Catch Up 106 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 209

Chris Williamson 0:00 As much as I don't like Gary Vaynerchuk and I'm certain that he's going to die young because he doesn't sleep enough, he, uh ... which, like, tell me that's not the truth, by the way.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 0:08 No, he, he looks so tired.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 0:10 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 0:10 Like, he's just shot.

Chris Williamson 0:11 Constantly (censored) .

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 0:12 So in terms of comprehending a trillion compared to a million, a million seconds is 11 days, a trillion seconds is 36,000 years.

Chris Williamson 0:20 What's your thoughts on people's criticisms about Bezos becoming the first trillionaire?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 0:25 I mean, that, well, as we've just discussed, is mental.

Chris Williamson 0:29 Sans one Achilles since the last time that you spoke to you him.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 0:32 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 0:32 I made a meal of it, I think he would say. By way of scaling the what happened question, I can just say it once and then link people to this podcast, so ... Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by Johnny and Yusef from propanefitness.com.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 0:50 Do you ever say, "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls?"

Chris Williamson 0:52 Uh, no, because this is an adult show for adult people. But we're also joined by-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 0:57 You kicked the explicit rating.

Chris Williamson 0:58 Yeah, yeah, of course it is. That's the number one reason. Not having the explicit rating, correct, is the number one reason shows get taken down off the Apple Podcasts store.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:06 Wow.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:07 Just accidentally slip in a, a C-bomb or something and then-

Chris Williamson 1:10 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:10 ... that's it, done.

Chris Williamson 1:11 Oh, this is made for children. Um, Johnny's brought his dog. Johnny, can we see your dog? Can we see Dexter? Look at you.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:19 All black features.

Chris Williamson 1:21 Yeah, he is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:21 Can't see his face until he's looking to the side and then you're like, "Oh right, that's his face."

Chris Williamson 1:24 That's a dog.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:26 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:26 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:26 There he is.

Chris Williamson 1:27 You're right, it is cinnamon.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:29 It is cinnamon.

Chris Williamson 1:30 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:31 How's everyone doing?

Chris Williamson 1:33 Yeah, I'm okay. I'm sans, sans one Achilles since the last time that you spoke to you him.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:39 Which is a-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:40 Big event.

Chris Williamson 1:41 It's a, it was, it was, uh, impressive, yeah. I made a, I made a meal of it, I think he would say.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:49 It's impressive how you felt at the time? I imagine not.

Chris Williamson 1:51 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:52 You were like lying on the ground going, "Fair enough."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:54 I was in full cricket whites.

Chris Williamson 1:57 In full cricket whites.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:58 I think that's the key factor.

Chris Williamson 1:59 Yeah. So I might as well, by way of scaling what happ- the what happened question, I can just say it once and then link people to this podcast. So-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 2:09 Nice.

Chris Williamson 2:09 ... I decided to start playing cricket again after 12 years of absence. Um, went and netted at a local team, got picked, played last weekend, um, went into bat, and was playing pretty well, 20 not out, couple of boundaries. Only one, only one chance that I, that I gave away. Pretty difficult, but it was all right. Set off for a run, pushed off with my right foot, and, um, just felt like I'd been shot in the back of the leg, but no pain, which is like pretty weird. Uh, set off, left foot fine, then went to put my right foot down and it was just like stepping on like a wobble board. Basically couldn't support my weight. Thought, "I think I've snapped my Achilles." Then hit the deck, then the bastards that I was playing against ran me out. So as I was on the floor with a snapped Achilles, they decided to run me out as opposed to just leaving me be (laughs) , which I was like, "Uh, uh, come on, mate. I don't, uh, missing, I've lost a lot of blood here, uh, missing an Achilles-"

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:11 Did you-

Chris Williamson 3:11 "... missing an Achilles here." Um, then ended up at the RVI. Dad took me to the RVI. Um, but no, the lack of pain was kind of quite weird.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:22 Could you walk, walk off though? Or do you have to get like-

Chris Williamson 3:25 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:25 ... did you get stretchered off?

Chris Williamson 3:26 Um, like two arm, you know, like arm around either player?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:29 There's not like an on, an on-hand doctor or physio or something there?

Chris Williamson 3:34 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:34 No?

Chris Williamson 3:34 The onl- the closest doctor was Dr. Yusef Smith, um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:38 Lescone.

Chris Williamson 3:39 The, the le scob, yeah. Um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:42 Dr. Scob. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:44 I have a question.

Chris Williamson 3:45 Hit me.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 3:47 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 3:48 What's the sensation of being shot without the pain?

Chris Williamson 3:51 So like a, uh, uh, m- maybe more accurate would be like if someone took a baseball bat to the back of your leg. So it's like a jolt, it's like a percussion, uh, sort of-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:01 There's impact.

Chris Williamson 4:02 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:02 Sensation of impact.

Chris Williamson 4:03 Yeah. Because it is like-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:04 Did you hear anything?

Chris Williamson 4:06 No, but I was, everyone was shouting at the same time because as you hit a run, you have to call to the other player.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:11 Run a bit like (yells) .

Chris Williamson 4:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:14 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 4:14 Um, I'm pretty certain that it usually makes a, a fairly big crack when it happens, um, which is-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:20 Quite strong, ain't it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:21 Quite handy.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 4:21 It makes, you could hang a car off it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:25 Odd. My favorite thing about the whole episode is, is turning up to hospital and just seeing someone in full cricket whites and thinking, "Oh, that's not Chris."

Chris Williamson 4:34 Oh, lads.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 4:34 And then slowly, "Oh, here we go."

Chris Williamson 4:37 Well, that was the thing. Like if you play pretty much any other sport, tennis, football, you turn up and you're in shorts, it's kind of easy, it's at least slightly inconspicuous, maybe he just dresses like that. But like full, full cricket whites, um, which were brand new because my old ones were from when I was like 20 years old. So I had to get cut out of the cricket whites once I had the boot on, I had to get cut out of a, uh, uh, a brand new set of socks to get to my foot, 'cause my foot had swollen up. It was a big, a big elephant foot.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:09 It's a fat foot.

Chris Williamson 5:10 Yeah, very boggy.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:12 Boggy.

Chris Williamson 5:13 Very, how's the boggy? Uh, so yeah, just went in-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:16 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:16 ... um, a, a lady looked at me and went, "Oh, uh, you've, it's gone that." Um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:24 Gone that. Crackers, crackers you.

Chris Williamson 5:25 Crackers you. And that was it. Um, I was cinnamon from there on. They put me in a boot and, uh, sent me home.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:31 So if you squeeze where your Achilles tendon should be-

Chris Williamson 5:34 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 5:35 ... do you just feel, you just pinch skin?

Chris Williamson 5:37 How do you describe, 'cause you did that.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:39 The, that's the test. So, um, you have someone have their, their shin flat and you squeeze their calf, and if the foot goes, then the Achilles is attached. And if you squeeze the calf and the foot's just, then bad news.

Chris Williamson 5:55 Safe foot. Yeah. Then it's cinnamon. Um, but yeah, so the-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 5:58 We're gonna have to explain the cinnamon thing.

Chris Williamson 6:00 It's just a video. So Dean, can you make the "here I come, I am cinnamon" clip appear right now, please?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 6:07 Here I come, I am cinnamon.... video. Video! Here I come, I am cinnamon!

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:15 Is it, is it not a reference to something though? Is that not why the kid shouts it? I feel like he's- It's a- ... not just making it up. I think so.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 6:22 So, it's a second-level thing. Is it copyrightable to include "Here I come, I am cinnamon" in a podcast? I mean, Joe Rogan does it all the time, so.

Chris Williamson 6:30 Don't care. Don't care.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:30 Does he say, "Here I come, I am cinnamon" in a, in a podcast? I feel like he doesn't.

Chris Williamson 6:34 I don't think so.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 6:34 No. (laughs) He gets Jamie to pull up some-

Chris Williamson 6:37 It's just a fat-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:38 Oh, right.

Chris Williamson 6:38 It's a fat, it's a fat ginger German child running through a, a gym room-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:43 Shouting.

Chris Williamson 6:43 ... shouting-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 6:43 Running at someone.

Chris Williamson 6:45 ... "Here I come, I am cinnamon." Uh, so yeah. That was-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 6:47 Yeah, it's like that woman.

Chris Williamson 6:47 Th- that was it. But it's the lack of pain, man. Like the, the fact that there was no pain and everyone ... Like a lot of people say it when it happens. Um, one of my buddies was playing badminton and snapped his and people didn't ... They, they didn't take him to the hospital or he had to like convince them that something had happened because he was so calm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:04 Right.

Chris Williamson 7:05 Like, so he'd snapped his Achilles. "Yeah, no, n- no. I'm, I'm being s- Patricia, I'm being serious." Um, and then no one wanted to listen to him because he was just like ... Oh, if you've snapped your Achilles you'd be in pain. But if ... For anyone who's considering snapping an Achilles, your pain peaks at about four out of 10 (laughs) and I'm pretty sure that that was because of the angle my foot was at in the car on the way to the RVI. Like, other than that, it was like three out-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 7:31 ... three or two out of 10.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:31 It's like the video (laughs) , the video of the car accident and the guy gets out and goes, "I'm, I'm uninjured. I'm uninjured." And also just extremely calm. Like his car's ... Is his car not on its side? And he's just fucking calm.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 7:44 It's the one in the UK, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:45 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 7:45 I think I've seen that.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 7:46 Yeah. "I'm no anger. I'm uninjured."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 7:49 What? (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 7:49 Are you okay?

Chris Williamson 7:50 What was that video that went viral last year? Was it like Jess Glynne?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 7:55 No. Who is your dad?

