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The KEY SIGNS You're Going To Become SUCCESSFUL & WEALTHY | Patrick Bet-David & Lewis Howes

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  1. 0:00 – 4:31

    Why Sequencing Is the Key to Success

    1. PB

      I mean, you have to be patiently aggressive

    2. LH

      'Cause you want your money to double now.

    3. PB

      Oh, exactly. [laughs]

    4. LH

      But it might take 10 years.

    5. PB

      Yeah, but if you are willing to do the 10 years, it may double 40 times.

    6. LH

      I think you gotta have a dream.

    7. PB

      The School of Greatness.

    8. LH

      Really?

    9. PB

      [laughs] Yeah. Please welcome Lewis Howes.

    10. LH

      We have my man, Patrick Bet-David, in the house. Good to see you, brother.

    11. PB

      Good to see you.

    12. LH

      Excited to see someone in person. And, um, we met, I don't know, probably three years ago?

    13. PB

      Three years ago, yeah.

    14. LH

      Three years ago.

    15. PB

      Yeah.

    16. LH

      And where you interviewed me for your show.

    17. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    18. LH

      And I remember seeing your content blowing up before that, and it's blown up even more. And I think you do an amazing job of expressing your opinion through your experience, and really evaluating the whole landscape of a topic, and then giving a great, you know, experience or answer on, on your stuff. So I love your content, and you've got a new book called Your Next Five Moves-

    19. PB

      Yes

    20. LH

      ... Master the Art of Business Strategy. So we're gonna be talking about business, we're gonna be talking about money, we're gonna be talking about these things. I'm curious, do we need to know the next five moves, or do we need to know the first move?

    21. PB

      Yeah, very good question. So the, the whole premise behind this book, how this came about, was, uh, you know how everybody talks about what is the key to success. You know, the key to success is marry the right person, save money-

    22. LH

      Mm-hmm

    23. PB

      ... work hard, go to school, get a degree, love people, faith, God. Uh, you, you hear so many different things, and we were having this debate one time. Uh, and I would ask everybody, it's just the basic question to everybody, "Uh, what's the key to success? What is it?" I'm like, "You know what?"

    24. LH

      [laughs]

    25. PB

      Years later, I said, "I, uh, in my mind, the biggest key to success, almost anybody I see that takes it to a whole different level, the highest levels, the difference between them and other people is their sequencing. And what I mean by sequencing is the following. So you and I may have the same vision of what we wanna do in life, okay? You wanna get here, I wanna get here.

    26. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    27. PB

      This could be anything. We both wanna build a billion-dollar company.

    28. LH

      Mm.

    29. PB

      Fine. We both wanna be, uh, building a company that does 100 million a year. We both wanna go into, uh, uh, football. We both wanna go play at the highest level. We both wanna go out there and be great sales- whatever it may be that's the ultimate, right? If my order of steps I take to go here isn't as efficient as, as yours because your sequencing is better, you're gonna get there faster than I am, and I may ne- not even, uh, never even get there. Because I'm trying to do move 14 on move three, and that's the most common thing that you see. One day I woke up, I was in a relationship, and this is, I'm 26 years old, 27 years old, 26, 25 years old, and I'm trying to get my business going. I wake up 6:00 in the morning, I get a text. "Babe, I have to tell you this. As much as I love you, I don't see this relationship going anywhere."

    30. LH

      Wow.

  2. 4:31 – 9:16

    Step One: Decide Who You Want to Be

    1. PB

      So the first thing you have to do is you, you gotta y- last night I'm at Rafi's Place and I'm having dinner with my three buddies. None of us are supposed to do anything in life. One of them is Steven Offo, they're running a $300 billion a year business. Steve was the Michael Jordan of our high school.

    2. LH

      Wow.

    3. PB

      Okay? He was a great basketball player, but we're all 2.0 GPA kids.

    4. LH

      Right.

    5. PB

      And Armand was-

    6. LH

      Makes great salesmen.

    7. PB

      Yes.

    8. LH

      2.0 guys. [laughs]

    9. PB

      Yes. And Armand was always a fighter. He would always get in trouble. Like, he was the guy that, he's the 5'6" guy you don't wanna fight.

    10. LH

      [laughs]

    11. PB

      Like, you'd go to a party, you know the smallest guy you go to a party? And this 5'6" guy would go to a party, and he would stand there and he would say, "That guy's looking at me." I'm like, "Bro, he's not looking at you." "No, I know he's looking at me. He's looking at..." I'm like, "I promise you he's not look-" He's the kinda guy that would walk up and just punch the guy in the face.

    12. LH

      Just for no reason.

    13. PB

      Just for no reason. What is the matter with you, right? That's his wiring.

    14. LH

      Yeah.

    15. PB

      But we're all together yesterday.

    16. LH

      [laughs]

    17. PB

      Now, we all have kids. We have two, three, and Armand has four kids. We're sitting and we're talking. Armand runs Rafi's Place. If you've been to Rafi's Place, the restaurant in Glendale, if you've not been, you gotta go. It's the best Middle, Middle Eastern restaurant.

    18. LH

      Wow.

    19. PB

      We're just, we're sitting there yesterday and we're having all these conversations. Challenges men go through, whether it's marriage, money, health, what happens at 41, all, everything that you don't wanna talk publicly that men are insecure about, we just talk about it right there, right? Collectively. And the biggest thing that I talk about with one of my friends yesterday is, listen, your number one move is you identifying who you wanna be.

    20. LH

      Mm.

