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Doping Scandals & Olympics Corruption - Zack Telander

Zack Telander is a weightlifter, coach & YouTuber. ZT joins me to discuss my recent trip to Nashville to see Mikhaila & Jordan Peterson, why I think Canada has committed an act of international sabotage by poisoning me, the International Olympic Committee's newest bombshell threat to the entire weightlifting world, why corruption is so rampant in weightlifting, what Zack thinks can be done about drugs in sports and much more... Sponsors: Join the Modern Wisdom Community to connect with me & other listeners - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Reclaim your fitness and book a Free Consultation Call with ActiveLifeRX at http://bit.ly/rxwisdom Get 20% discount on all pillows at https://thehybridpillow.com (use code: MW20) Get 20% discount on the highest quality CBD Products from Pure Sport at https://bit.ly/cbdwisdom (use code: MW20) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Zack's YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94_fvLx7abZgs9LIkM7jxw Get Zack's Program for $1 - https://www.patreon.com/zacktelander Follow Zack on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/coach_zt Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #weightlifting #doping #corruption - 00:00 Intro 00:53 Chris’ Texas Trip 09:24 Corruption in the Olympics 27:24 How the IOC Threatens Weightlifting 34:55 The Processes of Doping in Sports 46:51 Would the Olympics Ever be Disbanded? 54:20 How to Clean up Weightlifting 1:01:12 Where to Find Zack - Join the Modern Wisdom Community on Locals - https://modernwisdom.locals.com/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Zack TelanderguestChris Williamsonhost
Dec 18, 20211h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 11th place to Olympic gold: how deep weightlifting’s doping goes

    Zack opens with a jaw-dropping example from London 2012: so many athletes were later sanctioned that the 11th-place finisher ended up with gold. This sets the tone for a conversation about systemic doping and governance failures in Olympic weightlifting.

    • Retroactive sanctions can completely reshuffle Olympic podiums
    • London 2012 example: 10 athletes sanctioned, 11th place gets gold
    • Weightlifting’s credibility crisis framed immediately
    • Sets up the broader theme: corruption + doping as intertwined problems
  2. Chris’ Texas trip chaos: sickness, Nashville, and why he’s remote-recording

    Chris and Zack banter about recording remotely despite being in the same city, Chris’ intense stomach illness, and a Nashville trip with Jordan Peterson. The conversation drifts through travel stories, nightlife culture, and Chris’ broader Austin stay versus returning to the UK.

    • Chris blames illness on Jordan Peterson vs. airport food
    • Nashville’s Broadway scene vs. Austin’s vibe
    • Chris’ work/travel lifestyle: ‘semester abroad’ feeling
    • UK COVID headlines and uncertainty about returning
  3. Weightlifting ‘out’ of 2028? The IOC’s warning and who governs what

    Zack explains the current panic: reports that weightlifting is ‘out’ of LA 2028 are better understood as a final warning from the IOC. He breaks down the roles of the IOC and IWF and why the language signals an escalating threat.

    • Weightlifting repeatedly placed ‘on the chopping block’ (2020/2024/2028)
    • IOC vs. IWF: Olympic inclusion depends on federation compliance
    • Latest message framed as a serious ultimatum, not a finalized expulsion
    • Boxing also mentioned as facing similar pressure
  4. Two corruptions: ‘boomers in suits’ and the doping machine

    Zack splits the sport’s problems into two branches: leadership corruption and doping. He cites staggering doping case numbers and argues the governance corruption enables and weaponizes the doping situation.

    • Zack claims IWF as the most corrupt Olympic sport
    • ~700 international doping suspensions since 2000 (as cited)
    • Doping is big, but leadership corruption is the accelerant
    • Corruption cases in sport rarely pursued as criminal matters
  5. The IWF ‘crime syndicate’ era: hidden Swiss accounts, missing funds, buried tests

    Zack outlines allegations surrounding longtime IWF president Thomas Ajan, including unlisted Swiss accounts, missing money, and tests that disappeared. The theme is institutional cover-ups: delaying positives, losing records, and cash payments tied to outcomes.

    • Claims of $23M flowing into unlisted Swiss accounts
    • At least $5.5M allegedly unaccounted for
    • ~300 tests allegedly unaccounted for; positives surfaced years later
    • Cash fines/bribes allegedly delivered directly to leadership
  6. How athletes beat drug testing: timing, inside knowledge, designer drugs—and sample swapping

    The conversation shifts from ‘why’ to ‘how’ doping persists. Zack describes three primary pathways to passing tests (timing, knowing the test, undetectable substances), plus the practical reality of bribery and sample substitution.

    • Three routes: know when testing occurs, know the test method, use undetectable compounds
    • Cycling off drugs to avoid detectable metabolite windows
    • Rodchenkov/Icarus example: test-method access enabling evasion
    • Fourth route: bribery/sample swapping; documentary claims of stand-ins providing clean urine
  7. Racketeering and coerced outcomes: the Sydney 2000 ‘fake injury’ story

    Zack recounts a story in which a top lifter allegedly threw a competition to avoid retaliation against his team if they hadn’t ‘paid’ to avoid sanctions. Chris challenges the morality of sympathizing with doped athletes, and Zack reframes the bigger issue as enforcers taking bribes and manipulating outcomes.

