JRE MMA Show #62 with Brendan Schaub

Joe Rogan 0:00 Let's go live.

Brendan Schaub 0:03 (whistles)

Joe Rogan 0:03 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And yee-haw. Brendan Schaub.

Brendan Schaub 0:10 What's up, dog?

Joe Rogan 0:11 Did you buy those shoes yourself?

Brendan Schaub 0:12 Yeah, I bought these.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Just wanted to check.

Brendan Schaub 0:14 A little too much flair for you?

Joe Rogan 0:16 (Blows out air) Confident-

Brendan Schaub 0:16 It's summer, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:17 ... confident move. Like, you got the tight pants around the ankles.

Brendan Schaub 0:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Just riding high enough to see the Gucci shoes.

Brendan Schaub 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 I get it, bro.

Brendan Schaub 0:25 Gucci denim, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:26 I get it.

Brendan Schaub 0:27 What's up, bro?

Joe Rogan 0:27 I get it. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 0:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:27 It works. It works. (laughs) You can pull it off.

Brendan Schaub 0:31 You were making fun of me going, "You..." (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:34 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 0:34 Yeah. I was, I was, I was saying like, "Yeah, I bet you girls like these." You're like, "Yeah, girls also like dick though, man."

Joe Rogan 0:39 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 0:41 Good point. Legit point, sir.

Joe Rogan 0:43 It's true. It's true.

Brendan Schaub 0:44 It's so true. Dude, how about these fights? Let's get into them. Oh my God, how about these fights? How about I almost didn't see them and I texted you during the broadcast.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 0:53 The ESPN+ thing was a nightmare, man.

Joe Rogan 0:55 Yeah, they had some hiccups. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 0:57 That'd be an understatement.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Yeah. That- that-

Brendan Schaub 0:59 It d-

Joe Rogan 0:59 ... that has happened before, right? With digital stuff. Digital stuff, I think, it's hard.

Brendan Schaub 1:03 It is. In 2019, though?

Joe Rogan 1:05 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 1:05 Especially with ESPN though. That's where I wa- I was just shocked. And me being like a super fan, I had to figure it out. But you know how, oh, how I had to figure it out? 'Cause it didn't work on any platform. So... And it's a hiccup where you couldn't order it off the app, so you had to close the app, order it from a desktop, then shut down something, then go to your TV. It was a nightmare.

Joe Rogan 1:24 (Whistles)

Brendan Schaub 1:24 But that didn't work for me. And then I was like, "All right." And then I slowly was missing the first fight. I'm like, "Man, I gotta figure stuff out." And then I tweeted out I was having problems and 2,000 savages sent me links to legal streams.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Legal or illegal?

Brendan Schaub 1:42 Illegal.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Illegal. But of course you didn't watch those illegal streams.

Brendan Schaub 1:45 I didn't, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Good.

Brendan Schaub 1:46 And I'm glad you pointed it out. I did not, but if I were going to-

Joe Rogan 1:49 Would it be awesome?

Brendan Schaub 1:50 ... it was awesome and clear.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Was it in HD?

Brendan Schaub 1:52 It was HD.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 1:53 And it had zero problems.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Well-

Brendan Schaub 1:54 If I was going to.

Joe Rogan 1:55 ... I'm glad you didn't because they could track you, that face recognition software.

Brendan Schaub 1:59 They could tr- They could definitely track me. It's a huge problem.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Well, it was definitely a huge problem for the first event. Um, I don't know, uh, I don't know how many people downloaded it and did it, but I bet they probably didn't see the number coming. It was a big fight. Those two fights were huge. I mean, first of all, something happened, um, I think, within the last year or so for Max Holloway, where like when Max Holloway's face goes up on the screen-

Brendan Schaub 2:26 People love it.

Joe Rogan 2:27 ... people go nuts.

Brendan Schaub 2:27 'Cause they know he throws down.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yeah, I think it was the Ortega fight. I really think that Ortega fight made him a superstar. I really do.

Brendan Schaub 2:33 The Aldo ones definitely helped them.

Joe Rogan 2:34 For sure they did.

Brendan Schaub 2:35 The back-to-back Aldo ass whoopings and then Ort- the Ortega one.

Joe Rogan 2:38 The thing that was different though is Ortega had a big following. Ortega was the young, beautiful-

Brendan Schaub 2:44 Lion.

Joe Rogan 2:45 ... lion with fantastic jujitsu, handsome guy, cool, smooth talker.

Brendan Schaub 2:49 Correct.

Joe Rogan 2:49 Looks like a champion.

Brendan Schaub 2:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Fucking everybody up. So, he had a lot of fans coming in there and they went to war. They went to war. And Max came out on top and I think Max, a lot of those p- And because they were so cool with each other during, before, and after-

Brendan Schaub 3:05 People loved it.

Joe Rogan 3:06 But dude, Max is the... He loses better than anyone on the fucking planet. W- Loses or wins, he just goes, "Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm just gonna get better."

Brendan Schaub 3:13 He doesn't lose a lot.

Joe Rogan 3:14 He doesn't.

Brendan Schaub 3:15 No.

Joe Rogan 3:15 I mean, he lost to Conor. He lost to Dustin-

Brendan Schaub 3:17 Conor when he was young. Young as fuck.

Joe Rogan 3:17 ... in his very first fight ever. You know?

Brendan Schaub 3:20 But I-

Joe Rogan 3:20 He's 20 years old.

Brendan Schaub 3:20 But I also think Max is a... 'Cause we've always said, I think both of us have been in agreement where if a guy is cutting a ton of weight and killing himself, go to the next weight class.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 3:30 I've always said that.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 3:31 Whether it was, uh, Darren Till, whether, you know, uh, Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold, Jon Jones. I'm like, "Dude, go up a weight class, dominate." And then this is kind of the first time we've seen a guy where it's like, mm, it's not that easy. 'Cause Max Holloway went up, but you could see the power wasn't there. Like, he might have... He, and he did. He landed more than, uh, Dustin Poirier, but when Dustin hi- landed, it f- You could see that it fucking counted.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Dustin is big, dude. He's big. And he, he's like-

Brendan Schaub 3:58 Remember, he used to fight at 45 though.

Joe Rogan 3:59 He used to fight at 45 and, uh, really struggled there. Um, but at 55 he's found a spot. And you look at him, he almost looks like a welterweight. I mean, he's big. He looks like Tyron Woodley size and he cuts-

Brendan Schaub 4:10 And, and-

Joe Rogan 4:10 ... a shit load of weight.

Brendan Schaub 4:11 ... and he, Max Holloway in that fight just looked like, they, they didn't look like the same-

Joe Rogan 4:15 No.

Brendan Schaub 4:15 Just, Poirier, like, fucking meaty, man.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Well, and you gotta give credit to Poirier too because if you look at the two of them, like, after the fight, there was a big difference between the amount of damage that Poirier landed. Big difference. He was hitting him with big shots. And it wasn't just big shots, it was shots, period. He was hitting him with really clean, well timed shots, with great head movement, great movement.

Brendan Schaub 4:35 How about that knee?

Joe Rogan 4:36 Dude, everything, man.

Brendan Schaub 4:37 Split open his head, man.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Yeah, everything. He did everything great. I mean, he really... That was a coming out party for Dustin Poirier in a lot of ways.

Brendan Schaub 4:44 For the common fan.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Well, yeah. Well, the people that knew him from the Gaethje fight and knew him, uh, from th- the Eddie Alvarez fight, they knew that, man, he beat these two really good guys, but Max Holloway might be one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world and I think is.

Brendan Schaub 4:58 I s- I, I think Max Holloway's-

Joe Rogan 4:59 I still think he is.

Brendan Schaub 4:59 ... the greatest 145er of all time.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 5:01 I think he's a damn good 55er, but, but, uh, 55 could be tough for Max.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Well, this is a great example of what we've always said about the differences j- between the size of people.

Brendan Schaub 5:11 Correct.

Joe Rogan 5:11 And this is a, it's a, it's, it's... First of all, I mean, all credit to, uh, Dustin Poirier 'cause he put on a phenomenal performance. He got, you know, he got tested in that fight. He came through. And we see, we even talked about it in the post-fight interview that he got hurt in the third round. He came through and just super impressive.

Brendan Schaub 5:28 Think about his wins.

Joe Rogan 5:29 He was striking. Yeah, man.

Brendan Schaub 5:30 D-

Joe Rogan 5:30 Gaethje.

Brendan Schaub 5:30 Anthony Pettis. Anthony Pettis, world champion.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 5:33 Gaethje, world champion.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 5:34 Eddie Alvarez, world champion. Max Holloway, world champion.

Joe Rogan 5:37 The Pettis one though, wasn't that an injury? I feel like Pettis got injured and they stopped the fight. Like, did he break his hand? Is that what happened?

Brendan Schaub 5:45 No.

Joe Rogan 5:46 I feel like the Pettis one was an injury.

Brendan Schaub 5:49 He had the issues with Eddie Alvarez, right? Which was a no contest.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think... Well, there was one fight where Dustin Poirier... No, yeah. I think it, I think that was it. There was one fight with Pettis-

Brendan Schaub 6:01 Remember-

Joe Rogan 6:01 ... where Pettis broke his hand and Duke Roufus stopped the fight. Remember that?

Brendan Schaub 6:03 Tony Ferguson.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Was it Tony Ferguson?

Brendan Schaub 6:04 That's Tony Ferguson.

Joe Rogan 6:05 You're right, you're right, you're right.But I think that was-

Brendan Schaub 6:07 That was a great round.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Maybe it was an injury. Oh, it was a rib, member?

Brendan Schaub 6:11 Oh, it was a rib, that's right.

Joe Rogan 6:12 D- That's right. Dustin got on top of him and hurt his rib.

Brendan Schaub 6:14 That's right. But still-

Joe Rogan 6:15 That was gross.

Brendan Schaub 6:15 ... look at Poirier's wins, man.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yeah. Well, that's a weird one too, right? It's 'cause like what are... Was that rib injury from a Poirier body shot?

Brendan Schaub 6:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 What was that from?

Brendan Schaub 6:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Or was it from the take down? Like, what was it? Something happened.

Brendan Schaub 6:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:26 I don't remember. That's right. So that's-

Brendan Schaub 6:28 But he... But Poirier's-

Joe Rogan 6:29 ... more like a, a TKO.

Brendan Schaub 6:30 Yeah, you look at Poirier's, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:32 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:32 ... his list, man. The guys-

Joe Rogan 6:33 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:33 ... that he's fought and who he's lost to, it's so impressive.

Joe Rogan 6:35 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:36 And Poirier's the guy, same thing with when Michael Bisping won, I always root for those guys. Those guys who've been around forever and they fight the best of the best. They might lose one or two here-

Joe Rogan 6:46 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 6:46 ... but they've been around for so long, you just hope there's a title at the end of their career.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:51 You just hope and it sometimes doesn't look like it's gonna happen, then when it does happen, I just... I'm just so happy for those guys.

Joe Rogan 6:56 He's such a good guy too. Dustin Poirier's-

Brendan Schaub 6:58 Great guy.

Joe Rogan 6:59 ... he's a great guy. He's smart, he's ambitious.

Brendan Schaub 7:02 Theo Von's favorite fighter.

Joe Rogan 7:03 He works hard. Dude, that was hilarious is that seeing those two guys together.

Brendan Schaub 7:06 Th- That was hilarious.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Just calling him the Rat King, the Rat King.

Brendan Schaub 7:07 They both went to the same home school.

Joe Rogan 7:09 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 7:09 How about... Theo was yelling instructions. I'm gonna... I see him tomorrow at King of the Sting-

Joe Rogan 7:13 On the fight, what's going on?

Brendan Schaub 7:13 ... I'm gonna roast the shit out of him.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Did you see him?

Brendan Schaub 7:16 Yelling, "Take him down!" I went, "What? What is happening right now?"

Joe Rogan 7:18 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 7:19 "Why does this happen?"

Joe Rogan 7:20 He was saying that?

Brendan Schaub 7:20 Yeah. Shouting instructions.

Joe Rogan 7:21 But I couldn't hear. Luckily, the UFC provides me with, uh, headphones.

Brendan Schaub 7:24 I was hoping you'd... 'Cause you would've turned around like, "Dude, what are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 7:27 I just... I love Theo, he's the best.

Brendan Schaub 7:29 He's m-... Yeah, the best.

Joe Rogan 7:30 He's such a character.

Brendan Schaub 7:31 Unique kid.

Joe Rogan 7:32 He was so happy. He was so happy.

Brendan Schaub 7:35 Me and him bet... Well, w-... I just bet because obviously him and-

Joe Rogan 7:37 You thought, um, that... What did, what did you think, Max?

Brendan Schaub 7:40 I thought it... I thought it was gonna be a great fight. I thought Max at 55, e- ev- everything was gonna carry with him. I thought Max would probably get it done, but I knew it was gonna be a good fight. I was just betting Theo 'cause Theo is boys with Dustin.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Right.

Brendan Schaub 7:50 They're from the same area. So it was just a friendly bet. I would never bet against Dustin Poirier. Look at these fools.

