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Jonny & Yusef from PropaneFitness.com are back again. This time we asked for questions from listeners at home, and oh boy did we get some interesting ones... We talk honestly about our relationships with each other, open up regarding our own mental health battles, and elucidate what is probably the best short-form life advice we can give you. Plus we work out what is the biggest animal we can single handedly cling film to a lamppost. Listen through until the end to find out what episodes and topics we have coming up and hear me begin to articulate "My Why". Also... This probably ranks as my favourite episode to record so far. The questions are so wide ranging and either interesting or ridiculous; both of which are fantastic to answer. It's a credit to the community who tune into these podcasts, so thank you. - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

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  1. 0:002:54

    Setting up the first Modern Wisdom Q&A (and immediate chaos)

    1. CW

      (wind blowing) So, hello again. Hi.

    2. JO

      Hello there.

    3. YU

      Hi.

    4. CW

      Joined again by Johnny and Youssef from pro pain fitness dot com. And-

    5. JO

      Youssef and Johnny.

    6. CW

      Youssef and Johnny indeed. And we are today doing our first ever Q&A episode.

    7. YU

      This wouldn't be possible without the valuable contributions from you guys, so...

    8. CW

      Our listeners at home.

    9. YU

      Thank you for the, uh-

    10. CW

      Our listeners at home. So yeah, I, I posted and so did you guys on our respective Instagrams asking for people to submit questions. And we got-

    11. YU

      Really sensible questions.

    12. CW

      ... um, some unsensible ones, but interesting ones.

    13. YU

      Yeah.

    14. CW

      They were all interesting. And we got-

    15. YU

      I was being slightly facetious, but...

    16. CW

      ... 60.

    17. YU

      Were there any mentions of, uh, Johnny's legs?

    18. JO

      There weren't actually.

    19. CW

      No.

    20. YU

      Surprising.

    21. JO

      Which is very refreshing.

    22. CW

      I wanted to ask myself the question why are Johnny's legs so long, but I couldn't.

    23. YU

      To ask yourself that?

    24. CW

      Yeah.

    25. YU

      I see.

    26. JO

      It's very introspective.

    27. CW

      Yeah, I know. So we're going to do Q&A today. There's a couple that have been asked-

    28. JO

      Oh, there are.

    29. CW

      ... a couple of questions that people have requested remain anonymous. Other than that, I think we can just-

    30. JO

      Can I know who, who's anonymous?

  2. 2:545:25

    Do you track macros? When it helps, when it’s unnecessary, and why it’s hard

    1. JO

      Do you track macros?

    2. CW

      That's for all of us, obviously.

    3. YU

      No. Not anymore.

    4. JO

      I do.

    5. CW

      Do you?

    6. YU

      We discussed this on a live stream the other day that we, we don't.

    7. CW

      Well, now I do.

    8. YU

      Because we graduated from needing to. Like, years of tracking means that you build enough momentum to not need to anymore.

    9. CW

      I also don't track.

    10. YU

      You can do it by feel eventually.

    11. JO

      It's not fun for me to do them randomly. I'm gonna do them in order from top. I, I do track. Why don't you two track?

    12. YU

      So I've, I've explained.

    13. CW

      Um, it's just too much effort for me. However, I'm about to start with, uh, Tim from We Dominate Nutrition.

    14. JO

      Okay.

    15. CW

      And I'm also going to be on warrior programming as of the next couple of weeks. And as a part of that, I will be-

    16. YU

      Tracking macros.

    17. CW

      I will be, uh, accountable. And if I don't, I will get shouted at off, uh, a guy who looks like Hitler's wet dream.

    18. YU

      (laughs)

    19. JO

      (laughs)

    20. YU

      Oh, yeah. He is.

    21. JO

      I think if you aren't naturally abs lean like you two are-

    22. CW

      Hmm.

    23. JO

      ... realistically, you should try macros if you want to change.

    24. CW

      If you want to get lean.

