JRE MMA Show #85 with Max Holloway

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... you know? …

   1. MHMax Holloway0:00

      ... you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Took yoga-

   3. MHMax Holloway0:02

      Nice.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      ... hung out with my dog, and now we're here. All right, we're live.

   5. MHMax Holloway0:05

      Nice.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      What's up, Max? How are you, brother? Good to see you.

   7. MHMax Holloway0:07

      I'm good. Yeah, how you doing?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      I'm good.

   9. MHMax Holloway0:08

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:08

       Do-

   11. MHMax Holloway0:09

       Finally here. I've been-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:10

       Oh, yeah. (laughs)

   13. MHMax Holloway0:10

       I've asked you for about, I think, uh, what, 17? 17 fights straight. When am I getting on?

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       (laughs)

   15. MHMax Holloway0:18

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       We tried to organize it a couple of times, but, hey, man, you live on an island in the middle of the ocean.

   17. MHMax Holloway0:23

       I know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       It's, it's a little, it's a different thing, you know, logistically.

   19. MHMax Holloway0:26

       I know, I know. I know, I know, but, uh, we've, you finally made it happen.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Yes.

   21. MHMax Holloway0:31

       You the man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       We finally made it happen.

   23. MHMax Holloway0:32

       You the man. I can't wait.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       So how you doing, man? Everything all right?

   25. MHMax Holloway0:35

       Everything good. I feel great.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You walking good?

   27. MHMax Holloway0:37

       I'm wa- walking great.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah.

   29. MHMax Holloway0:38

       I'm walking great.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       You, you look totally fine.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      guys ever. And M- Mike Tyson fucked him up. He was this big giant dude, though.

   2. MHMax Holloway15:04

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      He was so big. He'd be l- like, l- built like a bodybuilder. You thought he would just flatline people. And Mike Tyson just smooshed him. He was-

   4. MHMax Holloway15:11

      Mike Ty- say, Mi- uh, genetics.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      Yes. That's genetics.

   6. MHMax Holloway15:13

      We talking about genetics. Mike-

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Genetics.

   8. MHMax Holloway15:15

      ... did you not see the video of Mike Tyson showing who, what en- uh, n- uh, Ngannou?

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Yes.

   10. MHMax Holloway15:20

       D- how to slip, like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Yeah.

   12. MHMax Holloway15:21

       ... whoop, whoop, whoop. (laughs) I was like, "Guy." (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       In his 50s. Yeah.

   14. MHMax Holloway15:24

       Come on, guy. Why you moving like this? (laughs) Because he a bear.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Well, Teddy Atmos told me that when he was 13 years old, Tyson weighed 190 pounds.

   16. MHMax Holloway15:31

       What? (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       (laughs) They said-

   18. MHMax Holloway15:33

       You can't be smoking-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       He brought him to smo- yeah, it was true. He brought him to smokers and they would go, "How old's this kid?" He goes, "13." He goes, "Get the fuck out of here. He's 16."

   20. MHMax Holloway15:41

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       And he's like, "I'm telling you, he's 13." They would put him in with 16-year-olds, 'cause they wouldn't believe him.

   22. MHMax Holloway15:45

       He a different-

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       They didn't believe he was 13.

   24. MHMax Holloway15:47

       ... different. You sure he did- you sure he didn't do that from, what is that called? What i- uh, what is that one movie? That one movie, that baseball movie, Benchwarmers, when he's like, "I'm 13"? (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Oh, right, right. No, but Tyson, it's real. Yeah, man. It's-

   26. MHMax Holloway15:59

       Oh, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       ... genetics are r- there's that, there's him with Ngannou. Look at that.

   28. MHMax Holloway16:03

       Watch this. Watch this move.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       He l- he looks like such a elder statesman too, you know, with his beard.

   30. MHMax Holloway16:08

       Yeah. Yeah, and then watch when he does his slip thing. He does... W- where is the slip one?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Lockhart? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      (sniffs) Oh... I'll remember his name in a minute.

   2. MHMax Holloway30:03

      Lockhart?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yes, thank you. George Lockhart. Sorry, George. It's the weed, I blame the weed.

