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Battle Cancer Q&A | The Lean Machines, Sonny Webster & Zack George

I recently sat down with Sonny Webster, Zack George and Leon & John from The Lean Machines for a special edition super podcast before the Battle Cancer Fitness Competition in London. Lots of listeners had submitted questions in advance via Instagram and I posed as many as I could to the boys before Sonny have to rush off to some swanky event with the Queen. Expect to learn why the boys believe Competitive Bodybuilding to be an unhealthy lifestyle, what sport they would all be focussed on if they were not lifting weights, how to make your moustache join in the middle and why Sonny sucks so bad at Double Unders. Other Things: Check out Battle Cancer: https://www.battle-cancer.co.uk Follow Zack: https://www.instagram.com/zackgeorge Follow Sonny: https://www.instagram.com/sonnywebstergb Follow The Lean Machines: https://www.instagram.com/theleanmachinesofficial - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Chris WilliamsonhostLeon (The Lean Machines)guestZack GeorgeguestSonny WebsterguestJohn (The Lean Machines)guestGuest (unclear which of the four, very short interjection)guest
Nov 5, 201828mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:21

    Battle Cancer eve: nerves, banter, and (not) wanting to run

    Chris welcomes Sonny Webster, Zack George, and Lean Machines’ Leon & John for a quick pre-event Q&A ahead of Battle Cancer. The group jokes about the workouts, team dynamics, and who’s going to suffer most on the running and carry elements.

    • Pre-competition mood check and expectations
    • Workouts are different from their usual training
    • Running and carry events get immediate complaints
    • Team banter about size, pacing, and finishing last
  2. 1:21 – 2:35

    Improving the overhead squat: no shortcuts, just positions and mobility

    A serious training question kicks off: best accessory work to improve the overhead squat. Sonny emphasizes practicing the movement itself, then layers in presses and mobility constraints that typically hold people back.

    • Behind-the-neck press in snatch grip as a key builder
    • No substitute for practicing the overhead squat itself
    • Sotts press to reinforce position and torso control
    • Ankle/calf mobility as a common limiting factor
  3. 2:35 – 4:13

    If not CrossFit or weightlifting: alternate sports picks (rugby, boxing, and more)

    The panel answers what sport they’d choose outside of CrossFit/weightlifting, leaning into their backgrounds and personalities. Choices range from rugby and boxing to snowboarding, basketball, golf, and even Formula One.

    • Sonny’s initial pick: rugby (prior experience)
    • Zack’s pick: returning to boxing with improved mindset
    • Cool-factor options: snowboarding and basketball
    • Sunny’s humorous picks: golf and Formula One
  4. 4:13 – 5:17

    Why Sonny struggles with double-unders: equipment excuses and rope chaos

    A teasing question targets Sonny’s double-under weakness despite elite lifting coordination. Sonny blames the rope, tells a story about a snapped heavy rope, and the group riffs on technique and ‘normal gravity.’

    • Double-unders as an unexpected weak link
    • Sonny blames equipment and prefers a heavier rope
    • A friend snapping the rope becomes the origin story
    • Comedic breakdown of timing and technique attempts
  5. 5:17 – 7:44

    Training vs relationships: supportive partners, insecurity, and athlete schedules

    The conversation turns to navigating relationships when training is a major life priority. They discuss choosing supportive partners, the reality of sport coming first at times, and how shared athletic lifestyles can reduce friction.

    • Supportive partners don’t need to share the same hobby
    • Friction can come from insecurity or misunderstanding
    • Top-level sport often means the partner comes ‘second’ sometimes
    • Dating another athlete can make demands easier to understand
  6. 7:44 – 9:08

    How to hit a PR: warmups, mindset, and the power of gym atmosphere

    They break down what goes into attacking a new personal record, including warmup habits and the psychology of commitment. A recurring theme is that PRs often happen around the right people, music, and energy in the room.

    • Mindset: decide you’re going to PR before lifting
    • Atmosphere matters—training partners elevate performance
    • Confidence and doubt show up as ‘weak points’ mid-lift
    • Training with stronger people reduces intimidation
  7. 9:08 – 11:12

    Sonny’s legendary resilience: PR stories, minimal sleep, and hangover lifting

    Chris and the group marvel at Sonny’s ability to lift heavy under less-than-ideal conditions. Stories include cold heavy attempts, spontaneous PR sessions, and showing up after big nights out still hitting major numbers.