    25. JO

      Yeah, ob- obv-

    26. YU

      Well, well, yes.

    27. JO

      I think there's an argument to do it regardless, to be honest.

    28. YU

      Well, nex- next time I diet, I am absolutely tracking macros if-

    29. JO

      Doing that little huh?

    30. YU

      Maybe not. Like, but, uh, yeah. Or, or if, if I start doing a, a 90 day push of focusing much more on physique, then yeah, like, once things start to stall out. The, I think we take the approach of if something is working, don't fix it.

  3. 5:2510:29

    Daily routines: morning light, meditation, hospital shifts, and evening struggles

    1. JO

      What do your daily routines look like at the moment?

    2. CW

      Who's that from? You're not put, you're not doing the people it's from.

    3. JO

      You said don't read people out because I'm anonymous.

    4. CW

      I said there's only a couple of people who asked us to be anonymous.

    5. JO

      How am I supposed to know who those are?

    6. CW

      Because they say. Roger.

    7. YU

      Everyone else, Arab accent.

    8. JO

      Roger that. Jordan Ayers.

    9. CW

      Jordan, by the way, is, uh, sending me reading lists on almost a weekly basis over email. And they're all fantastic, so thanks.

    10. YU

      Same.

    11. CW

      Thanks a lot. But Jordan is.

    12. YU

      We've done the same thing, Jordan. Appreciate it.

    13. CW

      Man, he's awesome. So, um-

    14. JO

      I've not seen any of these.

    15. YU

      (laughs)

    16. CW

      Well, we'll, we'll link you in.

    17. JO

      How have you been sent them?

    18. YU

      Through propane inbox.

    19. JO

      Good lord.

    20. CW

      It's because you're not checking social media enough.

    21. YU

      Yeah.

    22. JO

      Instagram.

    23. YU

      I respond to people on private messages.

    24. JO

      Ugh.

    25. CW

      There we go. Ugh, lads, lads, lads.

    26. JO

      You respond to people so I don't have to.

    27. CW

      So what do our daily routines look like at the moment? Bloody hell. Um, okay, I'll be as, uh-

    28. JO

      Concise. Brief.

    29. CW

      I'll take, I'll take the headlines as, as much as I can. So wake up-... outside, so I'm doing, uh, sunlight exposure now even if it's raining. So I'm-

    30. YU

      You've read Aubrey Marcus, haven't you?

  4. 10:2912:21

    Optimizing the day: stop work at 3 PM, Parkinson’s Law, and training time experiments

    1. JO

      So, uh, actually, recently I've been tr- I've been trying training later in the day.

    2. CW

      Okay.

    3. JO

      Um-

    4. CW

      After only just beginning to try to, try training earlier in the day.

    5. JO

      So I did, I did training in the morning for six months, more or less.

    6. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JO

      And it is good, but the trouble was just the amount of my ... You get to this point. And I know it's you start work later and finish work later.

    8. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JO

      I have this natural kind of disruption to my day from a work perspective, 'cause my girlfriend gets home at a certain time, and, like, to continue working feels wrong.

    10. CW

      Yeah, fair enough.

    11. JO

      So I've got this, like, window where I've got to get my work done.

    12. CW

      Routinely.

    13. JO

      Um, and the later I start, the more-

    14. CW

      What? So what you're saying is that if your girlfriend gets home when you're working, that's a problem. But if your girlfriend gets home and you're not at home because you're at the gym, it's fine.

    15. JO

      (laughs)

    16. CW

      (laughs)

    17. JO

      Well, so what, what I've been trying to do recently ... Uh, we had a business coach probably a year ago. And when I was talking to him about this, I was like, "I always struggle to, like, arrange these pieces in my day so that it's just, kind of, I run into the fewest problems." He was just like, "Just stop work at 3:00 PM."

    18. CW

      Yeah.

    19. YU

      Yeah.

    20. JO

      And I was like... And I told you about this.

    21. YU

      Parkinson's Law just means that you just work to a deadline.

