At a glance
WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Rogan and Edwards Breakdown Wilder-Fury, MMA Judging, and PFL
- Joe Rogan and former UFC fighter Yves Edwards dive deep into recent combat sports events, starting with Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury and the controversy over the long count. They contrast boxing’s history and power punchers with modern MMA, debating flawed scoring systems, weight cutting, and matchmaking decisions like Holloway–Ortega and Woodley’s contenders. The conversation highlights the rise of organizations like PFL and ONE, arguing that world-class talent now exists outside the UFC. They close on Edwards’ personal journey—his father’s extraordinary limbo performances, his new martial-arts-themed children’s book, and his work on PFL’s million‑dollar tournament format.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasThe Wilder–Fury draw shows how human error and boxing rules shape outcomes.
Rogan and Edwards agree Fury was down more than 10 seconds, but note that referees don’t have stopwatches and fighters time their recovery off the count, raising questions about consistency in critical moments.
Raw knockout power is mostly innate, but good technique amplifies it.
They compare Wilder, Tyson, Rumble Johnson, and others, arguing that bone structure, explosive musculature, and natural leverage create freakish power that training can sharpen but not fully manufacture.
The 10‑point must system is poorly suited to MMA and should be replaced.
They criticize using a boxing-derived system for a multi‑discipline sport, preferring Pride’s ‘fight as a whole’ approach or half‑point systems that better reward overall damage, late surges, and grappling impact.
Weight-cutting is damaging careers and demands structural change in divisions.
Using Max Holloway’s health scares and huge lightweights like Kevin Lee as examples, they push for adding a 165 lb class and shifting welterweight to 175, with more 10‑lb increments to reduce extreme cuts.
Elite talent is now spread across PFL, Bellator, ONE, and not just the UFC.
Names like Vinny Magalhães, Ray Cooper III, Ryan Bader, and Ben Askren show that world‑class fighters can compete outside the UFC, with formats like PFL’s season and $1M finals creating real alternatives.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotes“That was Rocky I. It was Rocky I… Nobody won.”
— Joe Rogan (on Wilder vs. Fury)
“There are guys who are great hammers and not such good nails. You gotta be able to take them both.”
— Yves Edwards
“I fucking hate the ten‑point must, especially for MMA. You’ve got five‑minute rounds and you’re only using ten points—why?”
— Joe Rogan
“For a person like you or me, I want to see what works.”
— Yves Edwards (on grapplers like Ben Askren)
“When you see that million dollars is real, that’s gonna change everything.”
— Yves Edwards (on PFL’s format)
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