JRE MMA Show #50 with Yves Edwards

1. 0:00 – 0:41

   Cold open banter: shirts, smiley faces, and “graffitiing the moon”

   1. YEYves Edwards0:00

      Powerful job.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Here we go, four, three, two... Hello, E-Valence Woods. What's going on, my friend?

   3. YEYves Edwards0:11

      Not much, my man. It's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      What is that shirt? What is it, uh, a moon smiley face?

   5. YEYves Edwards0:14

      Yeah, graffitiing the moon.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Oh.

   7. YEYves Edwards0:17

      You know me and my smiley faces.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah. People would graffiti the moon if they get up there.

   9. YEYves Edwards0:20

      If they could, right? (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       That's probably the first thing they're gonna have to worry about, these Virgin flights they're planning on going there.

   11. YEYves Edwards0:24

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       People leaving some shit that you can see from earth, you know?

   13. YEYves Edwards0:28

       Yeah. Pissing everywhere.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Dude, so much to talk about, so much going on.

   15. YEYves Edwards0:32

       Yeah. There's, there's a lot going on in the world of MMA, in the world of Jujitsu.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah. Your world, MMA, even boxing. There's a lot of, a lot of shit going on in boxing.

   17. YEYves Edwards0:41

       Yeah.

2. 0:41 – 2:07

   Wilder vs. Fury knockdown controversy: the 10-count and referee timing

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:41

      Looks like we're gonna get Beon- Deontay Wilder. On, uh-

   2. YEYves Edwards0:44

      Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:44

      ... Monday, he's gonna be in here.

   4. YEYves Edwards0:45

      Oh, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:46

      Yeah. He's, uh, he's saying... Did you see the video on his, uh, uh, Instagram? He shows that it's more than 10 seconds.

   6. YEYves Edwards0:52

      10 seconds? Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:53

      Yeah, it is. It's a fact. And he plays the clock. As soon as Tyson Fury goes down, then it's more than 10 seconds before he gets back up.

   8. YEYves Edwards1:00

      The only problem with that is, I mean, it's human error, right? You can't-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:04

      Yeah.

   10. YEYves Edwards1:04

       You can't start immediately.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Right.

   12. YEYves Edwards1:06

       You know? There's, there's always that little, that little space of time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Isn't there supposed to be a guy on the sideline, though, that starts the count?

   14. YEYves Edwards1:11

       You're right, yeah. Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       And then he picks it up with, "Five, four..."

   16. YEYves Edwards1:14

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Yeah. But the re- problem is referees, you know, when they're in the heat of the battle, the fucking adrenaline, their seconds... It's not like they have a stopwatch in their hand, they hit it every time a guy goes down, which why don't they have?

   18. YEYves Edwards1:29

       Proba- it's too much to remember. We were just talking about-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       I guess.

   20. YEYves Edwards1:31

       ... the heat of the moment.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Boom, click. Is that too much to remember? I mean, think about all the shit Tyson Fury has to remember.

   22. YEYves Edwards1:39

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       You know?

   24. YEYves Edwards1:40

       That's all instinct, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Yeah.

   26. YEYves Edwards1:43

       But Fury... I mean, that fight, I wanted... Of course, I'm, I'm, I'm rooting for Wilder, 'cause I like, I like big knockouts. You know what I mean?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   28. YEYves Edwards1:51

       And, um, he looked good in the first two rounds and then he just looked like he abandoned the, the game plan and he was just looking for the knockout after that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       Well, he, he's got a problem. The problem is, he can knock anybody the fuck out. That's a problem.

   30. YEYves Edwards2:05

       Anybody except that guy.
3. 2:07 – 3:40

   Fury’s “zombie” rise and Wilder’s walk-off celebration moment

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:07

      It seems like he almost knocked him out. Like-

   2. YEYves Edwards2:10

      He knocked him out.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      Yeah.

   4. YEYves Edwards2:12

      He was out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      If it wasn't... I mean, he definitely ma- did 10. He was definitely down for 10. But here's the thing. If the referee, instead of saying eight, said seven, instead of saying six, said five, would he have gotten up quicker? I think he probably would've. 'Cause he's waiting for eight, nine, and then he's standing up. 'Cause he's trying to give himself... He's an old vet. He's trying to give himself as much recovery time as he can.

