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JRE MMA Show #62 with Brendan Schaub

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub to discuss the fights from UFC 236.

Joe RoganhostBrendan SchaubguestJamie VernonguestGuestguest
Apr 16, 20192h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 0:44

    Cold open banter: Gucci shoes, confidence, and jumping into fight talk

    1. JR

      Let's go live.

    2. BS

      (whistles)

    3. JR

      5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And yee-haw. Brendan Schaub.

    4. BS

      What's up, dog?

    5. JR

      Did you buy those shoes yourself?

    6. BS

      Yeah, I bought these.

    7. JR

      Just wanted to check.

    8. BS

      A little too much flair for you?

    9. JR

      (Blows out air) Confident-

    10. BS

      It's summer, bro.

    11. JR

      ... confident move. Like, you got the tight pants around the ankles.

    12. BS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Just riding high enough to see the Gucci shoes.

    14. BS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      I get it, bro.

    16. BS

      Gucci denim, bro.

    17. JR

      I get it.

    18. BS

      What's up, bro?

    19. JR

      I get it. (laughs)

    20. BS

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      It works. It works. (laughs) You can pull it off.

    22. BS

      You were making fun of me going, "You..." (laughs) Yeah.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. BS

      Yeah. I was, I was, I was saying like, "Yeah, I bet you girls like these." You're like, "Yeah, girls also like dick though, man."

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. BS

      Good point. Legit point, sir.

    27. JR

      It's true. It's true.

  2. 0:44 – 2:03

    ESPN+ pay-per-view rollout problems and the piracy dilemma

    1. BS

      It's so true. Dude, how about these fights? Let's get into them. Oh my God, how about these fights? How about I almost didn't see them and I texted you during the broadcast.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. BS

      The ESPN+ thing was a nightmare, man.

    4. JR

      Yeah, they had some hiccups. Yeah.

    5. BS

      That'd be an understatement.

    6. JR

      Yeah. That- that-

    7. BS

      It d-

    8. JR

      ... that has happened before, right? With digital stuff. Digital stuff, I think, it's hard.

    9. BS

      It is. In 2019, though?

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. BS

      Especially with ESPN though. That's where I wa- I was just shocked. And me being like a super fan, I had to figure it out. But you know how, oh, how I had to figure it out? 'Cause it didn't work on any platform. So... And it's a hiccup where you couldn't order it off the app, so you had to close the app, order it from a desktop, then shut down something, then go to your TV. It was a nightmare.

    12. JR

      (Whistles)

    13. BS

      But that didn't work for me. And then I was like, "All right." And then I slowly was missing the first fight. I'm like, "Man, I gotta figure stuff out." And then I tweeted out I was having problems and 2,000 savages sent me links to legal streams.

    14. JR

      Legal or illegal?

    15. BS

      Illegal.

    16. JR

      Illegal. But of course you didn't watch those illegal streams.

    17. BS

      I didn't, Joe.

    18. JR

      Good.

    19. BS

      And I'm glad you pointed it out. I did not, but if I were going to-

    20. JR

      Would it be awesome?

    21. BS

      ... it was awesome and clear.

    22. JR

      Was it in HD?

    23. BS

      It was HD.

    24. JR

      Wow.

    25. BS

      And it had zero problems.

    26. JR

      Well-

    27. BS

      If I was going to.

    28. JR

      ... I'm glad you didn't because they could track you, that face recognition software.

    29. BS

      They could tr- They could definitely track me. It's a huge problem.

  3. 2:03 – 4:17

    Max Holloway’s stardom and the realities of moving up in weight

    1. JR

      Well, it was definitely a huge problem for the first event. Um, I don't know, uh, I don't know how many people downloaded it and did it, but I bet they probably didn't see the number coming. It was a big fight. Those two fights were huge. I mean, first of all, something happened, um, I think, within the last year or so for Max Holloway, where like when Max Holloway's face goes up on the screen-

    2. BS

      People love it.

    3. JR

      ... people go nuts.

    4. BS

      'Cause they know he throws down.

    5. JR

      Yeah, I think it was the Ortega fight. I really think that Ortega fight made him a superstar. I really do.

    6. BS

      The Aldo ones definitely helped them.

    7. JR

      For sure they did.

    8. BS

      The back-to-back Aldo ass whoopings and then Ort- the Ortega one.

    9. JR

      The thing that was different though is Ortega had a big following. Ortega was the young, beautiful-

    10. BS

      Lion.