Joe Rogan 7:55 Hilarious. That's amazing.

Jamie Vernon 7:59 Come on, guys. Come on, guys. Uldis. Uldis. Uldis. Uldis.

Brendan Schaub 8:01 How about Theo? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:01 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:01 How about Theo? Theo, he-

Joe Rogan 8:03 That's so cool.

Brendan Schaub 8:03 Theo's never been in a fight before and he texts me halfway through, he goes, "Dude, I can't believe you did this shit."

Joe Rogan 8:09 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:09 I go, "Maybe a little respect now around King 'the Stinger,' right?"

Joe Rogan 8:11 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:11 "Maybe a little fucking respect, bro."

Joe Rogan 8:13 Yeah, he was looking at him as a complete outsider.

Brendan Schaub 8:16 He has no idea. I told him, I said, "It's super intense, man. You're seeing four of the best fighters on planet Earth."

Joe Rogan 8:22 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:22 You're seeing the very, very best.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Shootouts, man. The Kelvin Gastelum-Stylebender fight was a shootout.

Brendan Schaub 8:28 Best title fight for me I've ever watched.

Joe Rogan 8:30 (sighs)

Brendan Schaub 8:30 Ever.

Joe Rogan 8:31 It's one of the best fights of all time.

Brendan Schaub 8:32 Has to be.

Joe Rogan 8:33 It has to be. And when you see Stylebender get rocked in the first round-

Brendan Schaub 8:37 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 8:37 ... and dropped, you're like, "Holy shit."

Brendan Schaub 8:40 I think it's the best thing for-

Joe Rogan 8:41 "Holy shit."

Brendan Schaub 8:42 ... that happened to him.

Joe Rogan 8:43 It's a good thing. It's a good thing.

Brendan Schaub 8:44 I think it's a good thing. For career-wise and going forward, it's a good thing he faced a little adversity. We see that he's not gonna get hit and crumble.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 8:51 You... And I... Uh, you got one.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:53 You, you got a special dude in Stylebender.

Joe Rogan 8:55 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:55 And how good is Kelvin?

Joe Rogan 8:56 Goddamn, he's tough.

Brendan Schaub 8:57 How fast are his fucking hands?

Joe Rogan 8:59 He's so tough. He's so fucking tough. And even after all that, I mean, Stylebender was teeing off on him in that fifth round, and Kelvin is f- finding a way to survive. I'm like-

Brendan Schaub 9:08 He has a great chin.

Joe Rogan 9:09 ... this is incredible.

Brendan Schaub 9:10 Stylebender's face looked like he was allergic to s- shellfish.

Joe Rogan 9:13 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 9:13 (laughs) Did you see his face?

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yeah, his face.

Brendan Schaub 9:18 Look at his face. How ma-... That was the fourth round.

Joe Rogan 9:20 His face. He-

Brendan Schaub 9:20 What the fuck is happening right now?

Joe Rogan 9:21 ... he was in a war, man. He was in a war. Kelvin hit him with some bombs, man.

Brendan Schaub 9:23 Bombs.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 9:24 I bet, I think... And it's also, I think it's good we saw, we saw, uh, Sanya get hit, get knocked down.

Joe Rogan 9:29 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 9:30 We saw him get taken down.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 9:31 We saw what happens when he's off his back, looked pretty fucking good.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Dude, he's attacking.

Brendan Schaub 9:34 His triangle, his transitions.

Joe Rogan 9:36 He's... He had him locked up in a triangle.

Brendan Schaub 9:37 He had him locked up.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Who knows what the fuck would've happened if that was early in the fight-

Brendan Schaub 9:39 Agreed.

Joe Rogan 9:40 ... and they were dry.

Brendan Schaub 9:41 So I, I think he... Tha- that, that fight for Stylebender checked all the boxes. But also what's great about this is Kelvin's stock doesn't go down.

Joe Rogan 9:49 No.

Brendan Schaub 9:49 If anything, like, I'd, I'd watch that f-... guy fight whenever.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Whenever. And let's be honest, he's really a welterweight.

Brendan Schaub 9:55 Correct. He's-

Joe Rogan 9:56 I-

Brendan Schaub 9:56 ... super small for 185.

Joe Rogan 9:57 If Darren Till can make 170 pounds, so can Kelvin.

Brendan Schaub 10:01 It's a discipline thing, yes.

Joe Rogan 10:02 I just think there should be more weight classes. I don't even think it's r-... Uh, I don't, I don't think he's a...

Brendan Schaub 10:06 Talk to your boy, Dana, man.

Joe Rogan 10:07 He doesn't wanna listen to me.

Brendan Schaub 10:07 65, you could text and make it happen.

Joe Rogan 10:09 See, no one, no one listens to me.

Brendan Schaub 10:10 Te-

Joe Rogan 10:10 And I don't want them to.

Brendan Schaub 10:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:13 I do.

Joe Rogan 10:13 I'd rather be... just stay out here and talk about it.

Brendan Schaub 10:15 Yeah, me too.

Joe Rogan 10:16 I don't wanna be involved.

Brendan Schaub 10:16 But what happens if-

Joe Rogan 10:17 I've pushed it. I've said I think there should be a weight class every ti-... Uh, get out of here.

Brendan Schaub 10:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:22 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 10:22 We could, like, dangle the carrot and be like, "Yo, we'll do a fight campaign every time a 165-er fights."

Joe Rogan 10:26 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 10:27 "And just dangle that carrot."

Joe Rogan 10:28 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:28 He's probably still wouldn't do it.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Probably still wouldn't do it. It's, um... It's one of those things where, like, I think they like it the way it is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Brendan Schaub 10:37 Yeah, but it doesn't make sense, 'cause if you're gonna do all these interim belts, why not do 65?

Joe Rogan 10:41 I think they think that they-

Brendan Schaub 10:41 Belts on belts on belts.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Do you think they'd do... would think that it's watered down to have too many weight classes? That people would just be jumping back and forth from weight class, whi- which they would be?

Brendan Schaub 10:50 I'm talking about chaos, which I love.

Joe Rogan 10:51 But you would also have people that find a weight class where they could be at their best versus either have to bulk up or have to drop too much weight and compromise yourself.

Brendan Schaub 11:00 But here's-

Joe Rogan 11:00 It's a happy medium for a lot of guys that are not... They're not hitting that happy medium right now.

Brendan Schaub 11:04 You're... We- we're not getting their best performance.

Joe Rogan 11:06 Right.

Brendan Schaub 11:06 But here's the thing about... So if Kelvin should be at 170 here, Stylebender's a small 85-er.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 11:11 He weighed in at 183.

Joe Rogan 11:12 Yep.

Brendan Schaub 11:13 He weighed under the weight limit.

Joe Rogan 11:14 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 11:14 So-

Joe Rogan 11:15 When you look at how big some of these guys are-

Brendan Schaub 11:16 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 11:17 You see Brandon Davis?

Brendan Schaub 11:18 Dude, they're huge.

Joe Rogan 11:19 The kid that fights at 35? He was 160.

Brendan Schaub 11:21 Yeah. Dude.

Joe Rogan 11:22 It was Brandon Davis, right? Was that... Who, who said that?

Brendan Schaub 11:25 Well, some of those 85-ers, like, you look at Jacare, you look at Yoel Romero.

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yoel Romero's gigantic, dude. He looks like he can do anything.

Brendan Schaub 11:31 We'll see about... I mean, it's gonna happen. Think about Yoel Romero, Stylebender. Like, Yoel Romero's f- jacked, dude.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah. He's a big fella.

Brendan Schaub 11:38 Like, Stylebender could probably make 170 easier than-

Joe Rogan 11:41 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 11:41 ... fucking 85. I mean, 85 is a, a big weight class.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 11:45 That's why... Have you seen the talk it makes no sense, Stylebender and Jon Jones?

Joe Rogan 11:49 That's crazy.

Brendan Schaub 11:50 What are we doing? Who, who the fuck's picking up on that?

Joe Rogan 11:52 That's just 'cause they're talking shit.

Jamie Vernon 11:54 I can't find... I'm not seeing anything.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Just the last card. Just, uh...

Jamie Vernon 11:57 Oh, yeah. It does say it. I see it right here. It just says, yeah, he ballooned back up to 160 pounds.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Yeah. It was Brandon Davis, right?

Jamie Vernon 12:02 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 12:02 From 35?

Joe Rogan 12:03 He's really talented. It's crazy when I'm standing next to him that this guy w- weighed in at 35, 'cause I'm looking at him, he looked all of 165 pounds. I was like, this is... He looks so... He's 5'10", he looks so big for that 135-pound weight class. I'm like, this is crazy.

Brendan Schaub 12:16 Well, even Max at 45's fucking huge.

Joe Rogan 12:18 But the UFC Performance Institute gave him the green light to do that.

Brendan Schaub 12:21 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:22 So they must've known what they were doing.Says Davis fight with Costa was a first in the bantamweight division, said he needed to make serious sacrifices to get there. He said he cut out drinking alcohol-

Brendan Schaub 12:30 (scoffs) Damn.

Joe Rogan 12:30 ... like shit.

Brendan Schaub 12:30 Shit.

Joe Rogan 12:30 And ran 20 miles per day.

Brendan Schaub 12:32 Ugh, it's a terrible idea.

Joe Rogan 12:33 ... in order to make the weight. By the time he stepped into the Octagon at 236, he had ballooned back to-

Brendan Schaub 12:37 Let me see this-

Joe Rogan 12:38 ... 160 pounds.

Brendan Schaub 12:38 ... dude.

Joe Rogan 12:39 He's really big, man.

Brendan Schaub 12:40 Oh. He must be huge.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Well, the thing is, at the, uh, the, he was also, he was not just like tall-

Brendan Schaub 12:48 He's huge.

Joe Rogan 12:48 ... but it's like he's thick. Like, you can... It's weird how you can lose that much weight.

Brendan Schaub 12:52 But why not just fight at 45? Why kill yourself? Like, why-

Joe Rogan 12:55 20 miles a day?

Brendan Schaub 12:56 He didn't fight at 45. He fought Zabit, uh, his last fight. Well.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah, Zabit and Magomed Sharipov. Um, Zabit got him in that crazy arm bar from the back-

Brendan Schaub 13:05 Yeah, I remember that.

Joe Rogan 13:06 ... or leg, leg lock from the back.

Brendan Schaub 13:07 The leg lock?

Joe Rogan 13:07 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 13:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Which is so nasty. From-

Brendan Schaub 13:09 Filthy.

Joe Rogan 13:09 ... back mount.

Brendan Schaub 13:10 Filthy.

Joe Rogan 13:10 That's nasty.

Brendan Schaub 13:11 There was two that night.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Yeah. Oof, I know, it's crazy. That's a crazy move, right?

Brendan Schaub 13:14 Crazy. But think, when I think of 185ers, think of Luke Rockhold.

Joe Rogan 13:18 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 13:18 He's huge, man.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yep. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 13:20 That's a big ass-

Joe Rogan 13:21 He's huge. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 13:22 But then Whittaker's not like-

Joe Rogan 13:23 I think Luke's done-

Brendan Schaub 13:23 ... freakish big.

Joe Rogan 13:24 I think Luke's done with 85.

Brendan Schaub 13:26 Yeah, he's at 205 now.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Is it 100%-

Brendan Schaub 13:27 But I'm just saying.

Joe Rogan 13:27 ... or is he just gonna do it for one fight?

Brendan Schaub 13:28 No, at 100%, he, he has a fight lined up already.

Joe Rogan 13:30 But it, I mean, is he gonna stay there or is he just doing it for one fight?

Brendan Schaub 13:32 Pretty sure he's staying there.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Probably a good idea, man.

Brendan Schaub 13:34 But then you look at Whittaker, who's, yeah, 85. He's not-

Joe Rogan 13:37 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 13:39 ... huge. He's stocky, but he's not, like, huge.

Joe Rogan 13:40 He's, like, the perfect size, Whittaker, 'cause he still can knock out anybody, but he's got awesome cardio and pace.

Brendan Schaub 13:47 Strong too.

Joe Rogan 13:47 He's strong. I mean, he's not as strong as Yoel Romero, but he's strong enough-

Brendan Schaub 13:51 Who is?

Joe Rogan 13:51 ... to hold him off. No one is.

Brendan Schaub 13:53 Who is?

Joe Rogan 13:53 No one is.

Brendan Schaub 13:54 That guy's a freak.

Joe Rogan 13:54 You gotta get that, that Cuban gene pool to get that.

Brendan Schaub 13:57 Oh, my God, dawg.

Joe Rogan 13:58 There's... You know what I'm saying? Like, there's, there's certain gene pools, like that fucking mountain from Game of Thrones, there's some gene pools out there, man.

Brendan Schaub 14:04 With it, yeah, and then when he's throwing steroids in that pool, you get a freak.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Oh, heck, oh, you do throw steroids-

Brendan Schaub 14:08 Did you see he admitted to it?

Joe Rogan 14:10 ... in that pool, too. (laughs) Of course he did. Of course he did. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:12 How... Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 14:13 He was like, "Yeah, no shit."

