Dr Mark Hyman on Eating Fat to Get Healthy - with Lewis Howes

Lewis Howes 0:00 [upbeat music] Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness Podcast. I'm very excited about our guest today. His name is Dr Mark Hyman. Thank you so much for being here.

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:12 I'm so glad to be here, Lewis.

Lewis Howes 0:13 Really excited-

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:14 Thanks for having me

Lewis Howes 0:14 ... about this. Now, you are, are one of the most influential, authoritative leaders in the doctor space that I've been, you know, heard about.

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:24 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:24 And you've been around for a long time. A number of New York Time bestsellers, a number of number one New York Time bestsellers. What are you on, number 12 now?

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:30 12 books, nine New York Times bestsellers. The cookbooks didn't make it, and the last one, the 12th, is just coming out, so cross my fingers. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:37 The 12th is coming out, and it's called Eat Fat Get Thin: Why the Fat We Eat Is the Key to Sustained Weight Loss and Vibrant Health. And essentially what you're saying is completely opposite of what we've been all told our whole lives,

Lewis Howes 0:50 right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:50 Completely.

Lewis Howes 0:51 Why fat is the key to sustained weight loss-

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:53 Yeah, who woulda thunk?

Lewis Howes 0:54 ... and good health.

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:55 Who woulda thunk it, right? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 0:56 Are we not supposed to have fat in our diet? Isn't it bad for us?

Dr. Mark Hyman 0:59 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 0:59 Doesn't it create heart disease and high cholesterol and all these other things that-

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:02 Yeah

Lewis Howes 1:03 ... are bad for us, or is it actually-

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:04 That's what we were all taught, right? That's the whole line. Our government told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread, rice, cereal and pasta today, to eat a low-fat diet.

Lewis Howes 1:13 Ugh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:13 And fats and oils were sparingly, only at the top, supposed to be eaten. And yet that advice led to the worst obesity epidemic and diabetes epidemic in the history of mankind.

Lewis Howes 1:24 That's like the, the food charts that we were, all saw in school, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:27 It's completely opposite of what we should be doing.

Lewis Howes 1:29 Now, how-

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:29 And, and so the science has caught up with, uh, this bad advice.

Lewis Howes 1:33 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:33 And the advice, unfortunately, Lewis, was based on really shoddy science, on very weak evidence-

Lewis Howes 1:39 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:39 ... on pos- a few population studies, not really experimental studies. In fact, all the experimental studies that told us to eat low-fat diets, uh, they actually didn't tell us that we should be doing that. They were actually contradicting the recommendations that were developed in 1980-

Lewis Howes 1:53 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:53 ... by the UK and the USA.

Lewis Howes 1:55 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 1:56 So basically, if you looked at the actual randomized controlled trials that were, there weren't that many, but there was a few of them. They all said that eating low fat wasn't beneficial, but the population-

Lewis Howes 2:06 These were outside of the US, trials?

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:07 No, trials all over.

Lewis Howes 2:08 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:08 Trials in the US.

Lewis Howes 2:09 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:09 They just didn't look at that evidence. So the guideline committees who were working on it didn't, they sort of dismissed that evidence.

Lewis Howes 2:14 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:14 And they had this theory, and they went with the theory. But, 'cause it made sense, right? If you, if you look at calories-

Lewis Howes 2:19 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:19 ... for example, fat has nine calories per gram. Carbs and protein have four calories per gram. So you think, "Well, gee, if it has more calories per gram, eat less of it, you're gonna lose more weight."

Lewis Howes 2:31 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:31 Logical.

Lewis Howes 2:32 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:32 But unfortunately, metabolism is not a math problem.

Lewis Howes 2:36 Ugh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:36 [laughs] You know?

Lewis Howes 2:37 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:37 It's, it's a-

Lewis Howes 2:38 Okay

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:38 ... metabolic problem. It's a hormonal problem. It's not energy balance. The whole idea of calories in, calories out, this is the biggest crock of you know what-

Lewis Howes 2:47 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:47 ... that's been pushed on the American public because there's a message implicit in that, which is-

Lewis Howes 2:51 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:51 ... if you just told someone to lose weight by eating less and exercising more, if they don't do it, it's their fault, right?

Lewis Howes 2:58 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 2:58 Just eat less, exercise more, and if you don't, you're a lazy glutton.

Lewis Howes 3:01 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:01 Right? So it's your fault you're fat.

Lewis Howes 3:04 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:04 Right? But the truth is that it's not. It's not just about calorie balance. In fact, that's what the, uh, the Global Energy Balance, quote, "Global Energy Balance Network," uh, which was a- actually funded by Coca-Cola.

Lewis Howes 3:19 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:20 And the, they actually [laughs] actually funded university scientists to, to kind of be the front people for this nonsense that it's all-

Lewis Howes 3:27 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:27 ... about calories in, calories out, has been completely discredited. The, the New York Times wrote a, a big expose of this. But what we've been taught is that all calories are the same. They're actually not. So

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:37 food is not just energy, it's actually information. It gives instructions.

Lewis Howes 3:40 What do you mean by that?

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:41 Right? So this is, like, a big breakthrough in science, right?

Lewis Howes 3:44 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:44 So food is not just calories, it's actually information. So the information in food communicates with your body every single minute.

Lewis Howes 3:52 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:53 So every bite you take, it turns on or off genes that create health or disease, that make you lose or gain weight.

Lewis Howes 3:58 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 3:58 It turns on or off hormones that make you lose or gain weight or create health or disease. It-

Lewis Howes 4:02 It's like a feedback for you.

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:03 It, it's n- direct instructions.

Lewis Howes 4:05 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:05 And it's, and it works minute by minute. It's not something that takes a long time. It regulates inflammation. It regulates your hormones, as I said. It regulates your brain chemistry. It regulates even your gut microbiome, all the flora in your gut that we now know are linked to everything from weight gain-

Lewis Howes 4:21 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:21 ... diabetes, to heart disease, to cancer, to autoimmune diseases, and so many other things.

Lewis Howes 4:26 It's the gut health, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:27 E- even depression and ADD and autism may be linked to changes in your gut flora. So we now know that when you eat food, it's not just about the energy in it, 'cause if that was true, then you could just survive on soda all day and it wouldn't matter as long as you only ate 1,800 calories of soda. And I had this argument-

Lewis Howes 4:43 [laughs] Right, right, right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:44 I had this argument with the vice chairman of Pepsi. We had dinner together, and I'm telling you-

Lewis Howes 4:47 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 4:48 Yeah, we had dinner. [laughs] And the guy in between us, because I was sitting here, he was sitting here. The guy was like, was like being in the middle of, like, a war zone. And I, I said to him, "How can you say that, how can you say that eating 1,800 calories of soda is the same as having 1,800 ca- 100 calories of broccoli or almonds?"

Lewis Howes 5:04 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:04 He says, "Well, as, as long as you have that amount of calories, you're not gonna-

Lewis Howes 5:08 No

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:08 ... it's not gonna be any different." I said, "That's just not how the body works."

Lewis Howes 5:10 You're not getting the nutritional value from that, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:12 Right. I mean, when you ... Well, it's not even the nutritional. So just, just, like, look at 1,000 calories. Let's say, uh, 750 calories of broccoli is-

Lewis Howes 5:18 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:18 ... is 21 cups, 35 grams of fiber, half a teaspoon of sugar-

Lewis Howes 5:22 Wow. [laughs] That's a lot

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:24 ... and tons of phytonutrients, phytochemicals that upregulate, uh, your genes that, that actually help you prevent cancer-

Lewis Howes 5:30 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:30 ... that improve hormone metabolism, it's so many things, right? Same calories from a Big Gulp, 750 calories.

Lewis Howes 5:37 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:37 46 teaspoons of sugar.

Lewis Howes 5:39 Ugh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:39 Right? High fructose corn syrup. Upregulates your liver to turn on a fat production factory that makes high triglycerides.

Lewis Howes 5:45 Stores fat more, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:46 Stores fat, lowers triglycerides.

Lewis Howes 5:48 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:48 I mean, lo- raises triglycerides, lowers the good cholesterol, causes a fatty liver, raises hormones-

Lewis Howes 5:54 Oh, man

Dr. Mark Hyman 5:54 ... that, that make you, um, in women, make them grow hair on their face and have lost hair on their head. Men, they, drops their testosterone, so they have no sex drive-

Lewis Howes 6:02 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:02 ... and they lose their hair on their bodies. All this from the same- ... calories, right?

Lewis Howes 6:07 The number of calories.

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:08 Calories are the same-

Lewis Howes 6:09 Yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:09 ... but the information in the food is very different. So now we have this concept that is actually, uh, really about the hormonal, I call it the hormonal hypothesis, which I talk about in Eat Fat, Get Thin, which is how do you change your hormones so you're not hungry all the time? 'Cause what-

Lewis Howes 6:23 That's the key

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:23 ... the typical advice, you eat low fat, and you, your, your fat actually makes you satisfied, right?

Lewis Howes 6:28 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:28 'Cause if you, if you eat fat, you're

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:30 not craving all the time, you're not hungry, and it actually is a brain actually food-

Lewis Howes 6:35 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:35 ... because it actually stops the addiction center in the brain from turning on, so you never feel hungry or have any cravings.

Lewis Howes 6:41 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:42 It also speeds up your metabolism. Fat speeds up your metabolism.

Lewis Howes 6:45 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:45 Yeah. And-

Lewis Howes 6:45 So it helps you burn more fat at the same time, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:47 Helps you burn more fat. It releases fat from the fat cells.

Lewis Howes 6:50 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 6:50 Right. So it, it, it makes you less hungry, it's, it makes you burn more fat, and it, and it liberates the fat from the fat cells. So it's really a powerful ... Whereas if you eat sugar, the opposite happens. You get hungrier 'cause you increase insulin. You dra- when you eat-

Lewis Howes 7:04 I used to have so much sugar

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:05 It's terrible. I-

Lewis Howes 7:06 Like, I was addicted to it

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:07 ... all of us were. I mean, I was, too. I was a vegetarian. I ate, like, tons of, of, you know, whole wheat bread and-

Lewis Howes 7:14 Ugh

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:14 ... sugar and honey and everything. All of it. I mean, Grape Nuts and ice cream for breakfast. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 7:19 That's my, that was my life, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:20 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 7:20 So when did you stop, when did the research become known, or the, the facts or the data become known, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:26 It's not even. It's honest- that's why I wrote this book

Lewis Howes 7:28 'Cause you're a doctor and you were eating sugar.

