JRE MMA Show #92 with Angela Hill

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... two. Good? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      ... two. Good?

   2. AHAngela Hill0:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Hello, Angela. What's going on?

   4. AHAngela Hill0:07

      Hi. What's up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      I was amazed that you could get those headphones on. I was wondering.

   6. AHAngela Hill0:10

      (laughs) Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      That's ... You got the best Afro in the game, for sure.

   8. AHAngela Hill0:13

      It, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Who's even close?

   10. AHAngela Hill0:14

       It, uh, condenses. Um ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:15

       (laughs)

   12. AHAngela Hill0:16

       I mean, Caceres got me beat, though. Alex Caceres.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       Yeah?

   14. AHAngela Hill0:18

       Yes, yeah. That's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       He do- he gets crazy, yeah. (laughs)

   16. AHAngela Hill0:20

       That's my goal, is ... Those are my hair goals, is to get, like, a nice, big, like, fluffy 'fro like his.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       When he fights, I always wonder, like, I get... That seems like it would be harder to pull out of things, don't you think?

   18. AHAngela Hill0:32

       No, it's actually ... It's kind of like a ... You know, uh, those connecting joints where it's like, it's kinda like a big ball that goes in-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Mm-hmm.

   20. AHAngela Hill0:40

       ... but, like, when you pull it out, it's like ... I don't know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       It pulls out easier.

   22. AHAngela Hill0:44

       It pulls out easier, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Oh.

   24. AHAngela Hill0:45

       It's kind of like a, like a joint like that. So, like, uh, you think you have a good grip, but then the hair just like whoosh, you know? Like, it condenses.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Well, especially, like, if you put grease in your hair or, or hair conditioning, or anything that makes it extra slippery, right?

   26. AHAngela Hill0:58

       Yeah, I guess. But like, it's, it's pretty ... It's just the fact that it can go small even though it doesn't look like it. I feel like people think they have a better grip than they do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Hmm.

   28. AHAngela Hill1:09

       Like, I've ... Like my, uh, I think my title fight in Invicta, uh, the girl locked on, like, maybe three or four guillotines, and every time, I was just like whoosh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       (laughs)

   30. AHAngela Hill1:19

       You know (laughs) like, it just, like, popped out. (laughs) And people kept going, "It's deep. It's deep." But like, I, I swear to God, my Afro gets me out of, uh, tight situations.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      the worst decision I've ever seen. We've seen some really bad ones lately. But it was, it was not good. It wasn't-

   2. AHAngela Hill15:04

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      So that would've put you on a four-fight win streak.

   4. AHAngela Hill15:06

      Right, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      But the Hannah Cifers one. Hannah Ciphers is tough.

   6. AHAngela Hill15:09

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      And she's, like, physically tough. She's a, like, a strong girl.

   8. AHAngela Hill15:13

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      You know? And when you, when you got her down and smashed with those elbows, I was like, "Something's going on."

   10. AHAngela Hill15:19

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Like, you're, you're on another level. Y- do you feel it?

   12. AHAngela Hill15:22

       Yeah, I do. I do. Um, I don't know. It's, uh ... I had, uh, a lot of, like, um ... I don't know. I guess ups and downs in my career. Like, it's literally, like, up, down, up, down, like, win, loss, and win, loss. And, um, I think, uh, after the Randa fight, I fought Randa Marcos about this time last year. And, um, and I was just so pissed at the way that went down, because I was, like, super nervous going into it. Um, I felt like this- that was gonna be a fight that kinda set me above the heap, because Randa's so tough, and she kinda has that same, like, up-down that I do. So I'm like, "Okay, this is gonna set me apart. I'm gonna get a streak going. I'm ... This is gonna be the fight that puts me in the rankings." And I, and I put a lot of weight on it, and, uh, and I had, like, ESPN following me that week too, so I was just super nervous. And, like, the entire time during the fight, like, I wasn't in the fight. Like, I was overthinking every position.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Hmm.

   14. AHAngela Hill16:22

       Like, there was a point where I had Randa up against the c- and the fight seems like it was 30 minutes long even though it was, like, two minutes, you know? But, like, the moment that I had her up against the cage, I remember, like, just thinking, "Oh, if I hold her here, she can't do anything to me." And that's, like, the exact opposite of what you should be thinking in a fight. You should be thinking, "I need to hurt her." You know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Right.

