

    6. JR

      Good way of thinking.

    7. DC

      And, uh, she said-

    8. JR

      I should probably start spitting soon, huh?

    9. DC

      (laughs) Yeah, you gotta, you definitely gotta spit.

    10. JR

      I didn't spit all last time.

    11. DC

      She said, "Make sure... You know, always in life, don't ever paint yourself into a corner." Like, these are major lessons she always gave me. "Don't burn bridges you can't cross."

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. DC

      But she told me today, "Fucking let it go. Let them have it." They, they, they want to step across the line. They drew the line in the sand. Let them want to burn their own... Make them feel so bad they want to burn their own fucking gym to the ground, you know?

    14. JR

      Mm.

    15. DC

      It's like, to me, having the moment for Greg to say, "You know what, Wink? My name's on this fucking gym. Cowboy's been with me from the start." There's been times two or three camps ago where I've trained Greg maybe one or two times, and I still write him a check. I still write him a check, and I pay him because he got me into this motherfucker, and loyalty to me is the, the top, top of the line thing, right?

    16. JR

      It's top of the m- line to me too. That's why you're here.

    17. DC

      Right.

    18. JR

      And that's why they're not.

    19. DC

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      And, you know, and it's unfortunate because I liked Greg a lot, and I, and I respect-

    21. DC

      I love Greg.

    22. JR

      I don't know much about Winkeljohn other than his work-

    23. DC

      Right.

    24. JR

      ... what he's done with Holly and a lot of other people. And, uh, I was real torn up about this. That's why I contacted you.

    25. DC

      Sure, sure.

    26. JR

      You know, when y- when you told me that they were gonna-

    27. DC

      This is, like, a crazy scenario all around for everybody across the board. Like, wait, what are you... Like, what? What the fuck you mean? What's happening here?

    28. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    29. DC

      You know, and... It's, it's, it's crazy. It's wild. I appreciate you sticking by my side. Um-

    30. JR

      Well, it was a, it was a situation where I didn't know what to do.

  7. 29:12 – 34:33

    Vegas, Monster conference, and Cowboy’s surprise breakdancing battle

    1. DC

      Man. Fucking Vegas, man. Vegas is definitely a two night town, man. It's-

    2. JR

      Yeah. It's rough on the liver.

    3. DC

      It's rough on everything. Just... It just takes you-

    4. JR

      (laughs) The soul.

    5. DC

      It takes you the fuck in, man.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DC

      I was just there last night. I was out there for a big Monster conference and it's just like, you, you sit in your room and you're like, "Well, I could just go down and, uh, gamble, I guess." And then you start gambling. Have you ever played Baccarat?

    8. JR

      I don't play shit.

    9. DC

      I have never either and I decided we, we tried Baccarat. Like 007. I was like, "We'll be like 007. We'll go in there." I played with, with one of the higher ups in Monster and he took us down there and we played this game and, uh... Fuck, we won a shitload of money. A shitload of money. There was like five-

    10. JR

      That's the trick.

    11. DC

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      You want some of this?

    13. DC

      Yeah, I'll take some of that. I don't really smoke much pot, but-

    14. JR

      Let's see.

    15. DC

      ... I'll do it just so I'm with you.

    16. JR

      Take care with that.

    17. DC

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      That stuff is... That they grew that on the moon.

    19. NA

      I saw a video of him breakdancing the other night.

    20. DC

      You breakdance?

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. DC

      I do. I used to. I used to really breakdance.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DC

      So I'm at the Monster conference...

    25. NA

      Did we lose the glass top?

    26. DC

      I'm at the Monster conference and, um, Monster now has a breakdancing team.

    27. JR

      (laughs) They're what?

    28. DC

      Yes.

    29. JR

      Monster got me some badass bags, man.

    30. DC

      Yeah.

  8. 34:33 – 35:28

    Social media negativity and why online criticism gets under Cowboy’s skin

    1. DC

      Crazy (laughs) t... And not only, not only do we get to watch, but we also get the shit-ass guy in his basement that gets to talk shit about that.

    2. JR

      Yeah, there's a little bit of that.

    3. DC

      A lot... There's a lot of it, that-

    4. JR

      You can't pay attention to that, cowboy.

    5. DC

      I, I... It, it burns my soul.

    6. JR

      Yeah, but you're too good to pay attention to that.

    7. DC

      I, I hate... I wish I was too good to say that. But I, I get... It's just like if I was coming here, and someone out in the parking lot said something to me, I'd say, "What the fuck?"

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. DC

      "What the fuck are you talking to like that?" You know? Like, we'd have-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. DC

      ... it'd be a moment there, yeah.

    12. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    13. DC

      Yeah, so-

    14. JR

      For sure.

    15. DC

      ... that's, that's how I still feel today. But, um-

    16. JR

      Well, that's why you're a cowboy.

    17. DC

      Yeah, true.

    18. JR

      That's why you're who you are.

    19. DC

      True.

    20. JR

      You know what'll help you a little bit with this?

    21. DC

      Yes.

    22. JR

      A little of that new mood?

    23. DC

      New mood, the- the super new mood.

    24. JR

      Get you some of this super new mood.

    25. DC

      The super new mood. The super new mood.

    26. JR

      (laughs) Get you some of the real new mood.

    27. DC

      That's it. That's a gift from me to you.

    28. JR

      Thanks, sir. Appreciate it, brother.