Chris Williamson 7:56 No, the one where a guy, a, a lorry was driving down the motorway-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:00 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 8:01 ... and it side-swiped that-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:02 Oh, Ellie-

Chris Williamson 8:03 Ellie Goulding.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:04 Ellie Goulding.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:04 Goulding.

Chris Williamson 8:04 And Ellie Goulding's there and she's like, "Don't worry. I'll sing us back to health." Like ... (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:09 Is that what she said?

Chris Williamson 8:10 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:11 Oh right. Okay. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:13 Imagine. (laughs) Cringiest thing she could ever say.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 8:15 Yeah, I know. She rocks up in a big Range Rover but there's just like this guy driving down the motorway.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:19 Oh yeah, 'cause he's just being pushed by a lorry.

Chris Williamson 8:21 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:22 He's just sat there like ...

Chris Williamson 8:23 And the lorry can't see because of the ... how sheer the drop is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:26 Well, 'cause it ... If you're in the car, there'd be initial fear, then anger, then just apathy.

Chris Williamson 8:32 Irritation.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:32 Eventually, when you realize there's nothing you can do about it-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:34 I didn't believe the lorry driver 'cause he got out-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:36 ... because now I did know it was there.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:38 ... and was like, "Oh, I didn't even see it."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 8:40 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:40 "I didn't know." And you're like, "Hmm."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:42 But equally-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:42 He looks very much like Dave Benson ... What's he called? Dave Benson Jennings or something, the one who did, yeah, Get Your Own Back and dumped people in the gunge and stuff.

Chris Williamson 8:51 I didn't notice that at all.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 8:53 Get your own back! (laughs)

Chris Williamson 8:54 How, how is that-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 8:55 If I just, if I just completely blunder there.

Chris Williamson 8:55 That's a reference, that's a reference from like 1995 that you've pulled out there.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:00 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:00 It's the last TV show I've seen.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:01 I remember Get Your Own Back.

Chris Williamson 9:02 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:04 I think he came to my freshers' week, that guy, and did like-

Chris Williamson 9:08 Wow.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:08 ... a student version of Get Your Own Back where everyone got gunged.

Chris Williamson 9:11 Did he dunk, did he-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 9:11 ... gunk someone?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:12 I wouldn't be surprised if Chris got him. Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:14 Yeah, it'd be the sort of thing-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:15 He got the, um, the-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:16 ... the sort of person you'd book, Chris.

Chris Williamson 9:17 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:17 You got the Wheels Don't Read it didn't you? Got No Fans?

Chris Williamson 9:20 No. No, we didn't. We didn't get him.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:21 Oh.

Chris Williamson 9:21 That was someone else. We got Gok Wan, we got, um, The Beast.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:25 Paul Chuckle?

Chris Williamson 9:27 No. I, so I refused to book the Chuckle Brother. Like, I just thought it was-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:31 Oh yeah, 'cause it's too sad, wasn't it?

Chris Williamson 9:32 It was so sad.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:33 Very sad.

Chris Williamson 9:33 Try and tell me that you used to be able to book the Chuckle Brothers and now you book the Brother, and it's like, it's just, it's just constantly reminding him of his best mate's death. Like, I don't want to do that.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 9:45 Yeah, true. And like everyone who goes in the club goes, "Oh, well what happened to Barry?" "Oh, he's died." "Oh."

Chris Williamson 9:50 "Oh."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:50 Yeah, and it just becomes like a-

Chris Williamson 9:52 "Let's get a selfie, mate."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:53 ... everyone's like ... Everyone's been drinking for, all day and then they end up, end up in this like really sad scenario in a club where-

Chris Williamson 9:58 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 9:59 ... everyone like remembers watching it on TV and how it'll never be the same again and ...

Chris Williamson 10:02 Nah, not about that.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:03 And they're all going, "To me ... Oh."

Chris Williamson 10:07 (laughs) That's why, that's why I didn't want to do it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:12 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:12 All right.

Chris Williamson 10:12 So, we went with, we went with Gok Wan and Phil Mitchell from EastEnders.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:16 Oh, nice.

Chris Williamson 10:17 Phil Mitchell was good fun.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:18 What do these people do when you book them?

Chris Williamson 10:20 Pho- photos mostly. Gok Wan is a DJ and now you'd think, um, fashionista guy, gay, um, Asian. You would just think it's like Spice Girls and Vengaboys all night long. You'd just think it's like gay-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:35 I bet it's like techno.

Chris Williamson 10:36 It was like really good house music. Like he's a-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:40 Really?

Chris Williamson 10:40 ... he's a proper DJ, um, which I was super impressed by.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:45 That's surprising.

Chris Williamson 10:45 Yeah, yeah. I know.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:46 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:46 I know.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:46 He's, yeah. 'Cause like if, if he's not basic enough to be like Spice Girls and Vengaboys, like he's definitely a very-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 10:54 Quite high level guy.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 10:55 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 10:55 Yeah. He's, he's two orders of, of, uh, uh, magnitude down from whatever you thought. So yeah, that was it. That was it. Got in, got in hospital, um, and then there was some weird stuff. So I've been reached out by like tons and tons of people. And again, this is not the Achilles podcast, but just, it may happen to you, it may happen to your, like someone that you know and it's a pretty common injury. Like I've had four people message this week since Saturday saying that they've ruptured their Achilles, um, like-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 11:23 What? That they've ruptured it since Saturday?

Chris Williamson 11:24 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:24 Since they saw that you ...

Chris Williamson 11:25 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 11:26 Gosh.

Chris Williamson 11:26 And that's ... Two of them are in ... One was in Sunderland and one was in the RVI like on Tuesday. Um, so there's this new conservative management approach which is what I got Yusuf to do a literary review. Like I tried to get Yusuf to do as, as comprehensive a review of all of the material he could get from British Medical Journal under the table while I was speaking to the doctor. So he's like, "Right, mate. So do you fancy, uh, should we operate or do you want to go for conservative management?" And I'm like, "Yusuf can you just check what is the long-term athletic function outcomes from a-"

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 12:00 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 12:02 Um-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 12:03 (clicking)

Chris Williamson 12:03 Yeah, yeah. (clicking) I've, I've started active campaigns. So-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 12:06 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 12:08 (laughs) How do I know? Um-So, uh, long, long story short, at the moment there's a trial going on to see if they can not open people up and they can do it just by pushing your foot down like a ballerina toe and allowing the ends of the tendon to grow back together naturally.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 12:24 Right.

Chris Williamson 12:25 Um, long story short, I haven't found many people that have gone conservative management and don't have a caveat to their recovery. So most people have said, "It's fine, but, um, I have loss of function, loss of sensation, loss of mobility." Whereas, like, Kobe Bryant, operated on, David Beckham, operated on, everyone else that I know that's a higher-end athlete, operated on, and none of them have caveats to their recovery.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 12:50 Right.

Chris Williamson 12:50 So, like, there's some risks with surgery. Obviously there'll be open wounds. There's, like, blood thinners that I need to take for six weeks in case I get a blood clot. Uh, like other basic pieces.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:04 Is it full anesthetic or is it local or?

Chris Williamson 13:07 Oh, no. So in the, in the side of the knee, uh, numb the whole leg.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 13:12 Right.

Chris Williamson 13:12 Then local anesthetic. Then bottle of morphine to take home with me, um, which is hopefully not going to be needed, but might as well take it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:24 I think if you're given permission to, to take morphine-

Chris Williamson 13:26 Just have a crack, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:28 ... you're just like... Well, like, you don't, you don't go, "Oh, no, no. That's irresponsible."

Chris Williamson 13:31 Yeah. Well, that's, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:32 You think, like, "A doctor's told me to do this, so."

Chris Williamson 13:35 So I got a message off a guy in America and he was talking about how he was using Tylenol and one of those other, like, real popular opiates that are used by middle-aged women. Um, and he, he, it was all these like, "Oh, I had Tylenol every eight hours and this, ostranezol every four hours."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 13:54 Americans love painkillers, though.

Chris Williamson 13:56 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 13:57 They absolutely love-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 13:57 That's different in, that's different in Nitol, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 14:00 Yes, sadly.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:01 Just to clarify. Right. It's not the same thing.

Chris Williamson 14:02 Um, and then, um, I w- a- and then I was told, "Well, you're gonna get a small bottle of morphine to take home with you." I was like, hang on, why is America in the 21st century and I'm stuck in World War I? Like, what's going on here? (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:13 Just profit, isn't it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:14 But they have, like, an opiate epidemic or opioid epidemic. Like, they're using Oxy... giving people oxycodone to take home, like, just willy-nilly.

Chris Williamson 14:21 That's it. That's what, that's what he said. That's, that was the drug.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:25 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 14:25 Are they not called different things in the US 'cause it's, like, the brand that they're called?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:29 Yeah, it's like OxyContin or something. But-

Chris Williamson 14:31 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:31 ... um, I've had oxycodone after my ball surgery and it is very strong.

Chris Williamson 14:38 What's, what's the sensation? (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:39 (laughs) Like if you, have you ever seen David after the dentist? Is the... It's a, so many viral video references today. But it's this kid who's come out of the dentist and he's, um, he's, like, rolling his head around in the back of the car and just, like, just shit talking his dad. And his dad-

Chris Williamson 14:58 (laughs) He's just been given strong pain medication.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 14:59 Yeah. (laughs) And his dad's just like... Just filming him.

Chris Williamson 15:04 Videoing him.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 15:04 And it was like that. Like, I was just smack talking to the nurses, like...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:11 I would honestly-

Chris Williamson 15:13 I would pay-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:13 I would love to see that footage.