    22. JO

      So I've, I've done it two days this week. I find it really, really difficult to do.

    23. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JO

      It's like, start, d- do all those habits. Start work, finish at 3:00 PM. And lo and behold, on those days, got more work done.

    25. CW

      Yeah.

    26. JO

      And then go to the gym. But you go to the gym at that time and there's just loads of people at the gym.

    27. CW

      More traffic. Busier gym.

    28. JO

      Yeah.

    29. CW

      Yeah.

    30. JO

      So I'm still searching for-

  5. 12:2118:14

    Absurd hypotheticals: clingfilming animals and speaking to dogs

    1. JO

      Okay. What's the largest animal you could single-handedly cling film to a lamppost?

    2. CW

      Who was that?

    3. JO

      ... sorry, Rob Ransom. Recognise that name?

    4. YU

      Horse because-

    5. JO

      No. Fuck off. A horse?

    6. YU

      B- Because-

    7. GI

      (laughs)

    8. JO

      (laughs)

    9. YU

      Horse's, their, horse's brains are, like, this big. Like, they're not going to... Uh, I think if you can catch it in a-

    10. GI

      Such a weird-

    11. CW

      I think what you're talking, what we're talking about here is how docile is the animal. Exactly, yeah. Not-

    12. JO

      I'm, so I'm imagining it's off the ground.

    13. YU

      Oh, see, like-

    14. JO

      Well, yeah, 'cause there's a-

    15. YU

      ... around its back and it's-

    16. JO

      Otherwise, you just push anything up against a tree. (laughs)

    17. CW

      Right, okay. So do that, do that to a leopard.

    18. YU

      Oh, God.

    19. JO

      A leopard?

    20. CW

      Yeah.

    21. YU

      It's not even that large, a leopard. It's like-

    22. CW

      Right, yeah, so try and do that to a leopard. Speaker 3: R.I.P.

    23. JO

      Oh, see what you mean.

    24. CW

      It'll be dead.

    25. YU

      Yeah.

    26. JO

      I see.

    27. CW

      Try and do that to an elephant, and it's gonna break through the clingfilm unless you can use, like, an industrial-sized roll.

    28. YU

      Elephants are, yeah.

    29. JO

      Got it.

    30. YU

      Like, I met one a few weeks ago, and it, like, realized how-

  6. 18:1425:26

    CrossFit mass gain + internet flirting + five-year visions

    1. JO

      Top tips for... Top... So Birch3107 has asked, "Top tips to get MASSIVE," falling caps, "doing CrossFit?"

    2. CW

      Good question. Um-

    3. YU

      It's not a peck of birch, is it?

    4. JO

      No.

    5. YU

      (laughs)

    6. JO

      Not with a photo of a man holding a log?

    7. YU

      (laughs)

    8. CW

      Um, I would say tips, tips for getting massive doing CrossFit-... just eat as you, e- eat as you feel that you need to because the output that you're going to be doing is so much greater than you're used to. Let's say that in a typical session, like a typical bodybuilding or fitness session, your total reps will be maybe 100, something like that, 100 or 120.

    9. YU

      Mm-hmm. Okay.

    10. CW

      Like across all movements, across all reps.

    11. YU

      Three sets of 10 with four movements, yeah?

    12. CW

      Yeah.

    13. YU

      So.

    14. CW

      Yeah. There you go. Whereas, in m- a lot of CrossFit chippers, which is where you've got multiple movements, you're gonna be talking like upwards of 300 or 400. So yeah, it's gonna be at a lower... Uh, your output's gonna be high basically and you're gonna be potentially training higher intensities more frequently once or twice a day. So just eat as much as you can. If you want to get massive, and if you want to use it to put on mass, I would eat as much sorine as is possible.

    15. YU

      (laughs)

    16. CW

      I would put-

    17. YU

      Sorine malt loaf.

    18. CW

      ... maltodextrin in your post-workout shake, and I would have, um, I'd have a spoonful of honey with every meal.