   6. YEYves Edwards2:33

      I don't know. When I watch, when I watch him getting up, I look at that, that replay, and you see his head, like his head comes up like he's trying to get up and he can't.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      Yeah.

   8. YEYves Edwards2:40

      And then he just, like, stands up like a zombie. I, I think that's some gypsy shit, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      (laughs)

   10. YEYves Edwards2:44

       It's like... That's scary.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       Well, I did not expect him to get up. Um, I was watching-

   12. YEYves Edwards2:50

       I was celebrating.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       ... the fight. Y- were you?

   14. YEYves Edwards2:52

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       (laughs) So it was... I was with my uncle, "Yeah! Fuck yeah, yeah!"

   16. YEYves Edwards2:56

       He's out.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       Wilder was celebrating too. The thing was, like, when he went down, I went, "Oh, shit, I can't believe he knocked him out in the 12th like that." And it was the left hook going down that was the craziest.

   18. YEYves Edwards3:07

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       It was boom, the right hand, then bang, the left hook going down. It was so insane.

   20. YEYves Edwards3:12

       And he walked off.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       Yeah.

   22. YEYves Edwards3:14

       It was a walk-off-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       He was dancing.

   24. YEYves Edwards3:15

       It was a walk-off knockout. And he was dancing and he was pointing to his woman in the audience and she was saying, "I love you." And he was like... The whole thing was a celebratory moment. And then the look on his face when he realized that Tyson Fury had gotten up, like, "What?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       Yeah.

   26. YEYves Edwards3:29

       You know, you know what that is? Remember, remember the '80s and '90s, um, the Friday the 13th movies?

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Yeah.

   28. YEYves Edwards3:34

       When you kill Jason?

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       Yeah.

   30. YEYves Edwards3:35

       And then you turn around, it's like, "Oh shit, that motherfucker's still here."
4. 3:40 – 5:36

   Why some fighters hit different: natural power vs. technique

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:40

      How does Wilder punch so hard? As a man who studied martial arts his whole life, like, there's some dudes, right? Don't you think?

   2. YEYves Edwards3:48

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      That just, they have some freak thing.

   4. YEYves Edwards3:49

      That explosive power, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:51

      But it's crazy how much he's get... He's only 212 pounds.

   6. YEYves Edwards3:54

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      That's the crazy thing. It's like, he's very small for a heavyweight. Like, a lot of these guys, 250.

   8. YEYves Edwards3:59

      Remember, remember a guy named Mike Tyson?

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      Oh, yeah. He was, like, in the 215s, right?

   10. YEYves Edwards4:02

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       He was, like, 215.

   12. YEYves Edwards4:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       Yeah. Not much different.

   14. YEYves Edwards4:05

       And he hits like a truck. I don't, I don't know how... I mean, I didn't have that kind of power. My, my knockoffs were from, like, stuff you didn't see.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Technique. Yeah.

   16. YEYves Edwards4:12

       You know? And quickness. But, like, a guy like Jeremy Stephens-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       Yeah.

   18. YEYves Edwards4:16

       ... hits like that, you know? Melvin Guillard had that kind of power.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Yeah.

   20. YEYves Edwards4:18

       It's, it's... I don't... How do you develop... I don't know if you could develop that. I think that's a natural thing.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       Yeah, Rumble Johnson-type power.

   22. YEYves Edwards4:24

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Yeah.

   24. YEYves Edwards4:25

       Yes. That's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       I don't think you can develop that.

   26. YEYves Edwards4:26

       I don't think so, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       I think you can accentuate it. I think if a guy hits hard with better technique he can hit harder. I think it's a bone structure thing. I mean, it's like, if you look at, uh, Deontay, he's kinda built like a gigantic Tommy Hearns.

   28. YEYves Edwards4:40

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       You know?

