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$500M CEO: The Simple Mindset Trick for Achieving Your Dreams | Jesse Cole

He slept in his socks on a garage floor because it was too filthy to touch. That was Jesse Cole eight years ago, broke, sleeping on an air mattress, betting everything on a wooden bat baseball team nobody wanted.

Jesse ColeguestLewis Howeshost

Aug 5, 20261h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

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From air mattress to belief: the early Savannah grind
Jesse Cole recounts launching the Savannah team with his wife, immediately facing brutal financial pressure, low ticket sales, and the reality of going deep into debt. The chapter sets the stakes with the moment his wife says they have to sell their house and explains how doubt from others was constant from the beginning.
- •Jesse describes getting married and then going over a million dollars in debt while trying to build the team
- •They were sleeping on an air bed, down to their last dollars, and only selling a couple of tickets early on
- •Emily tells Jesse they need to sell their house to keep going
- •Lewis frames the core question: how to keep believing when nearly everyone says you’re crazy
Bored as a coach: the spark to reinvent the experience
Jesse explains how his playing career ended after a shoulder injury and why coaching and traditional baseball left him feeling bored. Seeing families and kids disengaged in the stands pushed him to ask why there wasn’t nonstop action and entertainment built into the experience.
- •Jesse shares losing his playing dream after tearing his shoulder in college
- •He realizes as a coach he’s bored despite understanding the strategy and flow of the game
- •He observes that kids and families aren’t engaged with the on-field action
- •He starts asking why there isn’t constant entertainment, music, and action
A 23-year-old GM with $268 in the bank: building an entertainment lab
Given a GM role with the worst team in the country, Jesse treats the situation like a testing ground. He studies entertainment models and experiments relentlessly with promotions and fan interaction, turning failures into learning and slowly building attendance.
- •Jesse says he became a GM at 23 for a struggling team in North Carolina with $268 in the bank
- •He studies Walt Disney, P.T. Barnum, Cirque du Soleil, WWE, and SNL for entertainment principles
- •He tests wild promotions and on-field entertainment to keep fans paying attention
- •Over a decade of experimenting, attendance grows significantly and the team becomes profitable
Why promotions weren’t enough: changing the ‘hotdog,’ not just the condiments
Lewis asks why the early success didn’t become what it is today, and Jesse explains the limitations of being in a traditional league. He uses a metaphor: promotions are condiments, but the core product is the game itself—and that needed to change.
- •Jesse explains they were constrained by traditional league rules and had to play standard baseball
- •He and the team studied when fans left and when attention dropped during games
- •He compares promotions to condiments and the game itself to the hotdog that must work
- •He concludes the actual game needed redesign, not just the surrounding entertainment
“Start small, dream big”: the first Banana Ball tests during COVID and beyond
Jesse details how Banana Ball began as small experiments, including scrimmage-style tests and an early COVID-era game with limited attendance. He describes the confusion, chaos, and iteration that led from a one-city ‘world tour’ to multi-city expansion.
- •Jesse describes the mindset phrase: “Start small, dream big,” used to frame early experiments
- •They tested Banana Ball during COVID with limited fans and a split squad game
- •Early rules created confusion and ‘chaos,’ but the team learned by iterating
- •They progressed from a one-city ‘world tour’ to seven cities and continued expanding after that
Leaving the safe bet: cutting ties with traditional baseball despite pushback
As demand for Banana Ball grew, Jesse explains why they made a clean break from traditional baseball even though the standard summer season was profitable and sold out. He describes criticism from consultants and traditionalists and emphasizes the mission wasn’t primarily about money.
- •Jesse says away-game crowds expected Banana Ball but were getting traditional games, creating pressure to change
- •He describes intense criticism after deciding to leave traditional baseball behind
- •He notes consultants urged them to keep traditional baseball because it was the safe, profitable path
- •Jesse emphasizes the desire to reach far more fans and scale joy beyond a single season and city