    21. PB

      Not, not who Tiffany wants to be-

    22. LH

      Yeah

    23. PB

      ... not who... It's who do you want to be. Not, not what Patrick wants to be, not what Bobby want, not what your older brother, sister, mom, dad. Who do you want to be? If you and I can figure out who we want to be- And it's as transparent and as clear as possible. I don't have to compare myself against your success. Now, here's a problem, though. Say, for instance, I sit there and I say, "Honestly, I just wanna be a person that's just a regular person- Mm ... and I, I'm glad if I make 80 grand a year, 100 grand a year. I have a nice place. I'm married, I'm happy. My kids are with me. I have good relationships. I'm totally happy." If you say that- If that's what you wanna be ... if you say that's what you wanna be- But if you say, "I want something else," and you're not doing it, then what? Exact- But watch this one here. If you say that's what you wanna be, and you're content with that life, but behind closed doors, your buddy Lewis Howes is making millions, he's doing great, he's all over the place, people are talking about it. If an ounce of envy or jealousy comes in, you either weren't being honest with yourself- Mm ... 'cause that's not exactly who you wanted to be. Mm-hmm. Or you gotta ask the decision, am I living my life or his life? Mm. That's the toughest thing to do, right? Toughest thing to do. Now, the, uh, the other side of it is that let's just say you got a big upside. You know, in sports, a lot of times, you know... Stephen A. Smith did an interview the other day, and they asked him about Vince Carter, and it was the toughest question what, that was asked. They said, "So, V- uh, Vince Carter, he just announced 23 years of retirement. He's leaving the NBA. Stephen A., what can you say about Vince Carter's legacy?" Okay, now, I don't know if you guys know who Vince Carter is. Yeah, amazing. This guy dumped over the seven-footer in the Olympics. Amazing. The guy retired afterwards. He got a contract for- Dunk contest with the elbow. Everything ... the dunk contest with the elbow. Sick, what he was doing in Toronto. McGrady. It's just beautiful when you watch this guy play. I remember one time he dropped 50 in the playoffs. You thought this guy's gonna win the championships, and- Yeah ... he came from Tar Heels, North Carolina. Yeah. He's gonna be the next Mike. But here's what Stephen A. said about Vince Carter. Very difficult. He said, his, you know how Stephen A. does his thing. [laughs] Yeah, he just kinda like- You know. Ha. [laughs] And he, you know, he typically is quick to give the answer. One second goes by. Mm. Two seconds goes by. Five second goes by. He still hasn't said a word. Then all of a sudden he says, "Well, I gotta tell you, this is a good brother. I love this man. He's a great man." You know, he goes into building him up, and then he says- But- ... "It is the most unfulfilled talent we've ever seen in the history of the NBA." Really? He says, "This man should have been competing with the Kobes of the world, the LeBrons of the world, the Jordans of the world, but we never saw it. I wish I would've seen the best of him." And you wa- It's like a minute and 13 seconds. It's so awkward. Oh. If Vince Carter watches that, and it doesn't bother him, more, more power to you, because you were happy to be in the NBA, and you were cool with that. But if you wa- watch that, and it bothers you, you know deep down inside he could've done more. Mm. So you as the individual have to make a decision. Either I'm going for all the mar- I want all the marbles, and I'm willing to go be embarrassed, lose, public hum- humiliation after another one after an- until I get there. Mm-hmm. Or I'm gonna live a simple life, and I'm okay with this. Yeah. But you have to be clear about that. That's step number one. Wow. Hey, it's Lewis here, and I would love to connect directly with you. Text me the word YouTube to my number, 614-350-3960, to receive weekly inspirational messages from me.

  3. 9:16 – 11:32

    Finding Your Talents and Your Role

    1. PB

      Okay, and what's step two? Once you, once you're identifying that part, then it's figuring out your own talents that you have. Mm-hmm. And once I know my talents, where can my talents be used, you know? Yeah. If you're a numbers guy, what industry can use your talents? Well, maybe it's finance, economy, investment banker. You know, maybe it's on that side. May- if, if it's the creative side, maybe I'm gonna go be on the marketing side. Maybe I wanna be behind the scenes. I don't wanna be in front of camera. I wanna be the support person. Then, then you say, "Well, I'm not a good number one guy. I'm a good number two person. I'm a number three person." Then you have to find out your positioning at the po- at the point of your life. Tom, w- was the former president of our company, PHP. Uh, one of the best decisions was hiring this guy. Mm. When I hired Tom and brought him on board, he, uh, introduced me to Vistage years ago. Vistage is kinda like a YPO, EO. You're familiar with YPO. Yes. So Vistage is an element of that. It's very similar, but it's a little bit older crowd. YPO's a little bit younger. Vistage has 50, 60-year-olds. Yeah. Right? And I li- I wanna be around 60-year-olds. So he introduced me to Vistage, and over the years, we became very good friends before I hired him. And I said, "So, Tom, let me ask you a question. In your life, you, you guys sold Jamdat for 780 million. You got a massive exit. But you were the number six guy. How come you don't wanna be the number one guy?" He says, "Good question." He gave me the best answer. He says, "You realize I'm 54 years old," at the time when we were talking. He says, uh, "It took me 54 years to realize I'm not a good number one." Hmm. 54 years. 54 years to realize I'm not a good number one. What would have happened if he would've realized that at, at 30? That's the point. Every one of his biggest checks he ever got, he was the number five, the number four or the nu- every time he was number one, the company didn't do well. Interesting. So sometimes we wanna be number one, but maybe you're not a number one. Sometimes you wanna be MJ, but maybe you're Scotty. Sometimes you wanna be MJ and Scotty, but maybe you're John Paxson and Steve Kerr. Mm-hmm. Maybe you're somebody that later on is gonna be the general manager of the, you know, Chicago Bulls. Your name is, uh, John Paxson. Maybe you're gonna be a great coach, years later winning three out of five championships. Your name is Steve Kerr. But you gotta- Mm ... play your game with your strength. So one- And, and in the season of life. Exactly. You know what I mean? And in the season of life, because you may be a number six right now, but you may eventually be a good number one. Maybe it's just not time. In a different role. In a different- In a different package. Yes. In a- Yes, but it's the sequencing, man. Mm. Everything is sequencing, you know?

  4. 11:32 – 17:19

    Sequencing in Practice: Chess, Kerkorian and Patrick's Missteps

    1. PB

      What does sequencing mean for you? What does that- Se- sequencing to me means, okay, you, if you wake up every day, you have a sequence of what you do. Okay, like, what's the first thing you do when you wake up? Mostly meditate. Okay, what's the next thing you do? Make my bed. And then what's the next thing you do? Brush my teeth, shower. Okay, that's a sequence. Yeah. Okay, so that, now what if I wake up, and the first thing I do is I shower first, okay? Then I go eat, then I put my clothes on, then I go to work, and I say, "Sometime throughout the day, I'm gonna meditate." I just messed the whole sequence up. Mm-hmm. What is the foundation of what I'm starting the day with, right? Yeah. What is the sequence of what I'm gonna be doing next? If every decision you're about to make next, whether it's marriage, having kids, business partnership, a joint venture, if everything you did- You stepped away from the world, your girl, your mom, your dad, your peers, your family. You went to a restaurant, you sat there with a piece of paper saying, "Okay, I'm thinking about marriage. What do I need to do next? What's the next move I need to make?"

    2. LH

      Mm.

    3. PB

      Then you go, "I don't know if that's number one. I think that's number three." And you play that game. It's fascinating.