   30. YEYves Edwards4:41

       Yeah.
5. 5:36 – 10:29

   The perfect heavyweight story: Fury’s comeback arc and why the draw felt right

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      Right. Well, you know what? I feel like that's a p- that was a perfect boxing match, because you have, in Tyson Fury... First of all, you have this guy that overcame depression and suicidal thoughts and, you know, drug addiction and, and alcoholism. I mean, he was just-

   2. YEYves Edwards5:52

      Obesity.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      Yeah, he was living in a world of depression. He was just drinking constantly and doing coke and fucking his life up, and then loses more than 100 pounds, cleans himself up, gets in there against the scariest guy in the heavyweight division, and puts on a boxing clinic. However, he still gets clipped. He still gets clipped not once, but twice, hard, and dropped hard, especially in the 12th round. So i- it's like, for a person who loves watching fights, it's such a perfect fight, because you've got s-... First of all, they're both great guys. Like, like, both guys, like, you c- e- if you're a fan of, like-... exceptional human beings. Both guys are great guys.

   4. YEYves Edwards6:33

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      Like the more I see Deontay Wilder interact with his family, talk about things, talk about the way he approaches fighting, the more I appreciate what he's doing, you know? And then Tyson Fury, how do you not love the guy? And the way they exchanged like pleasantries after the fight was over, and Tyson was telling him he loved him and he kissed his fucking fist.

   6. YEYves Edwards6:50

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      I mean-

   8. YEYves Edwards6:51

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      ... it's like you, it was like great all around, a great feeling after. Even though it was a draw, it was like, I felt good about it.

   10. YEYves Edwards6:56

       That was Rocky I.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       It was Rocky I.

   12. YEYves Edwards6:59

       That's what that was.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       It was Rocky I.

   14. YEYves Edwards7:00

       Right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       It was Rocky I. Sort of, right? But it wasn't the slugger that won, you know? I mean, what it was, was just a great-

   16. YEYves Edwards7:08

       But nobody won.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Nobody won.

   18. YEYves Edwards7:09

       For, in Rocky I, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       The first one, yeah.

   20. YEYves Edwards7:11

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       It was a great, great boxing match. That's what it was. It was like it had all the good elements.

   22. YEYves Edwards7:18

       It was the best heavyweight fight I've seen in a long time. I mean, them, that might have been better than, than Holyfield-Tyson.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       (inhales deeply) That's hard to say because-

   24. YEYves Edwards7:27

       I know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       ... Holyfield was like the good guy coming in against the bad guy. Like there was so much to that fight. And then with Tyson, like you thought he was invincible, and then Holyfield just eating his shots and slowly beating him down, and then eventually stops him. I don't know, man.

   26. YEYves Edwards7:44

       I think it's the ear bitten. Was it a bite?

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       No, that was the second fight.

   28. YEYves Edwards7:46

       The second one, right? Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       The second fight, yeah. Yeah, that was uh, it was uh, it was one of the best... I'll tell you what though, man. Anthony Joshua versus Klitschko was one of the best in a long time before that.

   30. YEYves Edwards7:56

       Yeah.
6. 10:29 – 14:04

   Best fights ever and the cost of punishment: Chavez–Taylor and MMA parallels

   1. YEYves Edwards10:29

      What was the best, be- what's the best boxing fight you can remember watching in your lifetime live? Not, not in person, but just watching it as it happens?

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      Wow, that's a good question. I think Julio Cesar Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor.

   3. YEYves Edwards10:45

      ... Meldrick Taylor. I, a lot of people say that. I didn't watch that one live.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:48

      Oh, 'cause Taylor was so good.

   5. YEYves Edwards10:50

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:50

      He was so fast, and he was winning up until the 12th round. And Chavez just kept the pressure, kept the pressure, kept the pressure, kept the pressure, and then eventually, crack, crack. He hit some of the big right hand in the 12th round and you see Meldrick is just beaten down. The downside of that fight-

   7. YEYves Edwards11:08

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:08

      ... is Meldrick Taylor was never the same again.

   9. YEYves Edwards11:10

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       That was one beating that just, he c- he crossed over beyond the pale.

   11. YEYves Edwards11:16

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       He went to the dark lands. It's just not good after that fight.

   13. YEYves Edwards11:19

       So what, what do you think if, um, was it Richard Steele who was the ref?

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       I think it was.

   15. YEYves Edwards11:24

       So, Steele doesn't start that fight in, in, in the, those last seconds, and Meldrick Taylor wins on the cards.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Mm-hmm.

   17. YEYves Edwards11:32

       Then, then what happens? Is there a rematch? And does he look the same as he, like was he the same guy after that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       I think if he has a rematch-

   19. YEYves Edwards11:40

       If he wins?

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       ... he's done. He's done no matter what.