Chris Williamson 15:15 ... so much money.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:15 I think that would be the funniest thing 'cause you've just had ball surgery and you're just being unpleasant to people.

Chris Williamson 15:22 "Listen, bruv, I'll wreck you yet. I'll get you, man."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 15:25 No, I, to be fair, I don't think it was, I, I wasn't being aggressive with them. I was, um, just very delirious.

Chris Williamson 15:31 I'm fucking telling you, man.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:35 This, you should have a full-time cameraman following you around 'cause the stuff that would get captured would be priceless.

Chris Williamson 15:43 That's Gary V. Become Gary V and make-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 15:46 He must have a ful- ... Oh, you don't-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:47 Yeah, I think he does before DRock is ...

Chris Williamson 15:49 All that happens, all that Gary V's content is-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 15:52 He just lives his life.

Chris Williamson 15:52 ... is just him existing, being Gary Vaynerchuk-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 15:55 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:55 ... and him having a man with a lens pointed at him all the time.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 15:59 Probably, probably quite a low-effort life if you're just doing what you do normally.

Chris Williamson 16:03 Oh, hugely. There's, there's, as much as I don't like Gary Vaynerchuk and I'm certain that he's gonna die young because he doesn't sleep enough, like, he, uh ... Which, like, tell me that's not the truth, by the way.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 16:13 No, he, he looks so tired. Yeah. Like, he's just shot.

Chris Williamson 16:16 Constantly fucked. Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 16:17 So 'cause I, I'd never seen any of his content before until, like, you asked about him the other day. Or, uh, George asked about him, and, um, he just happened to be live. And I quickly went onto the live and he sat there on Skype just like ...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:29 Oh, really?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 16:30 I was just like, "Man, this guy needs to go and get some sleep." He's too busy grinding.

Chris Williamson 16:35 Using video.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:35 George shent- sent a vid- shared a video that's like a parody of-

Chris Williamson 16:38 Yeah, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:38 ... that guy who says parodying himself.

Chris Williamson 16:39 Content.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:40 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 16:41 It's the content.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:42 Like, I passed up an Uber twice-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 16:44 He does, he does all of these people.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:44 ... and I don't even, I barely even tell anyone about it. But I passed up an Uber twice.

Chris Williamson 16:47 (laughs) I could've turned $25,000 into 300 million, so-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 16:53 But I don't even care.

Chris Williamson 16:54 I don't even care.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 16:56 Because of the content.

Chris Williamson 16:56 Um, but yeah, so, like, Gary Vaynerchuk, I didn't realize this, but all of his books, he just sits in a room with a ghostwriter for, like, a day and just talks at him. Then the ghostwriter goes away with 10 hours of Gary Vaynerchuk recording and converts it into a book.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:12 Books it. Have you ever read any of his books?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 17:14 That's impressive. That's really impressive.

Chris Williamson 17:15 I've got a copy of Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook down there, uh, but no, I haven't read it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:23 I've read, I think it's called Crush It.

Chris Williamson 17:25 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:26 Which was quite, it was quite a tough read.

Chris Williamson 17:30 Why?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 17:32 Uh, like, it's good, but it's just, it is just a bit like, just do loads of stuff on the internet for a very long time and eventually you'll, like, earn an all right living from it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 17:44 So something that I would pay to subscribe to is Johnny Watson book reviews because Johnny's threshold for what is a useful book is so high-

Chris Williamson 17:53 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 17:53 ... that it's fun. So, like, the, his review of the Grant Cardone 10X Rule (laughs) he's gonna spit out his drink.

Chris Williamson 18:00 What was that? I haven't heard this one.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:04 It's just ... So have you, have you ever read The 10X Rule by Grant Cardone?

Chris Williamson 18:09 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:11 It's basically just, like-... 10X everything that you think about. So like if you think about something, it, like, 10Xs.

Chris Williamson 18:18 What's that mean?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:19 And the whole thing of like... Well, precisely.

Chris Williamson 18:24 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:24 And this, this whole thing of, like, taking, taking massive action. I... No one's ever been able to explain how that's distinct from just completing a task.

Chris Williamson 18:34 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:35 Like, why is that diff- why is that any different? Is it just that it's a big, important task, therefore the action's massive?

Chris Williamson 18:43 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:43 It's weird.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 18:43 Like, I'm a- we're already doing action.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:45 Yeah, everyone's already just-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 18:47 Can't do the action any faster.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:47 ... completing tasks all day, so it's just a case of picking the right ones to do, but everyone knows that already.

Chris Williamson 18:52 Isn't it in-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 18:52 Just because it makes you feel hardcore and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:55 Mm-hmm.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 18:55 ... you're grinding.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:56 Like an entrepreneur.

Chris Williamson 18:57 Isn't it interesting, like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 18:57 As long as you're doing content about it.

Chris Williamson 18:58 ... when you've got, when you've got an American that does that, they come out like someone like Grant Cardone?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 19:05 But if it was someone from the UK that was doing that, they'd come out like... Who's that brummy real estate trader?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:13 Th- yeah, I was just thinking that. The property guy.

Chris Williamson 19:15 Yeah. He was on, um, Mike Winnet's show. Sam something.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:19 Samuel Leeds?

Chris Williamson 19:20 Samuel Leeds.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:21 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 19:21 Samuel Leeds, like "Alrigh', Tom. Samuel Leeds."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:24 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:25 Yep.

Chris Williamson 19:25 That's it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:26 "I'm gonna buy some property today."

Chris Williamson 19:28 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:28 Property.

Chris Williamson 19:28 (laughs) That's it. That's him.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:31 That's a very good accent.

Chris Williamson 19:32 That's the equivalent.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:34 I've never... I see him pop up on YouTube quite a bit. I always assume that it's because Yusuf watches him secretly. It's a bit of a secret passion.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:40 Yeah, he's, he's good. He's, he's a bit... Oh, you'd hate his accounting knowledge though, his accounting advice. Sometimes, you know, "Oh, I'm worrying about tax."

Chris Williamson 19:47 At least he's not an accountant.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:47 Well, that's it, and he just gives accounting advice.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:50 Oh, right.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:50 And it's very like, "Ooh, some people can't-"

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 19:52 But if you're not a... Ironically, if you're not a chartered accountant, you can just give accounting advice and there's no recourse. Like who's gonna... What's, what's gonna happen?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 19:59 It's the same, same with medical advice. Like there's no, there's no medical body to be struck off from if you're just-

Chris Williamson 20:04 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:04 ... some biohacking-

Chris Williamson 20:05 (laughs) You're not, you're not a doctor.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:06 ... nutter that's just... Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:09 It's weird that, isn't it? That it's-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:11 That... Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:11 Unless you're actually qualified to give the advice, it's a free for all. So anybody can give the advice online, apart from the people who are qualified to.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:19 And they're all like, "Oh, I'm not, I'm not stepping back that far."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:21 "Oh, I'm not getting involved in this bit."

Chris Williamson 20:21 "Fucking don't do that, mate. Nah. I am not your accountant."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:26 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 20:27 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:27 There's definitely a lesson in there.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:32 So they should be switched and you shouldn't be allowed to give medical advice online?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:36 Well, just that taking advice online is a, like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:40 Nightmare.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 20:41 Yeah. Like what... You know, if someone's giving advice online, like, what's their agenda?

Chris Williamson 20:45 Very fraught.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:46 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 20:47 Very fraught. But then-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:48 You've both seen... Just on the Grant Cardone, you've both seen the Jordan Belfort/Grant Cardone interview?

Chris Williamson 20:54 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 20:54 If anyone's got, like, 90 minutes free and thinks, like, "I'd like to watch a bit of YouTube," it's just some of the most, like, awkward, uncomfortable...

Chris Williamson 21:03 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:03 Two fairly big names, um, just, he's just sat there, like someone's going to really get angry with you.

Chris Williamson 21:11 I thought, I thought Grant came out of that really badly.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:14 Like Jordan, Jordan's supposed to be this... Jordan has lived the life that Grant is pretending to live, like this big dick, high money, status, all the birds, all the drugs, this sort of thing.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 21:26 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 21:28 Um, and Grant just kept trying to one-up him. And to his credit, Jordan just played the host role. He was like, "Yeah, oh, okay, okay, okay." Like, but try and ask a question, try and tie him down to a point. And then like you said, Grant, I can kind of see, reflecting on that interview, I can now guess what the book's about because it's, it's very, um...

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 21:49 Substanceless. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 21:50 Yeah. Have you seen those, like those fake, um, martial arts masters that do, like, the Touch of Death-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 21:56 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:56 ... and then people-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 21:57 Yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 21:57 ... like five people fall down on the other side of the room? It's, it's kind of a little bit like that. And then putting him in a room with Wolf of Wall Street was like when you see those guys go in the ring with a UFC fighter-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:09 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 22:09 ... and they just get their face caved in.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 22:11 There's a huge cult following behind these people, 'cause even the students of them, it's not like they're paid to believe it, but they really buy into the whole thing, like, "Oh, this is the guru, this is the master," and they, and then they defend him from... And if, and if there is a fight, they go, "Oh, it's because of the bad energy in the room and it disrupted the, like, conduction of the waves," and...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:29 But have you ever... He does, like, 10X, 10X conferences that are huge, that are done in stadiums in the US, and he fills, like, football stadiums with people. And it's a big, like... I think he had Floyd Mayweather there-

Chris Williamson 22:41 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:42 ... last time.

