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Does Anyone Care About Men’s Struggles? - Richard Reeves

Richard V. Reeves is a writer, scholar and a Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. Men are falling behind in education, employment and family life. They're underachieving in school, dropping out of the labour market and being less useful around the house more than ever. And this isn't simply cultural as it's happening all over the world, the problem is deeper than that - it's structural. Expect to learn why there are twice as many female fighter pilots compared with male kindergarten teachers, why a male needs to be 24 to have the same impulse control as a 10 year old girl, where the term toxic masculinity actually came from, whether a man's gain is actually woman's loss, the problem of promoting men's issues in the press and much more... Sponsors: Get 7 days free access and 25% discount from Blinkist at https://blinkist.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 4.0 at https://www.manscaped.com/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 15% discount on all VERSO’s products at https://ver.so/modernwisdom (use code: MW15) Extra Stuff: Buy Of Boys & Men - https://amzn.to/3eb6so6 Follow Richard on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/richardvreeves Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - 00:00 Intro 00:20 Origin of ‘Toxic Masculinity’ 04:20 Why Are Women Told to be More Masculine? 11:30 The Decline of Men in Education 20:24 Gap Between Male & Female Teachers 27:27 Solutions for the Education Imbalance 32:14 Why are Men leaving the Labour Market? 46:36 Expanding the Role of Fatherhood 58:48 The ‘Checked-out’ Men 1:04:48 Men’s Rights Vs Women’s Rights 1:13:04 Where to Find Richard - Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Richard V. ReevesguestChris Williamsonhost
Oct 10, 20221h 13mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:19

    Gender gaps flipped: boys and men falling behind across institutions

    Reeves sets the stage with the headline claim that many gender gaps—especially in education—have flipped direction, leaving boys and men behind in key outcomes. He frames this as a structural issue rather than a collection of individual male failings, and argues it’s a change few predicted.

    • Higher-education gender gap is now wider than decades ago, but reversed
    • The speed and consistency across countries suggests structural causes
    • Problem framing: men’s struggles are treated as individual pathology rather than system design
  2. 0:19 – 4:11

    Why “toxic masculinity” is a harmful framing (and where it came from)

    Reeves argues that “toxic masculinity” became a catchall insult after escaping niche academic use, making it counterproductive for engaging men. He traces its origin to work with violent incarcerated men, then explains how it broadened after 2016 into an imprecise label for any disliked male behavior.

    • The term is rarely defined, becomes vacuous and politically weaponized
    • Origins in psychology/criminology work with violent prisoners
    • Post-2016 cultural surge (Trump/MeToo) amplified usage
    • Better alternative framing: mature vs. immature masculinity
    • Term can repel men from constructive conversations
  3. 4:11 – 7:06

    Why women are encouraged toward “masculine” traits—and the structural vs individual lens

    They explore why modern culture often celebrates women adopting traits coded as masculine (ambition, leadership) while criticizing traditional male traits. Reeves emphasizes overlapping distributions, warns against forcing anyone into new boxes, and contrasts past individual-focused empowerment with today’s more structural feminist policy agenda.

    • Average differences exist, but distributions overlap—avoid binary thinking
    • Encouraging women’s ambition can be liberation, not masculinization
    • Fertility/childlessness “panic” is overstated; most women still have children
    • Women’s movement shifted from assertiveness-style self-fixing to structural reforms
    • Men’s issues are still framed primarily as individual responsibility
  4. 7:06 – 11:30

    A ‘double bind’ story for men: left vs right prescriptions miss the structural reality

    Reeves describes an “unholy alliance” where the left blames men’s problems on toxic masculinity and the right blames a lack of masculinity, both focusing on fixing individual men. He argues the real drivers include education-system design, labor-market shifts, and family-structure changes—structural conditions that have transformed quickly.