    29. DC

      I'm, I'm glad you enjoyed that. Yeah.

    30. JR

      Yeah, man.

  9. 35:28 – 52:48

    Cowboy’s first psychedelic: Aubrey Marcus DMT ceremony and the vivid two-trip experience

    1. DC

      So you speaking about DMT. I'm... Okay, let, let me... Let's back it up one more.

    2. JR

      One more. Beep.

    3. DC

      I've never done any drugs in my entire life, ever.

    4. JR

      You did a lot of drugs in here already. I did nicotine, you did alcohol.

    5. DC

      I did... We're back, uh, we're backed up. Remember, we're backed up.

    6. JR

      Scooch.

    7. DC

      I've never done any drug ever. Never, ever.

    8. JR

      What year was this?

    9. DC

      Two years ago.

    10. JR

      Oh, you did booze.

    11. DC

      Well, I don't... That's a... That's legal.

    12. JR

      Oh, legal.

    13. DC

      Legal drugs.

    14. JR

      The law.

    15. DC

      Oh, duh.

    16. JR

      Oh, it's under the law.

    17. DC

      Um...

    18. JR

      You're a product of drugs.

    19. DC

      I am a product of drugs. Very-

    20. JR

      This is not a bad drug.

    21. DC

      ... pharmaceutical drugs, right?

    22. JR

      Budweiser's a fantastic drug. It's made for great jokes, fun times, right?

    23. DC

      I love it.

    24. JR

      How many fucking good times-

    25. DC

      Hey.

    26. JR

      ... have people had because of Budweiser?

    27. DC

      God bless you, Budweiser. Salud. So-

    28. JR

      It's a good drug.

    29. DC

      I've never, I've never-

    30. JR

      Well-regulated. You know, you know what one bottle does. That's what I like.

  10. 52:48 – 1:03:48

    Parenthood and competitiveness: raising ‘Danger’ and rejecting participation-trophy culture

    1. DC

      And I just had a baby boy and I can't wait to stand on the sidelines of these soccer games and-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DC

      ... football games. And I can't wait to show up to fucking track day and I'm bringing fucking medals and trophies because my kid's not getting a fucking participation ribbon.

    4. JR

      Ah.

    5. DC

      He's here to win. Right? We're, we... When do we draw the line back of, of... You don't just, just because you are weaker, you, you get a participation ribbon? There's no more competition and, and-

    6. JR

      Well, there's no understanding of psychology. You can't protect people from bad feelings like losing. Those... That's what propels you.

    7. DC

      And-

    8. JR

      That's what makes you better.

    9. DC

      ... that's what we're... that's what they're doing. So-

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DC

      ... you're telling me if my kid's an awesome, awesome football player and he's on the team running touchdowns, he has to sit the bench because Tommy didn't get enough time to play? And not only that, Tommy, you're his weak ass dad who fucking secretly emails the coach behind my back?

    12. JR

      Ah.

    13. DC

      Oh. You know what I mean?

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. DC

      Like that shit to me... What the fuck?

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DC

      So, I, I can't-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DC

      I'm so excited to, to, to join this new, new journey of-

    20. JR

      Parenthood.

    21. DC

      ... parenthood. It's so-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. DC

      ... crazy, man, these kids. And-

    24. JR

      This is not all parents though. You know, some parents realize how stupid it is. There's parents out there just like you.

    25. DC

      Sure.

    26. JR

      They're just like, "This is ridiculous."

    27. DC

      Ridiculous.

    28. JR

      Like kids have gotta... This is a guy that's, uh, his, his daughter goes to school with, uh, my daughter and, uh, I always gravitate towards him 'cause he got a neck tattoo.

    29. DC

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Like immediately I'm like, "Anybody-

  11. 1:03:48 – 1:08:09

    The ‘high’ of fighting and the fantasy of future medicine that erases permanent damage

    1. JR

      You know what I mean? And learn about yourself that you can overcome, that you can make mistakes and fail, and then try it again and succeed. And then what ... The, the bad feelings that you get, like, when you're worried about losing, you know?

    2. DC

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And these, these, these fears. It's because winning is so high, man. I've seen you win so many times. I've called so many of your fights. And, you know, I look right in your eyes whenever you win, and there's-

    4. DC

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... this psycho... Like, "This dude's on fire right now."

    6. DC

      I love it.

    7. JR

      He's just like-

    8. DC

      There's no other ... I c- I couldn't even explain to you that feeling, because-

    9. JR

      No one can.

    10. DC

      ... nobody can.

    11. JR

      No one can.

    12. DC

      It is like-

    13. JR

      You have to do it.

    14. DC

      Other than, "Fuck! Fuck yeah!" Right? Like, that's-

    15. JR

      Right. (laughs)

    16. DC

      ... the, "Fuck yeah!" That's the feeling.

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. DC

      You know what I mean? Like, that's-

    19. JR

      But it's "fuck yeah" times like a million.

    20. DC

      Woo.

    21. JR

      You know?

    22. DC

      You know? And, and, God, it's, it's the highest highs, man.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DC

      It's just insane how, how cool it feels. Um-

    25. JR

      I've seen, like ... W- with you particularly, like, KOs.

    26. DC

      Right.

    27. JR

      Like, there's something about KOs when you just crack someone and then it's over, and then you're, you're walking around and like-

    28. DC

      (sighs)

    29. JR

      You're, you're like glowing. Like-

    30. DC

      (laughs)

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