Chris Williamson 22:42 Yeah. I've seen him go, go on stage with, with him. Great man.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 22:45 Yeah. But it, it's just when Jordan asks him about, like, "How does, like, Cardone Capital work?" And he just doesn't really answer the question. Or like, "How do you sell?" And he just doesn't, also doesn't really answer the que-... And then Grant just accuse him o- a- accuses him of being on drugs, and that's just the thing that he does then.

Chris Williamson 23:01 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:01 Like, "Oh, well, you were, you were on drugs, so obviously it worked for you." It's like, he has had a film made about him where Leonardo DiCaprio played him.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 23:09 It's like a military fighter jet.

Chris Williamson 23:10 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 23:10 And like a, a plane, like a, a Boeing plane that someone's just painted, like, dark green.

Chris Williamson 23:16 (laughs) Yeah, it is. (laughs) Oh, man. I don't know. It's weird, right? Because these people, unless someone brings them down to earth, they're just gonna con- be able to continue floating through life, presuming that everything's fine. And maybe everything is fine. Maybe, maybe Grant Cardone isn't doing anything wrong, but it kind of feels like he's a bit of a dick.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:39 It's hard to say, isn't it? It's hard to say whether any company is or isn't doing anything wrong, 'cause people have strong op-... Like on Amazon, for example, people have opinions that Amazon are doing things that are wrong.

Chris Williamson 23:48 Mm-hmm.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 23:49 That, like, they under-underprice things with, like, their white label products and all that sort of stuff.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 23:53 So yeah. Like the... And the people who are losing with Amazon are not the consumers there, it's more the, the other suppliers.

Chris Williamson 23:58 Mm-hmm.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 23:59 But with Grant Cardone, I think the people who are losing, based on Mike Winnet's experiments...

Chris Williamson 24:04 (clears throat) Mm-hmm.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:05 Chris, you spoke to him, didn't you, on, on the podcast a while ago?

Chris Williamson 24:07 Yes.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:08 Um, he, he just goes and buys all these, like, make money online schemes and just sees if they work. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 24:16 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:16 And it's like, if someone has made a lot of money from the program-... great, you know, there's proof of concept. But if not and they're just being ascended through this pyramid scheme. 'Cause there's, there's stooges in the stadiums as well. Like he employs people to ... well, this isn't just for legal reasons, this isn't necessarily Grant Cardone. This is the person who-

Chris Williamson 24:35 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:35 ... was in the contrapreneur-

Chris Williamson 24:37 Contrapreneur video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:38 ... yeah, um, had stooges in the audience, um, being like, "Yeah, I bought this and it's been great," and, "Oh, I'll buy it too," and, "Yeah, me too." And they're all stood like in, spread around the audience. Very clever.

Chris Williamson 24:51 It's mental. I'm sure though that he must have thousands of people who are happy customers.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 24:57 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 24:57 And that's like the balance, isn't it, is it's hard to- So Mike hasn't found that, this is the, the kind of, uh, canary in the coal mine test. Mike hasn't found a single person who's made money from Grant's course who isn't a reseller of Grant's course. The only people he's found that make money from it are people selling the course on how to make money from it. Right. Which is, is a pyramid scheme. Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 25:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 25:27 Avon. Is Avon a pyramid scheme? I think the, all these things are gray areas and quite hard to, 'cause it, there was th- there was that guy who, that documentary called Betting on Zero- Yes.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 25:39 So good.

Chris Williamson 25:39 ... where that, that guy was convinced that Herbalife's a pyramid scheme so he just shorted it with his hedge fund- Do you know- ... and just held a huge short position. So you know that that guy, uh, what's his name? What was the guy's name that did it? I'm gonna have to get it up. Um- I can't remember. He's made the most money, the best trade in history this year.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 25:59 Is it on Wall Street Bets? (laughs)

Chris Williamson 26:01 No, it's not. Bill Ackman, okay? So- Oh right, yeah. Bill Ackman, um, this year decided that he was going to take out a very specific type of, um, insurance against, there it is, 2.6 billion big short. So it's called like the new big short basically. Hedge fund chief bets on stock market recovery after profiting from coronavirus sell-off. In late February, Bill Ackman began worrying about the approaching coronavirus pandemic. He was concerned that he contemplated selling all the holdings of the ingress- investment group he founded almost two decades ago, instead working from his study from home. Mr. Ackman made a series of trades designed to hedge Pershing Square's portfolio, that is, to protect it in the event of a market sell-off. Within a month, the trade had returned $2.6 billion of profits, captivating the hedge fund world and thrusting one of its most controversial stars back in the limelight. Uh, new information-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:01 What was the size of the trade?

Chris Williamson 27:03 Uh, I'm trying to see it here. It doesn't really seem to have-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:06 What a stressful life.

Chris Williamson 27:08 Got to be fairly weighty.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:08 Like turning up to your desk and being like, "Oh, I'm, I'm a bit worried about this impending coronavirus pandemic so I should maybe do something to-

Chris Williamson 27:19 Put a couple of billion on it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:19 ... hedge my portfolio against it." Yeah.

Chris Williamson 27:22 Unbelievable. Paid off though, hasn't it? Unbelievable. Uh, and it, the guy that was the person featured in The Big Short, the guy that Christian Bale- Yeah, the main guy. Yeah, that Christian Bale played.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:37 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 27:37 Um, it's basically being compared to his trade except for the fact that Bill Ackman-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:43 Michael ...

Chris Williamson 27:43 Yes.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 27:43 Michael something.

Chris Williamson 27:44 Michael someone. Um, except for the fact that Bill Ackman did his in a month. (laughs) So hold on. So he, he predicted the coronavirus and so put on a short position? No, he just saw the coronavirus in early February and predicted that the impact of the coronavirus would be bigger than most people were going to expect then kind of-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 28:03 Right. Don't we all wish we'd shorted in February?

Chris Williamson 28:07 And then gone long Tesla in February because it's four times-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 28:10 Ah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 28:10 ... the stock price now.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 28:12 (laughs) It's insane.

Chris Williamson 28:15 Why- It's why these people are billionaires, isn't it? Just white knuckle ride. Why's that, why's that happened, Sef? You, you had a, an interesting insight. You said kind of like market sentiments become decoupled from value.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 28:24 Yeah, exactly. That, that you've got companies like Tesla that have almost become separate, they've become completely decoupled from the stock price. It's no longer about the valuation of the company, it's just like well, screw it, because the whole market is completely irrational now, the index is just unpredictable, we're like, more and more people are becoming YOLO traders and sentiment is now just becoming the like, "I'm sat at home, I'm wound up, I'm just gonna start trading stuff." Like here's Elon just tweeting illegal stuff about his stock price and oh, he's on Joe Rogan, here he is smoking a joint, like he's cool, okay. And it just-

Chris Williamson 29:01 Let's bet on him.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:02 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:02 Didn't he tweet something saying like Tesla's under- underpriced at the moment in my opinion? Tesla stock price too high IMO. Too high. That was it.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:10 Christ.

Chris Williamson 29:11 Lost 20, 20% of its stock price. How is, how is he not getting ... How is there no recourse for stuff like that? Huge testicles. Well, he got taken off the board. Right, because of that tweet? No, before that tweet. But, but surely is that not still some kind of like market rigging or I, like-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:26 Well he's free now 'cause if he's off the board, he can say what he wants but people still see him as the, the head of the company.

Chris Williamson 29:31 He must be a fairly major shareholder in it though.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:35 I don't know.

Chris Williamson 29:35 Surely he must own a good percentage of it. Someone that knows, tell us, tell us how it works please in the comments below. Um- I imagine Elon knows how it works. Elon does know how it works. (laughs) But then also, I don't think that he gives one fuck. (laughs) I don't think he cares. He's just sold all his possessions because they're an attack vector. I know. That's brilliant, isn't it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 29:56 I think that's brilliant.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 29:59 He's gone full ...

Chris Williamson 30:00 When, when, when Rogan asked him that and he was like, "They're an attack vector." Like that is a man that's just on a different, he's in a different world to everybody else-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 30:09 On a separate level.

Chris Williamson 30:10 Like I have to have a Tesla for obvious reasons, for testing.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 30:14 That, that's why his opinions-

Chris Williamson 30:15 I, I'm glad that I'm renting.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 30:16 ... on aliens and living in a simulation and stuff, I'm like, "Do you know what? He's probably thought about it."

Chris Williamson 30:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 30:22 He's done the work hasn't he?

Chris Williamson 30:23 There's an interview with him where he's like ...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:25 ... he talks about how he's like frustrated that he won't probably, he probably won't be alive when we, by the time we get to Mars.

Chris Williamson 30:33 Is it gonna take that long?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:34 It's crazy to have, it's crazy to have such a, s- so many levels of Maslow's hierarchy sorted that the thing you think about on a daily basis is like building roads under the surface of the Earth to sort out congestion and getting the human race to Mars.

Chris Williamson 30:48 There's a video that's pretty cool for, if people wanna watch it, where him and Jay Leno get in a prototype of the Cybertruck. Have you seen this?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 30:57 Uh, no.

Chris Williamson 30:58 So they, in LA, Elon Musk turns up outside with a Cybertruck. Jay Leno's, it's like Jay Leno's Car Garage thing. He, he, it's kind of like Top Gear but on YouTube. It's pretty good. Um, and then they take one of the tunnels, like Boring Company tunnels, for a mile, in the Cybertruck. And then, it like, they just start in the middle of some car park and then arrive in whatever is like SpaceX's, uh, offices essentially. Take this huge elevator up by like 500 feet when they get to the end of the tunnel.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:34 And is that real, that tunnel?

Chris Williamson 31:36 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:37 Right.

