By playing, you agree to uListen's Terms and Privacy Policy and YouTube's Terms of Service.
Masters of ScaleTracee Ellis Ross talks Pattern Beauty, advocacy & joy, w/ Samira Nasr | Masters of Scale Summit '24
Summaries, chapters, transcripts, and FAQs on this page are made by uListen, not YouTube.
Great conversations run long. Their best ideas don't have to.
uListen is free on iPhone, iPad, Android, Chrome, and Claude.
See howAt a glance
WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Tracee Ellis Ross on Pattern Beauty, Joy and Lifelong Friendship
- Ross says she founded Pattern Beauty as a frustrated consumer who wanted haircare products that worked for textured hair and marketing that didn't rely on making people feel bad.
- Pattern's mission pairs products that exceed the needs of the curly, coily and tight-textured community with content, hiring and a team centered on celebrating Black beauty.
- Ross describes joy as her natural state, rooted in her middle name, and as the core of Pattern's 'juicy and joyful' promise to empower rather than shame customers.
- Ross and Nasr, friends for 30 years, describe their friendship as a safe space for leaders in lonely, first-of-their-kind roles, with Ross recalling her unsolicited letter to Anna Wintour recommending Nasr for a Glamour editor-in-chief job.
- Asked what she's glad she didn't know at the start, Ross points to the growing stakes of running a company, while Nasr highlights the value of people and Ross adds that the world is run by people.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasGreat products can start with a frustrated consumer
Ross says she became an entrepreneur not to make money but because as a consumer she wasn't seeing products or representation she wanted, and she dreamed up details like refillable packaging and a brush that doesn't break.
Marketing doesn't have to rely on making people feel bad
Ross argues that she buys things when she feels good, so she rejects the premise of shaming customers into purchases and instead bases Pattern's promise on celebrating and empowering people.
Pattern pairs functional design with cultural celebration
Ross says the products are built for curly, coily and tight-textured hair though anyone can use them, while content, hiring and team are centered on celebrating Black beauty, to dispel the myth that Black haircare is niche.
Joy is both personal identity and brand strategy
Ross says joy is her natural state and one of her superpowers, and it shapes Pattern's 'juicy and joyful' tagline and her broader mission of helping people feel comfortable in their skin.
Leadership is lonely and trusted confidants matter
Both women say top roles are isolating with no blueprint, and Ross says it's important to have people whose integrity and decision-making you trust, outside your immediate colleagues, to turn to.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI didn't join, uh, or decide to become an entrepreneur because I wanted to make money. I came because I was a consumer who wasn't seeing what I wanted.
— Tracee Ellis Ross
I believe that hair can be juicy and joyful. I believe you can live a juicy and joyful life. I believe you can have juicy and joyful friendships.
— Tracee Ellis Ross
the promise is around celebrating and empowering who people are as opposed to shaming them into buying the thing that you want them to buy.
— Tracee Ellis Ross
Dream of how you wanna make... What do you wanna contribute? What do you want people to feel when you leave the room?
— Tracee Ellis Ross
I think you've, um, held space for me to see things that I could not see for myself, and I think ultimately, and I, I imagine that a lot of you feel this way also, these roles are very isolating, and they're lonely.
— Samira Nasr
Ask ChatGPT about this episode
Get its key ideas, plus a summary of each chapter linked to that point in the video, right in your chat.
Add uListen AI to ChatGPT.
Install uListen AI in ChatGPT (opens in a new tab)Needs a ChatGPT account.Paste this prompt into a new chat.
Use uListen AI to give me this episode's key ideas and a chapter-by-chapter summary, with timestamps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iwAPRvRLk
SPEAKERS
Tracee Ellis Ross
guestActor and founder of Pattern Beauty haircare brand.
Samira Nasr
hostEditor-in-chief of Harper's Bazaar and interview moderator.
High quality AI-generated summary created from speaker-labeled transcript.