   16. AHAngela Hill16:46

       Like, "I need to hurt her. I need to do whatever it d- whatever it takes to look like I'm trying to finish the fight." So I hesitated. Uh, my corner was yelling, "Elbow." I didn't throw the elbow. Randa threw the elbow, and then from there I was just, like, uh, like, two steps behind, I felt like. And so that fog was a really weird thing for me, because I had never really thought about the mental side of fighting. Like, I thought I was doing everything right. Like, I would visualize and, you know, um, uh, tell myself all positive things, and, you know, do, do everything that you, you think you have to do before a fight. Um, but that just kinda showed me, like, I'm not doing enough. Because I knew I had the skills to beat her, but ... Or at least the skills to make it look more competitive, but I didn't show it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Do you think it was the added element of the cameras following you around, that just put this additional pressure on?

   18. AHAngela Hill17:36

       Yeah. Like, uh, like, the pressure was already there, and then I found out about, uh, the ESPN thing, and I feel like it was just me over ... Because I've always had this, uh ...... I guess, this, uh, fear of losing too much, you know? And it started when I got into the UFC. I had, like, my tough fight, didn't go well, but I wa- I was one fight, you know, in my MMA career, and I was in the UFC already. So, I went on to win a fight, but then I lost two in a row and got cut. And from that moment on, I'm like, "Fuck, like, people are just gonna think of me as this person who loses all the time." And then I went on a four-fight winning streak in Invicta but then when I came back to the UFC, I lost to Andrade. And even though it was like a, probably the fight that people still talk about to this day, even though I lost-

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:26

       It's a crazy fight.

   20. AHAngela Hill18:26

       Yeah, yeah. Like, I always get complimented on that fight, but it was still another loss on my record. So like, I've always had this kinda, I don't know, like, this, uh, great cloud looming over, like, my confidence because of my record.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:41

       Did it help that she went on to, to do such great things? Did it-

   22. AHAngela Hill18:45

       It did.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       ... pump you up?

   24. AHAngela Hill18:46

       It did, it did. But when it came to fighting someone like Randa, who kinda had a similar story where she is talented, but she's fought a lot of tough people and lost to them or gotten, like, weird decisions against people, um, I don't know. I just felt like this was my chance to prove that I'm not that, like I'm-

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:07

       Right.

   26. AHAngela Hill19:08

       ... I'm a better fighter than my record shows. And so then when the ESPDN thing was thrown on, and I just like, it was just me bigging up a situation that wasn't that big.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Right.

   28. AHAngela Hill19:19

       You know, like, it, it was no different from, you know, my fight with Ashley Yoder. I felt more present in my Andrade fight. Like, it was no bigger than those fights, but I just bigged it up in my head.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       Mm-hmm.

   30. AHAngela Hill19:30

       And I felt like it was a result of me just pushing down all this anxiety that I have every time I fight and not really addressing it.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      now, like, "She's a what?"

   2. AHAngela Hill30:01

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      "She's in the fucking what?"

   4. AHAngela Hill30:02

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      "She's a UFC contender?"

   6. AHAngela Hill30:04

      I know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      "Get the fuck outta here."

   8. AHAngela Hill30:06

      No, it's really funny.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Angela?

   10. AHAngela Hill30:07

       Yeah, exactly. Like, nobody... And I was so different. Well, not different, but I was, like, super quiet, like, all my life, like, in high school especially, college, like. I was always just, like, really shy and really, like, soft-spoken, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       That's surprising, 'cause you're very-

   12. AHAngela Hill30:23

       Really?

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       ... funny on Twitter.

   14. AHAngela Hill30:24

       Oh, thank you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       On Twitter you're hilarious.

   16. AHAngela Hill30:26

       Well, I was always funny. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       You're always funny-

   18. AHAngela Hill30:28

       It's just num-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       ... just quiet.

   20. AHAngela Hill30:29

       Nobody knew it. Yeah. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       (laughs)

   22. AHAngela Hill30:30

       I kept it to myself. I crack myself up all day. But, um, but yeah, like, I'm, I'm just super shy. Like, always awkward around, like, new people and new settings. And like, I had my tight-knit group of friends, but like, I was never, like, the popular kid b- by any means. So-

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       What brought you into Muay Thai class?