Joe Rogan 14:15 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 14:15 And then when they kept asking about it, they go, "Are you currently taking them?" He goes, "Listen, I don't really wanna talk about this."

Joe Rogan 14:19 Hmm?

Brendan Schaub 14:20 He's like, "Yeah, no, of course I am, man."

Joe Rogan 14:21 Why are they asking questions like that?

Brendan Schaub 14:22 I don't know. It's the Strongest Man Contest.

Joe Rogan 14:24 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:24 But think about... (laughs) Come on.

Joe Rogan 14:26 (laughs) Yeah, but, dude-

Brendan Schaub 14:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:27 ... who's gonna win? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:28 Who gives a fuck? How about, uh, Stylebender versus Whittaker?

Joe Rogan 14:32 Yeah, man.

Brendan Schaub 14:32 The all Oceanic fight. Are you really gonna fly to Australia for that pay-per-view?

Joe Rogan 14:36 I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about it.

Brendan Schaub 14:36 Dude, there ain't, there ain't two dudes on this planet that can get me to fly to Australia.

Joe Rogan 14:40 Two?

Brendan Schaub 14:41 There's not. It, no dudes on this planet-

Joe Rogan 14:43 You wanna be there live though or something-

Brendan Schaub 14:44 No, Joe.

Joe Rogan 14:45 ... like Epic?

Brendan Schaub 14:45 ... I'd rather be here. I'd rather be here. ♪ Don't ta- ta- ta- ♪ You're crazy.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Mm.

Brendan Schaub 14:49 I love Australia, but...

Joe Rogan 14:51 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 14:51 Now, if Rihanna was like, "Yo, dude, get to Australia." Like, I'm on my way. (blows raspberry) Say no more, fam. No.

Joe Rogan 14:57 But not two dudes.

Brendan Schaub 14:58 Yeah, but that fight, dude, I wanna see that fight in the flesh. Live? You're gonna do it?

Joe Rogan 15:03 I think I might. I wanna see that, uh, goes down.

Brendan Schaub 15:07 (inhales deeply) That's a great fight.

Joe Rogan 15:08 I wanna see... Whittaker is a fucking animal, man.

Brendan Schaub 15:11 I think it was about his injuries.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Just think about how much pain that guy had to be in to, and almost fight with a hernia and a ruptured... He had a ruptured rectum, right?

Brendan Schaub 15:20 Was it ruptured rectum? I thought it was just a hernia.

Joe Rogan 15:23 No, no, no, no, no.

Brendan Schaub 15:23 I think his rectum's fine.

Joe Rogan 15:24 No, no, I think he had two major injuries.

Brendan Schaub 15:27 No, I know, I know it was intestines were popping through.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Yeah, but I think it was another one.

Brendan Schaub 15:31 Damn, his rectum was fucked up too?

Joe Rogan 15:32 Yeah. So, isn't that... Didn't he have a tear?

Brendan Schaub 15:34 Is that called a-

Joe Rogan 15:35 Jamie'll find out.

Brendan Schaub 15:35 ... hemorrhoid?

Joe Rogan 15:36 No, no, no, like a tear.

Brendan Schaub 15:38 In his ass?

Joe Rogan 15:38 Well, you know, you think about the-

Brendan Schaub 15:40 Do, Dwight Howard had that?

Joe Rogan 15:42 ... fucking strain from sparring. Just think about getting taken down while you're trying to throw a kick. You land fucked up on your hip.

Brendan Schaub 15:48 Never ripped my asshole.

Joe Rogan 15:48 You could rip your asshole.

Brendan Schaub 15:49 I, I'm just saying I never have.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Catch a kick? You could catch a kick in the asshole.

Brendan Schaub 15:53 Totally, yes.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Yeah, easily, dude.

Brendan Schaub 15:54 For sure.

Joe Rogan 15:54 For sure.

Brendan Schaub 15:55 People lose eyes.

Joe Rogan 15:56 How about someone misses a spinning back kick low and it just catches your taint?

Brendan Schaub 16:00 Oh, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:01 Just the heel hits your taint and rips your taint away from the bone. (gasps) That shit happens.

Brendan Schaub 16:07 I wonder what I, I'd, I'd... Ugh.

Joe Rogan 16:10 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:10 I don't even know what the odds would be. I would assume Whittaker's a slight favorite in that fight.

Joe Rogan 16:14 I would say so.

Brendan Schaub 16:15 Yeah, I would say, you know, given-

Joe Rogan 16:17 Based off what Kelvin did?

Brendan Schaub 16:18 Well, based off what Kelvin did, based off Whittaker's, uh, two fights with Yoel, he's been the only guy to hold Yoel off. Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Although I have, have said that I did think that Yoel won the second fight.

Brendan Schaub 16:27 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 16:28 I thought Yoel... Or, I think the-

Brendan Schaub 16:29 But it could go either way, I thought.

Joe Rogan 16:30 ... new scoring, Yoel had him rocked and hurt. By the new scoring, I felt like it should've been worth more.

Brendan Schaub 16:36 You thought it should've been a 10-8?

Joe Rogan 16:38 Yeah, I mean, he had him almost out.

Brendan Schaub 16:39 Hurt.

Joe Rogan 16:40 He had him, uh, staggered. We didn't see him do that to Yoel. But, but he did survive.

Brendan Schaub 16:46 But he won more rounds and survived.

Joe Rogan 16:47 He did. He survived. He won more rounds. It's like how much are those-

Brendan Schaub 16:50 I don't have a problem with a draw.

Joe Rogan 16:51 If you're watching a fight, if a fight is a fight. If it w- I mean, and I understand it's a sport, but it's the sport of fighting. If you're watching a fight and one guy is really fucking a guy up, and the other guy never does that, who do you think won that fight?

Brendan Schaub 17:06 You can't do that though.

Joe Rogan 17:07 Do you think the guy that move... You're right, you can't.

Brendan Schaub 17:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:08 But do you think the guy that just moves around and touches him with the ja... And I'm not saying that's what Whittaker did, but just, just as a what if. If a guy's just moving around for four rounds and he's touching you with the jab and leg kicking you and shutting you up.

Brendan Schaub 17:20 You feel like fighting in the street?

Joe Rogan 17:21 But then in the fifth round, you knock him down four times, you beat the fuck out of him, and you, he's running away from you, his nose gets bloodied, you end the fight with your hand raised without a mark on your face and the other guy's face is pizza.

Brendan Schaub 17:34 Maybe. I'd look at my boys and be like, "Damn, for that first 20, that boy was moving."

Joe Rogan 17:37 Right, right, right. It's a que- it's a good question. 'Cause, like, what, how much is that round worth?

Brendan Schaub 17:42 A- as a sport, though.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Right.

Brendan Schaub 17:43 Yeah, that's what it, it-

Joe Rogan 17:44 'Cause as a sport-

Brendan Schaub 17:45 It's the, it's the-

Joe Rogan 17:45 ... you have to judge it as-

Brendan Schaub 17:46 ... cumulative.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Yeah, if you're gonna judge it on a scorecard, you have to be... It has to be cumulative. The question is like, how much is it worth for a guy to really take it to a guy and almost stop him?

Brendan Schaub 17:57 See, I don't, I don't think there should-

Joe Rogan 17:58 Because it gets-

Brendan Schaub 17:58 ... be more draws. I don't have a problem with a draw.

Joe Rogan 18:00 I don't have a problem with a draw either.

Brendan Schaub 18:00 Like, with that fight, if it was a draw, I'm like, "That makes sense. Redo it, let's get a clear-cut winner."

Joe Rogan 18:04 I think when a person gets really rocked like that, it's worth more than a point. I think it's worth more than two points. I think it's worth a lot.

Brendan Schaub 18:11 Oh, you think it should be, like, 10-7 rounds?

Joe Rogan 18:13 I think it's a big deal.

Brendan Schaub 18:14 God, then you're fucked, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:15 You're fucked.

Brendan Schaub 18:16 You can never come back.

Joe Rogan 18:16 But you are fucked. In real life, you're fucked.

Brendan Schaub 18:17 Because of a ref... Well, no. Because the ref gets-

Joe Rogan 18:19 In real life, you're kind of fucked, right? Like, you, the, the idea that you could go through a round, you don't know who won, right? A round where it's, like, a lot of feeling out, a lot of touching, you know, the this and the that. And, you know... Okay, perfect example. First round, Anderson Silva versus Stylebender.

Brendan Schaub 18:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Okay? You could give it to Stylebender for sure, but it was, it was, uh, a round where they were feeling each other out.

Brendan Schaub 18:40 Either way.

Joe Rogan 18:40 There was, there was not one big moment where St-... Oh, my God, Stylebender's taking over, this fight is almost done.So that's 10-9. But yet another fight where a guy beats the shit out of a guy and doesn't drop him, and they have exchanges, but the guy gets rocked and hurt. Is that 10-9 too? 10-9. I know it's weird. What if he head kicks him- Yeah, that's a good point. ... and drops him and the guy barely survives? Yeah. He hammer fists him at the end of the bell. It's 10-9. Is it 10-9? I know. In the old system it is, but what is it in the new system? Is it 10-8? But if it's... If even if it's 10-8, I think it should be more than 10-8. Like that guy almost went out- But the only thing is you're f- f-... But the only thing is you're fucked. Yeah. Let's say you do a 10-6 or 10-7- Yep. Right. ... then you get dropped, it's gonna be tough... You gotta get a finish. Well, here's the argument against what I'm saying. Here's the argument against it. Frankie Edgar versus Gray Maynard. Hmm. Especially the first one, right? Gray Maynard drops him, has him badly hurt in the first round. Frankie manages to survive and come back and win enough rounds and win the fight. That's the exception though. But it is the exception. Well, it's kinda like- If you gave him, like, five points for that round. Yeah. Well, it's kinda like with, uh, Rountree and