Chris Williamson 31:38 Well, I mean, what do you mean?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:39 I didn't know he'd actually built any, like there is a legit tunnel that-

Chris Williamson 31:43 Actual tunnel-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:43 ... Elon Musk of.

Chris Williamson 31:44 ... which is a couple of, maybe a mile long or a couple of miles long-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:48 Right.

Chris Williamson 31:48 ... under LA. You drive in on one end and get an elevator, a car elevator up at the other end and it actually happens and it fits a Cybertruck in.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 31:58 I thought he wanted to like-

Chris Williamson 31:59 You'd have to be on their legal team, wouldn't you?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:00 Oh, God.

Chris Williamson 32:01 Like to, to get the, whatever planning permission you need t- to bore a- Apparently you don't, apparently you don't need any.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:07 'Cause it's not, it's underground, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 32:09 It's not owned by anyone. But it's like when- How far underground do you need to be where-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:12 Well, that's the question.

Chris Williamson 32:13 ... it's like- Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:13 Like do you own the ground under your house or not? I'm sure, again, someone will be able to answer this question.

Chris Williamson 32:18 I think that the, the big thing here is it's the same as everything that happens. When technology moves as quick as it does, it outstrips the ability to litigate against it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:30 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:30 It's like until someone had the ability privately to build a tunnel under LA, there didn't need to be any laws about it. It was the same as in-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:37 Well-

Chris Williamson 32:37 ... New York and Manhattan by the way.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:39 ... I suppose that's why Facebook-

Chris Williamson 32:40 But in, in Manhattan, they were selling the air space.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:44 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 32:44 So they were selling the, um, square feetage directly above properties.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:51 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 32:51 And that was like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:52 And they can do it until someone in Manhattan creates a law around it.

Chris Williamson 32:55 ... the moon in Manha- Manhattan, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 32:55 Well, like Facebook and Google and all these companies that are now like in Senate and when Zuckerberg was a couple years, uh, last year or whatever, I guess yeah, like this is them trying to catch up and then you've got all these like fuddy-duddy Senate members that are like, "So if I'm using the Facebook-"

Chris Williamson 33:11 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:11 "... do I need Wi-Fi?"

Chris Williamson 33:13 "... emailing through WhatsApp."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:15 (laughs) It was, I think some-

Chris Williamson 33:16 (coughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:16 ... of them asked Elon, um, Bezos a question, I can't remember what it was. But I just, like this guy asks Jeff Bezos a question that he's kind of put like a morning of thought into it. And you just think, "This man really, really understands the subject you're asking him about." And you're hoping to like duck and dive and catch him out. It's just not gonna work, is it?

Chris Williamson 33:37 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:37 Like what, let's just not bother with any of this 'cause when you've got like Tim Cook from Apple, Jeff Bezos, the-

Chris Williamson 33:45 Zuck.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:45 ... the Zuck and like whoe- whoever they are from Google, like who's gonna win?

Chris Williamson 33:50 Do you know, do you know when you watch a toddler play fighting with his dad on the bed?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 33:56 And the dad's on his, the dad's on his knees as well and he's like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 33:59 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 34:00 ... got his hands up kind of like this-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:01 Pretending. "Oh."

Chris Williamson 34:02 ... and, and the toddler's like, "Uh, uh," and then the dad kind of oh...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:07 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:07 ... falls over. That's exactly what it was like. There's um, a new Sam Harris. I've been really, really impressed with his podcast recently. The Can We Pull Back from the Brink? I know tons of people that I s- sent it to went and listened to it and really enjoyed it. Um, there's another one which is significantly more dark but it's about the current internet, uh, epidemic, the, the world's worst epidemic, about child pornography online.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:30 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 34:31 And basically, he, uh, he brings up this Senate meeting where he's talking about just how far lawmakers are behind the technology and what they need to be able to do. And he refers to it (laughs) , he says, "You've got this bunch of geezers up there at the top trying to cross-examine some of the smartest people on the planet when they can't even unlock their iPhones."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:53 Oh, God. I like- When you put it like that.

Chris Williamson 34:56 ... Sam's use of geezer though.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:57 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:57 It's so good, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 34:59 I can imagine him saying it as well.

Chris Williamson 35:01 It's, it's amazing.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:02 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 35:02 It's so good. Fucking geezers.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 35:06 Remember when we went to Iceland-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:07 Yeah, it's the wrong tool for the job.

Chris Williamson 35:07 ... and we saw some geezers.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:09 Actual geezers.

Chris Williamson 35:11 Yeah, it was eggy.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:12 Very eggy.

Chris Williamson 35:13 Eggy bread.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:14 Very cold.

Chris Williamson 35:15 If you can consider-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:15 It feels funny 'cause I've, there's certain like-

Chris Williamson 35:16 If you're considering going to Iceland, it's very sulfury. Everything's just quite sulfury, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:22 Smells of egg. The water in the showers smell of egg and everything's extremely expensive and extremely cold.

Chris Williamson 35:29 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:29 It's when you're sat in, it like having to crouch in an eggy shower nursing your, your meningitis and your-

Chris Williamson 35:35 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:36 ... and your shamed dog.

Chris Williamson 35:38 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:39 And your wallet. And your wallet. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 35:41 The wallet. With sensation only in one leg.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:44 You went to like the... You went to the corner shop, the cheapest thing to buy was Lucky Charms and a full Domino's pizza and that's all you can eat for... Or you go to like the local Mexican restaurant and have to like take out a payday loan to get the-

Chris Williamson 35:57 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 35:57 ... to get a side.

Chris Williamson 36:00 But then you have some salty licorice in a big packet and it's all okay. Um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:04 That's skyr yogurt, man.

Chris Williamson 36:06 It's so good, isn't it? I, have you tried that Lindal's clag?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:10 I've not. No, I've not. It looks good though. They're too, they're too, they're too small for me, Chris, that's the main objection.

Chris Williamson 36:14 No.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:14 Do they do them in larger tubs?

Chris Williamson 36:16 Uh, they do not, no. However, Arla have started to do a, an equivalent basically which is again another sort of 20% larger. But dude, the macros on it, there is some wizardry going on there.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:30 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 36:30 Or we're going to find out in two years time that they've done a VW and just been lying about the emissions.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:37 Did that happen to Quest? I think Quest, like, misstated the calories on the, on Quest Bars for a while or something-

Chris Williamson 36:43 Did they?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:43 ... because of net carbs or fiber or something like that. Um, but yeah.

Chris Williamson 36:48 There's a back door where you can actually revert the carbs as this trans fat.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 36:53 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:54 Yeah, you can, you can fill in a form and you get to claim all the calories back-

Chris Williamson 36:57 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 36:57 ... from Quest. You can submit it to, so when you go out for dinner, you're like, "Okay, you know, does this apply?" "Um, sorry, you know, that was run out." (overlapping dialogue)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:07 You put in discount code from wish.com and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:09 Yes. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:09 Yeah, it, it was a technicality on the, on the, like, oligosaccharides or something.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:13 Yeah, yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:14 They were like, "Oh, actually this is only carb if you do this, but then if you make one little break on the molecule, then it's very (overlapping dialogue)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:20 It's not carbs.

Chris Williamson 37:20 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:20 Yeah. And everyone, every- meanwhile, everyone's gaining weight because of Quest Bars. If anyone's tracking's that precise, like, 'cause the thing about tracking is it's, it's all just arbitrary anyway. As long as it-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:32 Even with weights at the gym, which is amazing. So there's a, there's a gym that, I think it was Technogym plates, where I was looking up the calibration and it's like 20% or something, or 10%. And so you're like, well, that could be 200 kilos on the bar and it could be anything from 180 to 220.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:50 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's fine when you're, like, sub 100, isn't it? You know, it's nothing if someone starts dying.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 37:56 Then it starts to really- yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 37:56 But as soon as you start getting up to some big numbers, it's like someone's gonna have a real accident here, if we're not careful.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:00 'Cause it was always the case where, like, you'd, you'd go to a different gym and you'd either hit mad PBs or you would be like, "Oh my God, I'm really struggling today." Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:10 It's on the, on the cable stuff where, like, in one gym it says 30, and then another gym it says 30 and it's, like, immovable. And you're like, surely the, the 30 doesn't mean anything. It's just an arbitrary-

Chris Williamson 38:20 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:20 It's just a relative measure on a unit stack.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:23 It's a unit.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:23 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 38:23 It's, it's only useful to the people that go to that gym.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:26 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:27 It's just a way for you to anchor how difficult that set's going to be. Oh, it's going to be-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:31 Well, I couldn't leave it without that gym, so.

Chris Williamson 38:32 I aren't able to leave it either. Um, but Goldstar's a perfect example of that, man. Like, when you've got weights that are older than some of the people that are lifting them and there's like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:40 Older than time.

Chris Williamson 38:41 ... actual chunks of matter-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:43 Yeah, yeah.

Chris Williamson 38:43 ... missing from them. It's like you're always going to feel like you're able to lift more in that gym because a 50 is like a, a 35.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 38:52 Yes.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 38:52 It's very clever. It, it's consumer lock-in. It's the same way that one password or last pass, like, keep you locked into their system because there's no export feature. So you can't then export your training data outside of that gym because you're like, "Well, it's all just relative progress to the data I've got."

Chris Williamson 39:04 (laughs) Because it's calibrated. It's calibrated.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:06 I love that that, that's obviously a big issue for you, isn't it? A big, like-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:10 Ah, well-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:10 If someone were to describe, like, describe your top fives, five worries, it would be the fact that LastPass-

Chris Williamson 39:14 Consumer lock-in.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:14 ... doesn't have an export feature. (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:17 So, Chris had an absolute, um, heinous situation with this.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 39:22 Did he?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 39:22 I tweeted one password about this. Because, and I'm not gonna make any kind of causative claims, but Chris had one password, canceled his membership, and then the next day, what happened?