    • Sydney 2000 anecdote: athlete allegedly pressured not to win
    • Claimed ‘pay-to-pass’ system: fines/bribes used to suppress positives
    • Chris’ pushback: limited sympathy if everyone is doping
    • Zack’s analogy: corrupt enforcement (the ‘cop taking bribes’) undermines any fairness
  8. IOC as bully and power broker: selective enforcement and the Russia precedent

    Zack argues the IOC is not clean either, portraying it as a powerful institution that pressures federations while avoiding accountability. They reference the Russia scandal and how public exposure (e.g., Icarus) forced action that internal systems failed to trigger.

    • IOC framed as highly powerful and politically motivated
    • Public pressure can force bans when internal governance won’t
    • Russia’s systematic doping: punished, but with loopholes (competing under alternate designation)
    • IOC threatens replacement sports (e.g., skateboarding/rock climbing) as leverage
  9. The ‘light at the end of the tunnel’: USA progress and why losing 2028 matters

    Zack explains why this moment feels especially painful: the sport is finally growing in the US with emerging champions and youth talent. Removing weightlifting from the Olympics would erase long-term dreams for today’s teens and undercut grassroots investment.

    • Recent US success: world champions/medalists cited (Meredith Alwine, Kate Nye, Mattie Rogers)
    • Weightlifting’s pathway differs from big-money sports; mostly passion-driven
    • 2028 matters for current youth lifters planning Olympic careers
    • Zack blames leadership failures more than ‘doping alone’
  10. Old guard replacement and the Sunny Webster case: how bans and ‘association’ rules work

    Zack says Ajan was forced out but replaced by someone connected to the prior regime, raising doubts about real reform. They use Sunny Webster’s ban and subsequent extension to illustrate how anti-doping rules can extend beyond testing—penalizing coaching, seminars, and association.

    • Leadership change criticized as ‘old guard 2.0’ (Mike Irani mentioned)
    • UKADA portrayed as especially strict compared with US enforcement choices
    • Sunny Webster: initial positive for ostarine; ban could have been reduced by admitting fault
    • ‘Association’ rule: coaching/training with banned athletes can trigger further sanctions
  11. ‘Let them all dope’ vs reality: child doping, ethics, and where the line is

    Zack pushes back hard against the casual audience view that doping is just entertainment. He points to extreme cases (including allegations of doping minors) to argue that full permissiveness quickly becomes an ethical catastrophe, then detours briefly into the broader debate about irreversible medical decisions for minors.

    • Defeatist fan attitude: ‘everyone dopes, who cares’ criticized as simplistic
    • Allegation: Egypt sanctioned after minors tested positive; moral line at child drugging
    • Ethics framing: sport policy must protect athletes, especially youth
    • Brief comparison to puberty blockers debate: irreversible interventions for minors
  12. Why doping is everywhere: which sports benefit most and how pros might use ‘light’ cycles

    They zoom out to PED prevalence across sports, discussing why endurance/power output demands make doping attractive. Zack speculates about basketball and long seasons incentivizing recovery and durability aids, and how modest doses (TRT/HGH) could offer large advantages.

    • PED use framed as widespread in major sports, driven by recovery and workload tolerance
    • Basketball argued as highly incentivizing due to constant cutting/jumping and long seasons
    • Discussion of cycling’s power-to-weight focus as a model for why doping works
    • Speculation on ‘small’ protocols (TRT, HGH) meaningfully boosting performance
  13. Can the Olympics ever collapse? Politics, national pride, and why weightlifting got so rotten

    Chris asks if the Olympics could be disbanded; Zack says no because it’s a political tool. They explore how medals function as national prestige and propaganda, especially for countries with fewer avenues to global sporting dominance, and how coaching pipelines spread systems across borders.

    • Olympics as geopolitical theater: countries ‘flex’ through medals
    • Weightlifting as a medal pathway for certain nations and blocs
    • National pride and propaganda make reform difficult
    • Coaching diaspora: Eastern Bloc coaches leading programs worldwide
  14. How to clean up weightlifting: ‘clean house,’ verify national testing, require international tests

    Chris presses Zack for solutions, and Zack proposes structural reforms: purge compromised leadership, strengthen and verify national testing, and impose regular international testing requirements. He acknowledges cheating will never disappear, but argues the goal is to close the biggest loopholes and remove incentives for manipulation.

    • Governance reset: remove all officials tied to the Ajan era
    • Verify national testing systems to prevent weak-link countries
    • Require a minimum number of international tests annually for elites
    • Reform mindset: reduce ‘massive holes’ rather than promise perfection
  15. Odds of LA 2028 and where to find Zack

    They close by estimating weightlifting’s chance of staying in 2028 at around 50/50, with a looming 2023-ish decision timeline. Zack shares where to follow his work and coaching resources, and Chris signs off.

    • Zack gives 50/50 odds weightlifting remains in 2028
    • Timeline pressure: only a couple years to satisfy IOC demands
    • Zack’s plugs: YouTube, Patreon coaching, Instagram
    • Show outro and end screens

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