    11. JR

      ... lion with fantastic jujitsu, handsome guy, cool, smooth talker.

    12. BS

      Correct.

    13. JR

      Looks like a champion.

    14. BS

      Yep.

    15. JR

      Fucking everybody up. So, he had a lot of fans coming in there and they went to war. They went to war. And Max came out on top and I think Max, a lot of those p- And because they were so cool with each other during, before, and after-

    16. BS

      People loved it.

    17. JR

      But dude, Max is the... He loses better than anyone on the fucking planet. W- Loses or wins, he just goes, "Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm just gonna get better."

    18. BS

      He doesn't lose a lot.

    19. JR

      He doesn't.

    20. BS

      No.

    21. JR

      I mean, he lost to Conor. He lost to Dustin-

    22. BS

      Conor when he was young. Young as fuck.

    23. JR

      ... in his very first fight ever. You know?

    24. BS

      But I-

    25. JR

      He's 20 years old.

    26. BS

      But I also think Max is a... 'Cause we've always said, I think both of us have been in agreement where if a guy is cutting a ton of weight and killing himself, go to the next weight class.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. BS

      I've always said that.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. BS

      Whether it was, uh, Darren Till, whether, you know, uh, Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold, Jon Jones. I'm like, "Dude, go up a weight class, dominate." And then this is kind of the first time we've seen a guy where it's like, mm, it's not that easy. 'Cause Max Holloway went up, but you could see the power wasn't there. Like, he might have... He, and he did. He landed more than, uh, Dustin Poirier, but when Dustin hi- landed, it f- You could see that it fucking counted.

  4. 4:17 – 7:02

    Poirier vs Holloway breakdown: damage, technique, and Poirier’s resume

    1. JR

      Well, and you gotta give credit to Poirier too because if you look at the two of them, like, after the fight, there was a big difference between the amount of damage that Poirier landed. Big difference. He was hitting him with big shots. And it wasn't just big shots, it was shots, period. He was hitting him with really clean, well timed shots, with great head movement, great movement.

    2. BS

      How about that knee?

    3. JR

      Dude, everything, man.

    4. BS

      Split open his head, man.

    5. JR

      Yeah, everything. He did everything great. I mean, he really... That was a coming out party for Dustin Poirier in a lot of ways.

    6. BS

      For the common fan.

    7. JR

      Well, yeah. Well, the people that knew him from the Gaethje fight and knew him, uh, from th- the Eddie Alvarez fight, they knew that, man, he beat these two really good guys, but Max Holloway might be one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world and I think is.

    8. BS

      I s- I, I think Max Holloway's-

    9. JR

      I still think he is.

    10. BS

      ... the greatest 145er of all time.

    11. JR

      Yes.

    12. BS

      I think he's a damn good 55er, but, but, uh, 55 could be tough for Max.

    13. JR

      Well, this is a great example of what we've always said about the differences j- between the size of people.

    14. BS

      Correct.

    15. JR

      And this is a, it's a, it's, it's... First of all, I mean, all credit to, uh, Dustin Poirier 'cause he put on a phenomenal performance. He got, you know, he got tested in that fight. He came through. And we see, we even talked about it in the post-fight interview that he got hurt in the third round. He came through and just super impressive.

    16. BS

      Think about his wins.

    17. JR

      He was striking. Yeah, man.

    18. BS

      D-

    19. JR

      Gaethje.

    20. BS

      Anthony Pettis. Anthony Pettis, world champion.

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. BS

      Gaethje, world champion.

    23. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    24. BS

      Eddie Alvarez, world champion. Max Holloway, world champion.

    25. JR

      The Pettis one though, wasn't that an injury? I feel like Pettis got injured and they stopped the fight. Like, did he break his hand? Is that what happened?

    26. BS

      No.

    27. JR

      I feel like the Pettis one was an injury.

    28. BS

      He had the issues with Eddie Alvarez, right? Which was a no contest.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think... Well, there was one fight where Dustin Poirier... No, yeah. I think it, I think that was it. There was one fight with Pettis-

    30. BS

      Remember-

  5. 7:02 – 8:24

    Theo Von at cageside and the shock of watching elite fights live

    1. BS

      Theo Von's favorite fighter.

    2. JR

      He works hard. Dude, that was hilarious is that seeing those two guys together.

    3. BS

      Th- That was hilarious.

    4. JR

      Just calling him the Rat King, the Rat King.

    5. BS

      They both went to the same home school.