Chris Williamson 39:35 You, Google must have some sort of search function where they look for phishing sites and forums that are publishing usernames and passwords that you, that tie in with what you have. Canceled last, uh, one password and it was that night, like within hours, I got a warning that 88 of my passwords were now visible online. I'm like, does it just-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:02 What, just from Chrome?

Chris Williamson 40:04 Y- so Google gives you a warning. So as you go to autofill stuff in-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:08 Oh, right.

Chris Williamson 40:09 ... it, it pops up and says, "This many of your passwords are this." Which, 88 passwords that you need to go and change manually is a task that took weeks.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:19 Do they tell you which ones?

Chris Williamson 40:20 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:20 I assume not.

Chris Williamson 40:20 Yes, yes, yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:21 Oh, they do?

Chris Williamson 40:21 Right.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:21 Okay.

Chris Williamson 40:22 Yeah. Well, otherwise, how would you know?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:24 Well, I don't know 'cause I feel like it's not really Google's responsibility.

Chris Williamson 40:27 I know. I, I couldn't believe that they had a-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:28 So for them, for them to provide that kind of service for free for no reason because one password's gone. Oh well.

Chris Williamson 40:34 Fucking Apple Watch.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:35 Apple are launching that soon.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:37 Apple What?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:37 I think it's called like Apple, Apple Watchtower or something, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:40 Watchtower.

Chris Williamson 40:42 Maybe that's what LastPass did.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:43 Tim Cook at the top with a, with a telescope.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 40:47 But yeah, that is hard.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:48 Hello down there.

Chris Williamson 40:49 Fee-fi-fo-fum. I smell the blood of an insecure password that only has three special characters in it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 40:58 Ben sent me this thing recently about the, 'cause is, is Apple valued at a trillion dollars?

Chris Williamson 41:04 Dunno.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:05 Wouldn't be surprised.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:07 Let me see if I can, I can find this.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:10 While you're finding that-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:11 Here we go, here we go and I've got it. Got it. So in terms of, in terms of comprehending a trillion compared to a million. So a million seconds is 11 days. Have you heard this before? A million seconds is 11 days. A trillion seconds is 36,000 years. And that really just, 'cause I, I think there was a time, this might be wrong, but I think there was a time where Apple had like a trillion of cash or something. Is that right?

Chris Williamson 41:41 Really?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:42 They had more cash than like the national debt.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:44 The Federal Reserve.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 41:45 Yeah, something like that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:47 Maybe that's wrong. Maybe it's not. A trillion would be-

Chris Williamson 41:48 So if someone had, if someone had just said to Tim, "Listen, mate."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:52 "Come on mate, give over," yeah.

Chris Williamson 41:55 "Can you just transfer us?"

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 41:57 Give a quid.

Chris Williamson 41:58 What's your thoughts on people's criticisms about Bezos becoming the first trillionaire?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:04 Yeah, so Apple, according to Forbes, as of July the ninth, valued at 1.6 trillion.

Chris Williamson 42:12 Which is nearly as much as what Bezos is gonna be worth in a year or two's time.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:17 He's gonna be worth a trillion.

Chris Williamson 42:18 He's gonna be the world's first trillionaire.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:22 I mean that, well, as we've just discussed, is mental. (laughs) But I think, I don't know.

Chris Williamson 42:30 A lot of people, a lot of people don't like the fact that one person holds so much wealth and then there's like a, a ton of criticisms about like Jack Dorsey gave away I think like-... 30% of his shares or 30% of his net worth or something to charities. So they're basically accusing him of not doing enough philanthropy.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:49 I think he does quite a bit of philanthropy.

Chris Williamson 42:51 Bezos?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 42:52 Yeah. There is a point-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 42:54 Like, when you've got that much, um, net worth that you can give away such a high percentage and it has no material impact on your quality of life. Like there's only so-

Chris Williamson 43:02 But is it-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 43:02 ... like a house you can get.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:03 Yeah, yeah. On that Netflix Explained thing, they talk about... I least I think it is, they talk about billionaires and how like once you crosses- c- cross a certain wealth threshold, the- you gain so much more wealth from the wealth itself that it becomes out of control. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 43:21 Just like through interest or whatever.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:23 Like once- like I think something like it was hard... it's, it's very hard for 100 million to not become 110 million. Which is, is ridiculous, isn't it? When you-

Chris Williamson 43:32 (coughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:32 ... when you... so then, then you may think that you've got a billion to not turn that into 1.5 billion over time because of just percentages and how things work ............................

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 43:40 Have you heard of that film where you hear someone has like $10 million pounds or something and they have to spend it by, in 24 hours?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:47 No.

Chris Williamson 43:47 No?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 43:48 And be- and it... like he actually has a really hard time trying to do it because of loads of like red tape and, um, people not trusting it and all this stuff and like the challenge is that he has to, he has to spend it by the end of the day. It's-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 43:59 You never think that you'll just run into like bureaucracy is- is the reason why you can't spend-

Chris Williamson 44:04 (laughs) Like, "Look man-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:05 ... your million." Like, "I promise-

Chris Williamson 44:07 "... I tell you man."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:07 "... I promise this is all right."

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 44:08 Like he can't go to the bank and withdraw any more than like a really silly amount of cash and, and it's just... I think it would be s- such an interesting ............................

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:14 Well 'cause banks wouldn't have it, would they, as liquidity. You couldn't get it in physical cash so you would have to pay for everything and you'd reach all kinds of like fraud limits and, and be on the phone of the bank constantly.

Chris Williamson 44:26 Cinema pick 'n' mix.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 44:29 You don't want to do that.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:30 That's what you buy.

Chris Williamson 44:30 That's really expensive.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 44:32 Yeah, it is, isn't it?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:33 Well then sell it on. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 44:35 No, not arbitrage it. You need to get rid of the money.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:37 Oh, so you've just got to spend it?

Chris Williamson 44:39 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:39 So your strategy, Chris, is... so I think you'd have to go across the cinemas in the UK and buy all of the pick 'n' mix-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 44:45 Here I come. I am cinema. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:47 Yeah. Just, "I am cinema, I am cinema max." So I would use- I'd use the initial million to employ as many people as I could for the day-

Chris Williamson 44:58 Yes. Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 44:58 ... and get them to go around all the cinemas in the UK-

Chris Williamson 45:01 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:01 ... and buy all of the pick 'n' mix.

Chris Williamson 45:02 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:02 And maybe you'd have to do all of... but it immediately you run into a- an operational problem which is employing that many people that quickly, making sure that they are, you know-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:12 Trained.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:12 ... operating to a certain structure.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:14 AYE, and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:14 It's not even that. It's not even that. It's like how do you ensure that like Keith in Glasgow is doing what you asked him to do?

Chris Williamson 45:21 Commission.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:21 Because if Keith, if he's... commission.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:24 You have to... but then how do you, how do you police the commission?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:26 Exactly.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:27 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:28 That's trouble.

Chris Williamson 45:28 You know that there was no one born with the name Keith in 2019?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:35 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:35 Was it Keith? I thought it was Nigel in 20-

Chris Williamson 45:38 '18.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:39 ... 2016 or somethin'. 2018.

Chris Williamson 45:40 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:40 Wow. Nobody.

Chris Williamson 45:41 Nigels and Keiths are a dying breed, man.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:44 It's not a very baby name.

Chris Williamson 45:46 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:46 Oh, little Keith. Like... (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:48 Yeah. You grow into that name, don't you? You become a Keith.

Chris Williamson 45:50 Bruce.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:51 We had a guy called Keith-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 45:52 You become a Bruce as well.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 45:52 ... in our class and he was not... he, he was always known as Big Keith and he was just a man all the time.

Chris Williamson 45:59 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:00 It- it feels like you've got to be at least 40 before you can justify being called Keith in my head. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 46:05 There's someone called Keith listening who's 22 and dresses really cool and is like, "You're fucking... I tell you all." Um, can you imagine how few Karens there's going to be? "Oh my God, did you see that a bunch of Karens went on This Morning to complain."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:20 I know.

Chris Williamson 46:20 And someone, someone made a meme of it that said this is the most Karen thing that you could do.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:25 It's the level of... like the levels that goes to and it's the- it's... I wonder whether...

Chris Williamson 46:32 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:32 Because I feel like you would think about that, wouldn't you, before you went on? You'd be like, "What are we being accused of here? What's the, what's the essence of the problem here?" It's, it's the... and then is this helping or hindering the-

Chris Williamson 46:47 Ah, movement.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 46:48 How would you deal with it if, if your name was Karen? What-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:51 I think you just like don't take it seriously.

Chris Williamson 46:54 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 46:54 You know, you know, I don't th- presumably they're not encountering any kind of real issues from it. It's just a bit of internet bullshit, isn't it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 47:02 Slur.

Chris Williamson 47:02 The video guy, Dean's mum is Karen.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:05 Does she mind?

Chris Williamson 47:06 No.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 47:08 So that, I think that, uh, great, like if you're like, "Oh yeah, I'm called Karen. It's quite funny." Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:13 Like own it. Really live it. Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 47:15 Yeah. But y- you're kind of hamstrung 'cause if you're 40 and you're called Karen, it... I mean changing your name is a bit-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:20 You're not changing your name to fuck on, isn't it? Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:22 I mean, here's one way to look at it, because obviously as someone who's just lost one of the most important tendons in his body who've been reading a, a fair bit of stoicism, um, turn that around, if it was Ryan Holiday that was looking at it, he would say, "That's great. Everyone's got incredibly low expectations of you. Much easier to beat them."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:42 Yeah. Nice.

