The Joe Rogan ExperienceJRE MMA Show #79 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison
CHAPTERS
- 0:03 – 2:03
Birthdays, aging pains, and getting injured in embarrassing ways
Joe welcomes Liam Harrison and Vinny Shoreman back and immediately riffs on birthdays, getting older, and how silly injuries happen outside the gym. Liam jokes about pulling a muscle while bowling, and they compare it to Joe’s own random injury moments.
- 2:03 – 4:44
Lomachenko’s insane record, Luke Campbell’s toughness, and Vinny’s A&E visit
The conversation shifts to boxing—especially Lomachenko’s amateur record and the discipline required to make weight so many times. They praise Luke Campbell’s performance against Lomachenko, then Vinny recounts injuring his groin lifting weights and heading to A&E (ER).
- 4:44 – 8:42
Hot yoga reality check: toughness, hydration, and sauna-like benefits
Liam reports taking Joe’s hot yoga suggestion and being shocked by how hard it is, especially compared to fight training. Joe explains why he loves it (even high), and they dig into hydration and research comparing hot yoga’s effects to sauna use.
- 8:42 – 13:33
Knee surgery, NHS wait times, stem cells/peptides, and Vinny’s hip limitations
Liam details a meniscus injury that locked his knee, leading to surgery and a rapid return to fighting—plus frustration with delays in public healthcare. Joe discusses stem cells and peptides like BPC-157, while Vinny shares long-term hip rotation issues and a leg-length discrepancy complicating rehab.
- 13:33 – 16:16
Fighting for ONE Championship and adapting to small gloves
Liam explains why he loves ONE Championship and wishes it arrived earlier in his career. They talk rule sets (kickboxing vs MMA gloves), how small gloves change impact and cuts, and Liam breaks down a fight where one defensive habit cost him the outcome.
- 16:16 – 19:24
Bare-knuckle boxing, Lethwei, and why ‘no gloves’ sounds better than it is
Joe brings up the Paulie Malignaggi vs Artem Lobov upset to illustrate how equipment changes outcomes. They discuss bare-knuckle’s growth (especially in England), Lethwei’s headbutts, and the brutal reality of cuts and hand damage that changed Joe’s mind about removing gloves in MMA.
- 19:24 – 22:51
Small gloves, instinct under pressure, and unlearning bad habits
They widen the lens to MMA examples (e.g., elite kickboxers getting clipped) and how small gloves punish tiny mistakes. Joe and the guests explore why fighters revert to ingrained habits when chaos hits and why it’s harder to ‘relearn’ than to learn correctly from scratch.
- 22:51 – 24:11
Legendary kick power and style translation: Cro Cop, Hoost, Aerts, and MMA variables
Joe uses Mirko Cro Cop’s iconic body-kick damage to highlight how certain styles and physical traits translate across rule sets. They compare explosive strikers to methodical technicians and discuss how different rules (clinch, elbows, takedowns) radically reshape what ‘best striking’ means.
- 24:11 – 31:27
Dutch/Moroccan evolution, Badr Hari vs Rico, and PED talk
Vinny explains how Dutch-style kickboxing has evolved, especially via Dutch-Moroccan fighters with sharper boxing, knees, and new angles. They pivot to Badr Hari’s return and rematch with Rico Verhoeven, including the controversy around testing and the obvious ‘Instagram physique’ jokes.
- 31:27 – 53:57
Sparring smarter: reducing damage, preserving longevity, and S&C integration
Liam explains how he’s changed his sparring approach—less hard kick sparring, more controlled work—to extend his career and avoid accumulating injuries. Joe ties it to Thai play-sparring culture and broader training philosophy (flow, playful learning, and building athletic balance).
- 53:57 – 57:19
Running vs joints: low-impact options, sport-specific conditioning, and ruined knees
They discuss how fighters adapt conditioning as their bodies age—switching from outdoor roadwork to treadmills, sprints, and low-impact machines. Joe brings up examples like Kamaru Usman’s knee issues and emphasizes that endurance can be built many ways, but knee preservation is critical.
- 57:19 – 59:26
Ultra-endurance mindset: Cam Hanes, Courtney Dauwalter, and mental toughness
Joe detours into ultra-running to illustrate extreme human endurance and the psychology of not quitting. The story of Courtney Dauwalter’s minimal sleep and massive winning margins becomes a case study in mental resilience that impresses even hardened fighters.
- 59:26 – 1:02:02
MMA cardio, Ortega’s work rate, and the many ways to win (or lose)
Liam describes pad work with Brian Ortega and how MMA conditioning (especially from grappling) can be on another level. They discuss strategy choices—why fighters fall in love with striking—and how MMA’s multiple win conditions also multiply the ways things can go wrong.
- 1:02:02 – 1:06:39
Camp structure debates: S&C-heavy approaches, sparring needs, and ‘levels’ lessons
Joe outlines competing training philosophies—like Marinovich-style camps prioritizing conditioning—while Liam argues vision/timing must be tested near fight time. They connect this to Anthony Yarde’s preparation rumors and the shock fighters feel when they meet truly elite opponents.
- 1:06:39 – 2:36:53
Thailand life: Cambodia boxing chaos, Thai gambling rules, cheating, and Saenchai’s longevity
Liam tells wild stories from Thailand—being pushed into a pro boxing match in Cambodia with dubious officiating and mismatched weights. The discussion expands into Thailand’s stadium gambling culture, dirty tactics (liniment on gloves, alleged poisoning), why Saenchai can thrive at 40, and how ONE Championship may shape the sport’s future; they close by circling back to boxing megafights and pound-for-pound debates.