    • Examples of unusually short or unconventional warmups
    • Sonny’s lifting seems resilient to fatigue and poor recovery
    • Anecdotes from nights out followed by heavy snatches
    • The psychological component of feeling ‘ready’ to lift
  8. 11:12 – 13:03

    Does powerlifting help weightlifting? Strength vs mobility and movement specificity

    They debate crossover between powerlifting and Olympic lifting, agreeing strength can help but mobility and full-range movement patterns are critical. Age, training history, and how someone powerlifts (raw vs equipped, ROM depth) influence carryover.

    • General strength (squats/pulls/deadlifts) can provide a base
    • Bench pressing may hinder overhead positions for many lifters
    • Mobility can be the bottleneck despite huge deadlift numbers
    • Crossover depends on age, stiffness, and training style/ROM
  9. 13:03 – 13:39

    From moustaches to shaved toes: grooming myths and a high-school confession

    A jokey question about facial hair turns into a riff on shaving myths and awkward grooming decisions. Zack tells a high-school story about shaving his toes to impress a girl and the ‘it grows back thicker’ fear.

    • Facial hair connectivity as a comedic ‘assistance exercise’ topic
    • Schoolyard myth: shaving makes hair grow back thicker
    • Zack’s toe-shaving story and unintended consequences
    • Group banter on body hair and insecurity
  10. 13:39 – 15:13

    The Lean Machines’ naked photoshoot story (and Leon’s trimming mishap)

    John recounts their early Attitude Magazine shoot, intended to be a tasteful nude setup—but it became memorable for Leon’s overzealous trimming. The story escalates into a vivid, comedic retelling of the on-set moment and aftermath.

    • Attitude Magazine shoot for sexual health awareness
    • Expectation vs reality: fully naked setup
    • Leon’s trimming went too far, creating a ‘Hitler moustache’ effect
    • How the mishap evolved and whether it ‘grew back’
  11. 15:13 – 16:26

    Is 18 too late to start weightlifting? Goals, backgrounds, and realistic ceilings

    They address a common concern: starting Olympic lifting at 18. The answer depends on the goal—elite international level may be harder, but strong progress is possible, especially with a sporting background and sensible coaching.

    • Starting at 18 can be ‘late’ for top-tier competition, but not impossible
    • Examples of late starters reaching high levels (e.g., Commonwealth)
    • Transfer from other sports can accelerate progress
    • Zack’s progress used as a case study for late improvement
  12. 16:26 – 21:30

    Eating big, staying performance-ready: calories, ‘cheat meals,’ and sustainable dieting

    Food talk turns into calorie numbers, sweet tooth stories, and how they approach dieting without rigid ‘cheat meal’ rules. They advocate flexible consistency: mostly whole foods, planned indulgences, and habit-based calorie control.

    • Sonny’s intake and maintenance approach; gaining weight easily
    • No ‘off-limits’ foods—avoid shame/negative loops
    • 80/20 approach: mostly nutrient-dense foods, some flexibility
    • Calorie ‘negotiation’ across the day for social events
  13. 21:30 – 23:42

    Bodybuilding culture and mental health: extremes, identity, and social media pressure

    They critique bodybuilding’s prep/post-show cycle and how it can distort relationships with food and self-image. The discussion broadens into how social media normalizes unhealthy extremes and fuels constant comparison to a single peak photo.

    • Post-prep rebound and long-term food anxiety
    • Judged aesthetics can harm self-worth and identity
    • Stage leanness is often unsustainable and reinforces comparison
    • Social media amplifies extremes as ‘normal’ and drives unhappiness
  14. 23:42 – 27:11

    Why CrossFit wins people over: high barrier, endless progressions, and community

    They discuss CrossFit’s intimidation factor (complex skills) but argue its breadth guarantees everyone has strengths and weaknesses. The strongest selling point becomes community: welcoming boxes, shared progression, and a global ‘drop-in’ culture.

    • People avoid activities they’re bad at—CrossFit looks daunting
    • Progressions create ‘mini wins’ instead of all-or-nothing
    • Community contrasts with commercial gym competitiveness
    • CrossFit’s global consistency enables easy travel drop-ins
  15. 27:11 – 28:28

    Wrap-up before Battle Cancer: more banter, team superlatives, and goodbye

    The episode closes with more jokes about Sunny’s luxury lifestyle, the team’s size, chafed legs, and awkward over-and-unders. Chris thanks the group and wishes them luck, teasing that viewers will already know the result when it airs.

    • Final jokes about Sunny’s ‘Richard Branson’ lifestyle
    • Claims of heaviest team, most chafed legs, funniest to watch
    • Over-and-unders and piggyback comedy predictions
    • Thanks, good luck, and sign-off/outro singing

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