    4. LH

      Right.

    5. PB

      It's fascinating. It's like playing chess.

    6. LH

      Yeah.

    7. PB

      It's like, you know these master chess players, they know their next 10 to 15 moves. The amateurs are like, "Oh, [censored] . Here we go. This is what I'm gonna do."

    8. LH

      [laughs]

    9. PB

      You know? And these guys are like...

    10. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    11. PB

      And you're like, "What are you doing?"

    12. LH

      Yeah. They see it in the future.

    13. PB

      It's all se- it's all sequencing.

    14. LH

      But it takes the steps to get to the future. You can't just jump to the future.

    15. PB

      I mean, it's the story of Bob Iger. It's the story of, uh, Ted Turner. It's the story of Kirk Kerkorian. You know how Kirk Kerkorian went from being a regular guy in Bakersfield who didn't graduate past eighth grade, you know, goes and pays a guy a dollar to let him fly a plane, and eventually becomes a pilot for Bugsy, with the mob, and eventually goes and becomes a pilot. Buys TWA, turns it into a big company, sells it for a few hundred million dollars, then decides to go to Vegas, then he decides to buy a couple hotels, then he buys 80 acres of property across the street from Tropicana.

    16. LH

      Mm.

    17. PB

      Then he buys MGM. He's not the founder of MGM. He turns it into what it is, dies at 98 years old as a multibillionaire, gives a billion dollars to Armenia after the earthquake of 1988. This is all sequencing, man.

    18. LH

      Mm.

    19. PB

      This is all sequencing. When you go through it, everything is sequencing.

    20. LH

      Yeah.

    21. PB

      And when you look at it that way, you tend to make better decisions.

    22. LH

      What was the time in your life where you tried to sequence, but it was the wrong sequencing and you got bad results?

    23. PB

      Yeah.

    24. LH

      And what has been the time where you had the best sequencing, where you actually mapped it out in your mind, "This is the sequence," you did it, and you created those results?

    25. PB

      Yeah.

    26. LH

      Big one.

    27. PB

      So there, there's two answers to that. I'll give you, I'll give you both of them.

    28. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    29. PB

      One, I tried to sequence to get married at 23 years old.

    30. LH

      You tried it?

  5. 17:19 – 22:43

    Entrepreneur vs. Intrapreneur and Betting on Rising Stocks

    1. LH

      And what's the difference between entrepreneur versus intrapreneur, and how do you know if you should be entrepreneur, an entrepreneur, or if you should be entrepreneurial-

    2. PB

      Yeah

    3. LH

      ... with a team and a mission that has funds and resources, and it's not all on your shoulders?

    4. PB

      Yeah, that's a great question. So, you know, one of the things we talk about in this book, Your Next 5 Moves, is knowing, you know, when you decide how you wanna create your wealth and who you wanna be. Meaning, okay, so who do you wanna be? I wanna be an intrapreneur, I wanna be an entrepreneur, I wanna be a solopreneur, I wanna be a content creator, I wanna be an influencer, I wanna be an inventor, I wanna be an investor. So you, you kinda figure out what angle you wanna go and who you wanna be.

    5. LH

      Yep.

    6. PB

      And then you figure out which one you wanna do next. You may wanna be an entrepreneur, but intrapreneur may make sense next, right? You wanting to be an intrapreneur may make sense next. So this movement of entrepreneur got a lot of people to become entrepreneurs who should have never become entrepreneurs.

    7. LH

      Right.

    8. PB

      Okay? J- they just should have never become entrepreneurs, because they did not experience the element of being an intrapreneur. An intrapreneur Thinks, works, is wired, looks at money, people, talent, recruits, sells, sells the dream. Everything an intrapreneur does is identical to the entrepreneur.

    9. LH

      Mm.

    10. PB

      The only difference between the intrapreneur and the entrepreneur is the entrepreneur put up the money.

    11. LH

      Yeah.

    12. PB

      That's it.

    13. LH

      Yeah.

    14. PB

      Meaning there is nothing else that's different there. The same amount of sacrifices this guy's willing to make, this guy's willing to make. He just didn't put up the money, right?

    15. LH

      Which is a whole different level of sacrifice-

    16. PB

      Whole different level of sacri-

    17. LH

      ... pressure, stress.

    18. PB

      You got it.

    19. LH

      Yeah.

    20. PB

      And that's one of the reasons why the intrapreneur respects the entrepreneur.

    21. LH

      Mm.

    22. PB

      It's like the hidden code. "Listen, man, I'm willing to do everything you're doing, but I didn't put up money."

    23. LH

      Right, right.

    24. PB

      "Salute."

    25. LH

      Right, right.

    26. PB

      "I respect you. This is why you're number one, I'm number two, but I salute you. What do we need to do, right?" And there's that element of respect for m- one another. Now, the entrepreneur has to be willing to allow an intrapreneur to exist. So for example, Bob Iger's story. Bob Iger starts off with ABC years ago. Young guy coming out, doesn't know what he wants to do. Accidentally gets a job. He starts working at ABC, then he works his way up, then it's his dream to be a p- a CEO of Disney, then eventually becomes the CEO of Disney. He's the CEO of Disney for 15, 16 years. He ends up closing George Lucas and buys Star Wars.

    27. LH

      Right.

    28. PB

      He ends up buying Marvel. He ends up buying Pixar from Steve Jobs, and he ends up buying Fox. You do these four trans- His salary was $67 million a year.

    29. LH

      Wow.

    30. PB

      Not net worth, salary. Never was an entrepreneur.

  6. 22:43 – 28:47

    How Patrick Met His Wife and Why Marriage Is One Year at a Time

    1. LH

      When did you know your wife was gonna be your wife, and what did you see in her that made you say, "This is gonna be my next move in this area of my life"?

    2. PB

      That's a great question. So I, I, uh, for the five and a half years that we weren't together, every friend I ever had, I set them up on a double date. Every friend I ever, I would say, "Dude, go ask her out."

    3. LH

      Wow.

    4. PB

      "She's a wife. You said you want a wife. Go ask her out. You think so? You think she'd be interested? Call her. Call her up. Go talk to her." Everybody, I would say, "Go talk to her." Why? Etiquette, high. Okay? Temperament, calm.

    5. LH

      Mm.

    6. PB

      Very easygoing. Accommodating, but disciplined. Worker, has her own identity. Not a pushover.

    7. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    8. PB

      Strong, but at the same time, it's just so gentle to be around her. Now myself, so originally I thought I wanted to marry myself, so I did.