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:29 No. No. It's not even.

Lewis Howes 7:30 When did, when did you start to realize, and when did this information about fat become, you know-

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:34 Well, it's been mounting for decades, right? So it's, it's building on a mountain of id- evidence.

Lewis Howes 7:39 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:39 And in the book, I reviewed over 1,000 studies, or 500 quoted in the book that I referenced.

Lewis Howes 7:44 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:44 They wouldn't let me put more 'cause there was no room in the back of the book. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 7:46 That's too much. Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:47 And, and it's all well-documented, and-

Lewis Howes 7:49 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 7:49 ... and, and the science of this is very powerful. And one of my colleagues, David Ludwig, wrote a book called Always Hungry. He's a Harvard professor. He's done a lot of the research that this is based on, where he practically gave two groups of people same calories, okay, same calories, but changed the percents of fat and carbs.

Lewis Howes 8:06 Uh-huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:07 And it was a very well-controlled study. And in the first group, you know, they had 60% carbs, 20% fat, 20% protein. The other group switched it, 60% fat, 20% carbs, you know, 20% protein. So it's the opposite. And the group that had the high-fat diet burned 300 calories more a day-

Lewis Howes 8:30 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:30 ... by doing nothing e- else.

Lewis Howes 8:31 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:31 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 8:31 Just by having more fat?

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:32 By eating more fat. Their, their metabolism sped up 300 calories. It's like running-

Lewis Howes 8:35 Same amount of calories, though? Damn.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:37 They, they ate the same amount of calories in, but they-

Lewis Howes 8:39 But they burned 300 more

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:39 ... right, 'cause their metabolism sped up.

Lewis Howes 8:41 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:42 Right. So in other words, it's like running an hour a day without getting off the couch.

Lewis Howes 8:45 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:46 Right?

Lewis Howes 8:46 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:46 That's powerful.

Lewis Howes 8:47 Very powerful.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:48 Yeah. And I know for me, you know, as, as I've seen myself and my patients, transformation's amazing, and their cholesterol gets better.

Lewis Howes 8:55 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:55 It's, it's to- totally contradictory.

Lewis Howes 8:57 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:57 Right? Fat is supposed to raise your cholesterol.

Lewis Howes 8:59 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 8:59 Right? Eating cholesterol is supposed to raise your cholesterol. But for the first time since the dietary guidelines came out in 1980,

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:06 the US Government in 2015 completely reversed their stance on fat.

Lewis Howes 9:10 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:11 There's no more restriction.

Lewis Howes 9:12 When did this happen?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:13 Like, uh, January, first week of January 2016.

Lewis Howes 9:16 This year?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:17 This year.

Lewis Howes 9:17 Like a few weeks ago?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:18 A few weeks ago.

Lewis Howes 9:19 They just changed this?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:19 They changed this completely.

Lewis Howes 9:21 The whole guide?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:22 Completely. So they were-

Lewis Howes 9:23 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:23 ... first time, they said, "Forget about fat. You can eat as much as you want."

Lewis Howes 9:27 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:28 No, no limit on fat.

Lewis Howes 9:29 This is the government, huh?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:29 The government, the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee-

Lewis Howes 9:33 Holy cow

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:33 ... established these recommendations. This is a scientific group that establishes guidelines for the government, helps them shape policy, and then the, the government makes the policy. They kind of, they kind of did some-

Lewis Howes 9:43 Based around this research or this committee?

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:44 Yeah. They, they, they, they said, you know, "No worry about fat. Don't worry about cholesterol. Eggs are back." Right? Eggs are back. You know, forget about the egg white omelets. Just eat the whole egg.

Lewis Howes 9:54 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 9:55 Completely. And they said there's, uh, they, what they ... It was, it made, it made me laugh. They said, uh, nutr- uh, "Cholesterol is no longer a nutrient of concern." Quote, "nutrient of concern." Like, whoa, we got it wrong for 35 years. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 10:06 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:07 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 10:07 So it's like ...

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:08 It's totally different. And they al- they also said that we should, for the first time they said we should reduce sugar. Now, the, the, the policy advisors, who are the scientists, said, "We should limit sugar sweetened beverages 'cause they're proven to be linked to obesity and diabetes." But the government, because of the food lobby, changed the wording to say, "No, we should be restricting added sugars. We should eat less added sugars." Now, what's an added sugar?

Lewis Howes 10:34 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:35 It doesn't say added sugar on the label.

Lewis Howes 10:37 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:37 So how do you know?

Lewis Howes 10:38 Sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:38 Because the food labeling from the FDA is also influenced by the food lobby.

Lewis Howes 10:42 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:42 So it should say added sugar on the label, not just sugar.

Lewis Howes 10:46 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:46 Right? So you don't know.

Lewis Howes 10:47 Right. Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 10:48 So this is designed to totally confuse people. But the truth is that this is a huge advance, and now we, we actually have come to realize that this is not true. So the science around, uh, fat and how your body burns fat and what makes you fat is all really clear now.

Lewis Howes 11:01 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:01 And it's all based on this hormone idea of insulin, which is a fat storage hormone.

Lewis Howes 11:06 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:06 So anything you eat that increases insulin, which is sugar-

Lewis Howes 11:09 Sugar

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:09 ... refined flour. I mean, white flour raises your blood sugar more than table sugar. So if you had two slices of white bread, it raises your blood sugar more than a tablespoon-

Lewis Howes 11:17 No way

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:18 ... of table sugar. People are like, "I'm eating whole wheat bread." It's just as bad. Unless the bread is so f- like, dense that you can stand on it without it squishing, then you shouldn't eat it.

Lewis Howes 11:27 You shouldn't eat it.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:28 No. Like the German rye bread.

Lewis Howes 11:29 Gosh, I love bread, though.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:30 Yeah. Everybody loves bread.

Lewis Howes 11:31 That's a challenge.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:32 Every- now, the bread we eat isn't the bread we ate, right?

Lewis Howes 11:34 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:34 So our ancestors ate very different bread.

Lewis Howes 11:35 It's not the hard bread that was like-

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:37 It was very coarse.

Lewis Howes 11:38 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:38 And we only had the, the grain mills that started in the 1800s.

Lewis Howes 11:41 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:41 Before that, we couldn't eat refined grain. And, and, and now even whole wheat is super refined. It's just, you know-

Lewis Howes 11:47 And, and are all grains bad as well, in your opinion?

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:49 No, I don't think all grains are bad.

Lewis Howes 11:50 Oh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 11:50 I, you know, I joke, I say, you know, in the book I talk about, you know, an induction plan, like basically a, a, a way to get quick start to change you from, like, just re- Being storing fat to burning fat to eating fat to f- Mm-hmm ... makes you thin. Uh, and that's a 21-day plan. And after that, I talk about how you transition to what I call a PEGAN diet,

Dr. Mark Hyman 12:08 which- PEGAN? PEGAN, as opposed to paleo or vegan. Okay. It's was kind of a joke, 'cause one day I was sitting- In between? Yeah, I was sitting on a panel with two friends of mine. One was a vegan cardiologist- [laughs] ... and the other was, like, a paleo doctor. Sure. And I was like, "Well, I don't know. I guess I must be a PEGAN 'cause I'm in the middle here." [laughs] And- Okay. What does a PEGAN diet look like? So a PEGAN diet, you know, what's, what's amazing, um, Lewis, is that the, the principles of paleo and vegan are often very similar. So both groups believe that we should be eating whole, unprocessed, unrefined foods. Yes. We should get rid of food additives, hormones- Foods from the ground. Yeah, everything. You know. Yeah. No antibiotics, no hormones, no pesticides, no GMO. We should be ha- having no MSG, no artificial sweeteners, no high-fructose corn syrup. Yeah. Everybody agrees that, that, that's true. We also agree that everybody should be eating lots of fruits and vegetables. Yes. Right? L- heavy on the plant foods. Yep. Basic principles. Both agree that we shouldn't have dairy, which is interesting. Yes. Right? We'll talk about that. In paleo, no dairy as well, right? No dairy, right. Yeah. No dairy. No beans. I guess there's some of them that say, like, some specific cheeses or something, or- Yeah. You know, grass-fed butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, there's some things. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, but it's, but the, the proteins in dairy are very inflammatory, and the dairy, again, we eat isn't the dairy we ate. We've hybridized our cows. It's all fertilized by one c- bull. Right. It's not organic dairy. It's like- It's, and it's not organic. It's not raw. It's not how our ancestors ate it. Pumped with steroids and- Right Yeah, yeah. Okay. Even organic cows, they pump, uh, milk them when they're pregnant, and there's, it's full of hormones. Mm. Okay. And also, you know, it's, it's just not always tolerated well by many people. Right. And then, um- What else do they both have in common? Ev- everybody agrees that we should be, uh, eating foods that- that, um, are phytonutrient rich, that are nutrient dense. And, and we should be eating lots of nuts and seeds and lots of good oils, like avocados- Mm-hmm ... and olive oil. What's g- what's phytonutrient? What does that mean? Phytonutrient is a, is a chemical that's in plant foods. Phyto means plant. And it's not a vitamin or mineral. Mm. It's not a protein, fat, or carb, or fiber. It's something else. Interesting. So for example, like broccoli has glucosinolates, which upregulates detoxification. Okay. Catechins are in green tea, which are powerful detoxifiers of metal and powerful antioxidants. [smacks lips] Uh, tomatoes have lycopene- Mm ... which is a powerful, uh, cancer preventer for prostate cancer. Okay. Uh, so, so, uh, an- uh, anthocyanidins. You can have black rice, which has anthocyanidins, which are powerful antioxidants that are in black rice. It's emperor's rice. Love that. It's also very low glycemic. Sure. So I think, uh, the- the- the things that, uh, they, that this, they disagree on are basically beans, grains, and meat. Like, where you get your protein from. Right. Everything else is everybody- It's the same ... it's the same. Paleo and vegan is the same- Same ... except for meat, beans, and- Yeah ... more so- And protein. Okay. I mean, a- and beans, uh, beans, grains, and protein. Beans, grains, and protein. Okay. Like, right, and I mean, you know, like, uh, you know, meat. Right. And so- Yeah, sure ... you know, what I realize is that, you know, I, I think many people who, who are sick do better when you take out certain things that can be inflammatory or high glycemic. So if you're, for example, carbohydrate intolerant and you're diabetic, which affects a lot of people. Mm-hmm. I talk about how do you find out if you're carbohydrate intolerant in the book, which is there's a questionnaire. You can tell if you actually know if you're someone- Mm ... who's carbohydrate intolerant. Okay. Like someone who's gluten intolerant. That means that they eat a lot of starch, so if they have, like, two cups of rice, even if it's brown rice, or two cups of beans, it can adversely affect their sugar. So I talk about, like, having less, like having smaller portions of beans and grains. Sure. And non-gluten grains in particular. Right. Because gluten can be very inflammatory for many people. Um, I think for some people who don't react to it, it can be fine, but not in large amounts. Mm-hmm. And then I think, uh, you know, meat is a big, is the big issue, right? Sure. The meat is the big issue. So should we be eating meat? 'Cause we just, we were just had dinner the other night. Right. We both had meat, right? We had fish. Uh, we had fish. Yeah. We had black cod. Yes. It was great. Which was, which was awesome. I had a mahi mahi. You had a black cod. Is that what it was? Oh, yeah, I had the, yeah, I had the black cod. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had the black cod. It's great. The guy next to me had meatballs. [laughs] Yeah. The guy next to me had carne asada. [laughs] But, you know, so, so the issues around meat also, uh, I think are everybody agrees, and fish, everybody agrees that if, if anybody eats meat, it should be humanely raised, it should be sustainably raised- Grass-fed ... it should be grass-fed. Yeah. It should be not harming the environment. The ethical and the environmental issues around animal feeding are big and they're real. Yeah. I mean, I have many Buddhist patients. I have a, a Buddhist monk who's, like, a abbot who's a, you know, is a diabetic, and he's never gonna eat an animal. You know? Sure, sure. So I, I need to tell him, help him understand how to, he never even eat an egg, how to eat a high- Mm ... higher fat protein diet, which is low glycemic. Right. So we can do that. Okay. Right? So, um, more nuts and seeds, you know, less rice, more beans, you know, just there's, there's strategies for, for doing that. Sure. And he did great. He lost 35 pounds, reverses diabetes, and now I have- Wow ... like, tons of bun people, you know, praying for me. [laughs] That's great. Uh, yeah. And, uh,

