JRE MMA Show #79 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Here we go. Liam…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Here we go. Liam and Vinnie-

   2. VSVinny Shoreman0:05

      Hello.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      ... my savage friends from mother England.

   4. LHLiam Harrison0:07

      Thank you for being back.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you again, man. What's happening? How's, how's it been?

   6. VSVinny Shoreman0:10

      All sorts of things are going on, Joe. All sorts of things.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Now, strange as well, ha-happy birthday, sir.

   8. LHLiam Harrison0:16

      Birthday boy over here as well, 50 today.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I appreciate it.

   10. LHLiam Harrison0:16

       (laughs)

   11. VSVinny Shoreman0:16

       Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       You don't look a day over 49 and a half. Looking good. (laughs)

   13. VSVinny Shoreman0:20

       I can feel it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       (laughs)

   15. VSVinny Shoreman0:21

       Jesus.

   16. LHLiam Harrison0:22

       I feel it. I pulled a muscle in my leg bowling last night.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Oh, no.

   18. LHLiam Harrison0:26

       Bad news, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       When you're a world kickboxing champion and you pull a muscle bowling, those are sad times.

   20. LHLiam Harrison0:30

       It was, it was pathetic, innit mate? It was pathetic.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       (laughs)

   22. VSVinny Shoreman0:32

       Ah, you're just settling-

   23. LHLiam Harrison0:32

       I was looking at myself in the mirror this morning when I got up and thought, "You are a loser, mate."

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs)

   25. LHLiam Harrison0:35

       "What have you done?"

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       One of my worst neck injuries I ever got was in the shower. I was just turning-

   27. LHLiam Harrison0:39

       I mean, I did that, I was brushing my teeth.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       ... to get my shampoo-

   29. LHLiam Harrison0:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       ... just like that, I went, "Ah, fuck, fuck, fuck!" (laughs) It just popped. Right, look at that, knocked over Rory MacDonald and Bruce Lee-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Y- yeah, it, it,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      what you're saying?

   2. LHLiam Harrison15:00

      Y- yeah, it, it, that, when you get hit with a boxing glove, it, like, if you get hit on the chin, it wobbles, like, your whole head because it's such a, a big surface area to hit.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Mm-hmm.

   4. LHLiam Harrison15:06

      Like, with those little gloves, you're hitting it in, like, one, one point or... I got cut, like, four times on one eye just from, I took, like, three or four right hands, and every one of them, like, cut me. So that's how, how dangerous they are. But I made a stupid mistake in that fight. Uh, in Muay Thai with the long gloves, I'll do long guard a lot because it works with the bigger gloves on.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Right.

   6. LHLiam Harrison15:22

      So I can protect myself. I did it once in that fight and got caught with an overhand right, right on my ear. My balance went, I had stuck a knee, got an eight count, came back up, and then I were chasing the fight after that. And then even though round three I absolutely battered him, I cut him bad, and I'd nearly stopped him with leg kicks. It were only a three-round fight.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      Mm-hmm.

   8. LHLiam Harrison15:37

      So I'd lost one round 10-8, so first round we're even, second round, him 10-8, first, third round I battered him. But it were too late by then. So one mistake in them gloves, and it is...

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      That's interesting that it g- it makes you reassess your defense, right?

   10. LHLiam Harrison15:49

       Yeah. Well, it's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       'Cause your, your defenses depen- like, you see a lot of guys, like, Badr. Like, Badr always fought like this-

   12. LHLiam Harrison15:54

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       ... with his hands, like, with those earmuffs, you know.

   14. LHLiam Harrison15:56

       You c- the first thing I did as well, like, when I was training to do it, I was sparring with him just to get used to it. And I put me fucking hands shut like in a glove I would and did that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Mm-hmm.

   16. LHLiam Harrison16:03

       And someone kicked me, and the fucking knuckle stuck in my head like that. And I'm, "Oh my God, this is gonna be fucking torture-"

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       (laughs)

   18. LHLiam Harrison16:08

       "... trying to get used to not putting your hands flat and my red moving and stuff like that." But I did that, absolutely, I, I really loved it. I really enjoyed it. I can't wait to fight for him again.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       What did you think when, um, they had that bare knuckle boxing event, Polimaulanagi-

   20. LHLiam Harrison16:21

       (sighs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       ... fought Artem Levin?

   22. LHLiam Harrison16:22

       Um, uh, Ar-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       See, see, that's a br-

   24. LHLiam Harrison16:24

       Artem Lobov.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Yeah, I was about to say, Ar-

   26. LHLiam Harrison16:26

       Artem, yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       Artem Lobov, sorry. That's a, that's one of the more interesting cases 'cause you've got a guy in Polimaulanagi who's the legitimate world champion and world class boxer. You know, few years past his prime-

   28. LHLiam Harrison16:37

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       ... and hasn't really been fighting.

   30. LHLiam Harrison16:38

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      fight is the fighting rhythms. So it's like ba- they're bouncing with their feet in and out-

   2. LHLiam Harrison30:03

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      ... in and out, and then they explode into the combination. Fighters like City Chai and Superbon and guys like that, they're so good at breaking your rhythm and-

   4. LHLiam Harrison30:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      ... timing little off balance and stuff, it keeps putting them out their rhythm, then they're scoring with their shots, stepping off and stuff like that. Yes.