   4. MHMax Holloway30:08

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      But, um, Lockhart was saying that m- big muscular guys, they're- it's easier.

   6. MHMax Holloway30:12

      It's easier to... y- y- you can suck-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      (coughs) .

   8. MHMax Holloway30:15

      You can suck water outta someone who's muscular 'cause his muscle- muscles are gonna let go- let go the water.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Yeah.

   10. MHMax Holloway30:20

       But if you are fat, fat is gonna he- hold on to everything.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Right.

   12. MHMax Holloway30:23

       That's why you fat.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       (laughs)

   14. MHMax Holloway30:27

       (laughs) To be honest.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       (coughs) Yeah, you're holding on to everything.

   16. MHMax Holloway30:30

       You're gonna do whatever goes in your body. Like, "Holy shit, what is this?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Yeah.

   18. MHMax Holloway30:33

       "Let's just hold onto it."

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Yeah.

   20. MHMax Holloway30:35

       Muscle is like, once something bad... like, muscles won't even hold on, hold onto something bad. If you eat sugar and you're so muscular, you feel sick.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       It's funny how different guys look on the scale versus the next day. Like, Lombard was a, a good example. Like, when he would make 170, he w- he looked so much smaller on the scale and then the next day, you'd be like, "Fuck, is this the same guy?"

   22. MHMax Holloway30:55

       'Cause it's muscle, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Yeah, all muscle.

   24. MHMax Holloway30:56

       And 'cause it... and then muscle wants water.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah.

   26. MHMax Holloway30:59

       So when you put water into that th- that bad boy, my gosh, he look like a balloon.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       (inflates)

   28. MHMax Holloway31:04

       (laughs) Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Carb up, swells up.

   30. MHMax Holloway31:06

       He is like h- yeah.
4. 45:00 – 58:39

   Cub Swanson. …

   1. MHMax Holloway45:00

      jujitsu tournament, I wanna do a jujitsu tournament." He's like, "No." He's like, "I'll let you go do a boxing match, but do a jujitsu tournament." I was like, "Why?" He was like, "'Cause you see all these top MMA fighters, they go to do the ne- the gis, jujitsu, whatever the tournament is, they tear their ACL, they tear-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Cub Swanson.

   3. MHMax Holloway45:14

      ... their shoulder." Yeah, they tear-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Cub Swanson this weekend.

   5. MHMax Holloway45:16

      They get choked out, they hit their head, they get cut. Luke, Luke cut-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      Yep, yep. The broth-

   7. MHMax Holloway45:20

      ... cut his, cut his eye-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Yep.

   9. MHMax Holloway45:21

      ... in a fight. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       A wrestling match.

   11. MHMax Holloway45:23

       In a, yeah, in a wr- in a grappling match-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Yeah.

   13. MHMax Holloway45:25

       ... like, how, you know? Like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       It happens.

   15. MHMax Holloway45:26

       ... it's just freak, freak stuff happen when you're grappling.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Well, Cub blew his knee out just-

   17. MHMax Holloway45:30

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       ... this weekend.

   19. MHMax Holloway45:30

       I, I heard, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Yeah. I mean, he's, he's on a, a real high note right now. Just beat Chrome Gracie.

   21. MHMax Holloway45:34

       Gracie, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       And he's also 36 with a family, you know? So it's like, this guy can't afford to take a fucking year off.

   23. MHMax Holloway45:40

       And yeah, that's why he wasn't doing it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       And he was locked up in a leg lock with Jake Shields, who's at least 30 pounds bigger than him. Jake is a big fella.

   25. MHMax Holloway45:48

       (sighs) .

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       And, you know, they're doing that quintet thing-

   27. MHMax Holloway45:50

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       ... where different weights will compete against different guys.

   29. MHMax Holloway45:53

       Yeah. Shout out to Sean O'Malley. I, I saw him put it on for the UFC team, man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Oh, yeah. Did you see Krause? James Krause? Caught King Mo in a standing guillotine?

Episode duration: 2:05:39