Dr. Mark Hyman 16:53 and then the, the, uh, the meat thing is tricky 'cause, uh, you know, it's also, um, an environmental risk. If you're eating factory farmed animals- Yeah ... there's antibiotics in that. A- and there's, uh, runoff from the pesticides and fertilizers that damages our water supply, and rivers and lakes. There's, uh, climate change that happens from the methane produced. It's more, more toxic to the environment than carbon dioxide. Right. There's so, and the, there's high energy use. One-fifth of all our fossil fuels are used for growing animals for human consumption. Uh, o- you know, our water is, is being used up at incredible rates for, for feeding animals. There's, there's basically- Mm ... uh, I think 70% of all water use, and there's basically only 5% of the world's surface is, is fresh water- Is usable right now ... is fresh water. Yeah, yeah. Right? 1% is in Russia. [laughs] Wow. And only 4% for the rest of us. And, and 70% of that is being used for feeding animals for human consumption. So there's real- Oh ... environmental issues. Sure. So I think c- I, you know, a factory farming is just should be not supported in any way, and we need to change that. Yeah. And that means we need to, to change our patterns of consumption around meat. Mm. We need to downsize our meat consumption. I call it having condom meat.

Lewis Howes 18:05 Condameat

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:05 ... condameat, as opposed to con- like a condiment.

Lewis Howes 18:07 Uh-huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:07 Like condameat. You know, it should be-

Lewis Howes 18:09 Okay

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:09 ... as a side dish or a dressing if you're gonna eat it.

Lewis Howes 18:11 Sure, sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:12 And I think, um-

Lewis Howes 18:13 Not a full plate of steak, you mean? [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:15 You know, I think th- there's, there's three issues with, with meat, right? There's environmental issues, there's moral issues-

Lewis Howes 18:21 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:21 ... and there's health issues. So we kinda talked about the moral. I think that's-

Lewis Howes 18:25 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:25 ... people are entitled to their beliefs, and they should be able to follow whatever they want and be healthy. The environmental issues are real.

Lewis Howes 18:31 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:31 And I think w- everybody would agree, whether they're paleo, vegan, that we need to stop harming the environment, and I think even if you're not paleo or vegan, everybody r- really releases, believes that.

Lewis Howes 18:39 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:39 In fact, the dietary advisory committee that was advising the government said we should limit meat consumption because of the environmental impact, right?

Lewis Howes 18:49 Hmm. Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:49 Now, if every, if you, if you have grass-fed meat and if you have sustainably raised meat, you can't, there's, it's not as, as abundant. You can't produce as much, and so we-

Lewis Howes 18:58 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:58 ... all have to eat less of it. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 18:59 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 18:59 And it's more expensive, so-

Lewis Howes 19:00 Exactly

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:00 ... but that's okay. And I think that, that from a health point of view, when I really looked at the literature, and I did this in, in Eat Fat, Get Thin, I looked at all the research that I could find on meat. 'Cause I was ... I'm like, "Well, I don't know. I don't-"

Lewis Howes 19:11 You wanna know for yourself, too.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:12 Yeah. I'm like, "I'm, I'm recommending to my patients. I'm, you know, a human, too, and I wanna live a long time."

Lewis Howes 19:17 Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:17 "And I don't wanna be doing something stupid."

Lewis Howes 19:19 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:20 So I wanted to find out what, what does the science tell us about meat?

Lewis Howes 19:24 And so you did all the research.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:25 So I looked at all the research, and I wrote 8,000 words in the book on meat.

Lewis Howes 19:29 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:29 There's a lot of research in there.

Lewis Howes 19:30 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:30 And I address all these issues, you know, environmental and moral, and the health issues were quite interesting. You know, when we look at the studies on meat, and anybody can quote anything saying anything, right?

Lewis Howes 19:38 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:38 So you want the paleo people like, "Uh, meat's healthy. Here's all the research," and the vegan be like, "Meat's gonna kill you. Here's all the research."

Lewis Howes 19:43 Here's the... Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:44 So it's like, and then you're a, the average Joe, you're totally confused, and you're average doctor, you're totally confused because we get no training in nutrition. So-

Lewis Howes 19:50 And they haven't done the research themselves.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:52 And, no, I mean-

Lewis Howes 19:52 So they're going off of their opinion or their theory.

Dr. Mark Hyman 19:54 Yeah. They're, they're like the average people like the rest of us in terms of nutrition science. They don't know because it's not what we learn, right?

Lewis Howes 20:00 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:00 I mean, I, I just, at, I'm at Cleveland Clinic, and we implemented a nutrition curriculum for the first time in the medical school. They have this integrated in-

Lewis Howes 20:07 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:07 ... which is so great. And-

Lewis Howes 20:08 That's awesome

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:09 ... I, I helped Tim Ryan, who's a congressman from Ohio, introduce-

Lewis Howes 20:12 Tim. Yeah, he's great.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:13 Tim. Love Tim. He's great.

Lewis Howes 20:13 Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:13 Has he been on your show? He's-

Lewis Howes 20:14 He's been on here, yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:15 ... he's great. You know, introduce a bill called The ENRICH Act, which was a bill that is funding $15 million to fund nutrition in medical schools. Nutrition education for doctors.

Lewis Howes 20:26 Ooh, interesting. That's what we need the most because doctors-

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:29 Yeah

Lewis Howes 20:29 ... a lot of the time, I feel like, could heal a lot of their patients through-

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:33 With food

Lewis Howes 20:33 ... food.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:33 Oh, my God. Well, food is the cause of most chronic disease. It's the cure for most chronic disease, and yet doctors know nothing about food.

Lewis Howes 20:39 And they just medicate a lot of the times and-

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:40 I know. I mean, listen, it's so bad. I mean, I use food as medicine. That's what I-

Lewis Howes 20:43 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:43 Food is the most powerful drug on the planet.

Lewis Howes 20:46 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:46 I mean, that's why last week I was in Cleveland at the hospital teaching 300 Black women how to cook in a cooking class.

Lewis Howes 20:52 There you go.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:52 Like, that's what doctors should be doing-

Lewis Howes 20:54 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:54 ... 'cause that's how I'm gonna get people healthy.

Lewis Howes 20:55 That's real medicine, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:56 That's real medicine. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 20:57 Now, just, just a quick side note.

Dr. Mark Hyman 20:58 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 20:59 What is your involvement with ... What is functional medicine, and what is your involvement at the Cleveland Clinic?

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:02 Can I, can I finish my meat?

Lewis Howes 21:03 Yes, go ahead.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:04 That I was still-

Lewis Howes 21:05 Yes, yes, yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:05 ... I was still rolling on the meat.

Lewis Howes 21:06 Go for it.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:06 And then we'll talk about functional medicine, and then we'll talk about Cleveland Clinic.

Lewis Howes 21:08 Yes. Perfect. Perfect.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:09 'Cause people wanna know. Like, they're like-

Lewis Howes 21:10 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:10 ... "Well, what about meat?" They're, like, probably listening, going, "Meat?"

Lewis Howes 21:11 Yeah, let's do it.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:12 So, so the science, um-

Lewis Howes 21:14 8,000 words.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:15 Eight, I'm not gonna give you 8,000 words.

Lewis Howes 21:16 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:16 But I'll give you a f- I'll give you a few hundred.

Lewis Howes 21:18 Perfect. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:18 So, [laughs] so the science of meat, uh, was fascinating.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:21 So when I looked at the studies that showed it was harmful, here's wh- here's what they were. They were mostly population studies, meaning they looked at groups of people, followed them, and then they asked questions of them. "What did you eat last year? What did you eat last week? What did you eat last, you know, month?" You know, and they basically do these food frequency questionnaires, and then they correlate that with the risk of disease. And they try to control for all the confounding factors, but it's very tough. So the people who ate meat, yeah, they had more heart disease-

Lewis Howes 21:46 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:46 ... and more cancer-

Lewis Howes 21:46 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:46 ... and more death. But what else was-

Lewis Howes 21:49 They were smoking, they were drinking-

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:50 Yeah, exactly. So-

Lewis Howes 21:50 ... they weren't sleeping-

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:51 Right. Exactly. So-

Lewis Howes 21:52 ... they're stressed out

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:53 ... so if you look at the data, they, they had, they ate a hundred, 800 or more calories a day.

Lewis Howes 21:56 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:56 They almost ate no fruits and vegetables.