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. BS

      How about... Theo was yelling instructions. I'm gonna... I see him tomorrow at King of the Sting-

    8. JR

      On the fight, what's going on?

    9. BS

      ... I'm gonna roast the shit out of him.

    10. JR

      Did you see him?

    11. BS

      Yelling, "Take him down!" I went, "What? What is happening right now?"

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. BS

      "Why does this happen?"

    14. JR

      He was saying that?

    15. BS

      Yeah. Shouting instructions.

    16. JR

      But I couldn't hear. Luckily, the UFC provides me with, uh, headphones.

    17. BS

      I was hoping you'd... 'Cause you would've turned around like, "Dude, what are you doing?"

    18. JR

      I just... I love Theo, he's the best.

    19. BS

      He's m-... Yeah, the best.

    20. JR

      He's such a character.

    21. BS

      Unique kid.

    22. JR

      He was so happy. He was so happy.

    23. BS

      Me and him bet... Well, w-... I just bet because obviously him and-

    24. JR

      You thought, um, that... What did, what did you think, Max?

    25. BS

      I thought it... I thought it was gonna be a great fight. I thought Max at 55, e- ev- everything was gonna carry with him. I thought Max would probably get it done, but I knew it was gonna be a good fight. I was just betting Theo 'cause Theo is boys with Dustin.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. BS

      They're from the same area. So it was just a friendly bet. I would never bet against Dustin Poirier. Look at these fools.

    28. JR

      Hilarious. That's amazing.

    29. JV

      Come on, guys. Come on, guys. Uldis. Uldis. Uldis. Uldis.

    30. BS

      How about Theo? (laughs)

  6. 8:24 – 9:52

    Adesanya vs Gastelum: all-time classic, adversity, and hidden grappling

    1. JR

      Shootouts, man. The Kelvin Gastelum-Stylebender fight was a shootout.

    2. BS

      Best title fight for me I've ever watched.

    3. JR

      (sighs)

    4. BS

      Ever.

    5. JR

      It's one of the best fights of all time.

    6. BS

      Has to be.

    7. JR

      It has to be. And when you see Stylebender get rocked in the first round-

    8. BS

      (sighs)

    9. JR

      ... and dropped, you're like, "Holy shit."

    10. BS

      I think it's the best thing for-

    11. JR

      "Holy shit."

    12. BS

      ... that happened to him.

    13. JR

      It's a good thing. It's a good thing.

    14. BS

      I think it's a good thing. For career-wise and going forward, it's a good thing he faced a little adversity. We see that he's not gonna get hit and crumble.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. BS

      You... And I... Uh, you got one.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. BS

      You, you got a special dude in Stylebender.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. BS

      And how good is Kelvin?

    21. JR

      Goddamn, he's tough.

    22. BS

      How fast are his fucking hands?

    23. JR

      He's so tough. He's so fucking tough. And even after all that, I mean, Stylebender was teeing off on him in that fifth round, and Kelvin is f- finding a way to survive. I'm like-

    24. BS

      He has a great chin.

    25. JR

      ... this is incredible.

    26. BS

      Stylebender's face looked like he was allergic to s- shellfish.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. BS

      (laughs) Did you see his face?

    29. JR

      Yeah, his face.

    30. BS

      Look at his face. How ma-... That was the fourth round.

  7. 9:52 – 14:28

    Weight classes, weight cutting extremes, and the case for 165 lbs

    1. JR

      Whenever. And let's be honest, he's really a welterweight.

    2. BS

      Correct. He's-

    3. JR

      I-

    4. BS

      ... super small for 185.

    5. JR

      If Darren Till can make 170 pounds, so can Kelvin.

    6. BS

      It's a discipline thing, yes.

    7. JR

      I just think there should be more weight classes. I don't even think it's r-... Uh, I don't, I don't think he's a...

    8. BS

      Talk to your boy, Dana, man.

    9. JR

      He doesn't wanna listen to me.

    10. BS

      65, you could text and make it happen.

    11. JR

      See, no one, no one listens to me.

    12. BS

      Te-

    13. JR

      And I don't want them to.

    14. BS

      Really?

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. BS

      I do.

    17. JR

      I'd rather be... just stay out here and talk about it.

    18. BS

      Yeah, me too.

    19. JR

      I don't wanna be involved.

    20. BS

      But what happens if-

    21. JR

      I've pushed it. I've said I think there should be a weight class every ti-... Uh, get out of here.

    22. BS

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. BS

      We could, like, dangle the carrot and be like, "Yo, we'll do a fight campaign every time a 165-er fights."