Chris Williamson 47:43 Precisely what he would say. If your name's Karen, you now don't have to be anywhere near as polite or impressive to be polite or impressive.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:51 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 47:52 That you just need to not be a bitch and you're already miles above what everyone is p- e- expecting of you.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 47:58 Well, if you just continue as you were, that's immediately held in higher regard. Fantastic.

Chris Williamson 48:04 Low expectations are an advantage, man.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 48:06 I thought Dexter was your microphone there. I thought you were just talking into his head as the microphone.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:11 No, no, he's not.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 48:12 He's just looking wistfully forlorn-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:14 He's just chilling.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 48:14 ... out the window.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:15 Yeah, he's chilling. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:15 Um, has anyone watched Dark on Netflix?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:19 So I... since I saw you sh- talking about it, I've tried and I'm really struggling with this.

Chris Williamson 48:23 Oh Johnny, please. I'm-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:25 Persist.

Chris Williamson 48:25 Oh, please do. And anyone that's-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:28 Wow.

Chris Williamson 48:28 Anyone that's listening, so I am very much of the same mindset. I think more of Yusuf, but oh no, actually you like subtitles, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:38 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:38 Okay. Well, I, I-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:39 You have subtitles on everything, don't you?

Chris Williamson 48:41 You choose, you elect subtitles.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 48:42 You've opted in for subtitles, haven't you?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:45 I prefer-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 48:45 I do.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:45 ... to watch the-... is it, is it German?

Chris Williamson 48:48 Yes.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:49 I'd prefer to watch the German-

Chris Williamson 48:50 Yeah, 'cause the dub, the voiceover is so-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 48:51 ... TV. Because the dubbing, it just loses all of the kind of, yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:54 'Cause it's like a really tense, like, well-lit, and it's like, "Hey, what are you doing over there." And you're like, "Ah, god."

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:00 (laughs) Oh, no. So I, I tried to watch, I watched the first episode overdubbed, and then me and my housemate were like, "Right. We'll watch the second one subtitled," which is obviously very effortful. Like, you're basically reading books for hours.

Chris Williamson 49:12 The program's really effortful.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:13 Did you watch the dub, did you watch the dub program but with subtitles on? No, so I watched no subtitles-

Chris Williamson 49:17 Oh, that's as well.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:18 ... English overdubs on the first episode of Dark. Couldn't get away with it, just exactly as you said, like all the tense moments were destroyed and it just sucks. And then episode two, one with subtitles. We're now on the final episode of season two and dude, it's like, it's so good. Hold on, hold on. Can... Are you saying that there's an option to switch off the dubbing?

Chris Williamson 49:44 English dubbing, yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:47 I just presumed that was like pre-loaded.

Chris Williamson 49:49 No, you can, you can switch to i- to original audio.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 49:52 My god.

Chris Williamson 49:52 Pretty good. So closed captions, you wanna go audio, audio on captions, turn off, go to like the original audio and you want English, not closed captions, uh, subtitles, 'cause closed caption subtitles must be for people that are like hard of hearing. And that's-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:08 Oh, when they describe, like, rustling of leaves.

Chris Williamson 50:10 The man is shutting the door. Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:11 Yeah, exactly. It's like, um-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:13 All right.

Chris Williamson 50:13 ... drama- dramatic music. And then when it, when the, uh, intro music plays, it tells you, it's like, um, "Ellie Goulding, Stars and Stripes," as the mu- and it's like, well, hang on, if I can't hear, that, that, I have no reference for what that means.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:26 Yeah. Notable crescendo-

Chris Williamson 50:27 Have you ever had that accidentally on?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:28 ... short, sharp beats.

Chris Williamson 50:30 The-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:30 Weird.

Chris Williamson 50:31 I've definitely had it watched something before with, with that just on and didn't realize that's what it, what it was, and I was like, "This program's really weird." Like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:37 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 50:37 ... it's, it's like a narrator that's talking about really, like, mundane stuff. Dude, Dark, stick at it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:42 Oh, man. If you can, if you can switch it over, 'cause that, that's the only thing I struggle with it, is just the-

Chris Williamson 50:47 Object handle.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:47 ... the total mismatch. Yeah, completely handled. The, the, the total mismatch of, mismatch of like, the s- what should be the sort of mood of the scene and the dubbing.

Chris Williamson 50:58 (laughs) It must be hard though, like-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 50:58 It's just, it's, it turns it into like a parody of the-

Chris Williamson 51:01 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:02 ... of the same situation.

Chris Williamson 51:02 It's like comedy. It's a ki- it just totally takes you out of the moment, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:05 Yeah, completely. Completely.

Chris Williamson 51:07 Imagine if you're a voice actor. There might be some listening. Like, if you're someone who has to do this job.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 51:13 Like, the actors that are there get to be in the scene, they've been on set all day, they're talking to the person, they can see that, and then you get l- th- "Right, Jonathan, it's your turn now, mate. We've got, uh, about, about 15 minutes to get this scene nailed." Then Jonathan has to wa- watch it on TV whilst seeing the script, whilst matching his voice to someone who's not saying those words as other language noise, which relates to the words he's saying.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:39 Yeah. 'Cause like the intonation's different in different cultures, isn't it? So like, I think we go up, like, in, especially northern thing to go up at the end of sentences.

Chris Williamson 51:49 Inflection, yeah. Australians are big on that. Upward inflection, they love it. Everything's a question if you're Australian.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 51:55 Going up at the end of sentences.

Chris Williamson 51:58 Yeah. Yeah, it's, um, but yeah, I was super, super impressed with Dark. Anyone that needs something to watch on TV, I, uh, I highly recommend that. Wasn't impressed by the business of drugs, which I thought I would be.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:10 Yeah. I've started, I watched again, like, just pied it. Just watched one episode and I was just like... (pats leg)

Chris Williamson 52:16 Was that the German one of the g- the l- the kids that set up a dark web thing?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:20 No, no, it's a, it's like a documentary series on Netflix.

Chris Williamson 52:23 Oh, okay. Not impressed.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:24 You know one of the things that I couldn't s- I, I actually re-round, re-rounded and watched like three times was the, this lady's like a CIA agent, right?

Chris Williamson 52:35 Yes. Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:36 And they, they keep a scene in where she's getting into the back of this like military plane and nearly, like clearly nea- n- you know when you like go step up on something high and you like go for the initial push off and it isn't quite enough and you have to come back down again and do it again? That like nearly happens to her and she has to like press herself off, off of her, off her own leg.

Chris Williamson 52:55 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 52:55 And then goes and has this really serious conversation with like, uh, someone in about drugs. And they keep it in.

Chris Williamson 53:02 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:02 And I just think it's a bit harsh. It just doesn't, it doesn't paint her in a very like, this is a very serious situation and then she like, "Ugh," like struggles-

Chris Williamson 53:10 Someone needs to make a compilation of all those little, you know, like, where you, you try and pick up a glass and you miss your mouth or y-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:15 Yeah. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 53:15 ... trip a little bit on the pavement or-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:16 I think go, go, like reach a door or something behind you, or just grasping at the air for ages.

Chris Williamson 53:22 The worst, the worst one is thinking that there isn't a step there going downstairs-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:28 Oh, god. Reja-

Chris Williamson 53:29 ... and there's one more left. Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:31 And it, for some reason, it really hits you hard, doesn't it?

Chris Williamson 53:34 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:34 It's the same as all the other steps.

Chris Williamson 53:36 If you pick up a glass and you think it's full and it's not and you go... (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:41 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 53:44 Which is funny, right?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:44 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:44 Because the tolerance that you've got shouldn't be so fine that like a kilo or half a kilo of liquid makes the difference between you slowly bringing it to your face or throwing it at the ceiling.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 53:56 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 53:56 It's amazing, like we're so calibrated with little stuff like that that we don't even realize. Yeah. You need to speak to Technogym. That's, that's perhaps a solution that they could go with.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:05 (laughs) They used, they used to happen to me a lot when, in, when I was going to see clients as an a- as an auditor 'cause you'd always be in a different building, you'd always be dealing with different, different like in, office environments, and I would alwa- there'd always be a time, it probably happened once a month, where I'd go into like an, a person's office, open the door, and use too much force.

Chris Williamson 54:26 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:26 And it's like, bang, off the thing and you're like-

Chris Williamson 54:28 Oh.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:29 There's no way to not look like a twat in that situation.

Chris Williamson 54:32 I think you have to just do that, just hands on hips.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:34 Yeah, I am here now. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:36 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:36 Won't stop what they're doing.

Chris Williamson 54:36 Here I am. I am the door opener.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:38 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 54:39 Um, uh, well, look, Seph, you've got to get off. It's your mom's birthday.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:43 It is.

Chris Williamson 54:44 So happy birthday Mother Scob.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 54:46 Thank you. I'll pass that on.

Chris Williamson 54:48 Um, I think this is, uh, this is probably gonna go out on Thursday, which will be the day after-... I have my, uh, operation. So hopefully-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 54:55 Oh.

Chris Williamson 54:55 ... I'm, uh, I'm absolutely fine. I said on the intro to an episode the other day that I'm gonna try my best to continue with a fairly regular publishing schedule. Reason being that, like, you just need to do something. Like, the alternative is having no reason to get up, having no reason to kind of, like, transcend your discomfort. There was that episode I did with Kamal Ravikant where he lost almost all of the blood out of his body and was able to take himself off o-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 55:23 To your hip-ho?