Lewis Howes 21:58 Tons of sugar.

Dr. Mark Hyman 21:58 They had tons of sugar and processed food, lots of fried foods, drank more, smoked more, didn't exercise, and didn't take any vitamins and minerals. Well, guess what?

Lewis Howes 22:06 You're gonna get-

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:06 They weren't as healthy as the other people.

Lewis Howes 22:08 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:08 So w- most of the studies were like that. Now, there was a few studies that were interesting I found. One was a study of 11,000 people who shopped at health food stores, and they found there were, like, a lot of vegetarians and a lot of meat eaters.

Lewis Howes 22:19 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:20 Like, so who are the people who are, you know, like, healthy meat eaters who only eat grass-fed meat or who ... 'Cause most of these studies were not on grass-fed meat, either. They were on-

Lewis Howes 22:27 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:27 ... factory farm meat, right? So, so then again, how do you generalize that?

Lewis Howes 22:31 Sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:31 But then there were these 11,000 people, and they followed them for many years, and they found that the meat eaters and the vegetarians, there was no difference in their health outcomes.

Lewis Howes 22:39 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:39 Exactly the same. So if you're a meat eater who basically eats a healthy diet and has grass-fed meat versus a vegan or vegetarian, no difference in health outcomes.

Lewis Howes 22:46 And you have a healthy lifestyle.

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:47 Healthy lifestyle, then there's no difference. So there's other factors, like how it affects your gut flora and so on, and I think, you know, those are more complicated issues. I address all of them in the book.

Lewis Howes 22:57 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 22:57 But at the end of the day, I think it's okay if you have no moral issues and you can eat sustainably raised meat and in, not in great quantities and as part of your diet, I think it's okay.

Lewis Howes 23:05 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 23:06 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:06 Bottom line.

Lewis Howes 23:06 So what does your daily diet look like?

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:09 Oh, gosh.

Lewis Howes 23:09 The doctor himself.

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:10 So today I had, uh, I was, uh, uh, I had a, I had a protein shake 'cause I went to this friend of mine's, uh, company called Essential Foods, Living Foods, and he had this, uh, it was, like, a hemp, uh, coconut-

Lewis Howes 23:24 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:24 ... chia, moringa, like, coconut cream, like, protein powder-

Lewis Howes 23:29 Mm, sounds amazing

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:29 ... with lots of ... Yeah. And I had a couple of that, uh, with a s- spoon of coconut butter for fat-

Lewis Howes 23:34 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:34 ... and almond butter for fat and, uh, and blended that up. That was my breakfast, and then lunch was, um, I had a big salad with lots of avocado, olive oil-

Lewis Howes 23:43 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:43 ... and some wild salmon, which has fat. So that was, and dinner I haven't had yet. So, [laughs]

Lewis Howes 23:47 Cool. Awesome.

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:48 At dinner I'll usually have, you know, a small piece of protein and, like, I'll, I, I'll put 75% of my vegetable plate as vegetables.

Lewis Howes 23:54 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:55 So if I go out to eat, I'll order, like, three sides of vegetables, right?

Lewis Howes 23:57 Mm-hmm. Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 23:58 And, and if, if you look at your plate, you know, by, by volume, 70 or 80% of your diet should be plant foods-

Lewis Howes 24:06 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:06 ... and non-starchy veggies, right?

Lewis Howes 24:08 Not potatoes and-

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:09 Right. And, right, and by, and by, um- ... calories, it should be like 50 to 60% fat. Because-

Lewis Howes 24:18 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:18 ... but fat doesn't take up a lot of space, so you can get a lot of calories in a little space and still eat, like if you put a lot of olive oil on your thing or even-

Lewis Howes 24:25 Sure, sure

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:25 ... coconut butter. So you don't have to worry about it. And you just have to eat. And that, you know, the, the trick is I don't worry about how much I eat, I just worry about what I eat.

Lewis Howes 24:33 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:33 And I make sure I have stuff. Like I, I know that I'm gonna be like here, and I know how long it's gonna be, so I always bring stuff-

Lewis Howes 24:39 Ooh

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:39 ... in my pocket.

Lewis Howes 24:40 Is that almond butter?

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:40 Almond butter.

Lewis Howes 24:41 Oh, that's nice.

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:41 So I just have a pocket. I know I'm never gonna be in a food emergency, so I'm-

Lewis Howes 24:44 Sure

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:44 ... not gonna have to eat something crappy. And I, I, I, I think, I know, I eat very little grains, very little beans. I do eat them.

Lewis Howes 24:50 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 24:51 I eat mostly vegetables and f- some low glycemic fruit, and I eat lots of nuts and seeds, and I eat, you know, good quality fish and, and, and animal protein.

Lewis Howes 24:59 What's low glycemic fruit? What does that include?

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:01 So I'm not eating like tons of pineapple and grapes and, you know, like those are sugary things.

Lewis Howes 25:06 Gotcha.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:06 And I eat like berries and a- and I eat, you know, um, well mostly berries.

Lewis Howes 25:11 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:11 And then like I'll eat like an apples or pears sometimes.

Lewis Howes 25:14 Okay, cool.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:14 Or kiwis or grapefruit or mangoes or papaya, things like that.

Lewis Howes 25:17 Nice.

Lewis Howes 25:18 Okay. Uh, so let's go back to functional medicine.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:20 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 25:20 What does that actually mean?

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:22 So functional medicine is, is-

Lewis Howes 25:23 Compared to regular medicine.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:24 Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, my, I don't know if people listening really have a great understanding of-

Lewis Howes 25:28 Sure

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:28 ... like what's happening right now in science.

Lewis Howes 25:29 Uh-huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:30 But it's profound that the shift that's happening in our understanding of the body is, it's like Columbus going, "Hey, the earth isn't flat."

Lewis Howes 25:36 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:37 And, uh-

Lewis Howes 25:37 Right now, the last few years.

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:38 Right. It's just like the last decade or two-

Lewis Howes 25:41 Okay

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:41 ... with our understanding of the human genome, of systems biology, of the body as a biological network-

Lewis Howes 25:46 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 25:46 ... as a system. It's like an ecosystem where everything's connected, working together. And so the way we organize medicine is according to these organs. You know, you've got your cardiovascular system, your neurologic system, your GI system, your, you know, and so you go to all these specialists.

Lewis Howes 26:01 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:01 Right? Everyb- and, and, and everybody treats y- their part of your body. If you have a migraine, we're actually learning that it might be related to gut flora, but-

Lewis Howes 26:08 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:08 ... or if you have a heart at- if, I mean, now we know that your, you might be getting cancer 'cause of your gut bacteria. Well, no oncologist is asking you what's going on in your gut microbiome. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 26:18 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:18 And so now we know, for example, like the microbiome is a great example of this disruption that's happening in healthcare. You know, the microbiome, which is your gut flora, it's really, it's like, uh, 10 times as many cells as your own cells. It's 100 times as much DNA as your own DNA.

Lewis Howes 26:34 Huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:34 So I, we're kinda lazy. We have about as much DNA as an earthworm.

Lewis Howes 26:37 Okay. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:38 But we borrow the DNA of the bichromes, the microbes in our gut to do things for us. And we, we, we borrow things from plants to do things from us. Like s- like for example-

Lewis Howes 26:46 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:46 ... glucosinolates. And so the, the microbiome is this huge thing that's got two to three million genes. We only have 20,000 genes. And it regulates-

Lewis Howes 26:54 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 26:54 ... your weight. You can swap out poop from a thin person into someone with diabetes and reverse it. Right?

Lewis Howes 27:01 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:01 Amazing. We've seen, we've seen people, I've heard stories of fecal transplants not only curing things like that, but like y- you know, autoimmune diseases and-

Lewis Howes 27:09 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:09 ... Parkinson's and people with MS, and like crazy stories that I'm starting to hear. And, and there's re- research

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:15 now going on aggressively in looking at fecal transplants for all sorts of diseases.

Lewis Howes 27:19 Transferring poop from one person to another.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:21 Yes.

Lewis Howes 27:21 What does that, how do you do that?

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:22 Well, [laughs] I don't know.

Lewis Howes 27:23 What's that process?

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:24 Well, they collect the poop. There's actually a, a, a, there's actually-

Lewis Howes 27:27 I've never heard of this.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:27 Yeah. You've never heard of this?

Lewis Howes 27:28 Never heard of this.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:28 Oh my God, this is huge. So, so the, uh-

Lewis Howes 27:31 What is it called?

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:32 Fecal transplant.

Lewis Howes 27:33 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:33 FMT, fecal microbial transplant. The way it came about was, uh, some doctor had a bright idea that there was this condition called C. diff, which is a infection of the intestines, happens after antibiotics, is life-threatening. Uh, and there's a huge amount of people are now resistant to antibiotics 'cause of all the antibiotics in our feed-

Lewis Howes 27:51 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:51 ... in our, in the animal production. So there's, the drugs don't work. People die.

Lewis Howes 27:55 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 27:56 And it, and somebody thought, "Well, gee, if I put the poop from a healthy person into a sick person, let's see what happens." And the doctor did it, and the person was cured. Like that.

Lewis Howes 28:03 Shut up.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:04 98% effective. 98% effective.

Lewis Howes 28:07 So how do you do this?

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:08 So-

Lewis Howes 28:08 How do you do this process?

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:10 You wanna get into it? [laughs]

Lewis Howes 28:11 [laughs] Give me the 10, the visual version.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:13 Well, we can do the visuals. We can do-

Lewis Howes 28:14 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:14 [laughs] So basically they take like they take a, a fecal trans- uh, transplant specimen, like a, a donor specimen from a healthy person, and they screen them for all sorts of diseases, and then they spin it up with some saline, and then they inject it in with a-

Lewis Howes 28:27 Straight up

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:27 ... catheter or a, a colonoscope.

Lewis Howes 28:29 And then it-

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:30 They actually also-

Lewis Howes 28:30 And then it like, it just heals inside, or what's it do when it's-

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:33 Well, it goes in, it's like a, it's like massive probiotics, right?

Lewis Howes 28:36 Oh, interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:37 Right? Yeah. And so-

Lewis Howes 28:38 It's like an infusion of probiotics

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:39 ... infusion of probiotics. And also there are actually pills now. They actually are making-

Lewis Howes 28:43 Poop pills

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:43 ... special encapsulated-

Lewis Howes 28:44 No. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:44 ... poop pills. Poop pills. And it's, and I mean, this is published in the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm not talking about like stuff that's wacky.