    • Left message: ‘be like your sister’; right message: ‘be like your dad’
    • Education structure, deindustrialization, and family change are key drivers
    • Automation/free trade are gender-neutral in theory but hit men harder
    • Cultural change has been rapid; environment is not immutable
    • Structural diagnosis doesn’t remove personal responsibility
  5. 11:30 – 13:54

    What happened to boys in education: the global, multi-level slide

    Reeves details how boys have fallen behind girls at every educational stage across advanced economies, with college campuses now roughly 60/40 female/male in the US and UK. He underscores that the trend is worldwide and increasingly includes math and science, with literacy advantages compounding downstream outcomes.

    • Boys lag girls across OECD countries and across schooling stages
    • Campus composition reversed from male-majority to female-majority over decades
    • Girls have caught up or overtaken in math/science; literacy remains a major gap
    • No one predicted the lines would keep going past parity
    • Cross-national pattern implies systemic rather than local causes
  6. 13:54 – 20:25

    Why school rewards girls’ development: executive function, behavior, and ‘male-unfriendly’ design

    They unpack mechanisms: schools reward organization, impulse control, and future-orientation at ages where girls are developmentally ahead. Reeves argues sexism previously hid girls’ structural advantage (since girls faced external barriers), and that today boys are not being intentionally discriminated against—systems simply fit female development better.

    • Key gap is executive function/impulse control timing, not intelligence
    • Prefrontal cortex development generally comes later for boys
    • Earlier barriers kept girls from translating advantages into credentials
    • Rejects ‘war on boys’ intentional discrimination narrative
    • Pedagogy and reduced vocational pathways may worsen mismatches
  7. 20:25 – 27:26

    Male teacher scarcity: why it matters, and what the numbers reveal

    Reeves highlights extremely low rates of male teachers—especially in early education—and argues this affects boys’ outcomes and reinforces gender stereotypes. He contrasts the active effort to recruit women into male-coded roles (e.g., military pilots) with the lack of comparable effort to recruit men into early-years teaching.

    • ~2% of US kindergarten/pre-K teachers are male; ~10% in primary/elementary
    • Comparison: higher share of women military pilots than men teaching kindergarten
    • Evidence suggests boys benefit from male teachers (e.g., male English teachers)
    • Mixed teacher gender may improve behavior interpretation and role modeling
    • Lack of policy attention: not even treated as a problem to solve
  8. 27:26 – 32:15

    Education fixes: start boys later, rebuild vocational routes, and teach self-regulation skills

    Reeves proposes structural reforms to counter developmental gaps, including staggering school entry (“redshirting” boys) and expanding vocational education. He also supports targeted programs that build non-cognitive skills (organization, impulse control), and argues some sensitive topics (like porn education) may work better with sex-separated instruction.

    • Proposal: start boys in school a year later than girls to match development
    • Increase male teachers, especially early years and English
    • Revive/expand vocational education as a boy-friendly pathway
    • Skill-building interventions can improve impulse control and life outcomes
    • Sex/porn education may be more effective in single-sex settings
  9. 32:15 – 34:00

    Labor market shift: deindustrialization, automation, and the male participation decline

    The conversation moves to work: manufacturing and heavy industry shrank due to globalization and automation, hitting male employment and wages especially hard. Reeves notes male labor force participation has dropped across OECD countries, and in the US male wages have declined relative to late-1970s levels for many men.

    • Two drivers: overseas competition (e.g., China trade shock) and automation
    • Male labor force participation down across advanced economies
    • Male wages stagnated in most OECD; declined in the US for many
    • Impacts are largest in the bottom half of the male earnings distribution
    • Backdrop: broader rise in economic inequality
  10. 34:00 – 38:19

    Why men haven’t adapted: identity costs and the missing push into ‘HEAL’ careers

    Reeves argues adaptation is blocked less by capability than by identity and cultural signaling: fast-growing jobs are often coded as female, and men face social penalties for entering them. He proposes mirroring the STEM push for women with intentional efforts to recruit men into health, education, administration, and literacy (HEAL).