Chris Williamson 55:23 Yeah. He took himself off opiates because he wanted to read the manuscript with enough, like, fidelity that he could tell where the punctuation was right and wrong. And it's like, if you have a strong enough reason to kind of transcend anything that's uncomfortable, it'll be fine. And, you know, this is a, a, a pretty good version for me. So, yeah, hopefully, um, we will be not too disrupted when it comes to the recording schedule and the publishing schedule, and that'll help to hold me accountable, which will be, which will be nice.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 55:54 For sure.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 55:54 Well, I imagine, uh, presumably it's kind of one of the only things you can do post-surgery.

Chris Williamson 56:00 I need to be horizontal for-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:01 It's just 50 minutes-

Chris Williamson 56:03 ... 50 minutes, 50 minutes out of every 60.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:03 That was mental. When I saw the s- the story description of it-

Chris Williamson 56:06 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:07 ... I was all sort of, like, within expectation. Like, the recovery times and all those sorts of things. But that, that point, I was just like-

Chris Williamson 56:13 50 minutes horizontal-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:14 ... "That's one of the ɪm-"

Chris Williamson 56:14 ... with your leg up out of every 60 for two weeks.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:19 Is that because it's lo- just naturally can't not load bear it?

Chris Williamson 56:22 It's to get the swelling down. Need to get-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:25 Wow.

Chris Williamson 56:25 ... need to l- get foot up, get fluid out.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:30 Do they... I imagine the surgery is just, like, tying a big, like, a bow double knot in it.

Chris Williamson 56:35 Sutured, sutured together with semi-dissolvable sutures. Or, well, d- dissolvable sutures that take three months. So-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:42 So clever, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 56:43 Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty fucking smart, innit?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 56:45 Medicine and doctors and stuff.

Chris Williamson 56:46 I know. Could you have a go, Yusuf? If I just said, "Get, get a, a kitchen knife out," could you have a crack?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 56:54 It's kind of like asking Jonny to, like, go into a Spanish, um, construction company and-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:01 No, like, financial institution.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:04 Okay, okay.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:04 With really complex financial products.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:06 So, like, a Spanish hedge fund-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:08 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:08 ... and just being like, "Can you just, like, run the accounts?" And he'd be like, "Well, I can have a crack at it." (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:14 (laughs) I know, I know mostly where everything is, but the specifics are gonna be...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:18 I'd, I'd back you.

Chris Williamson 57:20 I'd back you as well.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:21 I don't think you'd do anything wrong or, like, that made it worse. Whereas I think I'd try.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:26 Is, is this me as the surgeon or the anesthetist or just doing, like, just one mile operation-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:30 All of it. It's all doctor stuff, isn't it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:32 ... to hold? (laughs) Just being a single theater team, just me.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:36 (laughs) There's loads of films where they do it and I feel like it would be really irresponsible.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:42 Yeah, but when they get a bit of snow and they'll, like, they'll have a knife between their teeth and they're just like...

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:46 Yeah, yeah, like, hack it in. Like, remove a bullet and all that sort of stuff. So if pe- if someone who's not even a doctor can remove a bullet from themselves with, like, a, a mirror and a, their car pool, it's true.

Chris Williamson 57:54 Set of tweezers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 57:55 Like, if Matt Damon can do it then, you know.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 57:56 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:57 Well, just, like, watching movies throughout 2010, 2020 has taught me that any wound just needs cauterizing.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:05 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:05 Cauterize it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:06 Doesn't matter how bad it is.

Chris Williamson 58:07 Yeah, just, just cauterize it. That's it.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:09 The thing I always wonder is in films where the bullet's gone all the way through, no one ever seems that worried. I'm just like, "Surely, like, that means it's done loads of damage."

Chris Williamson 58:19 Well, the exit wound's gonna be huge.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:21 Massive. But as long as you, like, put a bandage on, then apparently-

Chris Williamson 58:27 It's like it... It, it... Honestly, it's like straight through, nothing to worry about. No, hang on. No. Like, there'd be nothing to worry about if it hadn't hit me. (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:37 (laughs)

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:37 Not true.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:37 And even then, there's something to worry about 'cause someone just shot at you.

Chris Williamson 58:40 (laughs) Yeah, less-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:41 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:41 ... less to worry about.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:44 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 58:44 Unbelievable.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:44 Is it the, the question of, like, do you take the knife out or do you leave it in? Do you turn up to A&E with a knife sticking out of you? Like, do you leave the bullet in?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:52 Surely you leave it in.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:54 It's... I think it depends-

Chris Williamson 58:56 You leave the knife in?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:56 ... on a lot of things.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:58 What would you do?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 58:58 On where, on where it is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 58:59 Would you leave it in or take it out?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:01 To, to be honest, I, I wouldn't wanna make that call.

Chris Williamson 59:04 It's not, it's not a plug. It's not a drain plug, is it?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:07 Well, th- that, that's what you wanna be careful of. And also if there's a bullet in, it's like has it introduced more infection than it... Or, like, is it gonna cause more trauma by removing it? If it's a serrated knife, by removing it are you gonna cause more damage? But then it's like, well, okay, how do you get it out anyway then? Do you have to take it out?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:25 'Cause someone's gonna have to take it out, aren't they?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:27 At some point, yeah. Unless you just-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:29 Unless you've made a life decision. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 59:32 Leave it in and throw it out the-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:32 Yeah. You're like, "Right, well, that's that."

Chris Williamson 59:34 You'd have... If you left a knife in your shoulder for the rest of time, you'd have somewhere to hang stuff, wouldn't you?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:38 (laughs) Yeah, but- It would be the sort of thing where you'd, like, you'd catch it on something and it would come out.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:43 On a door.

Chris Williamson 59:44 Yeah.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:44 Always on a door frame.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:44 I'm leaving now. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 59:46 I know, I know.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:47 Or, like, putting a jumper on in Zara.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:49 Oh, so difficult.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:50 And, and you catch it and then-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 59:51 Slim thick.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:51 ... blood all over the thing and you have to have the conversa- "I had a knife in my shoulder."

Chris Williamson 59:55 That's still there. That's what that is.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 59:56 You have to pay for the jumper even though you didn't want it and all that sort of stuff.

Chris Williamson 1:00:00 Exactly.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:00 I would leave... I think I would leave it in based on my-

Chris Williamson 1:00:04 Leave it in?

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:04 ... absolute zero understanding of any of this. I feel like that's... My knee-jerk response would be better in than out.

Chris Williamson 1:00:13 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:13 Well, no. Initially far better out than in. But once it's in, it feels like it'd be better in than out.

Chris Williamson 1:00:19 Fine.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:00:20 That's the only thing that you think should stay in as well, isn't it? Everything else in life is just a series of, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:26 Getting it out.

Chris Williamson 1:00:27 ... buildups to you being able to get something out of you, which is the-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:32 Well, no, 'cause it's like food-

Chris Williamson 1:00:32 ... the greatest pleasure a man can have.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:33 Food, food and water. That's nice to go in.

Chris Williamson 1:00:36 It's also nice to come out.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:00:37 I'm sure there was a podcast where we talked about this.

Chris Williamson 1:00:39 Yeah.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:39 Or maybe it was just me and Yusuf.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:00:40 Where Jonny... Yeah, it was, it was Jonny's philosophy on, like, things going in your body versus things going, coming out of your body.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:46 Well, the idea that everything coming out feels nice.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:00:49 Ah, yeah. That's it.

Chris Williamson 1:00:51 It does.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:00:51 There's very, very little. Suppose apart from a cough, but that's not really coming out of you, is it, per se?

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:00:58 It's attempting to get something out.

Chris Williamson 1:00:59 I'd say yawns are coming out of you.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:01:01 That's -

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:01 Yawns are nice.

Chris Williamson 1:01:03 Anyway.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:04 And then Yusuf's point was, like, things going in are nice. And then we, then we clarified that m- most things could be put in if s- with someone who had, like, the right tools-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:01:14 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:14 ... frame of mind, skills and motivation. Like, there's ways you could put things into people if you really applied yourself to it. And only some of the things are nice.

Chris Williamson 1:01:25 That's true. It's easier. The, the barrier for what is nice is easier for going out than in, isn't it? There's a select number of things going in that are nice, but most of the things going out are nice.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:36 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:37 Yeah. I'm glad that we've, I'm glad that we've managed to, uh-

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:39 Better out than in.

Chris Williamson 1:01:40 Better, better out than in, except unless it's a knife in your shoulder. Uh, look, gentlemen, thank you very much. Propainfitness.com/modernwisdom.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:01:48 Bye-bye.

Chris Williamson 1:01:48 And propanefitness.com/calculator if you want macros. All will be linked in the show notes below. If you're a PT who wants to take your game to the online level, then speak to them. They're available and it's the seven steps to make a business in a day or something.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:02:04 (laughs)

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:05 It basically just tells you everything that you would need to know for free.

Chris Williamson 1:02:10 Including-

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:02:10 It actually does.

Chris Williamson 1:02:11 ... how to get a knife out of your shoulder.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:12 The third thing, the third thing that we talk about, no one can ever believe.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:02:17 Oh.

Chris Williamson 1:02:18 What an open loop. What an open loop.

Jonny (Propane Fitness) 1:02:19 A trick that they listen to it and they're like, "That third thing, Jonny, mate, I can't believe you talk about that."

Chris Williamson 1:02:24 Propainfitness.com/modernwisdom. Go and see it. Gentlemen, thank you very much. I will see you once I have two Achilles again.

Yusef (Propane Fitness) 1:02:29 Bye-bye. (uplifting music)