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Lewis HowesNavy Seal EXPLAINS How To BUILD Self-Discipline & EXTREME OWNERSHIP | Jocko Willink & Lewis Howes
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How Hard SEAL Training Really Is
Lewis Howes asks about quitting in SEAL training, and Jocko explains the failure rules for timed runs, swims and evolutions. He says he was a gray man who wasn't great at anything but wasn't horrible either. Howes relays a story about a graphic video shown to trainees, and Jocko says it's a good wake-up call about what the job is.
- •Veterans look back on their deployments, not training, as the truly hard part
- •Failing a timed run, swim or obstacle course can get you rolled back or dropped
- •Jocko failed a run, a swim, an obstacle course and pool competency once each
- •Jocko never considered quitting and says SEAL teams means going to war
Fear, Death and Aggressive Play
Jocko describes his greatest fear, that one of his guys would be wounded or killed, especially in a leadership role in Ramadi. He explains how he accepted the chance of dying, saying bullets don't have your name on them. He compares it to playing football and says aggressive play improves survival odds, especially for your troops.
- •Biggest fear was something happening to one of his men during his last deployment in Ramadi
- •He accepted that he might die as part of what he signed up for
- •Preparation and planning mitigate risk but can't control it
- •Worrying about injury can make it more likely, so play aggressive
Humility and Extreme Ownership as a Leader
Asked about moving into leadership, Jocko says the first lesson is to be humble because acting like you know everything costs respect. He tells the friendly-fire incident from the opening chapter of Extreme Ownership and says he took responsibility. He argues that blaming others stops problems from being fixed.
- •New SEALs follow first; leaders get humbled quickly
- •He was enlisted eight years and an officer twelve
- •A friendly-fire incident happened on a mission he was in charge of
- •Taking ownership raises respect and confidence, while blame leads to defensiveness and no solutions
Ownership of Everything and Communicating Through the Chain of Command
Jocko says there is no case where something isn't a leader's fault, using the machine gunner example. He explains how leaders in big organizations must pass simple, clear intent down the chain. He describes mission statements and mantras so frontline people can make good decisions.
- •If you're in charge and something goes wrong, it's your responsibility
- •In a CEO's chain, ultimately the leader is in charge of everyone beneath
- •Fire teams of four or five are the base unit because larger groups can't be controlled in combat
- •Frontline staff often can't state the company mission
- •Mantras and a simple mission guide decisions
Missions, Insecurity and Regret
Jocko shares the mission of Echelon Front and his personal mission of passing on lessons so others avoid his mistakes. Howes asks about insecurities, and Jocko says he worries about squandering opportunities because friends never came home. He discusses prioritizing opportunities and learning from regret rather than dwelling on it.
- •Echelon Front aims to be the premier leadership consultancy and not a permanent crutch
- •His personal mission is sharing lessons so others avoid his mistakes
- •Squandering his life haunts him because friends didn't come home
- •He treats regret as a question of what he learned
Compartmentalizing Family During Deployment
Jocko describes how being a father at war was horrible and how he compartmentalized. He tells of arranging family photos for a picture of his bed in Ramadi and then putting them away. He says hesitation gets people hurt, and other SEALs may have handled it differently.
- •He called his wife about once a week and both said everything was fine
- •He put family photos away because he needed to focus on his men
- •Thinking about home leads to hesitation, which can get you killed
- •Some guys may have been motivated by photos, as not everyone is the same
Good, Evil and Beliefs About God
Asked about God, Jocko says he saw pure evil and extraordinary goodness in Ramadi, which reinforced that those forces exist. He doesn't claim to know whether they are external or internal and doesn't try to convince others. He says he doesn't ask those questions much.
- •Ramadi showed abhorrent evil and selfless sacrifice
- •Whether it's labeled good, evil, God or Satan, he says he's seen it
- •He says he doesn't understand the mysteries of the universe
- •He doesn't try to convince people one way or another
Understanding Human Nature and Managing Ego
Jocko says leadership boils down to understanding human nature, which his podcast explores through war and atrocity. He says ego drives decisions in both corporate and combat settings. He explains how he keeps ego in check by staying humble and open-minded.