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. BS

      "And just dangle that carrot."

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. BS

      He's probably still wouldn't do it.

    29. JR

      Probably still wouldn't do it. It's, um... It's one of those things where, like, I think they like it the way it is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    30. BS

      Yeah, but it doesn't make sense, 'cause if you're gonna do all these interim belts, why not do 65?

  8. 14:28 – 19:40

    Whittaker vs Adesanya setup, Yoel Romero looming, and judging philosophy

    1. BS

      Who gives a fuck? How about, uh, Stylebender versus Whittaker?

    2. JR

      Yeah, man.

    3. BS

      The all Oceanic fight. Are you really gonna fly to Australia for that pay-per-view?

    4. JR

      I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about it.

    5. BS

      Dude, there ain't, there ain't two dudes on this planet that can get me to fly to Australia.

    6. JR

      Two?

    7. BS

      There's not. It, no dudes on this planet-

    8. JR

      You wanna be there live though or something-

    9. BS

      No, Joe.

    10. JR

      ... like Epic?

    11. BS

      ... I'd rather be here. I'd rather be here. ♪ Don't ta- ta- ta- ♪ You're crazy.

    12. JR

      Mm.

    13. BS

      I love Australia, but...

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. BS

      Now, if Rihanna was like, "Yo, dude, get to Australia." Like, I'm on my way. (blows raspberry) Say no more, fam. No.

    16. JR

      But not two dudes.

    17. BS

      Yeah, but that fight, dude, I wanna see that fight in the flesh. Live? You're gonna do it?

    18. JR

      I think I might. I wanna see that, uh, goes down.

    19. BS

      (inhales deeply) That's a great fight.

    20. JR

      I wanna see... Whittaker is a fucking animal, man.

    21. BS

      I think it was about his injuries.

    22. JR

      Just think about how much pain that guy had to be in to, and almost fight with a hernia and a ruptured... He had a ruptured rectum, right?

    23. BS

      Was it ruptured rectum? I thought it was just a hernia.

    24. JR

      No, no, no, no, no.

    25. BS

      I think his rectum's fine.

    26. JR

      No, no, I think he had two major injuries.

    27. BS

      No, I know, I know it was intestines were popping through.

    28. JR

      Yeah, but I think it was another one.

    29. BS

      Damn, his rectum was fucked up too?

    30. JR

      Yeah. So, isn't that... Didn't he have a tear?

  9. 19:40 – 32:02

    Khalil Rountree’s Thailand transformation and the limits of striking-only success