Joe Rogan 19:40 Erik Anders. Dude. How the fuck did... Were people scoring those rounds 10-9? Dude. Yeah, that's ridiculous. What the fuck are you doing? That's a perfect example. What are you doing? That's a perfect example. How is that a 10-9? Dude. That wasn't a competitive fight. How good does Rountree look? (laughs) How good? Dude. Oh, you said something on the broadcast, and everyone said everyone's... Someone's booking a trip to Phuket. (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. (laughs) Someone get the kids right now all across this world- Everyone... Every fighter's like, "Where the fuck was he at?" They're making fucking plane trips to Phuket. Yeah. My, my, my only thing is with that is- Jesus Christ, man. ... what's the grappling like out there? Hey, man. I don't know, man, but get somebody to help him. Get somebody. That motherfucker, he throws- He looks so good. ... some of the nastiest inside leg kicks, and so fast, and he was total Thai style. I wish I could lift my arms up. These tennis elbow shots got my shoulders hurt. Oh. And you could tell he was just in it, and just- Total Thai style but with a light front leg. He was feeling it. Dude, his timing, his speed was off the charts. He fucked his leg up. I hope Erik Anders posted a picture today about it. But, um- How tough... First of all, how fucking tough is Erik Anders? His coaches, "What are you doing?" Yeah. "This is not a title fight." Right. "This... There's nothing really on the line here. It's just not his day." They couldn't ask him to quit. He didn't game plan for a fucking- They couldn't ask him to quit. They just wouldn't ask him to quit. He's so fucking tough. But that's... Coaches have to... He's so tough. Crimson Tide alumni monster. Did you hear what Jon Anik said? What'd he say? He said... He goes, he goes, he loves when he fights because then Bruce Buffer has to say, "Ya boy." (laughs) Oh, really? (laughs) 'Cause that's his nickname. That's hilarious. Erik "Ya Boy" Anders. That's hilarious. Dude, he's a... He's a bad motherfucker. What a nickname, Ya Boy. He's a bad motherfucker, 'cause that guy does not have a long history of mixed martial arts like a lot of these guys. Athletic man. Way more athletic than the rest. Yeah, a... Way... Than a lot of them, but look, Khalil's athletic as fuck too, man. You know he used to be 320 pounds? Yeah, he was huge. Yeah. Have y- have you met him in photos? I've seen great guy. Great guy. He seems like a great guy. Used to train with him, monster. I'm just so... Well, I was impressed when he knocked out Gokhan Saki. And then, um, I know he lost to Johnny Walker, who's just a beast and a freak. I don't know what to make of Johnny Walker yet. Hoo, he's scary. I'm on the train, but I'm kinda like- I'm on. Where are we at? I'm on the fucking toot-a-toot. I'm on the... Me too. I'm pulling the horn. And I'm on the back like, "Let's go, Johnny." Johnny Wa... He's a bad motherfucker, dude. He's something special. He's something special. I'm not... I'm not- I hope he didn't hurt his fucking shoulder when he fell- I know. ... when he did that worm thing. I know. I hope, I hope he didn't really hurt himself, 'cause if he really hurt himself and they can't fix that, that would be a damn shame if the way he got injured is falling down playing around after an... a spectacular victory. I thought he came out and said he was fine though. His manager said he's fine. Well, he would say that. I would say that too. Yeah, me too. You gotta tell everybody you're fine. "We'll fix this. We'll fix this." He does look like a freak though. Who knows? He's a freak, dude. He has crazy power. Crazy power. He's scary. And he caught Khalil with, uh, an elbow- In the clinch. ... with one of those up... One of those elbows where your hands up high in, like, Thai style. In the clinch. In the clinch. But it was beautiful. Flatlined him. It was... But the way he did it though, like, the tech-... Look, anybody gets flatlined with that fucking elbow. Anybody. That guy hits hard and his- But how about that's the fight- His technique is- That was the reason why Khalil went to Thailand. Yes. That's what I was gonna say. He's like, "Oh, fuck this noise." It's beautiful. And now he's all in. He's like... He's moving there. He's gonna move his family there. He's gonna do all his camps out of there. That's so intense. It's so intense. But when you have results like that, like, I love it. I love a story like that. I love a story like that till a grappler comes around and goes, "Muay Thai." (laughs) "That's cool. Thailand, riding elephants and shit. Check this out." Yeah, but doesn't like- That's what I'm worried about. ... Phuket Top Team and a lot of those places out there in AKA, aka, uh, Mike Swick's place, they must have wrestling. I'm sure, right? Mike Swick came out of AKA American Kickboxing Academy. That's true. But Mike Swick wasn't exactly a wrestler. No. Well, he- But he knows the deal. ... was always with wrestlers though. Yeah, you're right. I mean, he knew how to wrestle. Swick could do everything. Yeah, it's true. You know? Maybe he's been in the game- Swick was beautiful. I'm sure they got- Bad motherfucker. But is that where he's at? AKA out there? Yeah, he's got his place out there. But now I'm saying, is that where Khalil's at? I do not know where Khalil is at. I think he's at straight kicking bamboo- No, no. I think he's doing the real deal. ... Reinhardt style. Yeah. He actually- Drinking coconuts, hanging out with lady boys. He actually posted... Go to his, um... See if you can go to Khalil Rountree Jr's Instagram page, 'cause he posted thanks after the fight. Um- There's a lot of people doing it. Yeah. Well, a lot of people are going to Thailand. I think there's something to it, man. Learning in the motherland with those dudes, you know, watching those guys work out and train, just to be in that environment, it's like- It's good for the soul. You know what it would be like? He's the nicest guy, Joe. The nicest guy out there. Yeah, that's Khalil's Instagram. That's me and him and his, his crew taking the photo. You know, he used to work at, like, a MMA warehouse and sell shirts when he was 300 pounds and was like, "Dude, I wanna fight." That's crazy. See if, um, there's a thank... Go, go to the... Back to the, um... Oh, that's it right there. No, sorry, go back to that one. See there, it says teddybearpeachyindiboxing. See that? Click on that. Click on that. That's the dude. I think that's, that's the gym. So he's with- Or that's one of his friends. One championship. See, that's him. He's training with him right there. There you go. That's the gym there? Yeah. Oh, that's not what I'm thinking. See, I wanna... Damn, that dude is in shape. (laughs) I wanna see... It's, uh... (laughs) Listen, you want Khalil Rountree Jr kicking you, he's probably better off in that shape. Give you fucking... Yeah, he gotta be shaped like a Thai snowman. So that- Um... Dude was probably his pads guy that helped him with his pads. He's doing work, man. Yeah. Damn, look at the legs on that fucking Thai dude. That dude's thick. Bro. That dude's thick. That dude's... (laughs) He's on that Western diet, son.

Brendan Schaub 24:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:49 It's like, pass on the Pad Thai and get me the Donald Trump.

Brendan Schaub 24:51 Pad Thai, fuck that noise.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Ugh. But, um-

Brendan Schaub 24:54 Man, but there's something to... I think it's good for the soul.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Might be. So being over there you mean?

Brendan Schaub 24:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:58 There's something about Khalil, man. Oh, this is a... Jamie's doing this just to make us laugh.

Brendan Schaub 25:03 (laughs) Thank you, dude.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch.

Brendan Schaub 25:05 I... Shout out to that guy.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Yeah. Um, there's something about, uh, being in a place where something was invented that must give you, like, some extra juice.

Brendan Schaub 25:12 Have you ever done jujitsu in Brazil?

Joe Rogan 25:14 No. But imagine-

Brendan Schaub 25:15 It's a special place. I mean, they hate white people, (laughs) but special place.

Joe Rogan 25:18 No, they don't. No.

Brendan Schaub 25:18 No, they hated me, but yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:20 Hated you.

Brendan Schaub 25:20 Especially when you're fighting Nogueira doing jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Of course they're gonna hate you if you fight Nogueira.

Brendan Schaub 25:24 Yeah. Yeah, it was funny.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah. And you're a jujitsu guy.

Brendan Schaub 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Yeah. You came from jujitsu, so for you to fight Nou-... That was the thing, like, right? Like, if you fought a jujitsu guy... And remember the early days? If a jujitsu guy fought a jujitsu guy, it'd be a real issue-

Brendan Schaub 25:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:36 ... in the jujitsu community.

Brendan Schaub 25:38 W-

Joe Rogan 25:38 Like, "Why don't you fight somebody else?"

Brendan Schaub 25:39 Well, remember with Anderson, he didn't want to fight other Brazilians.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Oh, that's right.

Brendan Schaub 25:42 And we fought, like, Talos Leites and-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 25:44 ... Demian Maia.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 25:45 It was, like, the worst fights ever.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Yes, that's right.

Brendan Schaub 25:48 Strange.

Joe Rogan 25:48 Isn't that weird? The, the Talos Leites fight is, like, almost like he just kinda let him survive. You know?

Brendan Schaub 25:54 It's because he's Brazilian.

Joe Rogan 25:55 That's crazy. I wonder-

Brendan Schaub 25:57 White people don't fuck each other up.

Joe Rogan 25:58 No, I think it's, like, a... Do you think it's a nationalistic thing? You think they made, like-

Brendan Schaub 26:02 They take care of each other?

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yeah. Or do you think-

Brendan Schaub 26:05 I think for a little bit.

Joe Rogan 26:05 ... it's just that Talos Leites was good? He didn't want to take any chances, rather just win on points?

Brendan Schaub 26:10 I don't think so. No, I think it's too much a respect thing.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Really?

Brendan Schaub 26:12 Yeah, I think so. So you think it was a Brazil thing?

Joe Rogan 26:14 Although with Vitor Belfort-

Brendan Schaub 26:15 Now, that was a different thing.

Joe Rogan 26:15 ... and since it was, like, cool story, flick to the face.

Brendan Schaub 26:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:19 But, but the thing with, um, Demian Maia was they had, like, a real problem. There was some sort of, like, real, uh, animosity between them 'cause remember Demian Maia, uh, like, he was-

Brendan Schaub 26:28 Oh, with the mask?

Joe Rogan 26:29 Yeah. No, no, that was Vitor.

Brendan Schaub 26:30 You're right.

Joe Rogan 26:31 But he, he was yelling at Demian Maia over there.

Brendan Schaub 26:33 Oh, that's right and Demian-

Joe Rogan 26:34 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 26:34 ... was like, thou-... "This is disrespectful. Brazilians don't act this way."

Joe Rogan 26:37 Yeah. Yeah. There was something going on there when, uh, when he was fighting other Brazilians. It sucked.

Brendan Schaub 26:41 And then he-

Joe Rogan 26:42 (clears throat)

Brendan Schaub 26:42 He blew himself out going after Demian Maia, and then coasted for the last few rounds, remember?

Joe Rogan 26:47 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 26:48 And that was a big deal.

Joe Rogan 26:49 Was it in Dubai?

Brendan Schaub 26:49 Everybody was mad... It was in Dubai. And-

Joe Rogan 26:51 And Chris Weidman fought on the same card.

Brendan Schaub 26:53 And B.J. Penn. That's when Frankie Edgar beat B.J. Penn.

Joe Rogan 26:55 That's right.

Brendan Schaub 26:56 That's who won the title.

Joe Rogan 26:57 I h- I heard there... I heard Khabib's next fight might be in Dubai in September.

Brendan Schaub 27:01 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Dude, Khabib is-

Brendan Schaub 27:03 Pack your bags, he's Dustin.

Joe Rogan 27:04 Khabib versus Dustin. Oof, that is, that is going to be wild. That's gonna be wild.

Brendan Schaub 27:09 That's... Yeah. That's a tough fucking fight-

Joe Rogan 27:12 Dude, Dust-

Brendan Schaub 27:12 ... man.

Joe Rogan 27:12 Dustin can crack. He can crack.

Brendan Schaub 27:13 Dustin can crack.

Joe Rogan 27:15 He can crack. I mean, he's a, he's an interesting cat. It's like, how good is he gonna be able to fend off that grappling?

Brendan Schaub 27:22 How good can anyone defend it off?

Joe Rogan 27:23 It's gonna be hard.

Brendan Schaub 27:24 No one can.

Joe Rogan 27:25 It's gonna be hard.

Brendan Schaub 27:26 I'll tell you what the fight is. And I, I had him on my show. It was Justin Gaethje.

Joe Rogan 27:29 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 27:30 And he-

Joe Rogan 27:30 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 27:30 ... was like, "Dude, I'd love to fight Khabib." He's like, "What's he gonna do to me?" He was like, "Take you down."

Joe Rogan 27:35 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 27:35 He's like, "I can wrestle my ass off and I scramble." That's where he gets guys in the scramble. And he goes-

Joe Rogan 27:39 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 27:39 ... "That's what I specialize in."

Joe Rogan 27:41 He's a wild man, you know. Uh, one thing I believe is-

Brendan Schaub 27:44 He doesn't like being called wild.

Joe Rogan 27:44 ... he's... He... I believe he... I believe he would wanna fight. I don't mean wild like he's not calculating, but I mean wild in that he takes risks.

Brendan Schaub 27:54 Correct.

Joe Rogan 27:55 He calculates his ability to perform in those risks, but he forces action. And that's-

Brendan Schaub 27:59 He wants chaos.

Joe Rogan 28:00 ... one of the reasons why... Yeah. He forces action. It's, it's d- definitely technical. But he's, he's a risk-taker. He's not laying back. Like, if we just talked about Anderson Silva versus Talos Leites, that was a n-... That was not a risk-taking fight.

Brendan Schaub 28:12 Terrible fight.

Joe Rogan 28:12 That motherfucker never has fights (laughs) like that.

Brendan Schaub 28:14 Never.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Justin Gaethje-

Brendan Schaub 28:15 You know what he says?

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... comes, he takes your, he takes your soul.

Brendan Schaub 28:17 He s-... He says he fights that way because he doesn't have the car-... He goes, "I... The way I fight, I don't have the cardio to go fight. Like, my style isn't conservative. I have to get it in."

Joe Rogan 28:27 Jesus.

Brendan Schaub 28:27 Well, with Khabib, that, those are issues, man.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 28:31 That motherfucker will go all five.

Joe Rogan 28:32 All five.

Brendan Schaub 28:33 And he's big.

Joe Rogan 28:34 I don't know who's going to beat Khabib. He's big too. Khabib- I don't know who's gonna beat Khabib.

Brendan Schaub 28:37 ... struggled for 55. He struggled.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Khabib's scary, man. Until he got, like, his nutrition on track, remember? He'd had some issues. He's a fucking phenomenal grappler.

Brendan Schaub 28:47 I don't know who's gonna beat him.

Joe Rogan 28:48 He's so good. His grappling is so good. When he tied up Conor's legs in that first round-

Brendan Schaub 28:52 Oh, my God, dude.

Joe Rogan 28:52 ... I was like, "Jesus Christ." This is early on.

Brendan Schaub 28:55 I think maybe Tony Ferguson, Tony-

Joe Rogan 28:57 Tony Ferguson has a real good chance of making it interesting because of his own wrestling and his scramble ability. Tony's a wild scrambler.

Brendan Schaub 29:03 You ready for this? Tony Ferguson, Gaethje. They're both-

Joe Rogan 29:06 Oh, my God.

Brendan Schaub 29:06 ... available.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Chaos.

Brendan Schaub 29:07 Everyone else is matched up.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Chaos.

Brendan Schaub 29:09 Chaos. Really chaos.

Joe Rogan 29:11 But I bet Tony is pissed and wants a shot at the title, which, um, you know, he was on his way to that when his knee ripped apart at a, uh, a fucking promotional thing.

Brendan Schaub 29:21 UFC tonight thing.

Joe Rogan 29:21 It's so crazy, tripping on-

Brendan Schaub 29:23 Blows me up.

Joe Rogan 29:23 ... a wire is a freak incident.

Brendan Schaub 29:25 Talk about a guy-

Joe Rogan 29:25 You know?

Brendan Schaub 29:25 ... who deserves the title shot.

Joe Rogan 29:27 Yes. And a guy who people have kind of, like, forgotten in the mix of all these killers. There's so many 55-pounders that are just straight-up killers now.

Brendan Schaub 29:34 Monsters.

Joe Rogan 29:35 You know? I mean, it's... What a, what a wild division.

Brendan Schaub 29:39 Dude, when you look at 55, 70, and 85, it's... There's never been a better time to be a UFC fan.