Rebuilding Savannah from scratch: all-inclusive tickets, mistakes, and nonstop show elements
Jesse recounts arriving to a gutted stadium with cut phone and internet lines and a tiny, young staff. To get people to try the experience, they made tickets all-inclusive and built a brand packed with characters and entertainment, learning through painful operational mistakes.
- •Jesse describes arriving to an empty stadium where the previous team took everything and utilities were cut
- •He shares the timeline of running out of money and selling their house to keep going
- •They made every ticket all-inclusive with food and drinks included and eliminated added fees
- •They made big operational mistakes early, then kept improving while adding entertainment elements like dance teams and bands
Eliminating what drags: identifying the boring parts and designing faster, weirder rules
Jesse explains how studying fan behavior—especially people leaving early—convinced him the game length and pacing were the real problem. He built an ‘idea book’ to list slow or dull parts of baseball and applied a rule of thumb: whatever’s normal, do the opposite.
- •Jesse describes tracking crowd drop-off at set intervals and noticing major exits around the two-hour mark
- •He argues a great experience shouldn’t make people want to leave early
- •He starts an idea book and stresses that generating more ideas increases the chance of good ideas
- •He lists examples of ‘boring parts’ (like mound visits and stepping out) and uses the principle: do the opposite of what’s normal
Growth without chasing money: discomfort with valuations, obsession with joy, and being misunderstood
Lewis characterizes the rapid growth, and Jesse pushes back on thinking in terms of money, preferring impact and joy. Jesse references being willing to be misunderstood, discusses how the yellow tux is an authentic expression, and explains why he avoids getting stuck in over-introspection.
- •Jesse says he’s proud of playing in front of millions of fans and wants to bring joy to billions
- •He shares that talk of money or valuations makes him uncomfortable and cites Walt Disney’s dislike of discussing money
- •He says innovators must be willing to be misunderstood and notes early Savannah skepticism made sense before people saw the product
- •He explains the yellow tux as permission-giving energy and acknowledges feelings like imposter syndrome in bigger rooms
Playing the upper deck: scaling into MLB and 100,000-seat stadiums with fan-first details
Jesse describes the leap into their first Major League stadium, the doubts inside the organization, and the mindset of winning the farthest seats first. He outlines operational scale—traveling with hundreds—and the deliberate tactics used to make huge venues feel personal.
- •Jesse recalls taking the staff to the upper deck at their first MLB stadium to focus on the hardest seats to serve
- •He describes a major failure during that event when the ticket system went down, and how they pushed through
- •He emphasizes one-fan-at-a-time thinking even in massive venues
- •He describes activation zones around large stadiums so cast and players interact throughout the venue
The pre-show becomes the main show: intentional arrival-to-exit experience design
Lewis connects Jesse’s approach to lessons he learned from Cirque du Soleil, arguing the pre-show sets the tone. Jesse expands on creating an all-day experience with early entry, autograph sessions, stage shows, marches through the crowd, and the importance of the final impression.
- •Lewis shares his takeaway: “the pre-show is the show,” and Jesse agrees that tone-setting is intentional
- •Jesse describes rope drop, characters, opening numbers, and extended pre-show programming before the game
- •Players greet fans early with autograph signing, then a stage show and a march/high-five line through the crowd
- •Jesse emphasizes: “Your last impression leaves a lasting impression,” including staying to sign for fans long after games
Fear of irrelevance and the search for love: childhood roots of his drive
Lewis asks where Jesse’s fear of boredom and irrelevance comes from, prompting Jesse to share vulnerable memories. Jesse describes growing up as an only child with few friends, seeking attention and connection, and feeling motivated by wanting others to feel seen, loved, and heard.
- •Jesse describes childhood loneliness and not having many friends when he was young
- •He connects that to learning to create excitement and attention, including getting many detentions for joking around
- •He shares that his dad didn’t say “I love you” when he was a kid and his birth mother wasn’t consistently present