Lewis Howes 28:50 Oh my gosh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:50 I'm talking about serious medicine that people are doing. But it's not just for that. Now they're looking into it for all sorts of things. So-

Lewis Howes 28:55 And people are cured right after one infusion.

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:57 Yeah,

Dr. Mark Hyman 28:58 yeah. It's amazing. So functional medicine is really-

Lewis Howes 29:00 This is nuts

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:00 ... understanding the, the body as a system and network, and understanding that, that, that the focus should not be on treating disease, but on creating health.

Lewis Howes 29:08 Hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:08 So it's the science of creating health. It's the ultimate biohacking tool. You know, and it's-

Lewis Howes 29:13 Interesting

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:13 ... interpreting all the data and the stories from your body that it tells through, uh, testing we do, for example. You don't have to do testing, but you can look into the body and look at your immune function and allergies and your gut flora and toxins and nutritional status. It's like doing a soil sample. So I'm like a soil farmer-

Lewis Howes 29:28 Hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:28 ... organic soil farmer, rather than a industrial agriculturist. I don't put all these chemicals on my plants to make them better, like herbicides and pesticides. I, I create a healthy soil-

Lewis Howes 29:37 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:37 ... and then disease doesn't occur, right? You just, disease can't land in a healthy soil.

Lewis Howes 29:41 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:41 So that's exactly what functional medicine is. We, we, we c- help people get in balance. We take away the things that cause imbalance. We put in the things that help create balance. So for example, I had a woman come, she had a whole list of problems. That's why I call myself a holistic doctor, 'cause I take care of people with a whole list-

Lewis Howes 29:56 Holistic. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 29:57 ... of problems. So she had like psoriatic arthritis, was on a drug that cost 30 grand-

Lewis Howes 30:01 Oh my gosh

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:01 ... called Stelara, and still was miserable. She also was overweight, had pre-diabetes, migraines, sinus problems, irritable bowel, reflux, depression, insomnia. She had like this whole list of things. Of course, she saw all these specialists, the sinus doctor, the migraine doctor-

Lewis Howes 30:15 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:15 ... the autoimmune doctor, the skin doctor, the depression doctor, the gut doctor. Like, and you know- Everybody's treating her with their best, uh, practices

Lewis Howes 30:24 Drug it. Their best drug probably

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:25 But, I mean, she's being seen at a top medical center.

Lewis Howes 30:27 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:27 Right? They're not doing bad medicine. They're doing standard of care. In fact, they're doing excellent standard of care.

Lewis Howes 30:32 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:32 But the standard of care is not the way we're gonna fix these problems.

Lewis Howes 30:35 It's outdated or it's not-

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:36 It's not, it's totally outdated.

Lewis Howes 30:38 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:38 So rather than, uh, thinking about how all these were separate, I said, "How are these all connected?"

Lewis Howes 30:43 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:43 Right? How are these all connected? And so there were connections. It was all inflammatory. And I said, "Well, why don't we put you on an anti-inflammatory low glycemic diet," a Pegan diet basically.

Lewis Howes 30:55 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 30:56 Took away an- e- anti, uh, allergens, and I, and I cleaned out her gut, 'cause her gut was causing huge symptoms, bloating, and she had yeast reactions. Oh, she had like vaginal yeast-

Lewis Howes 31:04 Oh

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:04 ... and anal yeast and itching and itchy ears and yeast everywhere.

Lewis Howes 31:06 That's from the-

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:07 Yeast on her mouth and thrush.

Lewis Howes 31:09 Oh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:09 And so I gave her an antifungal. I gave her stuff to clear out the bad bugs in her gut. I put in good bugs. I put in enzymes. I put in things to heal her gut, the gut lining. I gave her fish oil, vitamin D, just some basic stuff, probiotics.

Lewis Howes 31:19 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:20 And-

Lewis Howes 31:20 But it's really eliminating the-

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:21 Eliminating the bad foods

Lewis Howes 31:22 ... things that she was eating and-

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:22 Eliminating the bad bugs in her gut-

Lewis Howes 31:24 And putting in nutrients

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:25 ... putting in new bugs and putting in nutrients to help her body heal. Two months later-

Lewis Howes 31:29 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:29 ... she comes back completely symptom-free.

Lewis Howes 31:31 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:32 No more arthritis. No more s- no more s- $30,000 drug. No more skin psoriasis. No migraines. No sinus problems. No irritable bowel. No reflux. No depression. No insomnia, and she lost 20 pounds. Right?

Lewis Howes 31:44 It was all from food.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:45 Totally. It w- was food and her gut flora.

Lewis Howes 31:48 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:48 I focused on her gut flora. Why? Because 60% or 50% of the immune system is in the gut.

Lewis Howes 31:54 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:55 Yeah. Why? Why is it in the gut? Why, why is it there? Because the ... You're sticking pounds of food-

Lewis Howes 31:59 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 31:59 ... of foreign material every day in your body.

Lewis Howes 32:01 It's gotta fight it off in your gut first, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:03 Yeah. You w- And you've got ... You know, you got all the bed bugs in there and poop.

Lewis Howes 32:07 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:07 It's like y- it's like the danger zone, right?

Lewis Howes 32:09 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:09 It's like you're, you're like-

Lewis Howes 32:10 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:10 ... and it's one cell away. Like, you're one cell away from a sewer every minute.

Lewis Howes 32:13 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:14 Yeah. There's one cell between you and that mass of food and poop, right?

Lewis Howes 32:17 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:18 So your immune system is like, if anything happens, like right there.

Lewis Howes 32:21 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:21 So wh- when people have autoimmune disease, it's often a gut issue.

Lewis Howes 32:25 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:25 It's often a gut issue.

Lewis Howes 32:25 People didn't know this before, did they?

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:27 No, no. So now, like now all this is really coming to light, and functional medicine is the operating system to interpret the data. It's a new set of lenses to think about how to solve it.

Lewis Howes 32:38 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:38 And it's a, a system of treatment that helps people get back in balance.

Lewis Howes 32:42 Gotcha.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:42 That's why it's powerful. And then at Cleveland Clinic, you know, the CEO of Cleveland Clinic, Toby Cosgrove, I call him the Wayne Gretzky of healthcare. He goes where the puck's gonna be, not where it is.

Lewis Howes 32:51 Smart.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:52 Right? And he's basically came after me to go set up a center there, and I'm like-

Lewis Howes 32:57 A functional medicine center.

Dr. Mark Hyman 32:58 Yeah. I'm like, "I'm not going to Cleveland Clinic." It's like a ... You know, it's like g- [laughs] I'm not gonna go to a place where I'm gonna have to bang my head against the wall, where it's traditional medicine-

Lewis Howes 33:07 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:07 ... where they don't get this, where they're in the dark age. I just had no-

Lewis Howes 33:10 Which is also in one, known as one of the top hospitals in-

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:12 Of course

Lewis Howes 33:13 ... in the world, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:13 But it's the top hospital in the old model.

Lewis Howes 33:15 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:15 Right?

Lewis Howes 33:15 Exactly.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:15 So I'm like ... But he kn- he knows what's happening.

Lewis Howes 33:18 He sees where it's going.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:18 He knows what's happening, and he's like, "We need this here."

Lewis Howes 33:21 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:21 And so he's investing tons of money, millions and millions of dollars building this. We're building an 18,000 square foot facility. We'd started with a little space, and we just outgrew it. We're hiring doctors. I have an interview-

Lewis Howes 33:31 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:31 ... with a doctor right after this. [laughs] And we're, we're basically growing. We're doing research in all sorts of conditions. We're changing medical school education. We're changing policy. We're doing community work.

Lewis Howes 33:41 Amazing.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:42 So we're really, he's really putting us on the map in the traditional world. And, and what's a-

Lewis Howes 33:46 'Cause he's gonna go out of business if he doesn't start doing this.

Dr. Mark Hyman 33:49 But what's amazing to me, you know, uh, Lewis, I thought when I got there people would be, you know, skeptical, uh, negative, uh, make it difficult for me and my team there, but it's the opposite.

Lewis Howes 34:01 Oh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:02 And I, I last-

Lewis Howes 34:03 They've gotta learn. They have to

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:04 ... last week when I was there, I had two deans of medical schools, two chairs of depart- two chairs of institutes, which are like big deals-

Lewis Howes 34:11 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:11 ... and another doctor as patients.

Lewis Howes 34:14 No way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:14 Yeah, they're coming as patients.

Lewis Howes 34:16 Because they're not being cured with the medicine they're given.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:18 The executive team, the C-suite team, uh, is sending all their family members to come see us.

Lewis Howes 34:22 Do you know Dr., uh, Lissa Rankin by any chance?

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:25 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 34:25 She, she's been on as well, and she talked about how she had all this medication she was treating-

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:29 Yeah

Lewis Howes 34:29 ... herself.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:30 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 34:30 And then-

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:30 Yeah

Lewis Howes 34:30 ... started just saying, "Oh, let me just change the way I eat-

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:33 Yeah

Lewis Howes 34:33 ... and my relationships-

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:35 Yeah

Lewis Howes 34:35 ... and my emotional health."

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:36 Exactly. It's all, it's all, that's-

Lewis Howes 34:37 And she's like, "Oh, I got off all the medicine."

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:38 That's right.

Lewis Howes 34:39 And then I stopped giving medicine to my patients.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:42 Right.

Lewis Howes 34:42 I started asking them deeper questions.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:43 That's so powerful. It's so powerful. So we're, we're at this-

Lewis Howes 34:45 It blows my mind

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:45 ... we're, but we're at this fulcrum. It's not, it's not, it's not just I'm like one lone doctor with a crazy idea. There's a whole movement-

Lewis Howes 34:51 Yeah, yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:51 ... going on here.

Lewis Howes 34:51 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:52 And we had dinner with James Maskell. He's helping move that movement forward. I'm the chairman of the Institute for Functional Medicine, where we train doctors all over the world-

Lewis Howes 34:58 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 34:58 ... in this model and operating system of how to actually do this in practice. So we are, we are literally building an army of, of doctors to change healthcare.

Lewis Howes 35:06 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:06 And, and it's pretty exciting. And it's, it's actually starting to really hit that hockey stick point where it's changing.

Lewis Howes 35:12 Amazing.

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:12 People want it. I mean, people are desperate for this model.

Lewis Howes 35:16 So if someone is listening, and they're on some type of a medication, or they're just feeling like constantly sick-

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:24 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 35:24 ... you know, something's constantly happening to them, what do you think is ... You know, 'cause there's so much information online that it's scary.