    1. JR

      Erik Anders. Dude. How the fuck did... Were people scoring those rounds 10-9? Dude. Yeah, that's ridiculous. What the fuck are you doing? That's a perfect example. What are you doing? That's a perfect example. How is that a 10-9? Dude. That wasn't a competitive fight. How good does Rountree look? (laughs) How good? Dude. Oh, you said something on the broadcast, and everyone said everyone's... Someone's booking a trip to Phuket. (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. (laughs) Someone get the kids right now all across this world- Everyone... Every fighter's like, "Where the fuck was he at?" They're making fucking plane trips to Phuket. Yeah. My, my, my only thing is with that is- Jesus Christ, man. ... what's the grappling like out there? Hey, man. I don't know, man, but get somebody to help him. Get somebody. That motherfucker, he throws- He looks so good. ... some of the nastiest inside leg kicks, and so fast, and he was total Thai style. I wish I could lift my arms up. These tennis elbow shots got my shoulders hurt. Oh. And you could tell he was just in it, and just- Total Thai style but with a light front leg. He was feeling it. Dude, his timing, his speed was off the charts. He fucked his leg up. I hope Erik Anders posted a picture today about it. But, um- How tough... First of all, how fucking tough is Erik Anders? His coaches, "What are you doing?" Yeah. "This is not a title fight." Right. "This... There's nothing really on the line here. It's just not his day." They couldn't ask him to quit. He didn't game plan for a fucking- They couldn't ask him to quit. They just wouldn't ask him to quit. He's so fucking tough. But that's... Coaches have to... He's so tough. Crimson Tide alumni monster. Did you hear what Jon Anik said? What'd he say? He said... He goes, he goes, he loves when he fights because then Bruce Buffer has to say, "Ya boy." (laughs) Oh, really? (laughs) 'Cause that's his nickname. That's hilarious. Erik "Ya Boy" Anders. That's hilarious. Dude, he's a... He's a bad motherfucker. What a nickname, Ya Boy. He's a bad motherfucker, 'cause that guy does not have a long history of mixed martial arts like a lot of these guys. Athletic man. Way more athletic than the rest. Yeah, a... Way... Than a lot of them, but look, Khalil's athletic as fuck too, man. You know he used to be 320 pounds? Yeah, he was huge. Yeah. Have y- have you met him in photos? I've seen great guy. Great guy. He seems like a great guy. Used to train with him, monster. I'm just so... Well, I was impressed when he knocked out Gokhan Saki. And then, um, I know he lost to Johnny Walker, who's just a beast and a freak. I don't know what to make of Johnny Walker yet. Hoo, he's scary. I'm on the train, but I'm kinda like- I'm on. Where are we at? I'm on the fucking toot-a-toot. I'm on the... Me too. I'm pulling the horn. And I'm on the back like, "Let's go, Johnny." Johnny Wa... He's a bad motherfucker, dude. He's something special. He's something special. I'm not... I'm not- I hope he didn't hurt his fucking shoulder when he fell- I know. ... when he did that worm thing. I know. I hope, I hope he didn't really hurt himself, 'cause if he really hurt himself and they can't fix that, that would be a damn shame if the way he got injured is falling down playing around after an... a spectacular victory. I thought he came out and said he was fine though. His manager said he's fine. Well, he would say that. I would say that too. Yeah, me too. You gotta tell everybody you're fine. "We'll fix this. We'll fix this." He does look like a freak though. Who knows? He's a freak, dude. He has crazy power. Crazy power. He's scary. And he caught Khalil with, uh, an elbow- In the clinch. ... with one of those up... One of those elbows where your hands up high in, like, Thai style. In the clinch. In the clinch. But it was beautiful. Flatlined him. It was... But the way he did it though, like, the tech-... Look, anybody gets flatlined with that fucking elbow. Anybody. That guy hits hard and his- But how about that's the fight- His technique is- That was the reason why Khalil went to Thailand. Yes. That's what I was gonna say. He's like, "Oh, fuck this noise." It's beautiful. And now he's all in. He's like... He's moving there. He's gonna move his family there. He's gonna do all his camps out of there. That's so intense. It's so intense. But when you have results like that, like, I love it. I love a story like that. I love a story like that till a grappler comes around and goes, "Muay Thai." (laughs) "That's cool. Thailand, riding elephants and shit. Check this out." Yeah, but doesn't like- That's what I'm worried about. ... Phuket Top Team and a lot of those places out there in AKA, aka, uh, Mike Swick's place, they must have wrestling. I'm sure, right? Mike Swick came out of AKA American Kickboxing Academy. That's true. But Mike Swick wasn't exactly a wrestler. No. Well, he- But he knows the deal. ... was always with wrestlers though. Yeah, you're right. I mean, he knew how to wrestle. Swick could do everything. Yeah, it's true. You know? Maybe he's been in the game- Swick was beautiful. I'm sure they got- Bad motherfucker. But is that where he's at? AKA out there? Yeah, he's got his place out there. But now I'm saying, is that where Khalil's at? I do not know where Khalil is at. I think he's at straight kicking bamboo- No, no. I think he's doing the real deal. ... Reinhardt style. Yeah. He actually- Drinking coconuts, hanging out with lady boys. He actually posted... Go to his, um... See if you can go to Khalil Rountree Jr's Instagram page, 'cause he posted thanks after the fight. Um- There's a lot of people doing it. Yeah. Well, a lot of people are going to Thailand. I think there's something to it, man. Learning in the motherland with those dudes, you know, watching those guys work out and train, just to be in that environment, it's like- It's good for the soul. You know what it would be like? He's the nicest guy, Joe. The nicest guy out there. Yeah, that's Khalil's Instagram. That's me and him and his, his crew taking the photo. You know, he used to work at, like, a MMA warehouse and sell shirts when he was 300 pounds and was like, "Dude, I wanna fight." That's crazy. See if, um, there's a thank... Go, go to the... Back to the, um... Oh, that's it right there. No, sorry, go back to that one. See there, it says teddybearpeachyindiboxing. See that? Click on that. Click on that. That's the dude. I think that's, that's the gym. So he's with- Or that's one of his friends. One championship. See, that's him. He's training with him right there. There you go. That's the gym there? Yeah. Oh, that's not what I'm thinking. See, I wanna... Damn, that dude is in shape. (laughs) I wanna see... It's, uh... (laughs) Listen, you want Khalil Rountree Jr kicking you, he's probably better off in that shape. Give you fucking... Yeah, he gotta be shaped like a Thai snowman. So that- Um... Dude was probably his pads guy that helped him with his pads. He's doing work, man. Yeah. Damn, look at the legs on that fucking Thai dude. That dude's thick. Bro. That dude's thick. That dude's... (laughs) He's on that Western diet, son.