Joe Rogan 29:45 No.

Brendan Schaub 29:45 It is murders fucking row.

Joe Rogan 29:48 It really is, man.

Brendan Schaub 29:48 Yeah. You look at it and you're like, "Oh, my God."

Joe Rogan 29:49 It really is.

Brendan Schaub 29:50 Like, I was looking up the match-ups for Stylebender and I'm like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 29:54 Whew.

Brendan Schaub 29:54 These are scary-

Joe Rogan 29:55 So many fights. I look at one-

Brendan Schaub 29:56 Who's 70?

Joe Rogan 29:57 ... the scariest for, for y-... If you had to think of Stylebender? Is Yoel Romero the scariest fight for him?

Brendan Schaub 30:01 That's a pretty scary fight.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Like stylistically, right?

Brendan Schaub 30:03 He's scary for everybody.

Joe Rogan 30:05 He's scary for everybody.

Brendan Schaub 30:06 Still.

Joe Rogan 30:07 40 years old. Jesus Christ.

Brendan Schaub 30:09 Every bit of it too and just-

Joe Rogan 30:10 Every bit of it.

Brendan Schaub 30:10 ... monster.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Monster. And so explosive. And the fucking wrestling. His wrestling is on... It's from another planet.

Brendan Schaub 30:17 And then you see it getting explosive-

Joe Rogan 30:19 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 30:19 ... when he's striking.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah. He'll fuck you up. He'll spinning back fist you. You always gotta worry-

Brendan Schaub 30:24 God, he's a fucking-

Joe Rogan 30:24 ... about him exploding.

Brendan Schaub 30:25 ... nightmare, man.

Joe Rogan 30:25 'Cause you gotta worry about him exploding. If you try to catch a break, if you're like... you- you know, you're standing on the outside and you're both breathing and you're moving. You're like, "Maybe this is the time I'm gonna catch a break," and then all of a sudden, he flying knees you in the face and you didn't see it coming.

Brendan Schaub 30:38 And whether you're Whittaker or Stylebender, whoever wins that fight in Australia, you're... you got Yoel Romero next.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 30:43 He's number one. I'm sure he's gonna fight-

Joe Rogan 30:45 The question with him is-

Brendan Schaub 30:45 ... before then, but...

Joe Rogan 30:46 ... how much longer can he do that?

Brendan Schaub 30:48 When's Father Time go, "Yoel, you're special, but-"

Joe Rogan 30:50 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 30:50 "... let's go."

Joe Rogan 30:51 Yeah. When is it, you know?

Brendan Schaub 30:53 But Whitaker also might- might, the thing with Whitaker is he gets seriously injured after every fight and has to have surgery. When's that gonna catch up with him?

Joe Rogan 31:01 Well-

Brendan Schaub 31:01 And Stylebender's healthy as fuck.

Joe Rogan 31:03 I think ... That's true but I think-

Brendan Schaub 31:03 Allergic to shellfish, but healthy as fuck.

Joe Rogan 31:06 (laughs) When you're that good and you go that hard, I mean, to train as hard as he must train to be as good as Robert Whitaker is, the human body, like ... Look, Cain Velasquez is the great example of that, right? A guy who's body-

Brendan Schaub 31:17 But Cain was never that explosive like those guys.

Joe Rogan 31:19 Right. But he has unbelievable work ethic.

Brendan Schaub 31:22 Correct.

Joe Rogan 31:22 That's, that's part of what it is, man.

Brendan Schaub 31:24 Correct.

Joe Rogan 31:24 It's just the, the ability to push through pain, the ability to just keep working and working and working and work, and grind and attack. And that way, when you're in those fights, like, a guy like Cain would put it on people to the point where they couldn't believe it was real. They were like, "This doesn't even make sense," like, "How is he coming after me still?" Like, "How is he not tired? What the fuck is going on here?"

Brendan Schaub 31:45 But you know who can do that and des- decides whether or not he's gonna do it is Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Jon Jones can do that.

Brendan Schaub 31:51 He can do this. What, and not suffering from those kind of injuries.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Nothing.

Brendan Schaub 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 And Jon goes, "What style do you do? You're a grinder?"

Brendan Schaub 31:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:56 "Let me show you how to grind."

Brendan Schaub 31:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:57 "Oh, you're a striking, oh, you're a striking expert? Let me show you how to strike." Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 32:01 He's so fucking good, man.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Why is Stylebender and Jon Jones, why are they talking shit to each other?

Brendan Schaub 32:06 I-

Joe Rogan 32:06 Do you know what started it?

Brendan Schaub 32:07 Uh, yeah. Um, Jon did a, it ... Originally it started, it did start with Jon. He came out in an interview and goes, "You know, Stylebender's looking good. He's fighting at 85. It's only a matter of time before I think we cross paths."

Joe Rogan 32:19 Mm.

Brendan Schaub 32:19 Which is silly. And then Stylebender, I think TMZ asked him, he's like, "Oh, I already beat one GOAT. I need another one. You know, I'm just getting started."

Joe Rogan 32:27 Oh, Jesus.

Brendan Schaub 32:27 But if you're Jon, why are you even engaging in this? Why are you punching down?

Joe Rogan 32:31 It's great for Jon-

Brendan Schaub 32:32 (coughs) Because Santos-

Joe Rogan 32:34 It's great for Jon-

Brendan Schaub 32:35 Well ...

Joe Rogan 32:35 It's great for Jon because he wants to let everybody know, "Hey, I'm the best motherfucker on the planet."

Brendan Schaub 32:39 But we know this.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Like, if this guy's ... Yeah, but he wants to let everybody know. Like, when he's, when there's a card that's about someone ... I mean, he's active now, right? Jon Jones got momentum now.

Brendan Schaub 32:46 He's-

Joe Rogan 32:47 Th- uh, think about ho- where he's at right now. He's in his 30s, right? L- l- long-ass fucking career as champion, as the best ever.

Brendan Schaub 32:53 Correct.

Joe Rogan 32:53 He's on a run right now. That's what I think. I think they took it away from him for all those months when he tested positive, that long suspension, all that time off, all money that he should've made, all the legacy that he could've laid down. And then now I think, I think he's just fucking chasing it and the best-

Brendan Schaub 33:08 I'm all about it.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 33:09 100% all about it.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 33:10 However, f- talking to 80- uh, 183-pounder is kinda silly.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Yeah, but what if you say that in an interview? I don't think that's that disrespectful.

Brendan Schaub 33:17 I don't either. I don't either.

Joe Rogan 33:18 The way he said it is that one day maybe we're gonna fight.

Brendan Schaub 33:20 Yeah, but then Stylebender, you know, TMZ asked them.

Joe Rogan 33:22 Right. Of course.

Brendan Schaub 33:22 They don't give a shit about fighting. They're like, "Oh, this guy's big, this guy's big, they're both black, let's fight." They have no idea.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 33:27 You know, that's what they think.

Joe Rogan 33:29 Right.

Brendan Schaub 33:29 So then it, then it gets picked up. But then also, I think Jon Jones is the hot, you know, senior in high school, and Stylebender's the new freshman who's hot, and it's like Mean Girls. Like, "Fuck that dude."

Joe Rogan 33:40 It's also I wonder how much of this is, like, they all agree is good for business.

Brendan Schaub 33:44 It's entertainment.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah, it's good for business.

Brendan Schaub 33:45 Well, look at Conor. Any time there's a fight, blast something out.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Yeah. Well, not just blast something out. I mean, Conor's real good about that, but, like, the way he's able to turn these shit talking back and forths into publicity for fights. They all, there is real shit talking, it is psychological warfare, but it also hypes people up to no end. Like, the Khabib fight. All the craziness that led to that ... Obviously that backfired when Khabib tried to fucking attack him after it was over and was, it was, and it jumped into the crowd-

Brendan Schaub 34:13 Right. (laughs) Even that helped though.

Joe Rogan 34:13 And then all the other people punched him in the head and all that craziness that happened.

Brendan Schaub 34:16 Khabib's never been bigger.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Yeah. Look, Khabib's never been bigger. Conor's never been bigger.

Brendan Schaub 34:20 Ah.

Joe Rogan 34:20 And ... Yeah, I mean-

Brendan Schaub 34:22 He needs to fight.

Joe Rogan 34:22 He needs to fight.

Brendan Schaub 34:23 He needs to fight.

Joe Rogan 34:24 He needs to fight, but he's still-

Brendan Schaub 34:25 On the, you, you guys know this. I ride Conor's nuts, I ride Khabib's nuts-

Joe Rogan 34:27 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 34:28 ... Stylebender's nuts. But with Conor, I'm like, "God, hope- hopefully something gets lined up."

Joe Rogan 34:31 Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is, like, that shit talking was-

Brendan Schaub 34:33 Keeps you relevant.

Joe Rogan 34:34 It was, yeah. It's worth something. It's worth something-

Brendan Schaub 34:37 Agree.

Joe Rogan 34:37 ... to both of them.

Brendan Schaub 34:38 Agree.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Like, if Stylebender and Jon Jones did decide to fight one day, it, that shit's worth something to both of them.

Brendan Schaub 34:43 Agree.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:44 Agree.

Joe Rogan 34:45 There's a big gap between 85 and 205 though, man.

Brendan Schaub 34:47 D- Jon's a giant 205-er.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 34:50 Jon should, Jon could beat up any heavyweight in the world with ease. Could beat up probably six of them in a night. So, to f- to fight a 183-er is weird.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah. It's, uh, well, obviously he wouldn't be 183. If Stylebender was gonna do it, I'm sure he'd want to put some, some weight on-

Brendan Schaub 35:06 Ah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 ... I would imagine.

Brendan Schaub 35:06 That's just, that's such a nightmare.

Joe Rogan 35:08 It's big-

Brendan Schaub 35:08 But, that's what makes Stylebender special-

Joe Rogan 35:10 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 35:10 ... 'cause those guys ... The same as Max Holloway.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Sure.

Brendan Schaub 35:11 He goes, "I'll fight anyone."

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yeah, sure. That's, that's what it's all about.

Brendan Schaub 35:14 But it also, like ... And this is not a knock on Santos or, you know, the level of competition, but at 205 there's really nothing there to get excited about. There's just not. You look-

Joe Rogan 35:22 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 35:22 ... at the other divisions. Santos, gonna be a fun fight. He's gonna be a plus 700, plus 800 underdog.

Joe Rogan 35:29 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 35:29 So, you know. But I like that Jon's active. I like watching Jon-

Joe Rogan 35:32 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 35:32 ... beat everyone's ass.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah. It's, it's, uh, one of those things now where you gotta find contenders for Jon, right? Because no one's really standing out.

Brendan Schaub 35:41 Rockhold would be cool at 205. Heavyweight's-

Joe Rogan 35:44 So, Domini-

Brendan Schaub 35:44 ... the place.

Joe Rogan 35:45 Dominick Reyes just beat ... Who did he beat? Did he fight Volkan Oezdemir? No. Who'd he-

Brendan Schaub 35:49 Yeah, he did. Vo-

Joe Rogan 35:49 He did, that's right.

Brendan Schaub 35:49 And I don't think he beat him. That's right. And I, and I'm a Reyes fan. Yeah. But I don't think he beat Oezdemir. I thought he lost. Yeah, that's what I was gonna s-

Joe Rogan 35:55 That was a weird decision.

Brendan Schaub 35:56 Yeah. That, so that one is ... Look, Volkan's a very good fighter, no doubt about it. But you saw what Daniel Cormier did to him. Neither one of them are ready- Right. ... for Jon Jones. Not ready for Jon Jones. Not even, they're not even the same realm. Right. So, but we were looking at Dominick and we were like, "That kid's-"

Joe Rogan 36:10 I know.

Brendan Schaub 36:10 "... really talented. Super pre- he's got massive potential." And I still think he does. Oh, yeah. You know, so-

Joe Rogan 36:14 He's a stud.

Brendan Schaub 36:15 He's just gonna get better from this. Johnny Walker?

Joe Rogan 36:18 Right. But that guy might have a blown shoulder. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 36:20 Let's say he doesn't though.

Joe Rogan 36:21 If he doesn't, here's the thing about that guy-

Brendan Schaub 36:22 He's still four fights away from Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 36:24 He might be four fights away. Here's the thing. He might knock four people into another dimension on the way to Jon Jones. That guy's something special, man.

Brendan Schaub 36:30 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 36:31 But you gotta knock those four guys out-

Joe Rogan 36:32 You do.

Brendan Schaub 36:32 ... so he can sell this thing.

Joe Rogan 36:33 You do. He does. I mean, he's, he's put away two top-level guys, uh, pretty spectacularly. And, um, I mean, you look at the way he fights too. He's loose and weird and then boom!

Brendan Schaub 36:45 It's the hardcore man.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Jumps on you.

Brendan Schaub 36:46 It's so special.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Power, dude. Fucking crazy power. When you-

Brendan Schaub 36:49 But I, I think with Jon, his team's smart. They're going, "No, we know heavyweight's there."

Joe Rogan 36:53 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 36:53 "We're gonna clean out 205."