    9. LH

      Mm, mm.

    10. PB

      I, I ended up dating someone that was me. We were both Libras, okay?

    11. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    12. PB

      She was my former boss, and we almost killed each other.

    13. LH

      Wow.

    14. PB

      I mean, I would've been, one of us would've been dead-

    15. LH

      [laughs]

    16. PB

      ... because it was like fire versus fire-

    17. LH

      Wow

    18. PB

      ... and she is so competitive, and we're go- Just craziness, right? And then, uh, one day I sat down and I read this book, 101 Questions to Ask Before You Get Engaged.

    19. LH

      Mm.

    20. PB

      And this book I read, I went through all these things and I said, "Wait a minute. Who I thought I wanted as a wife is not really a wife. Who I wanted as a wife, these are the 18 things that I'm, I can't compromise these things." So yeah, there's, that's definitely not gonna work out. This is definitely not gonna work out. Here's what I need. And I'm sorry. People can say that's chauvinistic. This is what matters to me. I can't try to please you because you think it's chauvinistic. This is what matters to me. Here's what I'm willing to make a decision. So then-

    21. LH

      Mm

    22. PB

      ... uh, we were at Palm Springs, and my wife and I, at that time she was, uh, in a different relationship, and- Uh, she's sitting across from me. Her relationship had ended, my relationship had ended, and I said, "Who are you seeing right now?" She says, "I'm not seeing anybody." I said, "You're not seeing anybody?" Said, "No." The guy sitting in that corner was in, was Rusty. I said, "Rusty, let's switch seats."

    23. LH

      [laughs]

    24. PB

      So I go sit next to her. I said, "So what are you looking for in a man?"

    25. LH

      Just like that.

    26. PB

      Yeah. I said, "So what are you looking for in a man?" So she says, uh, "You know, I'm looking for somebody that's tall, strong, you can't push him over, and..." So I'm like, okay, either she's a great recruiter on what she's saying, or she's just saying, "I don't want somebody that's a pushover-

    27. LH

      Mm

    28. PB

      ... because I want somebody that can protect the family." I said, "Okay, great, let's go have wine afterwards." We went downstairs. I had a glass of wine, she had a glass of orange juice, and, uh, then we spent the whole weekend together. Then we drove back from Palm Springs back home. It was a two-and-a-half-hour drive, and we talked in the car the entire time. She went to Pasadena to visit her family, but before she did that, Monday night, I said, "Meet me at Jerry's Deli." You know the Jerry's Deli off, off of Ventura?

    29. LH

      Yeah.

    30. PB

      She meets me at Jerry's Deli at 10:00, and she says, "So Pat, tell me, when you sell this policy, how do you sell it? What do you say when they say this?" And she goes an hour asking questions about sales.

  7. 28:47 – 31:34

    Marriage, Targets and Accepting Imperfections

    1. LH

      Where do you think you'd be if you were single over the last 11 years? Weren't married, didn't have kids. Would you be farther along in your financial-

    2. PB

      No way

    3. LH

      ... success and-

    4. PB

      No

    5. LH

      ... fulfillment success, or does this bring you more financial and inner fulfillment?

    6. PB

      Well, the, the, the... Look, when you're married, there is just as much of a target on you when you're married when you're single.

    7. LH

      How so?

    8. PB

      You have to understand how so, because you're a target. You're somebody that's taken. It's a challenge.

    9. LH

      It's desirable for other women.

    10. PB

      It's a challenge. It's a challenge.

    11. LH

      You have to check yourself all the time constantly.

    12. PB

      Oh, I have a formula.

    13. LH

      [laughs]

    14. PB

      Which last week I was at West Palm.

    15. LH

      Tell me this formula.

    16. PB

      And I can't tell you the formula on, on camera here, but the formula I can tell you privately. But-

    17. LH

      [laughs]

    18. PB

      ... I, I'm, I'm at West Palm and I started sharing this formula with our married guys. I said, "Guys, listen."

    19. LH

      [laughs]

    20. PB

      I said, I'm with three guys, I said, "You guys are all good-looking, okay?" One guy's name is Andrew.

    21. LH

      You got money, you're good-looking, you got-

    22. PB

      You're good-looking. These guys are all, like, good-looking. One guy went to APU, the other guy's a butcher from Jersey who had a Broadway show in New York, and the other guy was a Calvin Klein model, 6'4", Curtis Eatman. I'm saying, I'm like, "Guys, you're very good-looking. Now, good news is you guys all married well. You're, you're, you have beautiful wives." I said, "But don't get it twisted."

    23. LH

      Yeah.

    24. PB

      You know, when you're by yourself, and you, you're a, you're, you're a target as well, so you gotta have a system. So I told them the system.

    25. LH

      [laughs]

    26. PB

      When I told them the system, they sat there, they're like... It was the uncomfortable moment. And, uh, I say, "Yeah, this is very effective."

    27. LH

      [laughs]

    28. PB

      Just so, it gives you two hours of savings, okay, if you do this exercise-

    29. LH

      Yeah

    30. PB

      ... that I'm telling you. And, uh, while I'm telling them, their face is turning red, and then their wives come. "So what are you guys talking about?" I said, "Yeah, Andrew, why don't you tell your wife what we're talking about, babe? You know why." [laughs]

  8. 31:34 – 43:25

    What Rich People Do Differently: Relationships and Contacts

    1. LH

      I'm curious about, you've built a very rich life, not just financially, but in your marriage and your, your, your family, your friendships, your client relationships. You've built a rich life. I'm curious, what are the three things that poor people do that rich people don't do? Or you can reverse it-

    2. PB

      Yeah

    3. LH

      ... what are three things rich people do that poor people don't do?