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:29 So it's scary, right. Well, here's what I would say.

Lewis Howes 35:31 You know, the WebMD stuff, just like-

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:32 Yeah

Lewis Howes 35:32 ... looking up anything-

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:33 Yeah

Lewis Howes 35:33 ... and Googling it and seeing all the nasty photos of, and just being like, "Ugh."

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:36 Yeah, right.

Lewis Howes 35:36 What is an approach that someone should take if they have some challenge that's constantly happening in their health? Should they first analyze the food they're intaking-

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:44 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 35:45 ... and do, like, an analysis? Do you have, like, a process?

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:47 Absolutely, abs ... This is a great question, Lewis. So, you know, what I am is a doctor, and what I do is see patients in my office. That's my main job.

Lewis Howes 35:54 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:54 Yes, I've written a dozen books. Yes, I do a lot of stuff, but that's my main job.

Lewis Howes 35:58 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 35:59 And, and so I've learned over 30 years of doing this how to create sustainable, practical programs to help people get from sick to well-

Lewis Howes 36:09 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:09 ... very quickly. And what I've done, because not everybody can come see me, and there aren't that many of us out there yet-

Lewis Howes 36:14 You only have so many hours in the day [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:16 ... and there's so, not that many functional medicine ... So I've written books and programs-

Lewis Howes 36:19 Yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:19 ... to help people operationalize this in their own life.

Lewis Howes 36:21 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:21 So eat fat, get thin. And I mean, look, I'm, you know- You know, I could say, you know, "Do my program," but like I'm not, I don't really care what program you do.

Lewis Howes 36:29 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:29 As long as it's based on the basic principles, and there are a lot of my colleagues who are writing great books about this. It's all-

Lewis Howes 36:34 Yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:35 ... it's all the same information-

Lewis Howes 36:36 Yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:36 ... because it's all the same science, and if you're telling the truth, there's only-

Lewis Howes 36:38 The same research. Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:39 ... there's only one story here. [laughs] The truth, right?

Lewis Howes 36:42 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:42 And so, the, the, this, this Eat Fat, Get Thin is a great program that I put together to make people have, you know, no friction. It's easy.

Lewis Howes 36:50 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:50 It's very straightforward. It's pract-

Lewis Howes 36:51 It's 21 days, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:52 21 days, practical, goof proof, and it tells you what to eat. And when you get to the end of that, you'll see how you feel.

Lewis Howes 36:58 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 36:58 Because most people in 21 days will change their habits, but they'll also allow their body to reset. It's like putting your body back to its original factory settings, right?

Lewis Howes 37:06 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:07 And then if something's left over, then you know, "Gee, maybe I need to go deeper." Like, if you still don't feel great, maybe you have Lyme disease. Maybe you're having-

Lewis Howes 37:13 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:13 ... metal poisoning. Maybe your thyroid's not working. Maybe you have a parasite. Maybe, you know, like you could be eating the perfect diet but still feel bad. So, but-

Lewis Howes 37:20 Do the 21 days first.

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:21 Yeah. But most, 80% of the time, this will-

Lewis Howes 37:23 You're gonna, you're gonna cure yourself.

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:24 Yeah. 80%, I mean, 80% of the time, this works for people, and then the 20% who have to get extra help, they need to come see somebody.

Lewis Howes 37:31 And the body's pretty incredible in how it can heal itself very quickly once you change habits, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:35 Unbelievable. Unbelievable. We, we did this survey of 1,000 people who did this. I mean, they lost weight, yes, and they lost inches, yes.

Lewis Howes 37:42 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:42 And, uh, it's all, that's all impressive, and their blood sugar dropped 20 points, and their blood pressure 10 points. But the thing that really matters to me is I have everybody fill out what I, what I call the FLC quiz. You know what that is?

Lewis Howes 37:52 No.

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:52 That's when you feel like crap, okay?

Lewis Howes 37:53 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 37:54 So it's a quiz. How do you ha- Like, you know, do you have ever bloating? Do you have asthma? Do you have headaches? Can you sleep? Like joint pain, muscle pain. What's your mood? Are you depressed? Like, so you fill out this whole score on zero to four for every symptom.

Lewis Howes 38:05 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:06 And you get a score. And you do one before and after. And, uh, the before and after score, there was a 69% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases.

Lewis Howes 38:13 Whoa.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:13 Because you don't have to treat everything individually. If you put in the right information, like I said at the beginning of the show-

Lewis Howes 38:19 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:19 ... the body knows what to do.

Lewis Howes 38:21 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:21 Right? So the information in food is so powerful. If you figure out what to eat, you don't have to worry about how much. You don't have to count fat, grams, carbs, calories, nothing. I don't do that. I don't have time for that. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 38:32 Right, right, right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:33 I don't want to be on an app all day-

Lewis Howes 38:34 Uh-huh

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:34 ... figuring it out. I just wanna know how to get my body to naturally do what it's supposed to do.

Lewis Howes 38:39 Sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:39 Right? If you're off by 100 calories a day, you're gonna gain like 50 pounds in 30 years, right? You can't, you can't do it by willpower.

Lewis Howes 38:46 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:46 You have to use science, and the science of using fat and low glycemic food, like low sugar food-

Lewis Howes 38:54 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:55 ... is, is really powerful. It's magical.

Lewis Howes 38:57 Right, right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 38:57 I mean, I notice my own body. I'm like 56, and I notice-

Lewis Howes 39:00 You're young, man. You're like fit, healthy-

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:02 Yeah. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 39:02 ... energetic.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:03 I know. Well, I, I can tell you, I, I, uh, was always been, you know, focused on health. But I was the doctor who was trained to eat low fat and to tell my patients to eat low fat, and I did that. And I also ate a lot of things that I thought were healthy, like-

Lewis Howes 39:15 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:15 ... pasta was a health food.

Lewis Howes 39:16 Oh my gosh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:16 Pasta was a health food.

Lewis Howes 39:17 I used to eat so much pasta.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:18 Yeah, health food, right? Low fat-

Lewis Howes 39:19 Being sauced it all the time

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:20 ... was health food. Yeah, exactly. [laughs] And so I, I basically, uh, changed that, and I started, you know, eating a lot less starch-

Lewis Howes 39:28 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:28 ... a lot less sugar, a lot more fat. And I noticed my body, like without any exercise, I'm like so lean, so fit.

Lewis Howes 39:36 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:36 I'm like, "Wow, I got a six-pack and I didn't even work out."

Lewis Howes 39:38 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:39 It's like, and it, it's just stunning what happens-

Lewis Howes 39:41 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:41 ... when you're, when you do, and my brain is clearer.

Lewis Howes 39:43 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:43 I have more energy.

Lewis Howes 39:44 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:44 My mood's better.

Lewis Howes 39:45 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:45 I mean, you, I know, I saw you drinking a, like a Bulletproof coffee.

Lewis Howes 39:48 Oh, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 39:48 You know, that, it works.

Lewis Howes 39:49 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 39:50 It's ama- I mean, I started doing, testing, uh, some different things at the beginning of this year in January. And, uh, the first week I did no sugar. The second week, no sugar, no gluten.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:00 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 40:00 Third week, no sugar, no gluten, no dairy. Uh, fourth week, no sugar, no gluten, no dairy, m- no meat. That was last week.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:06 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 40:07 And I was just gonna see what-

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:08 That's like, that's like-

Lewis Howes 40:09 ... what happened with my body

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:09 ... pulling a Band-Aid off slowly.

Lewis Howes 40:11 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:11 You know?

Lewis Howes 40:11 I should have just done it all, just like-

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:13 It, it's better to do it the other way. The, uh, the way I, I, I do with my patients, you, you, you do a, a detox, basically. You get off everything.

Lewis Howes 40:19 At once.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:19 You, you feel bad for a couple of days, and then you see how you feel.

Lewis Howes 40:22 You feel amazing, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:23 'Cause it, 'cause one of the rules of func-

Lewis Howes 40:24 I should have talked to you before this about all the stuff. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:26 And then you can add things back one at a time and see what bothers you.

Lewis Howes 40:28 Interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:29 So w- 'cause the rule in functional medicine is if you're standing on a tack, takes a lot of aspirin to make it feel better, right?

Lewis Howes 40:34 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:34 So if y- if something's bothering you, you have to get rid of the cause.

Lewis Howes 40:37 Uh-huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:37 But if you're standing on two tacks, taking one out doesn't make you 50% better.

Lewis Howes 40:41 Very interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:41 So if you're, if you're allergic to dairy and gluten, but you just take out gluten, you're not gonna feel better.

Lewis Howes 40:47 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:47 Right?

Lewis Howes 40:48 Right. So I did it the whole wrong way.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:49 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 40:49 Oh, well. [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:50 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 40:50 It was an experiment. But the thing, what I was gonna mention was I started doing, uh, Bulletproof in the morning-

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:56 Yeah

Lewis Howes 40:56 ... and fasting until 1:30.

Dr. Mark Hyman 40:58 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 40:59 And not eating after 9:30 or whatever it is at night. And I realized that I wasn't hungry-

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:03 No

Lewis Howes 41:03 ... in the mornings-

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:04 No

Lewis Howes 41:04 ... when I would do the coffee.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:05 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 41:05 And I would only have like half a cup only.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:07 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 41:07 And I would be fine until-

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:09 Yeah

Lewis Howes 41:09 ... 1:30, 2:00 long.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:10 Well, MCT oil puts you in ketosis, which is medium chain triglycerides.

Lewis Howes 41:13 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:14 It's a super fuel. Comes from coconut-

Lewis Howes 41:15 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:15 ... which is in the coffee. It's what I recommend as part of my Eat Fat, Get Thin program. Speeds up your metabolism.

Lewis Howes 41:20 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:21 Even eating-

Lewis Howes 41:21 So you're burning fat.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:22 Yeah. It actually makes your, yeah, metabolism work faster and burn more calories.

Lewis Howes 41:25 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:26 And it also affects your brain, so your brain is more alert-

Lewis Howes 41:28 Clear

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:28 ... and focused and clear. So I wrote most of Eat Fat, Get Thin on, you know, MCT oil and coffee in the morning. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 41:33 I love it.

Lewis Howes 41:34 I love it. And why did you get in, I wanna ask you a few more questions. Why did you get into medicine in the first place? What, what inspired you-

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:40 That's a great question

Lewis Howes 41:40 ... 30 plus years ago or whenever this was?