Joe Rogan 36:55 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 36:56 "Ain't nobody beating us. We're gonna clear it, clean out so we're considered the greatest of all time. Then we'll go to heavyweight and get paid."

Joe Rogan 37:02 Well, you know, they, t- they wanted this fight, they thought it would be a good fight with Thiago. And I think w- one of the, one of the things that it's a good fight, one of the reasons why it's a good fight is Thiago can shut anyone's lights out. He knows he can shut anyone's lights out. That motherfucker throws for the bleachers.

Brendan Schaub 37:18 He used to fight at 70?

Joe Rogan 37:20 He's, no, 85.

Brendan Schaub 37:20 I mean, 85, right?

Joe Rogan 37:21 Yeah. 85. Struggled to make 85. Look, he's big. He's big.

Brendan Schaub 37:25 He's big.

Joe Rogan 37:25 A big dude.

Brendan Schaub 37:26 He's big.

Joe Rogan 37:26 But the fucking power that that guy has.

Brendan Schaub 37:28 I hear you.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Like in the Manoah fight, and he just swings, man. He swings wild. Now, Jon is not going to fight him the way Manoah fought him.

Brendan Schaub 37:35 Yeah, I can't touch him.

Joe Rogan 37:36 You know, Jon is gonna keep him on the outside with those kicks-

Brendan Schaub 37:39 Take him down in one.

Joe Rogan 37:39 ... and if he decides to clinch him, he'll clinch him, wrestle him, take him down. Jon's ground and pound is horrific, his top game is off the charts.

Brendan Schaub 37:45 Submissions are great.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Submissions, everything. Ground and pound-

Brendan Schaub 37:48 Striking's better.

Joe Rogan 37:48 ... elbows are from hell. From the top-

Brendan Schaub 37:51 The best.

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... Jon Jones gets on top of you-

Brendan Schaub 37:52 The best.

Joe Rogan 37:53 ... you're getting elbowed to oblivion, and they're coming one after the other after the other after the other. But the, in the wild exchange where he has to be careful is that that Thiago dude, Thiago Santos will swing with everything.

Brendan Schaub 38:07 Jon's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:08 He will throw it all in there.

Brendan Schaub 38:09 Jon's not even gonna engage in that. You're not gonna see the opportunity.

Joe Rogan 38:12 I, I don't think so. I, I mean, I, I-

Brendan Schaub 38:13 That's what makes him so special. Those guys that go, "That's where your win, places to win? Watch this."

Joe Rogan 38:17 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 38:18 And he just cancels it out.

Joe Rogan 38:19 I don't think that he would willingly wade into a firefight like that.

Brendan Schaub 38:24 But it could happen.

Joe Rogan 38:25 But it could happen.

Brendan Schaub 38:25 That's how you sell a fight, sir.

Joe Rogan 38:27 It could happen. See, j- what Jon is gonna do, if I had to guess, is try to further cement his legacy. He's gonna fight the best way he can. He's got great coaches, they know what the fuck they're doing. He's gonna go in there and he's gonna kick that dude. If he decides to clinch with him, he's gonna have a giant advantage in the wrestling. But he's gotta be careful on the way in, man. That dude will swing, he will try to kill you.

Brendan Schaub 38:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:47 He, he swings in a different way. He swings like this ain't making it to the fifth round. There's no fifth round. He's not even looking to get... He's, that guy is just, every shot, he's trying to take the lights out.

Brendan Schaub 38:56 No, I'm, uh, I'm definitely gonna watch it.

Joe Rogan 38:58 He's a wild motherfucker, man. I think this is an interesting fight. Jon Jones should be the strong favorite. He should be a giant favorite. But it doesn't mean it's not gonna be interesting. Because this dude's style, 'cause he's so fucking wild-

Brendan Schaub 39:09 I hear you.

Joe Rogan 39:09 ... the question is gonna be, how does he perform? How does he perform when you, when that octagon door shuts and you look over and you see it's Jon Jones?

Brendan Schaub 39:15 And title fight.

Joe Rogan 39:17 And title fight.

Brendan Schaub 39:17 But I, but I think one of the reasons why Jon talking shit to Stylebender is one of the pros is, we're talking about him, right?

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 39:25 'Cause w- we probably wouldn't have talked about him versus Santos on this show-

Joe Rogan 39:29 Right.

Brendan Schaub 39:29 ... if it wasn't happening. It keeps him relevant, it's, you know, he is p- probably the biggest name in the sport now, outside Conor, the guy who's the most active, him and Khabib are probably the biggest names.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 39:39 Him talking shit to Stylebender. I actually think it helped Stylebender too, right? 'Cause now he's associated with the greatest of all time.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 39:44 He wants to be the greatest of all time. But when he w- just a j- and it's gonna get there, and I can't fucking wait, when he goes, "All right, I'm ready for heavyweight." Him versus Francis?

Joe Rogan 39:53 (groans)

Brendan Schaub 39:53 Dude, what are we gonna do?

Joe Rogan 39:55 (groans)

Brendan Schaub 39:56 What are we gonna do?

Joe Rogan 39:58 (groans)

Brendan Schaub 39:58 Him versus Stipe? Cain?

Joe Rogan 40:00 Well, there probably, if the-

Brendan Schaub 40:02 God.

Joe Rogan 40:02 ... Brock Lesnar deal doesn't get done, the talk is Stipe versus DC, 'cause the Brock Lesnar deal is not done. Now, in that whole process, the talk-

Brendan Schaub 40:11 Oh, 'cause Brock lost?

Joe Rogan 40:13 No. That's not real.

Brendan Schaub 40:15 (laughs) What?

Joe Rogan 40:15 It's WWE.

Brendan Schaub 40:16 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 40:17 You didn't know?

Brendan Schaub 40:17 I thought it was real.

Joe Rogan 40:18 I'm sorry.

Brendan Schaub 40:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:19 Do you see Game of Thrones? I'll give you some more spoiler alerts.

Brendan Schaub 40:21 Dude, I did.

Joe Rogan 40:23 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 40:23 Bet your sweet ass I did.

Joe Rogan 40:24 Don't talk about it, people get angry.

Brendan Schaub 40:25 I know, we don't talk about it.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Shut up.

Brendan Schaub 40:26 There are dragons though.

Joe Rogan 40:27 It's DVRing. Dragons are real. Um, they think that, you know-

Brendan Schaub 40:33 Do you see Stipe too?

Joe Rogan 40:34 ... Brock might not fight. They don't know. Like, I mean, Brock has to decide, this is something he definitely wants to do.

Brendan Schaub 40:39 Hey, Brock, quit fucking giving us blue balls and get the fuck in there. Get the fuck out there.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Sh- you know he's gotta make the commitment, and I know he's been training. He's been training a lot.

Brendan Schaub 40:46 He's been training.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Yeah, and he's trained with some high-level wrestlers.

Brendan Schaub 40:49 And I like Brock.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Mission.

Brendan Schaub 40:49 I hope it happens.

Joe Rogan 40:50 I do too.

Brendan Schaub 40:50 Brock and DC?

Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 40:51 July?

Joe Rogan 40:52 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 40:52 What's up?

Joe Rogan 40:53 Yeah. And let me tell you something-

Brendan Schaub 40:54 And the July card is stacked.

Joe Rogan 40:55 You gotta be careful with Brock. Remember when he tagged Randy Couture and dropped him and hammer fisted him into oblivion?

Brendan Schaub 41:01 Yeah, Randy was f- 48 years old, but I hear ya.

Joe Rogan 41:03 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 41:05 (laughs) I hear ya, and I like how you're selling me on these fights.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Remember how he smashed Frank Mir?

Brendan Schaub 41:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:11 That was terrifying.

Brendan Schaub 41:12 That was s- remember, him and Frank hated each other?

Joe Rogan 41:16 They hated each other.

Brendan Schaub 41:16 And he fucked Frank up.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Well, it's 'cause Frank got him-

Brendan Schaub 41:18 But-

Joe Rogan 41:18 ... with that knee bar, and he didn't, he, uh, he tapped, the referee didn't stop it. Dana White says Stipe Miocic not blocked Brock Lesnar next in line. Oh. When did this happen?

Jamie Vernon 41:27 Uh, it's like the pre-conference maybe?

Narrator 41:29 No, I, I don't think so.

Brendan Schaub 41:30 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Well, no, but he's, but that's just a headline.

Jamie Vernon 41:32 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 41:32 He goes, "We don't know what Brock's gonna do."

Joe Rogan 41:34 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 41:34 But if it doesn't happen, it's Stipe or DC.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Oh, that's just one of them, "They got us."

Brendan Schaub 41:38 They gotcha.

Jamie Vernon 41:39 All right, all right.

Joe Rogan 41:39 "You know better, Johnny."

Brendan Schaub 41:40 God damn clickbait.

Joe Rogan 41:41 But it worked.

Jamie Vernon 41:41 See if we can listen to it or whatever.

Brendan Schaub 41:43 Um.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Clickbaiting motherfuckers. They got us.

Brendan Schaub 41:45 Uh, I love Stipe. Stipe, DC, I'm like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 41:49 "Yeah, I need something spicy, man."

Joe Rogan 41:51 I, I get what you're saying, and I, I get, uh, the Brock Lesnar appeal. I would rather see Stipe.

Brendan Schaub 41:56 Stipe. You know why? 'Cause you're a purist-

Joe Rogan 41:57 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 41:57 ... and that's why I like you.

Joe Rogan 41:58 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 41:58 But not me. I'm like the Paris Hilton of MMA.

Joe Rogan 42:01 First of all-

Brendan Schaub 42:02 Not me, sir.

Joe Rogan 42:03 ... out of respect, 'cause Stipe-

Brendan Schaub 42:04 I know, he deserves it.

Joe Rogan 42:05 ... he won, he defended the title more than any human being that's ever held it. He's the number one guy in the heavyweight division. So, you have to rate him the greatest heavyweight of all time. If you, you look about accomplishments, he's the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time in terms of accomplishments.

Brendan Schaub 42:20 He's not-

Joe Rogan 42:20 In terms of accomplishments. Just because he's, uh, done it four times.

Brendan Schaub 42:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 42:24 You know, DC beat him, obviously DC is supposed to... I mean, if you, if you had to rank him, you know, like right now, like one through ten-

Brendan Schaub 42:33 Think about it, DC's beat-

Joe Rogan 42:34 ... you would say DC-

Brendan Schaub 42:35 ... Roy, Frank.

Joe Rogan 42:35 DC's number one, because he's the champ and he knocked him out. To say he's number two would be silly. But to say like, the all-time greatest, most accomplished heavyweight, that's who Stipe is.

Brendan Schaub 42:43 Your boy Dana says DC's...

Joe Rogan 42:45 Okay. The all-time, most accomplished, greatest heavyweight-

Brendan Schaub 42:49 Is Stipe.

Joe Rogan 42:49 ... is Stipe. You gotta take into account-

Brendan Schaub 42:52 Or Cain.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Well, Cain never defended as many times as Stipe did. The question is-

Brendan Schaub 42:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:56 ... did Cain beat the better guys? Did he beat Junior dos Santos when Junior was young? He, before he'd been through-

Brendan Schaub 43:02 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 43:02 ... those wars with Cain. Right? Because by the time Stipe got him, Junior had been in some wars. And Junior has looked really good lately.

Brendan Schaub 43:09 He looks amazing.

Joe Rogan 43:10 But you can never discount the, that damage. You can-

Brendan Schaub 43:12 No.

Joe Rogan 43:13 I'm not saying that he's not as good now, I think he's still phenomenal now.

Brendan Schaub 43:16 But not as good.

Joe Rogan 43:16 But the Bambam Tuivasa fight? The, knocking out that dude-

Brendan Schaub 43:20 He looked amazing.

Joe Rogan 43:20 ... that dude's tough as shit, man.

Brendan Schaub 43:22 Agreed.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Knocking that motherfucker out? And the way he did it? He looks good, man. He looks good.

Brendan Schaub 43:25 Dude, is, uh, is JDS, uh, Francis of, uh, ESPN card? That's not a pay-per-view.

Joe Rogan 43:31 I think that's fucking- Does he ESPN? I think so. Ooh. We should do a fucking comparison, yeah. Ooh, we should do it. We should do it, have him around. Yeah. And, um, he fought Derrick Lewis, right? Yeah. Stopped Derrick Lewis. Stopped Derrick Lewis. Yeah. Look, J- Junior dos Santos still is an amazing fighter.

Jamie Vernon 43:45 That's on the July card.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Ah, fuck, man. Ugh.

Jamie Vernon 43:48 Haters.