   21. YEYves Edwards11:43

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       I mean, remember when Terry Norris knocked him out after that?

   23. YEYves Edwards11:45

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       He just did not look like he could take a punch anymore.

   25. YEYves Edwards11:48

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       That fight was so brutal. If you watch that fight again, Chavez just constantly raking his body and clipping him, but Meldrick was just so fast and so skillful, like his movement and his speed, but Chavez was just relentless.

   27. YEYves Edwards12:02

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       It was a great fight.

   29. YEYves Edwards12:04

       It was a great fight.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       But-
7. 14:04 – 35:53

   Judging and scoring: why the 10-point must system fails MMA

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      The thing about, like, the Wilder fight, like, someone said to me, like, "Oh, the, the scorecards are all fucked up. Tyson Fury should've won." He, maybe, yes. Maybe, I see what you're saying, if you're looking at it in terms of, like, that. But as a, a person who knows what a fight is, b- Wilder clearly won the fight. If it was a fight.

   2. YEYves Edwards14:22

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:22

      Right? Who's getting fucked up, right?

   4. YEYves Edwards14:24

      (laughs) In the schoolyard, Wilder won that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:26

      Yeah. He won, right? And this is the o- the Yoel Romero/Whittaker thing. Who won the fight? Whittaker's getting r- you know, just, he got hit with bombs by Yoel. Yoel hit him with some fucking haymakers. And Whittaker survived, but Whittaker never put Yoel in that same sorta situation-

   6. YEYves Edwards14:42

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      ... where Yoel was staggering around, like, really badly hurt. I mean, Yo- look, Whittaker is a champ. I mean, the, the, the, the, the skills, the heart, the courage, all those things. I mean, he's got everything. He's a champ. But I felt like the, the damage done... I hate the ten-point musts, though.

   8. YEYves Edwards14:58

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:59

      I fucking hate it.

   10. YEYves Edwards14:59

       Especially for MMA.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:00

       Hate it.

   12. YEYves Edwards15:01

       I mean...

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       So stupid. Doesn't make any sense.

   14. YEYves Edwards15:03

       Definitely not.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       You got five-minute rounds, you're only using ten points. Like, w- why? 'Cause it was already there?

   16. YEYves Edwards15:07

       E- exactly.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Huh.

   18. YEYves Edwards15:08

       That's, that's the big thing for me because, I mean, we got aspects of jujitsu, we got aspects of wrestling, we got aspects of striking, boxing, and kickboxing, right? And we're using a rule set from boxing only.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Yeah, only. One set of weapons.

   20. YEYves Edwards15:21

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       That's it.

   22. YEYves Edwards15:22

       And, like, how d- how does that, how does that quantify the take-downs and the, the grappling exchanges? It's...

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Right.

   24. YEYves Edwards15:27

       It's, I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       It's crazy.

   26. YEYves Edwards15:29

       I, I, I disagree. I, I remember there were, they had all these different systems they were trying to work and I feel like at one point, I think Doc Rivers maybe had a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Doc Hamilton.

   28. YEYves Edwards15:37

       Doc Hamilton, sorry.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Yeah, he had a-

   30. YEYves Edwards15:39

       Doc Rivers the basketball player. (laughs)
8. 35:53 – 38:42

   Old legends vs. new killers: Stylebender, Anderson Silva, and matchmaking ethics

   1. YEYves Edwards35:53

      Yeah. I- I wanna see Joe get to the point where he's, um, he's completely comfortable on the ground. He's- he's- he's close to it, but like in two or three years down the road, him and Stylebender.

   2. JRJoe Rogan36:03

      Whoo...

   3. YEYves Edwards36:05

      Right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:07

      Stylebender's a special kind of dude.

   5. YEYves Edwards36:09

      Yeah, he is.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:09

      He's a special kind of dude. That Derek Brunson fight showed it. It's like, this is a special kind of dude.

   7. YEYves Edwards36:14

      I like that kid.

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:15

      Phew.

   9. YEYves Edwards36:15

      He's- he's... Yeah, he's fun to watch, man.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:18

       He's slick.

   11. YEYves Edwards36:19

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:20

       He's slick. He's uh, fighting Anderson next.

   13. YEYves Edwards36:23

       I don't like that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:24

       For Anderson?