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:42 Yeah, yeah. So, uh, you know, I, I, uh, actually majored in Buddhism at Cornell.

Lewis Howes 41:46 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:46 So I did not even think remotely about medicine or science. In fact, I only took science classes 'cause they were required for my-

Lewis Howes 41:53 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:54 ... degree-

Lewis Howes 41:55 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 41:55 ... at Cornell, but I, I didn't even do that well in them. I got a C in biology, and I think a C in chemistry. I think might've got a C+ in biology. And, but they were, it was like the pre-med courses that everybody like-

Lewis Howes 42:04 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:05 ... you know, jumps off the bridge for.

Lewis Howes 42:06 Sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:07 And I, and I didn't take it that seriously. So then I just want, I got my degree in Buddhism. But when I studied Buddhism, I, I s- I found it, that it was actually a healing system. It was a therapeutic system for the mind.

Lewis Howes 42:17 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:18 And in fact, it was, it was a way of looking at our perceptions, our beliefs, our attitudes, our thinking in such a way that freed us from suffering.

Lewis Howes 42:25 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:26 And it was powerful. And it also had a tradition in, of healing. The, the, all the doctors in the Buddhist tradition were monks.

Lewis Howes 42:34 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:34 So I was like, "Oh, this is cool."

Lewis Howes 42:36 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:36 And then I, and then I kinda, you know, got this, this idea in my head. I was a young, idealistic kid, and I had this concept of a bodhisattva, which is this, this being who kind of betters themself, but rather than, you know, going to be living in a cave and being by themself and having a happy life, they come back in the service of others, to help others.

Lewis Howes 42:55 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:56 Also to-

Lewis Howes 42:57 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:57 ... reach enlightenment.

Lewis Howes 42:58 Right. Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 42:59 So I kinda always had that in my, my head, and I just, I, I always felt better when I was of service.

Lewis Howes 43:03 Sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:04 You know? So when I-

Lewis Howes 43:04 Most people feel better when they're in service, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:06 Yeah. You know, what's interesting, uh, Lewis, when we look at the science of this, altruism stimulates the same area in the brain as cocaine or sugar or heroin.

Lewis Howes 43:14 That's crazy.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:14 Right? So I get high from helping people.

Lewis Howes 43:16 Helping people. I think, uh, Steven Kotler talks about that-

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:19 Yeah

Lewis Howes 43:19 ... in his book Flow, or about flow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:21 It's so true.

Lewis Howes 43:21 When people get in a flow, um, you know, and when they're in service, you become y- in flow, and that triggers the same-

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:27 Yeah, em-

Lewis Howes 43:28 ... type of chemicals, right?

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:28 Absolutely. You get out of your head.

Lewis Howes 43:30 It's crazy.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:30 Like, I went to Haiti after the earthquake.

Lewis Howes 43:32 Uh-huh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:32 And it was, you know, up to my elbows in puss and amputations and blood and-

Lewis Howes 43:36 Ugh

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:36 ... disaster and just, it was, like, the worst scene you could imagine. But, like, I didn't think of myself for one second.

Lewis Howes 43:43 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:43 Right?

Lewis Howes 43:43 You're just in service.

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:44 I was just in service, and I felt good. Like, I felt-

Lewis Howes 43:46 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:46 ... and, and I'm, like, you know, just grateful and happy. Not happy, like, 'cause I was there. It was a miserable place that, that was happening with the earthquake. But I, but I actually had this sense of inner peace and inner happiness and-

Lewis Howes 43:57 Yeah. Like your life mattered in that moment

Dr. Mark Hyman 43:58 ... gratitude, gratitude and service and-

Lewis Howes 44:01 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:01 ... you know, I, I think that's really, um, in the way, it's a little selfish. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 44:05 Sure, sure. No.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:05 So.

Lewis Howes 44:05 Giving is, like, the most-

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:07 Yeah

Lewis Howes 44:07 ... selfish gift you can receive.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:08 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 44:08 It's, like, the best gift you can give.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:09 Yeah. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 44:10 Uh, give yourself.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:10 So that's sort of how I got... And then I realized, "Gee, maybe I should practice medicine," 'cause it's, there's al- it's about healing and-

Lewis Howes 44:15 Sure

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:15 ... and I sorta, I said, "Well, I'll try it."

Lewis Howes 44:17 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:17 And I was a yoga teacher before I was a doctor.

Lewis Howes 44:18 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:19 And, uh-

Lewis Howes 44:20 Back before yoga was cool.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:21 Yeah, that was, like, in 1979.

Lewis Howes 44:23 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:23 Uh, yeah. Took my first yoga class and, [laughs] uh-

Lewis Howes 44:26 Amazing

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:26 ... I just went to yoga before I came here, so it's, uh-

Lewis Howes 44:29 That's so cool

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:29 ... been going on a long time.

Lewis Howes 44:30 Holy cow. That's awesome.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:32 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 44:32 Um, cool. Well, couple final questions, and I wanna make sure everyone gets this book, Eat Fat, Get Thin: Why the Fat We Eat is, or Why the Fat We Eat is the Key to Sustained Weight Loss and Vibrant Health. Essentially what everything we've said growing up was, is the opposite-

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:48 Yeah

Lewis Howes 44:48 ... of what we were told growing up.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:49 Sorry, guys. We kinda blew it. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 44:50 Yes, but Eat Fat, Get Thin, 21-day process for discovering, you know, a- and healing yourself, essentially.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:57 Yeah. I mean, it's not, and it's not just for weight loss.

Lewis Howes 44:59 Yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 44:59 It's actually for anybody who wants to reset their system-

Lewis Howes 45:01 Interesting

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:02 ... and gain back control-

Lewis Howes 45:03 Yes

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:03 ... of their body.

Lewis Howes 45:04 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:04 And, and, you know, so you, you actually naturally want the things that make you feel good, that you-

Lewis Howes 45:09 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:09 ... you don't crave the bad things, that it's not, it's not difficult. I mean-

Lewis Howes 45:12 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:12 ... you can't use willpower. It doesn't work. You have to use science.

Lewis Howes 45:15 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:15 Right?

Lewis Howes 45:15 I like it.

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:16 And so it's so great.

Lewis Howes 45:17 I like it. I got three questions for you. One

Lewis Howes 45:20 is if you had an unlimited amount of money that you could spend on one thing to, to cure one thing in the world, what would that be?

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:27 One disease or one?

Lewis Howes 45:28 One thing in the world that you think-

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:29 Uh

Lewis Howes 45:29 ... needs curing.

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:31 Um.

Lewis Howes 45:32 Or solving, one issue.

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:34 Oof, gosh. I mean, I, so many things flooded into me-

Lewis Howes 45:37 [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:37 ... when you said that. I mean, I think, um, you know, the thing that I think is driving so many of our economic and social ills is our food system. And, and if I had a magic wand-

Lewis Howes 45:53 Mm-hmm

Dr. Mark Hyman 45:53 ... I would put in a... And I, I'm working actually on a petition right now to, I've got 150,000 people on our Fat Summit, which is an online-

Lewis Howes 46:00 Right

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:00 ... summit on, and we're ex- interview over 30 experts on fat. And it's available. Anybody can go to fatsummit.com and get to see this.

Lewis Howes 46:07 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:08 And, and, you know, to kind of list what are the policies that would really radically change things, not just in America, but around the world if we became the, the, the beacon for this. Um-

Lewis Howes 46:18 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:19 And I met with the surgeon general a couple days ago, and he asked me to come to Washington to help change and shape this policy. And so the things that matter are, you know, ending food subsidy, e- ending s- agricultural subsidies for commodity products like corn-

Lewis Howes 46:31 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:31 ... soy, and wheat that go into all our processed industrial food. Subsidizing fruits and vegetables and things that actually promote health.

Lewis Howes 46:37 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:38 Ending food marketing to kids, right? We, we-

Lewis Howes 46:41 All the cereal-

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:41 ... we market junk food to kids

Lewis Howes 46:42 ... with the sugar and the pop

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:42 I think we're one of only 50 countries that, that, that, uh, that, that we are, uh, one, one of the only countries that doesn't do this. 50 countries control food marketing to kids.

Lewis Howes 46:51 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:51 Regulate. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 46:52 They don't-

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:52 Us and Syria, no, are the only ones, I think. [laughs]

Lewis Howes 46:54 Oh, my gosh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 46:55 I would, uh, end all use of antibiotics in animal feed except, except in animal husbandry except for treatment of disease.

Lewis Howes 47:01 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:02 Full stop. I would have clear food labeling so that people know what they're eating. Is it good for you? Uh, green. Is it maybe, uh, you know, a little tricky? Well-

Lewis Howes 47:11 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:11 ... eat with caution, yellow. Is it bad for you, it might kill you? Red. Like s-

Lewis Howes 47:15 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:16 ... stop, simple-

Lewis Howes 47:17 Like when you have cigarettes now.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:18 Uh-

Lewis Howes 47:18 There's, "This will cause cancer."

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:19 I would, I would-

Lewis Howes 47:20 "This will kill you." [laughs]

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:20 I would, and this is controversial, but I would, I would put a tax on junk food and soda, which has been proven-

Lewis Howes 47:25 Interesting

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:25 ... to work and reduce consumption. This was just done in Mexico. It was super effective. Done in Berkeley, first place in America, very effective.

Lewis Howes 47:31 How interesting.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:31 It's like cigarettes.

Lewis Howes 47:32 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:33 Tax cigarettes. You know, if, if a Coke was actually $10... I would actually make things cost what they really cost. The only reason a M- McDonald's meal is so cheap is 'cause the government pays for it and subsidizes it.

Lewis Howes 47:42 Really?

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:42 I met with the vice chair of Pepsi. I said, "Why are you using high-fructose corn syrup in your soda?" He says, "Because, Mark, the government makes it so cheap for us by subsidizing agriculture and the growing of corn that's turned into high-fructose corn syrup. That's why we're using it. It's good business."

Lewis Howes 47:55 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:55 "I wouldn't use it if, uh, government didn't make it so cheap." So I would end the subsidies.

Lewis Howes 47:59 Oh my gosh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 47:59 I would, I would end any food that wasn't promoting health in any federally funded program. Food stamps. You can buy $4 billion now of food stamps are spent on soda for the poor. $4 billion.

Lewis Howes 48:11 Ugh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:11 It's the biggest single amount of, a item that's bought.