Joe Rogan 43:48 So- And- I'm gonna watch it. S- when Stipe beat h- but you know what? Stipe can knock anybody out like that too. It's hard to say. You know what the problem is with Stipe? The problem is, is DC's fought what? Twice since their fight? Mm-hmm. Stipe's just been chilling. Well, he's been wanting this rematch, man. It, I, I, I get it, but- But it's a risky thing when you're a former heavyweight champion and you're gonna take a fight when you rightfully deserve a rematch. And what if you get hurt while you're taking this fight? What if you get, you know, you have this fight and you get hurt, and then you have knee surgery and then you're out for another year and then DC loses it and DC retires? He wants to fight him again. And the way to fight him again is to hold out. To hold out this whole time? I don't know, man. Obviously the UFC- He wants to fight DC again. That's the way, it seems to me. Well, now, in hindsight- Right? 'Cause Lesnar's not happening, Jon Jones is not going to heavyweight, but he's the- Right. ... third choice in all this. Well, I thought- Fuck waiting for that. I thought it was very interesting that- He deserves it. ... Jon said that to Stipe, that Jon put that out- How weird is that, though? I don't think it's weird. I think it's the same thing- For July? ... the same thing we did with Stylebender. He's just fucking with everybody. He's getting his name out there. He's learning from Conor. See, I think there's more to it. What? I think UFC was fishing and went, "Hey, you down to fight Stipe?" And Jon went, "Yeah, I'll fuck up Stipe." Then he went, "Stipe, are you down to fight Jonny?" He went, "Yeah, I'll fuck up Jon." Hmm. I think there's more to it. You think so? Yeah. What makes you say that? I don't know. Hmm. No reason at all. Maybe they did have some preliminary discussions as to whether or not the two would engage in fisticuffs. Maybe they did. That's a great fight. Could be. That's a great fight. That's a great fight. Stipe deserves it 100%. He deserves big fights, man. Look, the guy doesn't deserve to be forgotten. I mean- No, not at all, but again- His Francis Ngannou fight was one of the most impressive heavyweight title defenses. Agree. Because Francis was on fire. He was so dangerous. Do they have Francis ranked ahead of him now? That'd just be disrespectful. I don't think so. But Francis has done work. S- Stipe's gotta be the number one contender. No. What? B- DC-

Jamie Vernon 45:41 Now I know who Stipe is.

Joe Rogan 45:42 Stipe is number one? Yeah. Come on, man. Have to be, right? Have to be. You never know with rankings. Have to be. Have to be. Francis number two. Stipe, Francis. Yeah. S- Stipe beat Francis, it's that simple. Stipe beat Junior, it's that simple. Yeah, I mean, come on, man. Dude, Francis dos Santos, oh my God. Dude. But- I can't believe that's even happening. But it gets dicey down in heavyweight after- after six. It gets dicey. L- look, man. Francis- There's only 15 heavyweights in the world. Francis with take down defense, Francis with, uh, an understanding of what it's like to fight five rounds, and Francis with a little bit more experience, and good- Dude, him, dos Santos, fucking luck.

Jamie Vernon 46:25 Stipe booked a jujitsu match I saw.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Did he really? Against who?

Jamie Vernon 46:28 Um, Stipe.

Joe Rogan 46:28 Dude, imagine you blow your knee out in a jujitsu match and you can't fight for the title. Those jujitsu matches will backfire, you trust me. They're rough, man. And those big dudes wanna fuck you up. So especially if- It depends who he's going against. Right, that's true.

Jamie Vernon 46:40 Fight- fight to win 110 in Cleveland this weekend.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Who's he- Please don't say it's the leg lock guy. Please don't say it's the leg lock guy. Bushido? Oh, no. (sniffs) Or Cyborg? Cyborg will rip your legs apart.

Jamie Vernon 46:50 No, it's not Cyborg. He fights...

Joe Rogan 46:52 Or Gordon Ryan. Oh, my God. Gordon Ryan can't really do that right now, right? Or Garry Tonon. G- Gordon Ryan just tore his, uh, knee in surgery.

Jamie Vernon 46:58 No, it says no info on his opponent.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Oh, okay. That's 'cause he's probably booking a fight. He's probably like, "See ya." Yeah. Dude, your boy, uh, Ben Askren is fighting. The o- the- Yeah, Bel- the fuck, not fighting. Masvidal. He's fighting Masvidal, but I'm saying he's doing wrestling.

Jamie Vernon 47:09 Uh, he's having a wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs, right?

Joe Rogan 47:11 Yes. Isn't that crazy? God, man. Isn't that crazy? That's, like, May 6th, I think. You know, uh, if- if Ben Askren can really hang with Jordan Burroughs still- Dude.

Jamie Vernon 47:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:22 I, yeah. Insane. 'Cause everybody who rolls with him, I've never, uh, I never even clinched with him, but everybody who's done everything with him, like, I'll, the closest I came to a clinch is, like, that hug you do when you bro hug a dude. Yeah, get the over-under a little bit just to feel it out. (clears throat) But they say that it's like he's got four arms. They say, dude, it's ridiculous. Oh, yeah. I've heard stories about him. Yeah. I feel like it doesn't even make sense. I- I've heard Wally Wops, world champions, we all know. Yeah, just ragdolls people. That's how good his wrestling is. I mean, if you see that fight with Robbie Lawler, the fucking bombs that guy took. (laughs) That's fucked up for our big man. And the fact that he still figured out a way to get a hold of Robbie Lawler's neck, that he still figured out a way to get him into that headlock. And once, and Robbie knew he wanted to clinch with him, he couldn't keep him off him. Dude, I was sweating in that fight 'cause you and I hyped him up- Woo! ... so much. I was like, "Oh, please don't get starched in the first round." Mm-hmm. It's still a super controversial ending to me. Um- What, you had Herb on. What'd he say? Well, Herb said, y- uh, that, uh, first of all, Herb Dean is the shit. Nice guy. Couldn't be nicer. Great guy. But e- I love his perspective. He's so laid back and his ego is so healthy. Like when he talks about things, like y- you don't see any, i- i- it's very reasoned, like the way he approaches things. Like a Buddha sloth. But he's just, like, chilled out, and he's, like, very self-deprecating and chilled out about it. But he had a very good point. He was like, that's not just a manipulation of the neck, like, in terms of, like, cutting off the carotid artery. Correct. He's like, this is a manipulation of the spine. It's like a, a bit of a neck crank. And he's- Didn't even think about that. ... he was talking about, like, you look how he's got a hold of the head and how as he goes, the real, what I'm concerned with is if someone's going unconscious from, from some nerve shit. Oh, wow. Yeah, like from a neck crank. Like, apparently h- he had seen a guy who had gotten neck cranked like that, and then afterwards, the guy couldn't walk. He, like, couldn't move. It came back, but for moments. Still. But for moments, he couldn't move, and he was terrified. See, this is just shit we don't need to think about. I'm like, dude- Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Herb- That's why he's Herb Dean. He's the gold standard. He's the gold standard. It's Big John McCarthy and him, and Big John doesn't do it anymore. So it's Herb Dean- So it's Herb Dean. ... numero uno. And, um, just that, when you think about i- and Askren says, what he says is that, see, that's nasty, dude. That looks terrible. That's nasty. With the way he's holding onto the head like that and, and cranking your neck- I like that they're not rematching. ... it's a very bad position. I like that UFC went, "Oh, all right, we're good." Yeah? I, I dig that. I, I get it. I wanna see it again. I, like, I, I, I disagree. I think that, um...I, I agree with Herb's stoppage and, uh, I, I see the, that the arm went limp, but then the thumb came up, but then as soon as he let go, Robbie jumped up. Usman had me convinced that Robbie was never out, but Herb had me convinced that it was too dangerous for him to allow-

Brendan Schaub 50:09 To keep going?

Joe Rogan 50:10 ... it to continue once the arm dropped in that weird way.

Brendan Schaub 50:12 So do you side with Herb?

Joe Rogan 50:13 You have to side with Herb-

Brendan Schaub 50:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 ... in that situation.

Brendan Schaub 50:15 He's the expert.

Joe Rogan 50:15 You have to side with Herb 'cause he's right, because that is a special circumstance. See, I looked at it in terms... And, and I didn't even consider this when I was talking to Usman, that I looked at it in terms of it's just a choke.

Brendan Schaub 50:26 Yeah, me too.

Joe Rogan 50:26 And Herb's like, "No, it's a neck crank."

Brendan Schaub 50:27 Me too.

Joe Rogan 50:29 So, but still, I'd love to see it again.

Brendan Schaub 50:32 I'd like to see it next.

Joe Rogan 50:34 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 50:34 So, so if they, if they both win, 'cause Askren Masvidal-

Joe Rogan 50:38 I know.

Brendan Schaub 50:38 ... that doesn't get your dick hard?

Joe Rogan 50:39 No, Askren Masvidal's wild.

Brendan Schaub 50:41 And then if, let's say Askren wins that, which is a tough fight to win-

Joe Rogan 50:43 That's a tough fight.

Brendan Schaub 50:44 ... and let's say, uh, Woodley and Lawler, say Lawler wins that, then they fight.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 50:48 It's even bigger.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Woodley v- versus Lawler, though, that's a tall order.

Brendan Schaub 50:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:53 You know, after Woodley knocked him out-

Brendan Schaub 50:54 Well, it's a tall order for both of them.

Joe Rogan 50:55 For both fights, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 50:56 It's a tough fight.

Joe Rogan 50:56 For both fighters, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 50:57 Tough fight to call either way.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Yeah. I'm, I'm really interested to see how, uh, Woodley bounces back, but he's been saying all the right things.

Brendan Schaub 51:05 I love Woodley.

Joe Rogan 51:06 I love Woodley, too. And one of the things that I love that he said, he said he didn't realize the value of the title until it was gone and now-

Brendan Schaub 51:12 Took it for granted.

Joe Rogan 51:12 ... he really understands it. I mean, I just think he really understands it now that it's, it's not there anymore. He's not the champ anymore. And to get beaten in a... It's not like a fight, like, s- you know, you could make a rematch with Kelvin and Stylebender in six months.

Brendan Schaub 51:28 True.

Joe Rogan 51:28 You could make-

Brendan Schaub 51:29 Just back and forth.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Yeah, you could make that rematch. Kelvin knocked him down, Kelvin hurt him.

Brendan Schaub 51:32 Yeah, that's fair.

Joe Rogan 51:32 That wasn't that kinda fight.

Brendan Schaub 51:33 No.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 51:34 Usman liked it so good.

Joe Rogan 51:35 Different fight. Usman-

Brendan Schaub 51:36 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 51:36 ... Usman looked spectacular. Former champions Tyron Woodley and Robbie Lawler to meet in UFC main event, yeah. That's what we're talking about. That's on his book somewhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's booked.

Brendan Schaub 51:44 Yeah, it's booked.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

Brendan Schaub 51:46 Signed, sealed, delivered. Minneapolis, right?

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yeah. (clears throat)

Brendan Schaub 51:48 Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 51:49 I'm not go- I'm not gonna be there for that one. It's on a fight night. That's a... It's a fight night?

Brendan Schaub 51:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 51:52 June 29th, the Target Center.

Joe Rogan 51:53 That's a hell of a fight. Imagine that, that's a fight night, two former world champions. And bro, Robbie Lawler physically in that last fight-

Brendan Schaub 52:01 He looked so good.

Joe Rogan 52:01 ... looked shredded. He said he had this crazy strength and conditioning program, super motivated, you know?

Brendan Schaub 52:06 Dude, we haven't talked about this on the air. We talked a little bit at the comedy store. How about your boy TJ Dillashaw?

Joe Rogan 52:11 It's not good.

Brendan Schaub 52:11 Both our boys.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Yeah, it's not good.

Brendan Schaub 52:13 Did you see his apology?

Joe Rogan 52:14 Yeah, I did.

Brendan Schaub 52:15 What'd you think?

Joe Rogan 52:16 Well, I mean, at least he's, uh, just straight up admitting it.

Brendan Schaub 52:19 I think that's what you have to do-

Joe Rogan 52:20 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 52:20 ... 'cause then you're kinda like, "Yeah, I fucked up," and then people can't really come at you.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah. I mean, he's being honest about it and, um, oh, I do have to correct something. He, someone wrote an article that said that Cody Garbrandt found out that TJ tested positive for his fight too and Cody went crazy. I think I got duped by a clickbait-y article.

Brendan Schaub 52:39 No, we all got duped.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 52:40 Everyone thought that and actually-

Joe Rogan 52:42 I think somebody got us with a clickbait-y article and, uh-

Brendan Schaub 52:43 But everyone did.

Joe Rogan 52:44 But I, I should've been more responsible, so my apologies to TJ. So they ha- I don't think there's, uh, been another one that they tested him on that he's positive, but-

Brendan Schaub 52:52 They're looking into it now.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Here's the thing. Well, we have to... This is something that I know. Um, EPO is not always tested for.

Brendan Schaub 53:00 Correct, and-

Joe Rogan 53:00 Did you see Dana?

Brendan Schaub 53:01 What'd he say?

Joe Rogan 53:02 'Cause USADA's expensive as fuck. He goes, "Hold on. You guys aren't..." He had- he didn't know. He goes, "You, you guys aren't tested for EPO every time? We pay this much money-"

Brendan Schaub 53:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:10 "... for you numbnuts to show up, guys, at 3:00 in the morning and test them?"

Brendan Schaub 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 "You're not testing every time and we pay this much?" He goes, "I had no idea."

Brendan Schaub 53:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Well, time to cancel USADA. Thanks, boys.