    19. YU

      (laughs)

    20. CW

      No, I wouldn't (clears throat) do that last one. That's a lie.

    21. YU

      (laughs)

    22. CW

      Can you read the very bottom screenshot please? Very bottom one.

    23. JO

      By DJ Slacky 18... No.

    24. CW

      Very bottom.

    25. JO

      The one about Tinder.

    26. CW

      Yep.

    27. JO

      (laughs) Wish I was in close proximity so I could match him up on Tinder.

    28. CW

      And that was a screenshot-

    29. JO

      Eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes.

    30. CW

      That was a screenshot of you, Johnny.

  7. 25:2626:53

    Love Island’s impact: identity, integrity, and whether he’d do it again

    1. YU

      "How would your life be different if you weren't on Love Island?" Chris.

    2. CW

      I get asked this question quite a lot, actually. I think this is duplicated a number of times. Who was it?

    3. YU

      Vissan Asiri.

    4. CW

      Nice.

    5. YU

      Mm-hmm.

    6. CW

      Well-pronounced as well. Um, interesting question. Again, it'll probably be quite unsatisfactory compared with what you think I'm gonna answer. So it would be that I would be in a, uh, my exposure would have been increased or something like that. Like, uh, you know, it's propelled me towards stardom and stuff like that. Whereas, quite to the contrary, it, as we learnt on the Love Island Podcast, it was the beginning of a, a little bit of a journey towards virtue because there was a difference between what I realized I was pretending to be and publicly was being and what I was with regards to my own integrity and stuff like that. So, (coughs) yeah, I, um, I think I would have still arrived at this point of doing more introspective work and challenging my own assumptions and kind of turning over the rocks of your life, for want of a better term, and looking at what's underneath, whether it's sort of good or bad. But I don't think that it would have happened as quickly. So for that, I literally can't be any more grateful for the Love Island experience because it was the kick up the ass that I needed, I think.

    7. YU

      So you were on that trajectory, but it just catalyzed-

    8. CW

      Yeah.

    9. YU

      ... the process?

    10. CW

      100%.

    11. JO

      It was a real line in the sand for you, I think, wasn't it?

    12. CW

      Yeah, very much so.

  8. 26:5329:26

    Drugs/PEDs in lifting: ethics, risks, and informed decision-making

    1. YU

      "Thoughts on drug use."

    2. JO

      So I'm trying to, I'm trying to pick, um, from different people. But we'll do that one.

    3. CW

      I don't mind. Just-

    4. YU

      Oh, this is from the same person.

    5. JO

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    6. YU

      "Thoughts on drug use and lifting at a strong level compared to the average gym-goer," from the same person. Depends what you define as strong, 'cause some people are like, "Oh-"

    7. JO

      Compared to the average gym-goer.

    8. YU

      "... I've, I've benched 100 kilos, time to get on the gear." And some would consider strong to be-

    9. JO

      I think they have to be separate questions.

    10. YU

      "Thoughts on drug use and lifting-"

    11. JO

      Just to maybe allow you to get into each concept a bit more.

    12. YU

      "... at a strong level."

    13. JO

      So what are your thoughts compared to the average gym-goer? What are your thoughts on drug use, steroid use? What are your thoughts?

    14. YU

      If it's n- if it's in a, if it's sanctioned in a sport, then-

    15. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    16. YU

      ... you can go crazy on it.

    17. JO

      I think as long as you are not competing in something that is ... that has a rule that says you shouldn't take drugs, and you're saying, "I'm not taking drugs," then it's fine.

    18. YU

      Like, yeah, my, my, my view is don't cheat in sports rather than-

    19. JO

      Yeah.

    20. YU

      ... do or don't take drugs.

    21. JO

      Yeah, that's a much better way of putting it.

    22. CW

      Yeah, I would agree as well.

    23. JO

      Uh...