   24. AHAngela Hill30:49

       Um, a workout.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       You just needed-

   26. AHAngela Hill30:51

       Uh, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       ... something to do.

   28. AHAngela Hill30:51

       I was just fat, yeah. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       (laughs)

   30. AHAngela Hill30:54

       I had just gotten married and, um, and I also had a office job. I was working at an animation studio. And, uh, before that I had been bartending, so I was like moving around and doing stuff, and I never really felt, like, inactive. But once I quit the bar job and was just doing that full time, I just felt, like, fat and lazy and greasy and-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   And how long had…

   1. AHAngela Hill45:00

      Invicta.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And how long had you been training in grappling?

   3. AHAngela Hill45:03

      Um...

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Or takedown defense, or MMA in general?

   5. AHAngela Hill45:05

      I hadn't been doing much MMA training just because in New York there wasn't a lot of it. So, uh, you have, like, uh, you have, like, those M- underground MMA fights.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   7. AHAngela Hill45:16

      Like, I had a, a friend, uh, who had done a couple of them. It was literally like, you, you show up, you go to, like, a, a, a school in the Bronx and, like, you're in their assembly room (laughs) and there's, like, a ring there. No ambulance.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      Oh.

   9. AHAngela Hill45:31

      Like, you still have to pay, like, 30 bucks to get in.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Yeah.

   11. AHAngela Hill45:35

       And it's just, like, so hood and ratchet.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       (laughs)

   13. AHAngela Hill45:38

       And, like, we, we literally saw, like, a, a kid get matched up against a, a little person.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Like a midget?

   15. AHAngela Hill45:47

       Yes, a midget. (laughs) I'm like, "Can we say midget still?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       I think you still-

   17. AHAngela Hill45:50

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       My friend Brad Williams, he's a little person, he says you can say it.

   19. AHAngela Hill45:53

       He says midget? Cool.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       So-

   21. AHAngela Hill45:54

       Thanks, Brad.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       ... go his way.

   23. AHAngela Hill45:55

       But yeah. (laughs) Yeah, it was a midget. Like, like, literally, like, tried to match him up. And the guy was gonna knock this kid out. Like, it was a man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       Whoa.

   25. AHAngela Hill46:04

       A man with man muscles. Uh, but it didn't happen.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       How old was the kid?

   27. AHAngela Hill46:08

       The kid wa- they were the same height.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Oh, Jesus. (laughs)

   29. AHAngela Hill46:11

       So he wasn't old. (laughs) That kid was a full-grown kid.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       Wow.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:31

   That's gotta be so…

   1. AHAngela Hill1:00:00

      I'm... You know, I, I h- have to, like, I feel like I have to finish fights in order to get the result that I want.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      That's gotta be so frustrating when you're fighting as a professional and the judges... Uh, (sighs) I mean-

   3. AHAngela Hill1:00:15

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      ... you know, they say this so many times. The Houston fight was fucking bananas. That card-

   5. AHAngela Hill1:00:19

      Dude, and I was so happy you guys went on that rant, because I've been seeing it, like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Dominick was going crazy.

   7. AHAngela Hill1:00:23

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Dominick was so angry.

   9. AHAngela Hill1:00:25

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       He was so angry. And afterwards, he was still angry.

   11. AHAngela Hill1:00:28

       (laughs) Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       He was so fucking mad, and he should be. He should be. It was, you know, the, the... Whoever the fuck scored Jon Jones four rounds to one over Dominick Reyes should never score a fight again.

   13. AHAngela Hill1:00:39

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       There's no way.

   15. AHAngela Hill1:00:41

       Because it's like the criteria that you use to say that he was dominant one round, you can't possibly use that for the next round.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Like-

   17. AHAngela Hill1:00:48

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       ... Jon won for sure the last two rounds.

   19. AHAngela Hill1:00:51

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       And he might've won the third. Might've won the third. I watched it, I watched that fight three times since then. I'm like-

   21. AHAngela Hill1:00:58

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       ... whew, that third round is fucking close. Dominick-

   23. AHAngela Hill1:01:01

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       ... landed some real good shots, but so did Jon.

   25. AHAngela Hill1:01:03

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       So did Jon. Jon kept pressing.

   27. AHAngela Hill1:01:04

       That was, like, right when he started-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Yeah.

   29. AHAngela Hill1:01:06

       ... like, slowing down.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 2:21:25