- •He explains that building experiences where fans feel seen and loved is a positive channel for those motivations
Foster care, adoption, and purpose with Emily: building ‘Bananas Foster’
Jesse describes how Emily committed fully during their financial crisis and later led the push to become foster parents during COVID. He recounts two foster placements, the challenges of the system, and how both journeys ultimately led to adoption and a broader mission celebrated through their events.
- •Jesse explains Emily’s immediate commitment to sell their house and move fully to Savannah during the struggle
- •During COVID, Emily studies foster care and asks Jesse to become foster parents, and he agrees
- •They foster a young child with serious needs, then later take in a newborn from the NICU with drugs in her system
- •Jesse describes a Mother’s Day message from the birth mother and the later adoption of two children, plus creating ‘Bananas Foster’ to honor fostering families
Balancing family and touring: staying connected, missing games, and prioritizing presence
Jesse explains the strain of travel and rapid scaling while raising three young kids. He describes how he and Emily stay connected with a daily “roses and buds” practice, how operations run without him, and why he plans surprises and misses games to ensure his kids feel prioritized.
- •Jesse describes the difficulty of raising three kids under eight while the show scales across multiple teams and tours
- •He and Emily share daily ‘roses and buds’ to focus on what went well and what they’re looking forward to
- •Jesse explains that a long-time core team runs shows, accepting 90% execution when he’s absent to enable scaling
- •He shares a personal fear: coming home one day and his kids not running to greet him, motivating him to be fully present when he’s there
Never selling and scaling without dilution: fan-first economics, focus, and the ‘main thing’
Lewis asks about selling or going public and Jesse is unequivocal: never. He argues outside ownership would pressure decisions that extract value from fans, and he explains that scaling too fast would dilute quality—so growth must be deliberate, focused, and values-aligned.
- •Jesse says selling would change priorities toward money and lead to taking away fan-first elements like avoiding fees
- •He argues that fans repay businesses that serve them well, citing massive demand and a multi-million waitlist
- •When asked how to sell far more tickets quickly, Jesse says he wouldn’t because it would dilute the product and water down the experience
- •He identifies the biggest internal challenge as maintaining show standards while scaling, emphasizing the need for obsessive focus and saying no to opportunities for the wrong reasons
Bringing Broadway-level performance to the field: raising the bar with talent and rehearsal
Jesse explains Banana Ball as entertainment-first while still requiring athletic excellence, describing metrics, trick plays, and training. He details how new performers and hybrid talents raise the bar—highlighting a Broadway performer joining as a full-time player—and how the team rehearses like a weekly live show.
- •Jesse says they don’t call it baseball, emphasizing Banana Ball as its own entertainment product
- •He describes obsession with performance metrics, trick plays, and constant novelty so neither players nor fans get bored
- •He shares examples of bar-raising talent, including a Broadway performer joining full-time and singing on major stages
- •He outlines the weekly creative and rehearsal process starting on Tuesdays, with teams rehearsing in Savannah and then executing in new venues each weekend
Three truths, Banana Ball’s biggest event, and defining greatness
In the closing stretch, Lewis asks Jesse for three lessons he’d leave behind, and Jesse focuses on giving, energy, and spreading joy. He previews a major upcoming Banana Ball event on Disney platforms, describes the emotional payoff he hopes to feel afterward, and ends by defining greatness as becoming the best version of yourself and giving your best.
- •Jesse’s three truths include being patient with what you want but impatient in giving to others, doing what gives you energy, and spreading joy
- •He describes an upcoming Banana Ball event he calls their Super Bowl or WrestleMania, featuring all six teams and a massive performance element
- •Jesse says the feeling he wants afterward is to hug his dad and family and celebrate with the team in their final ‘Fans First’ chat
- •He defines greatness as being the best version of yourself, tuned into what makes you feel alive, and giving everything you’ve got

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