    4. PB

      Well, I, I can tell you, uh, uh, the, they, they have a, the intuition of how they, uh, judge people because everything is about the whole intuition part, right? You're sitting there, who you choose to befriend, who you choose to have relationships with-

    5. LH

      Mm-hmm

    6. PB

      ... you know, and how you water those relationships. Because if you wanna have a relationship together, and it's just take, take, take, nothing's gonna happen. I remember I'm a 24-year-old kid. Uh, I don't know nothing about business. I've done some stuff in sales, but I really don't know nothing about business. I'm, I'm a 22-year-old kid. I go and I take this guy- I go to a job interview at the advertising group. Shout out to Jamie Hepp. And I watch this guy. He interviews me. I'm, I'm at that time working at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, but I'm trying to see what else I wanna do, okay? So I got started the day before 9/11, but I'm-

    7. LH

      Wow

    8. PB

      ... still interviewing. I sit with him in the interview, and the way he interviewed me, I sat and I said, "I will never work for this company because it's just not what I wanna do," because they were selling Xerox machines and, uh, business to business. I said, "But I wanna have a relationship with you." I said, "Do you mind if I get your business card?" He said, "Yeah, sure." I said, "Okay, great." So he gives me his business card. A year and a half later, I get a job. I'm doing good m- at this point, I'm making some income, 23 years old. I call him up and I say, "Jamie, you don't remember me, but I wanna take you out to lunch, and I wanna pick your brain if you don't mind. I told you a year and a half ago that I wanted to do this with you, and you said yes." He says, "Great, let's do it." So we go to Macaroni, Macaroni Grill, somewhere in Culver City, right around here, like V- uh, Victory, C- uh, uh, Overland, some- somewhere around that area. So we go there. He brings this drop dead gorgeous girl that works for him. I think her name is Natalia or Natasha or something with N, right? And she's beautiful. Short skirt, perfect legs, flawless, beautiful face. She's sitting right there, and I know what he's trying to do. He's trying to woo me to go be one of his sales guys. And I said, "Look, with all due respect, you're beautiful, but I have no interest in you. My interest is in you. Is it fair if we just talk business for an hour?"

    9. LH

      Wow.

    10. PB

      He says yes, so I went, okay? Now, at this point, he's making a million. I'm making 50 grand a year. I'm a nobody, okay? We have lunch again. I'm taking notes, taking notes, taking notes. I offer to pay. He doesn't let me pay. He pays. He says, "I got it. No problem." When I leave, I send him a book. We had this meeting that we did every three to six months together at this restaurant, Argentinian restaurant, called Bamboo, which they had this beautiful, uh, uh, soup. Every time we would have dinner with him or we'd go to lunch, I would always send him a book. 10 years later, he says, "Every time I meet with Patrick, a book is on its way," okay?

    11. LH

      Mm.

    12. PB

      So I valued the relationship. I asked him, "What do you need from me?"

    13. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    14. PB

      "How can I bring things to you?" Years later, he gives me one referral. That one referral he gave me helped me open up Florida. If he doesn't give me that referral, that Florida office wouldn't have been opened up, right?

    15. LH

      Wow.

    16. PB

      One contact opens up a whole state, okay? So another relationship I can tell you about is I was going to churches, and I said, "Let me see what's gonna happen with these churches." And I'm going to churches, and I'm going to these different places, and I'm having... Uh, I'm studying Scientology. I'm studying LDS. I'm studying Jehovah, Judaism. I'm studying everything. At this point in the game, I was obsessed with religion, so all I wanna do is study, study, study everything about religion, right?

    17. LH

      Hmm.

    18. PB

      And I'm 24, 25, I eventually find this church called Shepherd at H- Shepherd of the Hills, which is ran by a guy named Dudley Rutherford, and I go to this place. And I'm not, I'm a, I'm an atheist, so it's not like I'm going into... I'm just trying to see what's going on over here because-

    19. LH

      Trying to learn, yeah

    20. PB

      ... I'm just trying to learn. I'm not trying to do it. I go to this place and I'm like, "Okay, I like this guy's style." Yeah, typically you go to church, "If you don't do this, you're gonna go to hell." And I'm like, "Dude, I don't need to know I'm going to hell. I know I'm going to hell."

    21. LH

      [laughs]

    22. PB

      "I just want to know I have a shot in heaven, you know what I'm saying?" So this guy's energy was, "You have a shot at heaven," right?

    23. LH

      Oh.

    24. PB

      I'm like, "Okay, cool."

    25. LH

      All right.

    26. PB

      I'm a- this might try out.

    27. LH

      We'll build better. [laughs]

    28. PB

      I feel a little better, right? I know the screw-ups what I have in my life

    29. LH

      Speaking of heaven

    30. PB

      ... let me see, maybe I got a shot over here. So I go there, and I'm, uh, sitting in the back. I watch him once, twice, three times, four times. I'm like, "Wow, this, I like this guy." So then I send him an email. Little bit of an arrogant email, but I'll tell you what the email was. I sent him an email and I said, "Listen, my name is Patrick Bet-David. You don't know who I am, but I'm gonna be somebody in the world."

  9. 43:25 – 52:28

    Patrick's Rules for Money: Game, Cash, Doubles and Patience

    1. PB

      It's a game. The number one rule is it's a game. You're playing a game. It's that simple, you know? Uh, uh, if you, if you look at it as a game, just like anything, you can get better at it, right? Like, I don't, whatever game you play. If you play Uno, if you play Monopoly-

    2. LH

      Yeah

    3. PB

      ... if you play Clue, if you play Jenga-

    4. LH

      Fortnite

    5. PB

      ... if you play Fortnite. If w- anything you play, you know, you're gonna get good. I remember in my time, I was playing Fester's Quest. I played Zelda.

    6. LH

      Play Zelda, yeah.

    7. PB

      I used to play Final Fantasy I, and I would play, um, obviously Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. But it was also, uh, what was the, Mario Kart?

    8. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    9. PB

      Is it Super Mario Kart? I s- and you know how you would do the three jumps-

    10. LH

      Yeah, yeah

    11. PB

      ... and then bam, it's going fast.

    12. LH

      [laughs]

    13. PB

      And I would beat this time, 32 seconds. I was so proud of it, but I, I played it 50,000 times, right?

    14. LH

      Right.

    15. PB

      So the game with money, it's, it's exactly what it is. Once you learn how to play the game with money, then it has to do with timing, then it has to do with different kind of things. Like, you know, a, a, a year ago, I get a call from a guy who needs cash. I said, "Okay." So-

    16. LH

      Like an, he needs an investment

    17. PB

      ... he n- he, he has something he has to sell immediately-

    18. LH

      Mm-hmm

    19. PB

      ... to get cash in return.

    20. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    21. PB

      Okay? 'Cause he needs the money right away. So I said, "Okay. So, uh, what are you selling?" He says, "It's the two greatest Wayne Gretzky cards." I said, "Okay."

    22. LH

      Signed or unsigned?

    23. PB

      No, this is a PSA 10 1979 O-Pee-Chee Topps.

    24. LH

      Signature?

    25. PB

      No sign.

    26. LH

      Uh-huh.

    27. PB

      But it's the Holy Grail.

    28. LH

      [whistles] Wow.

    29. PB

      So the, the, the O-Pee-Chee one sold in 2016 for $453,000. Okay?

