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How Notion leveraged community to build a $10B business | Camille Ricketts

Camille Ricketts began her career in journalism, at the Wall Street Journal, in 2006. In 2010 she joined Tesla, where she worked in communications alongside Elon Musk. She transitioned into marketing and became the Head of Content and Marketing at First Round Capital and then went on to become the very first marketing hire at Notion. In today’s episode, we dig into community-led growth—what it is, and when and how to pursue it. We get super-specific on how Notion championed their most loyal users and built a passionate community, and the incredible outcome it had for the company’s growth. We also talk about how to create great content, and how content can drive growth for your business and brand. — Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-notion-leveraged-community-to — Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for supporting this podcast: • Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments: https://www.geteppo.com/ • Flatfile—A CSV importer that says yes instead of error: mismatch: https://www.flatfile.com/lenny • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny — Where to find Camille: • Twitter: https://twitter.com/camillericketts • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/camillericketts/ — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — People referenced: • Ivan Zhao: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivanhzhao/ • Simon Last: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-last-41404140/ • Lexie Barnhorn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexisbarnhorn/ • Ben Lang: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benmlang/ • Claire Butler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairetbutler/ • Jessi Craige Shikman at First Round: https://firstround.com/person/jessi-craige-shikman/ • Brett Berson at First Round: https://firstround.com/person/brett-berson/ • Josh Kopelman at First Round: https://firstround.com/person/josh-kopelman/#mystory • Shaun Young on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaunyou/ • David Pierce at The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/authors/david-pierce Additionally, Camille would love to shout out Nate Martins and Andrea Lim, who ran Notion’s content program: • Nate Martins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nate-martins/ • Andrea Lim: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreawlim/ Content and companies referenced: • Community & Content Resources: https://camnotes.notion.site/Community-Content-Resources-f18fb1db2d094ec2a4140a7737fae362 • Station F: https://stationf.co/ • Figma: https://www.figma.com/ • Canva: https://www.canva.com/ • Stripe: https://stripe.com/ • Stripe Atlas: https://stripe.com/atlas • Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com/ • First Round Review: https://review.firstround.com/ • Jobs to be done framework: https://jobs-to-be-done.com/jobs-to-be-done-a-framework-for-customer-needs-c883cbf61c90 • The Only App You Need for Work-Life Productivity: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-only-app-you-need-for-work-life-productivity-1521640800 • Product Hunt: https://www.producthunt.com/ Find all lightning round references at https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-notion-leveraged-community-to-build-a-10b-business-camille-ricketts-notion-first-round-capital — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Camille’s background (05:43) What it was like working with Elon Musk (07:38) Working at Notion in the early days (12:16) What is community-led growth? (15:48) How Notion measured the impact of marketing efforts (16:35) The most successful community efforts at Notion (18:24) Why metrics aren’t always necessary for community growth  (19:52) When it makes sense to invest in community-led growth (21:34) How creators make money using Notion (23:12) The Ambassador Program and Champions Program at Notion (27:20) Why founders should consider investing in community and delay monetizing some features (31:03) Companies that have done well in building community (32:54) How to determine the level of community engagement appropriate for your company to invest in (34:00) Using Camille’s 2x2 grid to implement community (36:42) How to launch an ambassador program (41:22) Advice for founders who want to build community (47:17) How Lenny got his first 500 newsletter subscribers (48:58) Examples of Camille’s most impactful content marketing (51:20) Content-market fit: how to determine the needs of your reader  (53:37) Content categories and the time it takes to create top-notch content (57:02) The future of comms and how the press helped Notion grow (1:01:35) Lightning round — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Inside Notion’s $10B Rise: Community, Content, and Compounding Discovery

  1. Former Notion marketing lead Camille Ricketts explains how community-led growth and high-quality content marketing powered Notion’s journey from an 11-person startup to a $10B company. She details how carefully nurtured ambassadors, power user champions, and third-party consultants created a global ecosystem that de-risked Notion for enterprises and drove organic discovery. Camille also shares her framework for “content market fit,” treating content like a product by obsessing over audience pain and jobs-to-be-done. Along the way, she draws lessons from Tesla, Stripe, Figma, and First Round Review on positioning, PR, and when community and content are worth the investment.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat content like a product and aim for ‘content market fit.’

Start with a specific audience and their deepest pains: what keeps them anxious, gets them promoted, or helps them avoid failure. Build content that acts as a painkiller—not a vitamin—around those jobs-to-be-done, just as you would design a product for product–market fit.

Community-led growth is about de-risking your product through ubiquity and discovery.

In Camille’s definition, community-led growth happens when your community makes your product so visible, credible, and widely used that it becomes an obvious choice for larger companies, enabling you to move upmarket.

Start community small, curated, and high-touch—then grow deliberately, not explosively.

Notion began with ~20 ambassadors identified from existing organic advocates and slowly added small cohorts monthly via a light application process. This preserved intimacy, allowed real relationships to form, and prevented the “shouting into an auditorium” effect of oversized communities.

Design different community structures for different goals and stages.

Camille uses a 2x2 (product-market fit vs. not, consumer vs. enterprise) to choose formats: e.g., customer advisory boards for pre-PMF enterprise, champion programs and consultant ecosystems post-PMF enterprise, and ambassador/influencer programs for post-PMF prosumer products.

Align incentives so community members can build their own businesses on your product.

Notion nurtured a thriving ecosystem of template sellers and consultants, some making six figures or more. By providing education, support, and visibility, they turned users into financially motivated evangelists who drive adoption inside companies.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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The way that you think about product market fit, you have to think about content market fit.

Camille Ricketts

Community-led growth is when your community helps you achieve such ubiquity and name recognition that it actually allows you to start moving upmarket into the enterprise.

Camille Ricketts

One of the worst things you can do is say, ‘Let’s cut this off at the knees if it’s not generating ROI,’ when you’re seeing organic fervor around your product.

Camille Ricketts

If your product creates something people want to share because it says something about who they are, community becomes a no‑brainer.

Camille Ricketts

I love using the word discovery, because true discovery is when you have intent to find out more—not just awareness.

Camille Ricketts

Definition and mechanics of community-led growthDesigning and scaling ambassador, champion, and consultant programsWhen community is (and isn’t) a good growth strategyContent marketing as a product: achieving content market fitTactics for high-impact content (First Round Review, Notion, Stripe Atlas)Metrics and attribution for brand, discovery, and communityEvolving role of PR, media, and influencers in modern growth

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