    • Women’s labor gains concentrated in higher-status professions; trades remain male
    • Identity economics: job choices signal who you are, not just income
    • Male-coded jobs disappeared; female-coded jobs rose; men get stuck between
    • Politicians dangerously promise old ‘male jobs’ will return
    • Introduce HEAL as a counterpart to STEM; argue for active recruitment and reframing
  11. 38:19 – 43:21

    Policy levers for HEAL: scholarships, hiring subsidies, and user benefits (care, therapy, dignity)

    They outline concrete interventions: male-only scholarships and employer subsidies to increase men in care, education, and related roles. Beyond workforce needs, they emphasize user benefits—men receiving intimate care or therapy may do better with male providers—creating downstream improvements for families and communities.

    • Advocates male-only scholarships to shift pipelines into HEAL
    • Subsidize employers hiring men into care/education roles
    • Service users benefit: dignity in care settings; resonance in therapy
    • Correcting imbalance helps both sexes and improves institutional trust
    • Messaging matters: describe HEAL jobs in ways that appeal to men without caricature
  12. 43:21 – 46:37

    Fatherhood after women’s economic independence: risk of paternal redundancy

    Reeves argues the deepest shock is familial: as women gained economic independence (and welfare states expanded), the traditional breadwinner basis for fathers weakened. Without a culturally updated model that values fathers as caregivers and mentors, many men—especially unmarried or economically marginal—get “benched,” fueling fatherlessness.

    • Women’s economic independence reshaped marriage from necessity to choice
    • Traditional dad role centered on provision; that role is less exclusive now
    • If mothers can provide and still do most care, fathers can seem redundant
    • Fatherlessness is concentrated in less affluent communities
    • Need to re-valorize fatherhood as intrinsically valuable, not just financial
  13. 46:37 – 56:52

    What dads uniquely contribute: complementarity, adolescence, and long-run outcomes

    They discuss why engaged fathers matter even when not primary breadwinners, citing evidence of long-run benefits for children’s mental health and boys’ school behavior. Reeves suggests dads may be especially effective during adolescence—helping kids navigate risk and independence—while acknowledging complementarity with mothers’ strengths in early nurturing.

    • Engaged dads benefit kids and also benefit the dads themselves
    • Better outcomes for boys’ behavior and school performance with involved fathers
    • Long-run effects: father-daughter relationship links to adult mental health
    • Dads often excel at ‘pushing the boundary’ learning in adolescence
    • Modern fatherhood needs updating beyond disciplinarian/provider stereotypes
  14. 56:52 – 1:04:48

    ‘Checked-out’ men vs ‘acting-out’ men: porn, games, and the retreat from society

    Reeves argues fears of violent ‘surplus males’ didn’t materialize; crime declined as some men instead retreated into low-stakes digital substitutes. They debate whether porn and gaming are harms or partial ‘escape valves,’ concluding the bigger concern may be displacement—what men stop doing (dating, social risk-taking, skill-building).

    • Conservative ‘Mad Max’ predictions didn’t happen; violence fell
    • Primary risk: withdrawal/nihilism rather than overt violence
    • Porn/games may provide proxy rewards and social bonding
    • Reeves is skeptical of sweeping harm claims; addiction affects a minority
    • Key mechanism: displacement of harder real-world maturation tasks
  15. 1:04:48 – 1:13:04

    Men’s issues aren’t anti-women: escaping the zero-sum framing

    They address political backlash: helping boys and men is often treated as denying misogyny or rolling back women’s rights. Reeves argues the real obstacle is attention and identity politics—difficulty ‘thinking two thoughts at once’—and calls for institutions and policies that take reversed gender inequalities seriously alongside unfinished women’s equality goals.

    • Cultural assumption: advocating for men implies betrayal of women’s causes
    • Sometimes resources are finite, but the bigger issue is conversational zero-sum
    • Unfinished business remains for women (e.g., leadership, VC funding)
    • Need ‘permission space’ to address male disadvantage in education/work/family
    • Goal is mutual flourishing, not separatism or competition
  16. 1:13:04 – 1:13:49

    Where to follow Richard Reeves

    Reeves closes by sharing where audiences can find his writing and ongoing research. He points listeners to his website, Substack, Brookings work, and social channels.

    • Website: richardvreeves.com
    • Substack: ‘Of Boys and Men’ with weekly posts
    • Brookings publications and research
    • Twitter/X handle for updates

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