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Lenny's PodcastLessons from one of the world’s top executive recruiters | Lauren Ipsen (Daversa Partners, GC)
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Top recruiter reveals how to hire and become elite PM talent
- Executive recruiter Lauren Ipsen shares hard‑won lessons from placing 80+ senior leaders, focusing on how founders, product leaders, and recruiters can all get much better at hiring and career-building.
- For founders, she stresses defining the real mandate of a product role, avoiding over-hiring for brand-name executives, and constantly nurturing relationships with top talent long before there’s an open headcount.
- For PMs and product leaders, she emphasizes building breadth of experience, creating clear, referenceable impact, and always keeping a pulse on the market rather than job-hunting reactively.
- She also critiques common recruiter mistakes, arguing that long-term, relationship-first recruiting grounded in genuine listening and trust outperforms transactional tactics for everyone involved.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasHire for the stage and mandate, not for the biggest logo.
Founders often chase CPOs from giant companies, but those leaders may be far from the work and mismatched for an early-stage environment; focus instead on someone close to execution who can both PM and lead, and who fits what your company needs right now.
Define success and the role sharply before you start hiring.
Clarify what this person must accomplish in the first 90 days, 12 months, and beyond, including whether they’ll be hands-on, vision-led, design-leaning, growth-focused, etc.—otherwise the search is effectively “doomed from inception.”
Continuously keep a pulse on the market and build relationships early.
Both founders and PMs should always know which companies and individuals are thriving, proactively meet “what good looks like,” and nurture those connections through advising, informal chats, and lightweight collaboration long before there’s a job on the table.
Use product leadership archetypes and org design to avoid unicorn roles.
Rather than hiring one ‘head of product’ to do everything, decide whether you need platform/infrastructure, core/consumer, or specialist (e.g., growth/monetization), and build an org plan that sequences these hires instead of bundling them into a fantasy profile.
For PM careers, breadth plus clear impact beats logo-collecting.
To maximize future opportunities, PMs should work across different product domains and company stages, stay long enough to leave measurable, referenceable impact, and avoid hopping just for titles or brand names that don’t reflect real outcomes.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesYou never want to put yourself in a position where you have no idea what good looks like.
— Lauren Ipsen
The general advice is: who is going to be best for this specific role at this specific time, not who is the best talent in the world.
— Lauren Ipsen
If you are in an actual search, then you should devote all of your time to it.
— Lauren Ipsen
Logo collecting is never something that you want to be known for.
— Lauren Ipsen
People aren’t just a commodity. You have to play the long game.
— Lauren Ipsen
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