Lenny's PodcastJulie Zhuo: How AI is flattening orgs into broader builders
At Sundial, no dedicated PMs: engineers cover design and analysis; Zhuo diagnoses with data and treats with design, leading like a sturdy, flexible willow.
Lenny RachitskyhostJulie Zhuoguest
CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 5:18
Welcome back, Julie!
- 5:18 – 8:41
The success of The Making of a Manager
- 8:41 – 11:38
Why AI will make everyone a manager
- 11:38 – 14:00
The future of management roles
- 14:00 – 21:30
Empowering teams with AI
- 21:30 – 26:53
Specific roles being accelerated by AI
- 26:53 – 32:02
Data analysis in AI companies
- 32:02 – 37:21
The role of data in design
- 37:21 – 40:22
The evolving role of managers in the AI era
- 40:22 – 42:14
Embracing change and uncertainty
- 42:14 – 49:03
Timeless lessons for managers
- 49:03 – 57:49
Balancing strengths and weaknesses
- 57:49 – 1:05:33
Building a feedback culture
- 1:05:33 – 1:09:27
Creating win-win situations
- 1:09:27 – 1:12:12
Being aware of your own energy and conviction
- 1:12:12 – 1:15:57
Navigating disagreements with higher-ups
- 1:15:57 – 1:20:08
AI corner
- 1:20:08 – 1:23:14
Contrarian corner
- 1:23:14 – 1:36:23
Lightning round and final thoughts
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