- •Chaotic life-and-death situations reveal human nature most clearly
- •Ego drives both good and bad decisions, like wanting to win
- •Out-of-control ego eventually causes a downfall
- •He treats every question as something to learn from, not already answered
The Dichotomy of Leadership and Balance
Jocko explains his book The Dichotomy of Leadership: every leadership trait becomes harmful if taken to extremes. He uses default aggression and extreme ownership as examples, including giving people ownership of their own plans. Howes asks if anything is missing, and Jocko says life is good but he is never satisfied.
- •Talking too much or too little both fail
- •Default aggressive can become charging a machine gun nest
- •You can take too much ownership of a plan someone else gave you
- •Questioning everything is a form of humility
- •Not satisfied, but nothing is missing
Parenting, Buy-In and Feedback
Jocko says his kids won't be who he wants them to be and that forcing them causes rebellion, which he compares to forcing plans on a team. He explains coaching a team member on a pitch depending on stakes. He says feedback requires humility and that leaders should listen 98% of the time.
- •Kids become who they are, and pushing harder brings rebellion
- •Let people devise their own plans to get buy-in
- •Stakes determine whether he steps in or lets someone try and debrief
- •No feedback means no improvement
- •Shutting down objections kills future feedback
Listen, Detach, and Reflect and Diminish
Jocko gives two things leaders can do: listen and detach. He describes listening for 38 minutes before speaking, stepping back from the firefight, and his reflect and diminish technique. He applies it to his wife and says feeling frustrated or defensive is a red flag that ego is involved.
- •Listening lets you assess arguments and decide well
- •Detach by stepping back from the weeds, like lowering a weapon to look around
- •Reflect and diminish mirrors someone's emotion at a lower level to get on the same team
- •Anger, frustration or defensiveness signal ego
- •When blamed, taking ownership is the whole point
Marriage, Confident Leadership and the Mutiny Story
Jocko says he doesn't bicker with his wife and aims to resolve problems rather than win arguments, noting the high SEAL divorce rate. He explains that real confidence lets a leader accept a better plan. He tells of a platoon commander with a big ego who forced plans and faced a mutiny, followed by a humble replacement.
- •He aims to resolve problems, not win arguments
- •Being unemotional is also a mistake; balance matters
- •Confident leaders can say another plan is better
- •An egotistical platoon commander was mutinied against and fired
- •His humble replacement asked the platoon to make the plan and was loved
Relationships, Commander's Intent and Finding a New Mission
Jocko says all relationships matter and says he doesn't think formally about a relationship with himself, comparing it to commander's intent. Asked about retiring, he says people need a new mission after the military or sports, and if they can't think of one, go help someone.
- •Spouse, coworkers and others are all important relationships
- •Commander's intent is deeply embedded in him and can be re-established if something feels off
- •He started working with companies before retiring
- •Without a mission, go help someone
Discipline Equals Freedom
Jocko says the biggest thing holding most people back is a lack of discipline. He argues discipline is the root of good qualities and builds confidence, though extremes exist on both ends. He explains writing a book with 1,000 words a day.
- •Discipline is the harsh answer nobody wants to hear
- •Discipline is needed for fitness, finances and intellect
- •Total freedom without discipline leads to slavery to addiction or circumstances
- •You don't master discipline; you keep working at it
- •Writing 1,000 words daily illustrates focused discipline
Three Truths, Pride and Closing
Jocko gives his three truths, matching his three books: take ownership, discipline equals freedom, and be balanced. He says he's proud his kids are on a good trajectory and credits his wife. He ends with his projects, including Origin Maine, and defines greatness as helping others.
- •Three truths: extreme ownership, discipline equals freedom, balance
- •Proud of his kids, credit to his wife
- •Take ownership of bad outcomes but not credit for good ones
- •Origin Maine rebuilds American manufacturing
- •Greatness is helping out other people