Lewis Howes 48:13 Pop. Yeah, soda.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:14 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 48:14 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:14 You can buy a four, a two-liter bottle of soda, but you can't buy a rotisserie chicken. You can't, you can't buy, uh, with food stamps online because of some stupid regulation. We're trying to change that.

Lewis Howes 48:24 Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:25 So I, I would, I would implement a whole series of policies like this. I would also, um- Make sure that we, we, uh, really promote, uh, science and, and, and nutrition in school so kids know very early on what's going on. There should be no-

Lewis Howes 48:39 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:40 ... food that doesn't promote health in schools. We know that the, that there's clear evidence that kids who are fed poor foods, and I'm not talking about, like, school lunches that are, quote, "healthy," right? I mean, pizza's-

Lewis Howes 48:49 Which is everywhere

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:50 ... pizza's considered a vegetable.

Lewis Howes 48:51 The square pizza, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:51 Right. Pizza's a vegetable. According to Congress, pizza is a vegetable.

Lewis Howes 48:54 Oh, my gosh. That's all I ate every day.

Dr. Mark Hyman 48:56 Yeah. [coughs] And, and so, you know, we, we need, we need just re- clear policies that we could change all this in America. And I think people are ready for it. People want it. People know the issue is here. Uh, we need to end, uh, uh, you know, the kinds of industrial agriculture we're doing that are actually promoting degradation of the environment, and, and we need to label GMOs because the centralization of seed production has caused huge problems. Glyphosate is now, Roundup is, is used, uh, on soybeans. 98% of soybeans are Monsanto soy- soybeans.

Lewis Howes 49:23 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:24 And so what-

Lewis Howes 49:24 98%, you said?

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:24 I think it's something like 98% of growers.

Lewis Howes 49:26 Oh, my gosh.

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:26 So the, the centralization of seed production, and then it ma- you know, even if you debate GMOs are good or bad, they're using all this pesticides and herbicides-

Lewis Howes 49:33 Yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:34 ... because of these, that are actually now getting into the water. Now, we know that glyphosate now, according to the World Health Organization and an international board of scientists, is a cancer-causing agent, which is ... And I, actually am excited 'cause I'm gonna, in my practice, I'm gonna start doing glyphosate testing.

Lewis Howes 49:47 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:47 For like seed people, 'cause people don't know what they're consuming. So I, I would do a series of things that would really, if I had all the money in the world to really change this.

Lewis Howes 49:55 Sure. Wow.

Dr. Mark Hyman 49:55 Michael Bloom- Bloomberg, you know, he sort of tried to do this. He had all the money in the world. And, and he made huge policy changes in New York. He got rid of trans fats. He changed all kinds of, uh, food laws. He actually started to, to try to regulate soda, but the food industry came down so hard on him.

Lewis Howes 50:10 So much money they had to, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:11 Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 50:12 Wow. Amazing. That would solve a lot of problems if you-

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:15 Yeah, and it, it would-

Lewis Howes 50:15 ... could change these things, yeah

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:16 ... it would ch- it would, it would help, uh, our environment. It would help our economy because, you know, Medicaid and Medicare-

Lewis Howes 50:21 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:22 ... are gonna consume 100% of our federal budget in about 20 years.

Lewis Howes 50:25 Oh, man.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:25 Right? Because of the obesity and diabetes epidemic. One, one in three people is gonna be diabetic by 2050.

Lewis Howes 50:32 That's bad.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:33 Right? Right. One in three.

Lewis Howes 50:34 Unless we change something.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:35 Yeah, right.

Lewis Howes 50:35 You're right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:35 It's, we, right, unless we change something. So we have to solve, it's an economic issue.

Lewis Howes 50:39 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:40 It's a national security issue 'cause kids are too fat to fight. It's a global competitiveness issue because-

Lewis Howes 50:45 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:45 ... there's an achievement gap because we're like 25th and 28th, I think, in math and reading in the world because our kids are-

Lewis Howes 50:50 We're not clear, we're not focused.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:51 No.

Lewis Howes 50:51 We can't-

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:52 No. And the, and this is well-documented. It's a guy named, uh, Dr. Bosch at, uh, Columbia, who's done a lot of the studies on this achievement gap.

Lewis Howes 50:58 Sure, sure.

Dr. Mark Hyman 50:59 So the evidence is there across the board, environment, health-

Lewis Howes 51:03 Wow

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:03 ... the economy, uh, ch- you know, competitiveness, national security. These are, these are big issues.

Lewis Howes 51:08 Everything. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:08 And it, and it all stems from the food system.

Lewis Howes 51:11 Incredible. Incredible. Um, two final questions. One

Lewis Howes 51:16 is something I ask everyone at the end of this, this podcast, every episode, is if many years down the, the road, it's your final year.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:24 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 51:24 It's your final day, and it's a very happy, healthy, joyful experience. But you've got your whole friends and family there, and your 50 New York Time best-selling books at that time-

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:34 Yeah

Lewis Howes 51:35 ... are all erased-

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:36 Yeah, erased

Lewis Howes 51:37 ... and deleted and burned for some reason.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 51:39 It's just all gone.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:39 Mm.

Lewis Howes 51:39 All the videos you've done online, which people should go watch.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:41 [laughs]

Lewis Howes 51:42 They're amazing videos. Uh, what do you call it, Office? Or what do you call it? Uh-

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:45 Housecall with Dr.-

Lewis Howes 51:45 Housecalls, yes.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:46 Yeah, Housecall with Dr. Hyman. Yeah.

Lewis Howes 51:46 Make sure to check these out, and we'll link up your YouTube and everything there on the show notes here in a second. Everything's gone. All the information you put up there, all your hard work is gone.

Dr. Mark Hyman 51:55 Is gone, yeah, yeah.

Lewis Howes 51:57 And you have a piece of paper in front of you, and your family and friends say, "Will you write down three things that you know to be true about your experience, your life, that you would wanna pass on to the rest of us?" And this would be the only three truths-

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:09 That's good. That's good

Lewis Howes 52:10 ... that we get to-

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:10 That's good. That's good

Lewis Howes 52:11 ... remember you by. From all your books, how do you boil it down to-

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:15 Yeah, yeah

Lewis Howes 52:15 ... three simple things?

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:16 That's good. That's good. I love that. So I think, uh, it wouldn't be hard.

Lewis Howes 52:19 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:19 It wouldn't be hard. Um, and it really has nothing to do with medicine.

Lewis Howes 52:22 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:23 Actually, it has to do with love.

Lewis Howes 52:25 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:25 You know, if, if, if I would say the most important thing is, is how we are in the world, how we show up.

Lewis Howes 52:34 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:34 And if we bring joy and love and connection and laughter to those we meet and those in our lives, our family, our friends, those we're connected to, the people we work with, every day is a chance to show up and bring that.

Lewis Howes 52:46 Mm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 52:46 And, and the more you do that, the more it comes back. And it's just like a, this, this process, it sounds kinda crazy, but it's just a very simple idea. It's an ancient idea. It's not my idea. But it's, it's all about how do we, how do we, and then how, the question, how do you get into that state where you can do that?

Lewis Howes 53:04 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:05 Well, then you have to cultivate that.

Lewis Howes 53:06 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:07 And part of it is, is taking care of your container.

Lewis Howes 53:10 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:10 Right? 'Cause if you feel like crap, you're not gonna wanna do that, right? You're gonna wanna watch TV. [laughs] You're gonna wanna, like, drink. You're gonna wanna, like, [laughs] eat too much, right?

Lewis Howes 53:18 Right.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:18 But if you take care of the container, then, you know, you just basically will, will thrive. So that-

Lewis Howes 53:23 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:23 ... that would be probably number one, two, and three on my list-

Lewis Howes 53:26 Okay

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:26 ... is show up, you know, be present, tell the truth, love, you know.

Lewis Howes 53:31 Perfect.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:31 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 53:32 There you go. I love it. Awesome. Uh, final question before I ask it, is there anywhere else we wanna make sure we send people, drhyman.com. Uh, get-

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:40 Drhyman.com's a good spot

Lewis Howes 53:41 ... get the book. We'll have it all linked up here in a second. I'll tell you guys where to go, but get the book, Eat Fat, Get Thin.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:47 Mm-hmm.

Lewis Howes 53:47 Um, tons of videos, resources.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:50 Yeah, they can get a, a s- free sneak preview if they go to the website, Eat Fat, Get Thin. They can get a free sneak preview.

Lewis Howes 53:54 Cool.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:55 Check it out.

Lewis Howes 53:55 Okay.

Dr. Mark Hyman 53:55 There's tons of great videos, content, and support.

Lewis Howes 53:58 Yeah, yeah. Highly recommend your site as a great resource for just learning and understanding how to be healthier and live better.

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:04 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 54:04 So-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:04 Thank you

Lewis Howes 54:05 ... um, so we'll check it all, check all this out, and make sure to buy the book. I highly recommend it. Um, before I ask the final question-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:12 Mm-hmm

Lewis Howes 54:12 ... I wanna acknowledge you for a moment. I like to acknowledge all my guests for what opens up for me from the interview, and I wanna acknowledge you, Mark, for your incredible commitment to healing the world.

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:23 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 54:23 And there's so much lack of information, there's so much ignorance that myself and so many people have experienced growing up, thinking we're supposed to live a certain way that's actually been killing us slowly-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:34 Yeah

Lewis Howes 54:34 ... every day.

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:35 Yeah.

Lewis Howes 54:35 And it's people like you who are committed to greatness and excellence in, in curing this and doing the research, doing the work that no one wants to do-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:45 Yeah

Lewis Howes 54:45 ... and the research that no one wants to do to put together

Lewis Howes 54:48 useful information to guide us to living a healthier life. So I wanna acknowledge you-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:52 Thank you. Thank you, Lewis

Lewis Howes 54:52 ... for your incredible-

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:53 That's, that's very sweet. Thank you

Lewis Howes 54:54 ... commitment to service for humanity.

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:56 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 54:56 Yeah.

Dr. Mark Hyman 54:57 Thank you.

Lewis Howes 54:57 And the final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

Dr. Mark Hyman 55:01 My definition of greatness is, uh, someone who fully shows up-

Lewis Howes 55:06 Mm

Dr. Mark Hyman 55:06 ... is fully present in their life, is able to tell the truth with love, and, and be in a state of loving and giving and presence.

Lewis Howes 55:16 Mark Hyman, thanks for coming on, man. Appreciate it.

Dr. Mark Hyman 55:18 Thank you.

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