    2. BS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      It's like, pass on the Pad Thai and get me the Donald Trump.

    4. BS

      Pad Thai, fuck that noise.

    5. JR

      Ugh. But, um-

    6. BS

      Man, but there's something to... I think it's good for the soul.

    7. JR

      Might be. So being over there you mean?

    8. BS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    9. JR

      There's something about Khalil, man. Oh, this is a... Jamie's doing this just to make us laugh.

    10. BS

      (laughs) Thank you, dude.

    11. JR

      Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch.

    12. BS

      I... Shout out to that guy.

    13. JR

      Yeah. Um, there's something about, uh, being in a place where something was invented that must give you, like, some extra juice.

    14. BS

      Have you ever done jujitsu in Brazil?

    15. JR

      No. But imagine-

    16. BS

      It's a special place. I mean, they hate white people, (laughs) but special place.

    17. JR

      No, they don't. No.

    18. BS

      No, they hated me, but yeah. (laughs)

    19. JR

      Hated you.

    20. BS

      Especially when you're fighting Nogueira doing jujitsu.

    21. JR

      Of course they're gonna hate you if you fight Nogueira.

    22. BS

      Yeah. Yeah, it was funny.

    23. JR

      Yeah. And you're a jujitsu guy.

    24. BS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Yeah. You came from jujitsu, so for you to fight Nou-... That was the thing, like, right? Like, if you fought a jujitsu guy... And remember the early days? If a jujitsu guy fought a jujitsu guy, it'd be a real issue-

    26. BS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... in the jujitsu community.

    28. BS

      W-

    29. JR

      Like, "Why don't you fight somebody else?"

    30. BS

      Well, remember with Anderson, he didn't want to fight other Brazilians.

  10. 32:02 – 40:02

    Jon Jones talk: Stylebender feud, thin 205 landscape, and Thiago Santos danger

    1. JR

      Why is Stylebender and Jon Jones, why are they talking shit to each other?

    2. BS

      I-

    3. JR

      Do you know what started it?

    4. BS

      Uh, yeah. Um, Jon did a, it ... Originally it started, it did start with Jon. He came out in an interview and goes, "You know, Stylebender's looking good. He's fighting at 85. It's only a matter of time before I think we cross paths."

    5. JR

      Mm.

    6. BS

      Which is silly. And then Stylebender, I think TMZ asked him, he's like, "Oh, I already beat one GOAT. I need another one. You know, I'm just getting started."

    7. JR

      Oh, Jesus.

    8. BS

      But if you're Jon, why are you even engaging in this? Why are you punching down?

    9. JR

      It's great for Jon-

    10. BS

      (coughs) Because Santos-

    11. JR

      It's great for Jon-

    12. BS

      Well ...

    13. JR

      It's great for Jon because he wants to let everybody know, "Hey, I'm the best motherfucker on the planet."

    14. BS

      But we know this.

    15. JR

      Like, if this guy's ... Yeah, but he wants to let everybody know. Like, when he's, when there's a card that's about someone ... I mean, he's active now, right? Jon Jones got momentum now.

    16. BS

      He's-

    17. JR

      Th- uh, think about ho- where he's at right now. He's in his 30s, right? L- l- long-ass fucking career as champion, as the best ever.

    18. BS

      Correct.

    19. JR

      He's on a run right now. That's what I think. I think they took it away from him for all those months when he tested positive, that long suspension, all that time off, all money that he should've made, all the legacy that he could've laid down. And then now I think, I think he's just fucking chasing it and the best-

    20. BS

      I'm all about it.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. BS

      100% all about it.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. BS

      However, f- talking to 80- uh, 183-pounder is kinda silly.

    25. JR

      Yeah, but what if you say that in an interview? I don't think that's that disrespectful.

    26. BS

      I don't either. I don't either.

    27. JR

      The way he said it is that one day maybe we're gonna fight.

    28. BS

      Yeah, but then Stylebender, you know, TMZ asked them.

    29. JR

      Right. Of course.

    30. BS

      They don't give a shit about fighting. They're like, "Oh, this guy's big, this guy's big, they're both black, let's fight." They have no idea.