    30. LH

      Wow.

  10. 52:28 – 1:00:08

    Best Investments in Yourself and Losing a Job

    1. PB

      So you know, I will tell you, I went to a Harvard OPM program one time, and I spent-

    2. LH

      OPM?

    3. PB

      OPM is Owner President Management program. So if you run a business that does 10 million or more, you get to go to it, and it's three years of three weeks living on campus, right?

    4. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    5. PB

      I went there, but I, uh, uh, didn't go afterwards for different reasons. But I went there. When I spent that $50,000 and I was on campus for three weeks, you spend three weeks with 144 people from 64 different countries. So watch what happens. I'm sitting there, and at this point of the game, I have no idea what it is to be a CEO.

    6. LH

      Mm.

    7. PB

      I've gone from being an employee to a salesperson to a sales leader to a good manager, but I don't know what it is to be a CEO. I have no idea what it is to be a CEO. So I sit next to this guy, he becomes my, uh, teammate, my partner. He, uh, he owns the Victoria's Secret of New Zealand and Australia. The reason why I'm laughing is because the last day, eight of us were chosen to go present a business opportunity.

    8. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    9. PB

      So he keeps telling me, "Patrick, I'm gonna kill it. Just watch what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna scare the hell out of Leneto," I think the lady's name is Leneto 'cause she's the main person that does it. "Watch what I'm about to do." So he goes up on stage. Lewis is a very simple guy. I mean, good-looking guy, but he's not a charismatic anything. He just goes up on stage. He says, "Let me tell you why you ought to invest a million dollars into my new, uh, lingerie line." Uh, he says, "Here's a PowerPoint. [laughs] Here's the po- you see all the sexy women here? You know what? I think it's more important for you to see this face to face. Ladies?"

    10. LH

      No way. Brings them in.

    11. PB

      Seven models come in half-naked wearing the lingerie. The entire place, all the entrepreneurs are going crazy, but the teachers are furious with him. The ladies are running up-

    12. LH

      Wow

    13. PB

      ... takes their jacket off and is trying to cover all these women. It was phenomenal, right, to see this year. But the point is-

    14. LH

      On Harvard's stuffy school area [laughs]

    15. PB

      On Harvard's campus, right? Think about it. Here's the part. Five years goes by, I'm talking to you about it. That's called marketing, right?

    16. LH

      You remember it.

    17. PB

      I remember it. But when I was sitting next to him, I said, I said, "Listen, man, I'm trying to, I'm trying to learn how to be a good CEO. What do you suggest about being a good CEO?" He says, "Man, I got 7,000 employees, and I have seven CEOs that report directly to me." I spent three weeks with this guy telling me stuff that he does with his CEO. He's not a motivational speaker. I don't even think he's got 1,000 people follow him on Instagram.

    18. LH

      Mm.

    19. PB

      He's worth a couple billion. He's not an influencer. But those three weeks of talking to, I was like a kid in a candy store trying to pull information out of this guy.

    20. LH

      Mm.

    21. PB

      And it was all technical stuff. It wasn't motivational stuff, "What time do you wake up? What's your daily routine?" None of that stuff. It's, "What do you do when you're trying to hire a person and you know you gotta give him equity, but you're afraid if you give him too much equity and he leaves early, and you protect yourself that if you fire him, does he still get the other two-thirds? Does he still... How do you do this?" He go, "Well, you set it up this way." "What do you do to make sure your attorney that you have, that attorney that you have who is negotiating with the other attorney and he doesn't really wanna go to court, so behind closed doors they're settling and he's not really working on your side, he's working on the other side to kinda speed it up, and he, how do you get him to..." "Well, you get another, get another attorney who holds him accountable." I'm like, these are the things that he said to me that you can't read about in places.

    22. LH

      Right.

    23. PB

      So you said three investments, that's one of them. Uh, Vistage was 100% a great investment because we met once a month Uh, for three, four years with a man named John Morris. John Morris is a local guy, Santa Monica guy. It'd be great for you to get connected with him. We're sitting in a meeting one time with John Morris, and one of the entrepreneurs is going out of business, [laughs] and he says, "Uh, guys, uh, I got bad news." 'Cause you would start the meeting and he would say, "Here's my personal life, here's my health, here's my marriage, here's my business, here's my kids," and we would all talk amongst each other. Everybody had to sign NDAs so you don't tell your story. But one guy gets up and he says, "Guys, I got bad news. I'm about to go out of business." "Why?" "If I don't get a half a million by this Friday, we're shutting down. If I get it, I'll last another year and a half, and I think we'll make it, but I'm shutting down." This is what John does. "Tell me what do you need for a half a million? What are you willing to give up for the half a million? What are you willing to do this?"

    24. LH

      Mm.

    25. PB

      He says, "Give me a second." In front of all of us-

    26. LH

      Wire the money

    27. PB

      ... calls a guy... No, calls a guy who is in his business, same industry, says, uh-

    28. LH

      It's a good deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah

    29. PB

      ... "Take this call. Go talk to him. Terms." Boom. Guy comes back ecstatic. By Friday, half a million was in his account.

    30. LH

      Wow.

  11. 1:00:08 – 1:04:02

    Research, Levels and the Price of Going Big

    1. LH

      When you think about someone you wanna connect with, what goes through your mind of the, the sequencing of how do I reach out to this person, what are the first questions?

    2. PB

      Well, a lot of research on the person.

    3. LH

      Yeah.

    4. PB

      I do a lot of research on the person.

    5. LH

      You're really good at that, yeah.

    6. PB

      A lot of research on the person.

    7. LH

      I think people don't know how valuable understanding who someone is and what their history is-

    8. PB

      I agree

    9. LH

      ... and what makes them tick-

    10. PB

      I agree

    11. LH

      ... how meaningful that is when you do that.

    12. PB

      Yeah, I agree.

    13. LH

      And I think you did this when you first interviewed me. You just knew a lot about me, and you did research.

    14. PB

      Yeah.

    15. LH

      And I'm like, man, it takes so much time and energy. And when you're running a business with 1,000 employees-

    16. PB

      Yeah

    17. LH

      ... or you're doing 10 sales calls a day, you're, you know, a husband, you're a dad, how do you manage-

    18. PB

      Mm

    19. LH

      ... building relationships when you have so much going on, though, and you have no free time?

    20. PB

      Yeah. So, so this, this goes into at what level you wanna go to in life, meaning-

    21. LH

      Mm

    22. PB

      ... there is levels in this game, right? Like, listen, uh, uh, Gary Payton is alpha, but he's not alpha when Michael's in the room. When Michael's in the room, Michael's the alpha.