   15. YEYves Edwards36:25

       For Anderson.

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       Yeah.

   17. YEYves Edwards36:25

       Yeah. I'm, uh, I don't like these fights where... Like I didn't like Yair and BJ.

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:30

       Right.

   19. YEYves Edwards36:30

       I don't- I don't like these fights where like these guys who've done so much for the game are- are kind of getting fed to the wolves in their- in their twilight years.

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:37

       But every now and then, you get a Shogun-Tyson Pedro fight.

   21. YEYves Edwards36:41

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       Where the fucking old lion roars again, right? Did you see that fight?

   23. YEYves Edwards36:46

       I missed all the UFC fights this weekend-

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       Damn.

   25. YEYves Edwards36:48

       ... because of Bellator and the boxing match.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       Shogun returned from adversity too. He got hit-

   27. YEYves Edwards36:53

       Yeah, I heard about that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       ... hard in that fight. He got staggered and fucked up.

   29. YEYves Edwards36:55

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:55

       And Tyson poured it on, but couldn't keep it up and then Shogun got him to the ground, smashed him up a bit, got him standing up, hit him with a big right hand at the end of the fight, dropped him, and then beat the fuck out of him on the ground. It's like, it was- it was, for me, when I saw that fight announced, Tyson-Pedro versus Shogun, I was like, "Damn, Shogun's got another hard fight." It's hard watching Shogun get knocked down a bunch of times.
9. 38:42 – 42:38

   Broadcast life: travel burnout, Fight Companions, and Yves’ PFL commentary role

   1. YEYves Edwards38:42

      You don't, you don't go overseas, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan38:44

      Not anymore, son.

   3. YEYves Edwards38:46

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan38:46

      No, those would cripple me, man. Those fucking... Those overseas things... There's where he dropped him-

   5. YEYves Edwards38:52

      Oh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan38:52

      ... with the right hand.

   7. YEYves Edwards38:53

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan38:54

      Um, they would, they would wreck me for a week and a half afterwards. I'd be exhausted.

   9. YEYves Edwards38:59

      If you had-

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:59

       Fly to fucking Brazil or fly to, uh, Australia is the worst.

   11. YEYves Edwards39:03

       That's what I was gonna say. I was like, "Brazil, isn't that just like north-south pretty much?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan39:06

       It is, but it's still 16 hours-

   13. YEYves Edwards39:08

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan39:08

       ... on a plane.

   15. YEYves Edwards39:09

       Really?

   16. JRJoe Rogan39:09

       Yeah. Yeah, you gotta fly to Miami, and then you gotta fly 10 more hours to Rio.

   17. YEYves Edwards39:14

       It's 10 hours from Miami to Rio?

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:16

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. YEYves Edwards39:17

       Oh, I didn't realize it was that far.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:18

       Yeah. South America, son.

   21. YEYves Edwards39:21

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:21

       That's a whole nother country. (laughs)

   23. YEYves Edwards39:23

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:23

       That's a different continent. I l- I loved being there, I hated getting there, I hated going home. I hated how I felt afterwards.

   25. YEYves Edwards39:29

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:30

       And I'm just too busy. It's just too m- It's too costly for me financially to take that much time off, and it's also, it's just too hard for me physically, you know?

   27. YEYves Edwards39:38

       So, if they compensated you for the time-

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       No.

   29. YEYves Edwards39:41

       ... and still physically... (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:44

       No.
10. 42:38 – 50:45

    Ortega vs. Holloway preview: elite jiu-jitsu, striking, and weight-cut fears

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:38

       That's it. And, you know, if I was Tyron, I'd take him to the ground. I mean, Uh, Tyron's a far better wrestler, far much, much more experienced. But, like, there's some fights where you're like, "Man, I..." Like, here's one this weekend. Brian Ortega, Max Holloway.

    2. YEYves Edwards42:49

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:50

       Who the fuck knows how that's gonna go? Like, I've, I've bounced that one around my head and people, people have come up to me on the street like, "Hey man, who's gonna win this fight this weekend?" Like, especially Hawaiians.

    4. YEYves Edwards42:59

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:59

       Hawaiians are f- super excited for Max Holloway to win again. I mean, he's the new BJ Penn, right?

    6. YEYves Edwards43:05

       Man.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:05

       He may be a different level, but Max Holloway's a motherfucker.