Brendan Schaub 53:20 Thanks, boys.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Take care.

Brendan Schaub 53:21 Thanks for playing. See ya.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Everything's been looking good.

Brendan Schaub 53:23 Jeff, take it from here.

Joe Rogan 53:23 Come back.

Brendan Schaub 53:24 Be cool, bro.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Yeah, next thing you know, everybody's back looking thick.

Brendan Schaub 53:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Thick and juicy.

Brendan Schaub 53:30 Now, but, uh, they still, I see, I guess what they're gonna do is they're gonna go back and see if they still have the samples for when he did beat Cody and test those for EPO.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Well, this is what you and I were talking about when we were at the store. We were like, "How far do we go back?"

Brendan Schaub 53:44 Dude, I'm telling you, Joe, you don't wanna go down that road, man.

Joe Rogan 53:47 And I said, "Test them all!"

Brendan Schaub 53:48 You're crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Test them all. Let's find out-

Brendan Schaub 53:50 I mean, it-

Joe Rogan 53:50 ... what's real.

Brendan Schaub 53:51 Why? Why would you wanna do that?

Joe Rogan 53:52 Just test them all. Test them all.

Brendan Schaub 53:54 You're crazy, dude. You c- you can't do it. You're gonna ruin the foundations-

Joe Rogan 53:57 I'm just, listen-

Brendan Schaub 53:57 ... of the UFC.

Joe Rogan 53:57 ... this is an, uh, uh, intellectual exercise. I don't really want you to test them all.

Brendan Schaub 54:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:02 But if I was gonna argue-

Brendan Schaub 54:04 I know.

Joe Rogan 54:04 ... I'd say test them all.

Brendan Schaub 54:06 I, I think-

Joe Rogan 54:06 Line it up, let's find out what's up.

Brendan Schaub 54:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 54:08 We've always wondered have, br- have we? Not me.

Brendan Schaub 54:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:11 (laughs) I've never wondered-

Brendan Schaub 54:13 Let, okay, look-

Joe Rogan 54:13 Do you wanna test Forrest Griffin-

Brendan Schaub 54:14 Can you-

Joe Rogan 54:14 ... and Stephan Bonnar, UFC? Test them all.

Brendan Schaub 54:17 (sighs) That, the s- the fight that catapulted the fricking-

Joe Rogan 54:20 Yeah, test them all.

Brendan Schaub 54:20 ... UFC.

Joe Rogan 54:21 Listen, but th- but then again, test all the football players, test all the baseball-

Brendan Schaub 54:25 Test them all.

Joe Rogan 54:26 ... test all the tennis players.

Brendan Schaub 54:26 Everyone's feelings are gonna be hurt.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Did you watch Screwball? Did you watch Screwball?

Brendan Schaub 54:29 No, I haven't.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Holy shit, is it good. Billy, the Billy Corben documentary?

Brendan Schaub 54:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Do you know what they did?

Brendan Schaub 54:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:34 The, they had little kids play A-Rod-

Brendan Schaub 54:36 Play the actors, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:36 ... and, and the, the, the, the doctor-

Brendan Schaub 54:37 It's crazy, right?

Joe Rogan 54:38 It's hilarious, dude.

Brendan Schaub 54:39 I know the story.

Joe Rogan 54:40 The story is nuts 'cause it's in the people who were actually there narrating it.

Brendan Schaub 54:44 It's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 54:44 They're, they're telling the story and they got these little kids playing A-Rod and playing the doc-

Brendan Schaub 54:49 That's brilliant.

Joe Rogan 54:49 It's fucking great, man.

Brendan Schaub 54:50 That's a crazy story, though.

Joe Rogan 54:51 It's a crazy story.

Brendan Schaub 54:54 I feel bad for TJ, man.

Joe Rogan 54:56 (sighs) You know what, man? When everybody makes an agreement to not cheat-

Brendan Schaub 55:02 Oh, come on.

Joe Rogan 55:02 ... and they're testing you all the time to try to make sure that you're not cheating, don't you think that the environment's different now than it was before USADA was ini- was, uh, initiated? And don't you think that's a good thing? I'm putting words in your mouth. Notice how I phrased that question?

Brendan Schaub 55:16 Yeah, I know. It's like-

Joe Rogan 55:17 Terrible. Am I on FOX News or something?

Brendan Schaub 55:17 Politician, I know, but thanks.

Joe Rogan 55:20 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 55:20 No, you're right.

Joe Rogan 55:20 Too many things-

Brendan Schaub 55:20 It is better overall for the purity of the sport-

Joe Rogan 55:24 I think it's better.

Brendan Schaub 55:24 ... but I still assume guys are gonna figure out a way to cheat.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Yeah, but-

Brendan Schaub 55:27 Because, because PEDs in sports is no different than a, than a referee or a judge or gloves. They go hand in hand. Uh, people have always done PEDs or enhancements wheth- in, uh, every aspect, whether it's football, basketball, music, surfing-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 55:44 ... sex. It's just what humans do, especially when the odds are so high that this little thing can help you achieve, maybe i- get you a victory, but you know?

Joe Rogan 55:55 Mm.

Brendan Schaub 55:56 And then also, w- with, with TJ Dillashaw's thing, granted we know EPO is illegal, but this is, this one's a little different. If you tested positive for, like, steroids or whatever, s- like, straight up steroids?

Joe Rogan 56:08 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 56:08 Because if you and I engage in a fight and we have eight weeks to train and you go to Mount Everest or where the fuck you want to get your red blood cells higher and then fight me back at sea level, but I just stay here and inject those red cells.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Hmm.

Brendan Schaub 56:21 You know?

Joe Rogan 56:22 The difference is that if you operate at sea level and you're taking EPO, you will be able to work much harder and get more rounds in and you'll recover much better. If you are up at altitude, the problem is living and training really at high altitude, you can't put out as much output.

Brendan Schaub 56:41 But the night of the fight, we're gonna have the same-

Joe Rogan 56:43 No.

Brendan Schaub 56:44 Why?

Joe Rogan 56:44 EPO will have more.

Brendan Schaub 56:45 Way more?

Joe Rogan 56:46 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 56:46 Not even close?

Joe Rogan 56:47 No, you're get- you, you could have a stroke from that stuff. I mean, it depends on what you-

Brendan Schaub 56:50 Not if you do it right.

Joe Rogan 56:51 It depends on how much you're taking, but-

Brendan Schaub 56:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:53 ... that was one of the things Novitsky was telling me about, where young cyclists-

Brendan Schaub 56:56 Gets thick.

Joe Rogan 56:57 ... that were just having strokes.

Brendan Schaub 56:58 Well, your boy, uh, I think it was Lance Armstrong, maybe he was on your show, but he would wake up in the middle of the night and had to have to ride a bike because his blood is so thick.

Joe Rogan 57:04 No, no, no, that was, that was my friend Salami.

Brendan Schaub 57:07 Do I know Salami?

Joe Rogan 57:08 No. No, I'll, I'll explain.

Brendan Schaub 57:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:10 I'll tell you-

Brendan Schaub 57:10 But you know what I'm saying, like-

Joe Rogan 57:11 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:11 ... they get, like, you, you can't chill for long.

Joe Rogan 57:13 Yeah, he was a bike racer and he was telling me about this, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 57:14 You'd have to wake up in the middle of the night to ride your bike.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Yeah. I think Lance did discuss how guys would do that.

Brendan Schaub 57:18 I think that's where I got it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 It, it's been... We've talked about it. Maybe Lance did? Did Lance talk about having to get up in the middle of the night?

Brendan Schaub 57:24 Or did you and I talk about this?

Joe Rogan 57:24 In Exercise... Maybe we did.

Brendan Schaub 57:25 Did I talk about getting up in the middle of the night ride on a bike?

Joe Rogan 57:27 No.

Brendan Schaub 57:27 No, I'm just kidding.

Joe Rogan 57:28 No.

Brendan Schaub 57:28 I'm just kidding. Um-

Joe Rogan 57:29 But, but anyway, obviously... Look, that, with the Lance Armstrong thing, I feel like everyone was doing it.

Brendan Schaub 57:38 And you don't think-

Joe Rogan 57:39 Everyone.

Brendan Schaub 57:39 You don't think UFC-

Joe Rogan 57:40 Everyone was doing it.

Brendan Schaub 57:40 You think TJ is the only one?

Joe Rogan 57:43 (sighs) No. I think other people are taking EPO and they're hoping they don't get caught. That's what I think. I think it's still cheating.

Brendan Schaub 57:51 Correct.

Joe Rogan 57:51 And I think, um, I don't think everybody is doing that. I think there's a lot of guys who are doing it honorably.

Brendan Schaub 57:56 I agree.

Joe Rogan 57:57 I think most guys are doing it honorably. You know, I think you could get it in your mind... Look, I don't... J- I... This, it just is what, uh, to take from Max Holloway, it is what it is, right?

Brendan Schaub 58:08 It is what it is.

Joe Rogan 58:09 It is what it is. It's cheating, right? He would, TJ would admit that, I'm sure.

Brendan Schaub 58:13 He did admit it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Yeah, he did. That's what it is. But... I mean, I don't even know if I have a point.

Brendan Schaub 58:20 I don't know if I do either. But-

Joe Rogan 58:22 It's, but, it's... You, the guy's trying to... But he, I was gonna say the guy's trying to provide for his family, but so is everybody else.

Brendan Schaub 58:28 So is Cody Garbrandt.

Joe Rogan 58:29 So is Cody Garbrandt. Who's-

Brendan Schaub 58:30 So is Henry Cejudo.

Joe Rogan 58:31 So is everybody, everybody he fights.

Brendan Schaub 58:33 But I would, I would like to sit down with TJ.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 58:35 And I, I've, I've reached out to him since he's been suspended.

Joe Rogan 58:38 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 58:38 I, I wanna sit down with him, just be like, "Why would you, why did you do it?"

Joe Rogan 58:42 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 58:43 Like, "What led you to this?" Because his cardio has been great since he was a child, with his, with his wrestling background. At what point along the way, was it six years ago, six fights ago, did you think you needed to do this in order to beat these guys?

Joe Rogan 58:56 Well, let's... We could look at one thing that we know that he's been doing. He has a rigorous strength and conditioning program, that training lab-

Brendan Schaub 59:04 Talking about that new guy?

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... strength and conditioning program that he's doing. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 59:06 I have, I have an issue with that.

Joe Rogan 59:09 I, I understand your issue, but that shit is off the charts crazy difficult. They're doing wild stuff and medicine ball work and plyometrics and all this stuff, and TJ looks like a fucking beast when he's doing it.

Brendan Schaub 59:19 But have you seen Brian Ortega's workout? With, with his, with Mike?

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 59:23 They do crazy shit too.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. N- yeah. I mean, I'm not justifying it, but what I'm saying is that in order to do that kind of work, like, to put out that kind of pace, your body is gonna have to have some time to recover in between workouts. Well, if you take EPO, that time of recovery is diminished quite a bit, according to Novitsky, who's saying it allows guys to put in more work.

Brendan Schaub 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 So, it doesn't just give you more cardio. It allows you to recover faster-

Brendan Schaub 59:51 Train harder.

Joe Rogan 59:51 ... so you could train harder. And you know as well as anybody that sometimes the difference between victory and defeat is just having a little more in your gas tank. Just having a-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:01 Especially at that level.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 ... little longer camp-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:02 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 ... not being injured, uh, the last couple of weeks where you lost some cardio. You know those awful feelings? Well, if you have the opposite of those awful feelings, of n- instead of being compromised, being enhanced-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:13 It's gonna help your hair too.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 It's gonna help you then.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:14 Exactly. It's gonna help your head. You're gonna come in there like a fucking champion, to that, uh, what's that song he always comes in to?

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Oh, uh, give it away, give it away?

Brendan Schaub 1:00:23 Doesn't he go-

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 No. Is that what he comes in with?

Brendan Schaub 1:00:24 Oh, no, he comes in, he comes with the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Oh. Does he really? (singing)

Brendan Schaub 1:00:28 I always forget, guys, wa- the only guy whose walkout music I always remember, two, two, one was, of course, Matt Hughes, because he'd come out to Country Boy Can Survive.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Country Boy, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:42 That fucking song. Who's the other?

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Randy Couture when he came out to Stranglehold.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:46 Oh, interesting. Not Anderson Silva? DMX?

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Oh, that's right.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:49 That shit was fire.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:00:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Bro.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:52 That was scary.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 Mickey Gall's got the best one though.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:56 You think?

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Oh, Mickey, you're so fine. You're so fine.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:58 Oh, I don't like that one. I don't like that, no, I don't like that one.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Come on, man.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:01 Wonder Boy's got a good one.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:02 What's Wonder Boy?

Jamie Vernon 1:01:03 It's a Tenacious D song. It's called Wonder Boy.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:04 Oh, is it really?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Oh, that's pretty dope.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:05 And the words are like, "Wonder Boy, what is the secret of your powers?"

Brendan Schaub 1:01:08 Oh, that's pretty dope.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Oh, that's awesome.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:09 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:10 Who came out