    23. LH

      Yeah, he's a little-

    24. PB

      Kobe's an alpha, but not when Michael's in the room. But anybody else in the room, Kobe's the alpha, including Magic Johnson.

    25. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    26. PB

      Including Shaq.

    27. LH

      Yeah.

    28. PB

      But when Barkley's in the room with Shaq, who's the alpha? Shaq's the alpha.

    29. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    30. PB

      Okay? But when Barkley's in the room with a Carmelo Anthony, Barkley's the alpha. Everything's about levels, right? So what level do you want to go to? So if you wanna go at the next levels, it's gonna require you to be a little bit more meticulous and detailed about your strategy, about, uh, uh, uh, the kinda help you're gonna need, the kind of research you're gonna need, the kind of relationships you're gonna need. You know, and then figuring out, like, your scheduling. Sometimes people want to have the four-hour workweek. I'm not a four-hour workweek guy-

  12. 1:04:02 – 1:08:09

    Managing Guilt, Ambition and the Marriage Agreement

    1. PB

      I think the, the, the, the understanding of knowing that, you know, if I really wanna do something big, what do I do when I'm having the guilt that I get from my wife, my kids, my family? How do you manage guilt?

    2. LH

      Mm. For example, something big. What do you mean by that?

    3. PB

      Okay. So for example, you, you really aspire to have your own talk show.

    4. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    5. PB

      Which you should. I mean, you look like a guy that you ought to have it one day.

    6. LH

      Mm.

    7. PB

      You're that kind of a guy.

    8. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    9. PB

      You need to be on the big screen. You belong on the big screen. You need to have something like that happen with Lewis Howes. I've said this to you from the first time we sat down.

    10. LH

      Right.

    11. PB

      You look like the guy that has something like that going for himself. Montel Williams, uh, meets Oprah Winfrey, meets, you know, Michael Strahan, meets-

    12. LH

      Right, right, right

    13. PB

      ... you know, like, Ellen DeGeneres. Combine those combined.

    14. LH

      Yeah.

    15. PB

      Okay, Lewis Howes Show on TV, right? Okay. So now if we're together, and, you know, it's like, "Oh, babe, you're working too hard, all this. This is research, all this other stuff, and, you know, you're not doing this with your kids, and you're not spending time with this, you're not spending..." You're like, "Oh."

    16. LH

      The guilt.

    17. PB

      The guilt, man. So how do you handle the guilt? The, the guilt works in a few different ways. Ted Turner understood who he was, and Ted Turner, uh, his personal life, he'll be the first to say it, was in shambles. You know, he, uh, uh, married Jane Fonda, didn't work out 'cause Jane Fonda wanted to go, and Jesus changed her life, and she became all spiritual. And Ted's like, "I don't wanna talk about God. I'm just, I'm playing ball, man. Let's go and buy the horses. Let's go to the Montana place." And Ted had so much pressure on his life when Time Warner bottomed out and all this other stuff, but then the guilt comes out, right? "Well, you didn't do this, and you didn't do that, and you didn't do this, and you didn't do that." Yeah, but I wanted to do this with my life. So-

    18. LH

      Hmm

    19. PB

      ... you know, i- i- that, that stuff is can you live without finding out your full potential and not going there? Are you okay? Like, there's a story one time I read, uh, in a book written by John Maxwell. This, I read this like 16 years ago, one of his small books with his affirmations that he had.

    20. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    21. PB

      He said one day a guy goes to, uh, heaven. He dies, and he goes to heaven. He's just meeting with St Peters, and he was always a military guy, right? And he always wanted to be a general, and he wanted to be a great general. He wanted to be a general, go in the military, be a leader, but he never did it. But he followed everybody's history. So he goes to St Peter, and he says, "Hey, question for you, St Peter. I got one question for you." He says, "What's that?" "Who's the greatest general of all time?" He says, "I'm sorry?" He said, "Who's the greatest general of all time?" "You really gonna ask me that?" "Yeah. Was it General Patton?" "No." "Was it Grant?" "No." "Who was it?" "You." He said, "Me?" "Yes. When the recruiter came to you for you to join the Army, and if you had the courage to go in- ... you would've been the greatest general."

    22. LH

      Oh, you just got chills.

    23. PB

      I have it right now.

    24. LH

      [laughs]

    25. PB

      You would've been the greatest general the world had ever seen, but you were afraid.

    26. LH

      Wow.

    27. PB

      I mean, listen, either that story makes you so nervous where you're kinda like, "I can't do that to myself," or that story gets you to be like, "Well, it's okay if I don't go there." Fine. But you're gonna have to deal with that, and whatever you decide to do that's big, there's gonna be sacrifices.

    28. LH

      Yeah.

    29. PB

      And there's gonna come with guilt. So just-

    30. LH

      It's like you either have guilt or regret.

  13. 1:08:09 – 1:16:11

    Timing of Marriage, Temptation and Not Judging Others

    1. PB

      "I'm good, buddy. Thank you." She- pick up, Jen was like, "Babe, it's a little bit disres-" I said, "I'm not disrespecting him." I paid the $200. We got up, we walked out.

    2. LH

      [laughs]

    3. PB

      So we got in the car. She says, "Babe, why'd you just do that? That's disrespectful."

    4. LH

      Wow.

    5. PB

      I said, "It's not disrespectful. Neither one of us are schoolteachers."

    6. LH

      Mm-hmm. So this, whatever he said is not gonna help us.

    7. PB

      It's not gonna work.

    8. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    9. PB

      What do you want me to do with... This is not the life we're choosing to live.

    10. LH

      Yeah.

    11. PB

      So then I had her go meet with Dudley's wife, okay? And they meet together. Now, here's what she says. She says, "Are you comfortable knowing that his time is gonna be taken by everybody? Are you comfortable knowing that you have to put everything into calendar, including your date night? Are you comfortable knowing you're gonna have to remind him what every birthday... Are you comfortable, are you comfortable know- are you comfortable knowing," and she goes through the 10 affirmations, and her number eight is, "Are you comfortable knowing that there's gonna be days you really don't feel like it because you've had three kids and you're so tired 'cause of food, you still have to find time to have sex with your husband?"

    12. LH

      Wow.