    8. YEYves Edwards43:09

       That's, that's one of those fights. Yeah, it's very hard to pick. Uh, I, I... Was that even? Like, it's pretty even?

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:15

       It's gotta be. I mean, what, what's see what the Vegas odds are. I... By the way, I love the fact that you can actually gamble on fights now online. Like, it's le- it's legal basically.

    10. YEYves Edwards43:24

        It's legal.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:24

        Right?

    12. YEYves Edwards43:24

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:25

        You kind of do it.Right?

    14. YEYves Edwards43:26

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:26

        If you were a fighter, would you mind on yourself?

    16. YEYves Edwards43:28

        Is that rookie? Depending on the state you're in, yeah, it depends on the state you're in.

    17. SPSpeaker43:29

        Too, too much pressure.

    18. YEYves Edwards43:30

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:30

        I wouldn't wanna think about it.

    20. YEYves Edwards43:31

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:32

        Unless I knew. Unless the guy was a fucking asshole.

    22. YEYves Edwards43:35

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:35

        And he, and he like-

    24. YEYves Edwards43:37

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan43:37

        ... "I'm gonna go smash this dude."

    26. YEYves Edwards43:38

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        Like there's just no-

    28. YEYves Edwards43:40

        It's very close. Uh, they're both minus, minus 105, minus 125, which would be-

    29. JRJoe Rogan43:46

        Hmm.

    30. YEYves Edwards43:46

        Holloway is the favorite, slight favorite.
11. 50:45 – 52:20

    Fixing weight classes: the case for 165 and a cleaner 10-pound ladder

    1. JRJoe Rogan50:45

       Well, Josh Thomson just said recently (clears throat) that he thinks that the UFC is getting rid of the 125-pound division and they're gonna put on a 165-pound division, which I think is very interesting. If they do do a 165, I would like them to switch 170 to 175.

    2. YEYves Edwards50:58

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan50:59

       I think that would be wise. I don't think it's wise to have a 65 and a 75-

    4. YEYves Edwards51:02

       And a 70.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:02

       But I do think a 65 and a 75 is great.

    6. YEYves Edwards51:05

       Right. Yeah, I agree. I, uh, 10 pounds ... 10 pounds-

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:09

       10 pounds is good, across the board.

    8. YEYves Edwards51:10

       Yeah, it's great.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:10

       I think across the board, I think we had every 10 pounds of weight class ... I mean, a lot of people don't like the boxing thing where there's so many champions and so many weight classes, but who fucking cares? Who cares? Who cares if there's a welterweight and then a super welterweight?

    10. YEYves Edwards51:23

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:24

        Who cares that it's only seven pounds difference? Who-

    12. YEYves Edwards51:26

        Just more fights.

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:26

        Well, it's more fights-

    14. YEYves Edwards51:27

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:27

        It's more champions. It's more champion versus champion.

    16. YEYves Edwards51:30

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:30

        I mean, don't you wanna see that? I wanna see that.

    18. YEYves Edwards51:32

        I wanna ... Yeah, I wanna see the best of the best.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:34

        Yeah.

    20. YEYves Edwards51:35

        You know what I mean? We're, we're getting, we're getting some of the best of the best right now. You get the number ... Let's say ... Kevin Lee, right? Kevin Lee could be a 165-pound champion.

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:43

        Yes.

    22. YEYves Edwards51:43

        But-

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:43

        And probably that's his weight class, too, really.

    24. YEYves Edwards51:45

        Right?

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:45

        He probably struggles to make 155. He's a big fella.

    26. YEYves Edwards51:48

        He's a big dude, but then he can't do it anymore, but like Tyron wrestled at 165.

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        Right.

    28. YEYves Edwards51:53

        Imagine if he was still that age, you know, and he could fight at 165. There, there, you got-

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:57

        I bet Tyron can make 65.

    30. YEYves Edwards51:59

        (laughs)
12. 52:20 – 1:06:16

    Askren arrives: UFC politics, betting lines, and dream fights (Khabib vs. Askren)

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:20

       You know? They listen to me sometimes. I think they listened to me with Ben Askren.

    2. YEYves Edwards52:24

       Finally.