  11. 40:02 – 47:00

    Heavyweight picture: Brock rumors, DC/Stipe stakes, and contender chaos

    1. JR

      ... Brock Lesnar deal doesn't get done, the talk is Stipe versus DC, 'cause the Brock Lesnar deal is not done. Now, in that whole process, the talk-

    2. BS

      Oh, 'cause Brock lost?

    3. JR

      No. That's not real.

    4. BS

      (laughs) What?

    5. JR

      It's WWE.

    6. BS

      Fuck.

    7. JR

      You didn't know?

    8. BS

      I thought it was real.

    9. JR

      I'm sorry.

    10. BS

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      Do you see Game of Thrones? I'll give you some more spoiler alerts.

    12. BS

      Dude, I did.

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. BS

      Bet your sweet ass I did.

    15. JR

      Don't talk about it, people get angry.

    16. BS

      I know, we don't talk about it.

    17. JR

      Shut up.

    18. BS

      There are dragons though.

    19. JR

      It's DVRing. Dragons are real. Um, they think that, you know-

    20. BS

      Do you see Stipe too?

    21. JR

      ... Brock might not fight. They don't know. Like, I mean, Brock has to decide, this is something he definitely wants to do.

    22. BS

      Hey, Brock, quit fucking giving us blue balls and get the fuck in there. Get the fuck out there.

    23. JR

      Sh- you know he's gotta make the commitment, and I know he's been training. He's been training a lot.

    24. BS

      He's been training.

    25. JR

      Yeah, and he's trained with some high-level wrestlers.

    26. BS

      And I like Brock.

    27. JR

      Mission.

    28. BS

      I hope it happens.

    29. JR

      I do too.

    30. BS

      Brock and DC?

  12. 47:00 – 52:06

    Askren, wrestling crossovers, and the Herb Dean stoppage debate

    1. JR

      Oh, okay. That's 'cause he's probably booking a fight. He's probably like, "See ya." Yeah. Dude, your boy, uh, Ben Askren is fighting. The o- the- Yeah, Bel- the fuck, not fighting. Masvidal. He's fighting Masvidal, but I'm saying he's doing wrestling.

    2. JV

      Uh, he's having a wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs, right?

    3. JR

      Yes. Isn't that crazy? God, man. Isn't that crazy? That's, like, May 6th, I think. You know, uh, if- if Ben Askren can really hang with Jordan Burroughs still- Dude.

    4. JV

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      I, yeah. Insane. 'Cause everybody who rolls with him, I've never, uh, I never even clinched with him, but everybody who's done everything with him, like, I'll, the closest I came to a clinch is, like, that hug you do when you bro hug a dude. Yeah, get the over-under a little bit just to feel it out. (clears throat) But they say that it's like he's got four arms. They say, dude, it's ridiculous. Oh, yeah. I've heard stories about him. Yeah. I feel like it doesn't even make sense. I- I've heard Wally Wops, world champions, we all know. Yeah, just ragdolls people. That's how good his wrestling is. I mean, if you see that fight with Robbie Lawler, the fucking bombs that guy took. (laughs) That's fucked up for our big man. And the fact that he still figured out a way to get a hold of Robbie Lawler's neck, that he still figured out a way to get him into that headlock. And once, and Robbie knew he wanted to clinch with him, he couldn't keep him off him. Dude, I was sweating in that fight 'cause you and I hyped him up- Woo! ... so much. I was like, "Oh, please don't get starched in the first round." Mm-hmm. It's still a super controversial ending to me. Um- What, you had Herb on. What'd he say? Well, Herb said, y- uh, that, uh, first of all, Herb Dean is the shit. Nice guy. Couldn't be nicer. Great guy. But e- I love his perspective. He's so laid back and his ego is so healthy. Like when he talks about things, like y- you don't see any, i- i- it's very reasoned, like the way he approaches things. Like a Buddha sloth. But he's just, like, chilled out, and he's, like, very self-deprecating and chilled out about it. But he had a very good point. He was like, that's not just a manipulation of the neck, like, in terms of, like, cutting off the carotid artery. Correct. He's like, this is a manipulation of the spine. It's like a, a bit of a neck crank. And he's- Didn't even think about that. ... he was talking about, like, you look how he's got a hold of the head and how as he goes, the real, what I'm concerned with is if someone's going unconscious from, from some nerve shit. Oh, wow. Yeah, like from a neck crank. Like, apparently h- he had seen a guy who had gotten neck cranked like that, and then afterwards, the guy couldn't walk. He, like, couldn't move. It came back, but for moments. Still. But for moments, he couldn't move, and he was terrified. See, this is just shit we don't need to think about. I'm like, dude- Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Herb- That's why he's Herb Dean. He's the gold standard. He's the gold standard. It's Big John McCarthy and him, and Big John doesn't do it anymore. So it's Herb Dean- So it's Herb Dean. ... numero uno. And, um, just that, when you think about i- and Askren says, what he says is that, see, that's nasty, dude. That looks terrible. That's nasty. With the way he's holding onto the head like that and, and cranking your neck- I like that they're not rematching. ... it's a very bad position. I like that UFC went, "Oh, all right, we're good." Yeah? I, I dig that. I, I get it. I wanna see it again. I, like, I, I, I disagree. I think that, um...I, I agree with Herb's stoppage and, uh, I, I see the, that the arm went limp, but then the thumb came up, but then as soon as he let go, Robbie jumped up. Usman had me convinced that Robbie was never out, but Herb had me convinced that it was too dangerous for him to allow-