    13. PB

      "Are you com-" And she went through all... I, I didn't even know this stuff. Then I'm like, "Man, I love you so much." [laughs]

    14. LH

      [laughs]

    15. PB

      "You're such a great human being," you know? It's like life-changing. But we came back and said... And then I took her to meet with the, uh, uh, for her to know, like, with me, and I said, "Hey, what do you think about me?" And, uh, Dudley looks at me and says, "Listen, I'm not worried about her, I'm worried about you. Because are you comfortable knowing that you also have kids? You have to put them priority as well. You still gotta find the time. You gotta do this, you gotta do that." And he put the onus on me, too.

    16. LH

      Mm-hmm.

    17. PB

      So it can't be her only-

    18. LH

      Right

    19. PB

      ... or him only, but then they said, "Here's what you both have to be comfortable with, and you can make it work, and it's gonna be hard, but if you bought into it upfront, then it's fine." It's when you don't buy into it upfront, three years later after being married, you're like, "Damn." And she says, "But you never said you wanted to do this." Now it's a problem.

    20. LH

      Yeah. Wow. Do you think if you guys wouldn't have been... I mean, it's already hard enough even if you are bought into it.

    21. PB

      Very hard. Marriage is the hardest thing you'll ever do.

    22. LH

      It's, it's already... You already have 10 checked off the list-

    23. PB

      Yeah

    24. LH

      ... both agreed.

    25. PB

      Yeah.

    26. LH

      It's still challenging.

    27. PB

      It's very hard.

    28. LH

      You're still one year at a time, going, "Ah." [laughs]

    29. PB

      You know why marriage is the hardest thing you'll ever do?

    30. LH

      Why?

  14. 1:16:11 – 1:22:54

    Final Questions: Three Truths and Defining Greatness

    1. LH

      I wanna ask you the final question. This has been really inspiring and powerful. And, uh, before I ask them, where can we follow you, uh, on social media the most? You got amazing YouTube, amazing Instagram. Where do you like to hang out the most?

    2. PB

      Yeah, I'm probably, i- if you message me on Twitter, I will most likely respond back on Twitter. Uh, YouTube, if you go to Valuetainment, you'll see the content that's there. And then the, the website to go to is yournextfivemoves.com. And if you buy a copy right now, we're sending you a chapter to read of the book. And if you buy three copies, we're sending an hour strategy that I put together on, uh, four different, uh, strategies to what to do in 2020 post-pandemic. But yeah, you can go on Amazon and buy the book. You can go on Barnes & Noble, buy the book, Your Next 5 Moves. And, uh, once you do read it, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on what your next five moves are gonna be.

    3. LH

      Absolutely, yeah. This question is called the three truths I ask everyone at the end. Imagine you've accomplished every dream you could ever imagine, and it's your last day on earth many, many years from now, and it's all come true. But you gotta take all your body of work with you, all your words, your videos, your audios. It's gone to the next place wherever you go. Hopefully, you get to that heaven spot, right? And you could share three things with the world, only three things. These three things you know to be true in the world that you've learned, these three lessons. What would be your three truths that you would share?

    4. PB

      Three truth, truths to share for me, uh-

    5. LH

      To share to the world as these lessons-

    6. PB

      Yeah

    7. LH

      ... but they would have nothing else from you. None of the content, nothing else.

    8. PB

      Number one, learn how to process issues. Learn how to process issues, not just solve problems.

    9. LH

      Mm.

    10. PB

      Learn how to process issues because if you learn how to process issues, you'll make better decisions as a husband, as a wife, as a father, as a business owner, as a, as a leader, as anything. Processing issues. Uh, second thing I would say is figure out a way to, for me, uh, spiritually, you know, uh, uh, I have a very unique relationship with the man upstairs, and it's played a very, very big part in my life. You have to realize I'm not the guy that's the, uh, uh, I'm the skeptic believer, but I'm somebody that a lot of miracles have happened in my life for me to know that without God and the man upstairs, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. And I'm not just saying, I'm not one that talks a lot about God. You don't see me talk a lot about my faith, but you're asking me the last things to say, it would be that, um-

    11. LH

      So number two would be ...

    12. PB

      Whatever it is you believe in, seek your own truth when it comes down to your faith, and then practice it. Practice it because it, it is gonna give you a different kind of a strength that all the money in the world cannot give you. It's very important when you're making decisions that you're at peace with many of your decisions because the moment you're in anxiety and panic, you're not gonna be enjoying life too much.

    13. LH

      Right.

    14. PB

      And then, you know, uh, the last one, go make your money whatever way you can. Set the money aside for yourself, set the money aside for your husband, your wife, your kids, and then figure out a way to give back to public service, whether it's gonna be through-

    15. LH

      Mm

    16. PB

      ... charity or politics. But do that last part. If you say, I have no desire to get into politics, like your dad sounds like he would've been great in politics, by the way.

    17. LH

      Yeah, yeah.

    18. PB

      Either go do public service, mayor, Congress, Senate, governor, involvement advisor or, you know, clergy, in a clergy church, nonprofit. Figure out a way to give it back after you set yourself up financially so you don't have to worry about that-

    19. LH

      Yeah

    20. PB

      ... anymore.

    21. LH

      That's powerful. I wanna acknowledge you, Patrick, for, uh, for the way you've shown up your entire life and how you constantly grow, constantly improve, and care about people first. That's what I see in you the most. Just before we got on, you did a little video. You remind me a lot of myself 'cause you'll, did a little video, sent it to Robert Greene to say, "Hey, we're thinking about you." That's stuff I do all day. And I just know that your GPA doesn't determine your, your self-worth and your value. And what you struggled with growing up doesn't determine it. What, what I acknowledge in you is how you show up for other people and how you think deeply about how other people can grow and be better human beings. So I acknowledge you for that. And, and you have no ego. You have a little ego, but you really don't have much ego because you're always willing to learn and see if there's a better way to improve, which I think is the way we should all be. It's like, "How can I always learn? And even if I think I know it, I'm still gonna ask people-

    22. PB

      Yeah, yeah

    23. LH

      ... you know, who, who are better than me-

    24. PB

      Yes

    25. LH

      ... what I need to do to get to that next spot." So I really acknowledge that in you.

    26. PB

      I appreciate that.

    27. LH

      And, uh, I think everyone should get this book. It'll be really powerful for people to check this book out. Uh, my final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

    28. PB

      Alignment. It's purely alignment. Uh, if I'm aligned with the, my values and principles and my goals and dreams, and those two are aligned, I'm the most fulfilled, happiest person alive.

    29. LH

      Mm.

    30. PB

      It's when you're unaligned, when you are miserable.

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