Your View On Psychopaths Will Never Be The Same After This | Dr. Patric Gagne

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October 19, 2026

Duration

1h 46m

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Lewis Howes

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• Recommended for you: https://youtu.be/Ol3l-iAwfcs People with psychopathy still feel, just differently from everyone around them. Dr. Patric Gagne, a diagnosed sociopath who went on to earn a doctorate and work as a therapist, sat down with Lewis and told the story she tells in Sociopath: A Memoir. As a kid she learned that saying “I don't care” out loud got her in trouble, so she lied, and lying made her feel safe. She talks about the pressure she called a vice, which she relieved by breaking into homes just to sit in the quiet, and the first grade day she stabbed a classmate with a pencil. Then she explains why secondary psychopathy, which may touch 5% of people, is treatable when kids get caught early. You will hear why a therapist who doesn't absorb your pain can be the best container for it, and why stopping someone from crying can stop the brain from healing. She also gets into the shame under people pleasing and narcissism, and the question she asks her own kids: how does it feel when you feel? You may come away a little gentler with the people you never understood, and with the kid you used to be. Sociopath: A Memoir https://amzn.to/3U0eHIo Dr. Patric's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/patricgagne/?hl=en Dr. Patric's Website https://patricgagne.com/ The Society for the Prevention of Disorders of Aggression https://disordersofaggression.org/ Listen to this episode on the go! 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-school-of-greatness/id596047499 🟢 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/07GQhOZboEZOE1ysnFLipT?si=a03d916bade54d4f For more info about this episode, go to https://lewishowes.com/1995 💰 get my NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING book "Make Money Easy" today!https://lewishowes.com/moneyyou 📙 get my NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING book "The Greatness Mindset" today! https://lewishowes.com/gmyo 📤 sign up for my FREE newsletter https://lewishowes.com/greatnessdelivered Follow Lewis! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lewishowes/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lewis Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lewishowes/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/LewisHowes 💻 Website: http://lewishowes.com/ 📲 For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960 Get More Greatness! Greatness Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@GreatnessClips Spanish: https://www.youtube.com/@LewisHowesEspañol Portuguese: https://www.youtube.com/@LewisHowesPortugues Lewis Howes Shorts: https://www.youtube.com/@lewishowesshorts 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - How Sociopaths Feel Emotion 01:38 - Social Emotions vs Inherent Traits 08:23 - Primary vs Secondary Psychopathy 12:53 - Overcoming Stigma & Inner Child 22:11 - Being a Sociopathic Therapist 29:49 - Can Sociopaths Truly Change? 36:28 - Thrill-Seeking & Releasing Pressure 43:32 - Self-Awareness & Healing Trauma 53:19 - Overcoming People-Pleasing Habits 01:03:37 - 3 Keys to Self-Confidence 01:07:04 - Sociopaths vs Narcissists 01:12:43 - Teaching Kids Emotional Tools 01:29:45 - Guilt, Shame, & Moral Codes 01:40:06 - 3 Golden Truths for Life #greatness #inspiration #motivation

🎤 SPEAKERS

• Dr. Patric Gagne

  guest

  Doctoral-level clinician and author of "Sociopath: A Memoir," known for discussing sociopathy/psychopathy from both clinical and first-person perspectives.

• Lewis Howes

  host

  Host/interviewer of The School of Greatness and former professional athlete turned entrepreneur and podcast host.

🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Lewis Howes, featuring Dr. Patric Gagne and Lewis Howes, Your View On Psychopaths Will Never Be The Same After This | Dr. Patric Gagne explores a sociopathic therapist challenges stigma, emotion myths, and change possibilities Dr. Patric Gagne describes psychopathy as involving intact inherent emotions but difficulty with socially learned emotions like empathy, guilt, and remorse, which she says are primarily learned through modeling.

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