   6. LHLiam Harrison30:15

      Like, they're so good, like, even s- somethin' like a little teep t- front leg knock will just stop 'em s- subtly for a minute. They'll kick a mad score and they'll move and they're always-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Yeah.

   8. LHLiam Harrison30:22

      ... having to reset their self, which I don't think the Dutch are used to really 'cause when they're fighting other Dutch or Moroccans, they're just standing in front of each other.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Right.

   10. LHLiam Harrison30:28

       You go, I go, you go, I go and they're just having a complete war. Like something subtle like that, what the Thais are doing, it's, by just breaking their rhythm, they're able to score.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Mm-hmm.

   12. LHLiam Harrison30:35

       The trouble is as well though, there's, there's a flip side to it 'cause a lot of Thais start very slowly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       (laughs) Yeah.

   14. LHLiam Harrison30:40

       You can't do that with these kids.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       No, you can't.

   16. LHLiam Harrison30:41

       'Cause these Moroccans fight like you've nicked something off them don't they?

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Yeah. They fight like-

   18. LHLiam Harrison30:44

       They let you stall-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       ... it's a fight every week as well. They get to like-

   20. LHLiam Harrison30:45

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       ... 23 of that 100 fights, aren't they?

   22. LHLiam Harrison30:46

       And then, and the, the sparring's just fucking (laughs) ridiculous.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Yeah.

   24. LHLiam Harrison30:50

       It's just crazy. You've seen, haven't you?

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Yeah.

   26. LHLiam Harrison30:51

       They just knock fuck out of each other what they, they just-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       They're in a fight in 16 ounce gloves like twice a week.

   28. LHLiam Harrison30:56

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       That's just seems like they're limiting their future.

   30. LHLiam Harrison30:59

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 55:41

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      smashed.

   2. VSVinny Shoreman45:00

      (laughs)

   3. LHLiam Harrison45:00

      Oh, rewind that. Rewind that, put it back.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      God damn, it's so enjoyable.

   5. VSVinny Shoreman45:04

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      It is.

   7. VSVinny Shoreman45:05

      It is. Like, it is.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      It's the most fun.

   9. LHLiam Harrison45:06

      It is enjoyable when you're in there actually doing it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:09

       Yeah.

   11. LHLiam Harrison45:09

       I've had the most f- fun in some fights that I've lost as well. Even when I've lost and I've been getting hurt myself, I've had some of the most fun in those fights. They've been some of the, the best fights that I'll take away with me. Like, the second time I fought Saenchai, we absolutely battered each other that fight. I cut him really bad with an elbow and he hit me with a body shot in round three. And I remember thinking, "Oh my God, I didn't think he could punch that hard." And I was just... I took about four more in a row and I thought, "I'm gonna have to take a knee, yeah?" And then he ran at me to do it again and I elbowed him and then cut him and I thought, "Fucking hell, this is amazing." And I remember at the time thinking, "This is fucking amazing."

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       (laughs)

   13. VSVinny Shoreman45:40

       (laughs)

   14. LHLiam Harrison45:40

       Like, looking at him and he were bleeding and I couldn't breathe and I remember thinking, "Fucking yes." (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       (laughs)

   16. VSVinny Shoreman45:45

       (laughs)

   17. LHLiam Harrison45:46

       You know what I mean? (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Well, that's why people love you. Because you have that sort of lust for combat, you know? It's like, that f-... You either have that or you do not. You know, some people are... They look for a way out and some people look for a way in.

   19. VSVinny Shoreman45:59

       Mm-hmm.

   20. LHLiam Harrison45:59

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       You know? I mean, that, that really is the difference between people who win, lose, or draw love a real epic scrap.

   22. LHLiam Harrison46:07

       Yeah, um, and I think that towards like the, the, uh, this end of me career now, when I were younger, a few times I'd go on back foot and try and point score and not get hurt and stuff like that. Now I'm just seeing it as I'm, I'm an entertainer now. Do you know what I mean?

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Right.

   24. LHLiam Harrison46:19

       People pay their hard money. They go out and work, and if they're buying a ticket to come watch me fight, they're gonna get a fucking fight. Do you know what I mean? Win, lose, or draw, I will go out on my shield and I'll give them what they wanna see. That's how I look at it now. And even my last couple of fights, Vinny said, "Don't fight like that." And I'm like, "That's... You know I'm gonna."

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       (laughs)

   26. LHLiam Harrison46:34

       And, and he knew I was gonna enjoy it and, and that's that.

   27. VSVinny Shoreman46:36

       You know you go through all these things and he comes and trains at the, the boxing club right near my house, Four Corners. Jon does great work with him, he's only with John Gill, he's down there.

   28. LHLiam Harrison46:42

       Yeah.

   29. VSVinny Shoreman46:43

       And he's like, "Yeah, I've got him to slip," and he's doing all this and he looks great on the pads, then he just goes... (slurping) Fights down, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       You know, it's interesting. I, I, I wonder how many fighters' careers could be extended if they took a different approach to the way they recuperated between fights 'cause I think so many fighters, they'll have a fight, they recuperate a little bit, and then they have another fight and they recuperate a little bit. And there's a lot of benefit to that in terms of your timing and then your relaxation inside the ring because you're so used to competing. It's like you get that mo-... But then your body, I th- I feel gets compromised after a while.

Episode duration: 2:36:53