    6. BS

      To keep going?

    7. JR

      ... it to continue once the arm dropped in that weird way.

    8. BS

      So do you side with Herb?

    9. JR

      You have to side with Herb-

    10. BS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... in that situation.

    12. BS

      He's the expert.

    13. JR

      You have to side with Herb 'cause he's right, because that is a special circumstance. See, I looked at it in terms... And, and I didn't even consider this when I was talking to Usman, that I looked at it in terms of it's just a choke.

    14. BS

      Yeah, me too.

    15. JR

      And Herb's like, "No, it's a neck crank."

    16. BS

      Me too.

    17. JR

      So, but still, I'd love to see it again.

    18. BS

      I'd like to see it next.

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. BS

      So, so if they, if they both win, 'cause Askren Masvidal-

    21. JR

      I know.

    22. BS

      ... that doesn't get your dick hard?

    23. JR

      No, Askren Masvidal's wild.

    24. BS

      And then if, let's say Askren wins that, which is a tough fight to win-

    25. JR

      That's a tough fight.

    26. BS

      ... and let's say, uh, Woodley and Lawler, say Lawler wins that, then they fight.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. BS

      It's even bigger.

    29. JR

      Woodley v- versus Lawler, though, that's a tall order.

    30. BS

      Yes.

  13. 52:06 – 1:19:42

    TJ Dillashaw and EPO: testing limits, punishment, and why athletes cheat

    1. BS

      Dude, we haven't talked about this on the air. We talked a little bit at the comedy store. How about your boy TJ Dillashaw?

    2. JR

      It's not good.

    3. BS

      Both our boys.

    4. JR

      Yeah, it's not good.

    5. BS

      Did you see his apology?

    6. JR

      Yeah, I did.

    7. BS

      What'd you think?

    8. JR

      Well, I mean, at least he's, uh, just straight up admitting it.

    9. BS

      I think that's what you have to do-

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. BS

      ... 'cause then you're kinda like, "Yeah, I fucked up," and then people can't really come at you.

    12. JR

      Yeah. I mean, he's being honest about it and, um, oh, I do have to correct something. He, someone wrote an article that said that Cody Garbrandt found out that TJ tested positive for his fight too and Cody went crazy. I think I got duped by a clickbait-y article.

    13. BS

      No, we all got duped.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. BS

      Everyone thought that and actually-

    16. JR

      I think somebody got us with a clickbait-y article and, uh-

    17. BS

      But everyone did.

    18. JR

      But I, I should've been more responsible, so my apologies to TJ. So they ha- I don't think there's, uh, been another one that they tested him on that he's positive, but-

    19. BS

      They're looking into it now.

    20. JR

      Here's the thing. Well, we have to... This is something that I know. Um, EPO is not always tested for.

    21. BS

      Correct, and-

    22. JR

      Did you see Dana?

    23. BS

      What'd he say?

    24. JR

      'Cause USADA's expensive as fuck. He goes, "Hold on. You guys aren't..." He had- he didn't know. He goes, "You, you guys aren't tested for EPO every time? We pay this much money-"

    25. BS

      Mm-hmm.

    26. JR

      "... for you numbnuts to show up, guys, at 3:00 in the morning and test them?"

    27. BS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      "You're not testing every time and we pay this much?" He goes, "I had no idea."

    29. BS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Well, time to cancel USADA. Thanks, boys.

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