    3. JRJoe Rogan52:24

       I'm gonna go on record and I'm gonna say I'm a big reason-

    4. YEYves Edwards52:26

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan52:26

       ... why Ben Askren got in the UFC. I, I, uh, I brokered a meeting between him and Dana White.

    6. YEYves Edwards52:31

       Okay.

    7. JRJoe Rogan52:32

       Dude, I put it together. I called Dana. I said, "Look, he's a good guy, man. He's talking shit, but everybody talks shit." Like, come on.

    8. YEYves Edwards52:38

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan52:38

       I'm like, "The guy's undefeated." And he's like, uh, he was like, "When Ambien wants to go to sleep, it takes Ben Aspirin."

    10. YEYves Edwards52:43

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:45

        (laughs)

    12. YEYves Edwards52:45

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:46

        And I'm like, "Dude, it's fighting." See, the thing about fighting is, it's not a matter of what is, like, the ... what's exciting to watch. For a person like you, a person like me, who's like, sitting there, "How is this gonna play out?"

    14. YEYves Edwards52:59

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan52:59

        "I want to see-

    16. YEYves Edwards52:59

        What's gonna work?

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:00

        ... what works."

    18. YEYves Edwards53:02

        Oh, he's a 3-1 favorite over Robbie Lawler. Holy shit. That's crazy.

    19. SPSpeaker53:12

        They just added another fight to this card.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:14

        Listen, man. You can't sleep on Robbie fucking Lawler.

    21. YEYves Edwards53:19

        Oh-

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:19

        Don't sleep on Robbie Lawler. That's crazy. That's crazy. 3-1?

    23. YEYves Edwards53:25

        3-1 is horrible.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:26

        And dude, Robbie Lawler can wrestler?

    25. YEYves Edwards53:27

        He has to be able to wrestle.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:27

        And Robbie Lawler's been shutting people's lights out since the fucking early 2000s.

    27. SPSpeaker53:32

        So it's a decent bet then?

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:33

        It's a fucking very good bet.

    29. YEYves Edwards53:34

        I would, I would take ... I mean, I would take the Robbie Lawler bet, especially with him being-

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:38

        It's actually a good bet.
13. 1:06:16 – 1:11:42

    Inside PFL: the $1M season format, stars like Vinny, and the scoring-system debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:16

       Ah. So what is the deal with PFL and the million dollar thing?

    2. YEYves Edwards1:06:20

       I-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:20

       Like, what do you ... Is it for each individual weight class?

    4. YEYves Edwards1:06:23

       Yes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:23

       You get a million dollars?

    6. YEYves Edwards1:06:23

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:24

       Wow.

    8. YEYves Edwards1:06:24

       So on, on, on New Year's Eve, there's a, there's a $10 million prize pool. Um, all the winners, the six winners of their championship fights get $1 million.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:33

       Wow.

    10. YEYves Edwards1:06:33

        So three fights for $1 million 'cause of the playoffs fights, right? The playoffs are cool too, though, because once you make the playoff, if you lose in the quarters, it's a guaranteed $500,000.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:42

        Hmm.

    12. YEYves Edwards1:06:42

        If you lose in the semis, that's $100,000, and then the finals are the winner gets $1 million, the loser, $200,000.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:49

        It's still good.

    14. YEYves Edwards1:06:49

        It's still good money, right?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:50

        Um, I'm happy to see how good Vinny's doing.

    16. YEYves Edwards1:06:53

        Vinny-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:54

        Vinny Magalhaes is a beast.

    18. YEYves Edwards1:06:55

        He's a completely different guy, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:06:57

        He is. You know, he always had, uh, the w- the ... well, some of the best jujitsu you're ever going to see in MMA, period.

    20. YEYves Edwards1:07:04

        Yeah, yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:04

        But then his striking wasn't up to par. But now it is.

    22. YEYves Edwards1:07:08

        His striking was good. I mean, he won two fights because of his striking.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:12

        Yeah.

    24. YEYves Edwards1:07:12

        One with strikes and one by setting it up with his striking.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:16

        Yeah.

    26. YEYves Edwards1:07:16

        You know? Um, Vinny, he's, he's really working at it. He says, he says, he claims to be training four times a day for this, um, and he, he looked that way. He didn't get out of the first round. Like, each fight got longer and the longest fight was like two minutes 33 seconds or something like that for Vinny.

Episode duration: 1:47:33