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Greg Brockman: OpenAI and AGI | Lex Fridman Podcast #17

Greg Brockman is the Co-Founder and CTO of OpenAI, a research organization developing ideas in AI that lead eventually to a safe & friendly artificial general intelligence that benefits and empowers humanity. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep17-sb See below for timestamps, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Introduction 01:15 - Physical vs digital world 02:30 - Mind: math or magic? 03:26 - Civilization as intelligent system 07:45 - First question for AGI 10:10 - Keeping AGI positive 15:45 - Teaching a system to be good 18:15 - OpenAI's mission origins 26:22 - OpenAI LP creation 28:24 - Preserving mission integrity 30:10 - Decision-making process 32:40 - Scrutiny burden 33:20 - For-profit AGI for world benefit 37:50 - Charter's daily impact 40:27 - Late-stage AGI collaboration 42:08 - Government's role in AGI policy 44:53 - GPT-2 release concerns 50:30 - Internet bots 57:37 - Unsupervised language processing potential 59:20 - Language modeling and reasoning 1:01:45 - General vs fine-tuned methods 1:03:49 - Democratizing compute resources 1:05:27 - Government-owned compute utilities 1:07:11 - Identifying AGI without compute 1:09:30 - DOTA 1:15:26 - Deep learning future 1:15:59 - Scaling projects vs new projects 1:17:47 - Testing and impressions 1:18:47 - OpenAI's challenges 1:19:19 - Simulation 1:20:00 - Reinforcement learning future 1:21:25 - Consciousness and body for AGI 1:24:24 - Falling in love with AI *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: https://x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: https://patreon.com/lexfridman - Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman

Lex FridmanhostGreg Brockmanguest
Apr 3, 20191h 25mWatch on YouTube ↗

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April 3, 2019
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1h 25m
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Greg Brockman is the Co-Founder and CTO of OpenAI, a research organization developing ideas in AI that lead eventually to a safe & friendly artificial general intelligence that benefits and empowers humanity. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep17-sb See below for timestamps, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Introduction 01:15 - Physical vs digital world 02:30 - Mind: math or magic? 03:26 - Civilization as intelligent system 07:45 - First question for AGI 10:10 - Keeping AGI positive 15:45 - Teaching a system to be good 18:15 - OpenAI's mission origins 26:22 - OpenAI LP creation 28:24 - Preserving mission integrity 30:10 - Decision-making process 32:40 - Scrutiny burden 33:20 - For-profit AGI for world benefit 37:50 - Charter's daily impact 40:27 - Late-stage AGI collaboration 42:08 - Government's role in AGI policy 44:53 - GPT-2 release concerns 50:30 - Internet bots 57:37 - Unsupervised language processing potential 59:20 - Language modeling and reasoning 1:01:45 - General vs fine-tuned methods 1:03:49 - Democratizing compute resources 1:05:27 - Government-owned compute utilities 1:07:11 - Identifying AGI without compute 1:09:30 - DOTA 1:15:26 - Deep learning future 1:15:59 - Scaling projects vs new projects 1:17:47 - Testing and impressions 1:18:47 - OpenAI's challenges 1:19:19 - Simulation 1:20:00 - Reinforcement learning future 1:21:25 - Consciousness and body for AGI 1:24:24 - Falling in love with AI *PODCAST LINKS:*

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  • Lex Fridman

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  • Greg Brockman

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Lex Fridman Podcast, featuring Lex Fridman and Greg Brockman, Greg Brockman: OpenAI and AGI | Lex Fridman Podcast #17 explores greg Brockman on steering AGI: power, safety, and human destiny Greg Brockman, co‑founder and CTO of OpenAI, discusses why he believes artificial general intelligence (AGI) is achievable relatively soon and will be the most transformative technology in human history. He explains OpenAI’s mission to ensure AGI benefits everyone, emphasizing the importance of setting the “initial conditions” — governance, incentives, and culture — under which such a technology is born. The conversation covers OpenAI’s unusual capped‑profit structure, its three‑pronged focus on capabilities, safety, and policy, and concrete examples like GPT‑2 and OpenAI Five in Dota as steps toward more general intelligence. Throughout, Brockman wrestles with risks such as AI‑driven disinformation and power concentration while arguing for a balanced, hopeful vision that highlights AGI’s potential to solve major scientific, economic, and environmental problems.

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