    24. CW

      People can do ... People can put into their own bodies whatever they want. But-

    25. YU

      Yeah, you, you're gonna have to bear the consequence of that, and the more niche drugs you put into your body, the fewer endocrinologists are gonna be able to-

    26. CW

      Work out what the fuck's going on with you, yeah.

    27. YU

      ... engage with, to, yeah (laughs) .

    28. JO

      I'd le- like, learn about what you're going to do before you do it, do it scientifically.

    29. CW

      Or find someone who knows.

    30. JO

      Yeah, 'cause it's a different language.

  9. 29:2643:12

    Best recurring content: what they re-read, focus vs multitasking, and implementing advice

    1. JO

      What is the one book, article, podcast you've, do you f- what's the one, one book, article, podcast you find yourself returning to the most? By George McGill.

    2. YU

      It's, for me, it's Modern Wisdom with Chris Williamson.

    3. CW

      Thank you very much.

    4. YU

      Like, I've, I've been returning to this house to-

    5. CW

      (laughs)

    6. YU

      ... record for all of these fucking podcasts over and over again.

    7. CW

      (laughs)

    8. YU

      And then he brought this fan out, and he keeps feeding me caffeinated drinks.

    9. JO

      (laughs) Mine is a ... it's a Tim Ferriss article and podcast called, um, Productivity Advice for the Manic, Depressive, and Crazy Like Me. And it's, like, f- 10 minutes long, and it's basically just something that w- we talk about all the time, which is like, we ... Everyone focuses on pr- everyone thinks that the people that they follow online are these pictures of efficiency, productivity, and everything in their life is great. That's very rarely the case.

    10. CW

      Paragon of virtue.

    11. JO

      Paragon of ... But the people who are getting loads of stuff done in their life typically are fantastic at prioritizing and just focusing on one thing at a time.

    12. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JO

      And so his advice is, like, pick one thing to do every day, and just do that for two or three hours. And that's-

    14. CW

      As Dr., as Dr. Ewan Lawson said on, uh, Your Desk is Killing You, the podcast I did recently-... multitasking is for muppets.

    15. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    16. YU

      But it feels like you're being more productive.

    17. CW

      Yeah.

    18. YU

      Like the, the sensation of time passing accelerates when you're switching between tabs and doing things. You go, "Oh, I'm blasting through this." But actually, total output is terrible-

    19. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    20. YU

      ... if you're doing A, B, C, D, as opposed to just A, A, A, A, finish-

    21. CW

      Exactly what-

    22. YU

      ... and then B.

    23. CW

      ... exactly what Peter C. Browne says in Make It Stick on a recent podcast, which may or may not have been published before this one as well. (laughs)

    24. JO

      In the past or the future.

    25. CW

      Yeah. Focus. How about you?

    26. YU

      I, I also like where this question's come from, that it's, what's the one thing that you find yourself returning to the most?

    27. CW

      Yeah.

    28. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    29. YU

      'Cause I think it's very easy to read an article like the, the Manic Depressive Tim Ferriss article and be like, "Oh my God, that's such good advice. Great." And then two weeks later-

    30. CW

      Forgot it.

  10. 43:1254:37

    Embarrassing stories + the blunt fat-loss answer everyone needs

    1. JO

      Great answer. What's the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to you? Kiss hug, kiss hug, by Jessica Tyler, Taylor?

    2. CW

      Taylor.

    3. JO

      Fine.

    4. CW

      Um, during intercourse with a lady, she began to say the sentence, "Spit on m-" and got to the M in 'muh'. I thought that she meant me, as in her, spit on me. At which point, like a loaded gun, I unloaded a full mouth of saliva onto her face. She quietly wiped it off and said, "I meant my fingers." I apologized, laughed, and then continued. That's, that's up there.

    5. GI

      Mm-hmm.

    6. YU

      Spit, spit on muh.

    7. GI

      Spit on muh. (laughing)

    8. YU

      I'm really excited -

    9. GI

      There was some velocity as well.

    10. YU

      You guys know this already, which is dropping, losing 23 grand in a period of about 10 minutes. The, the full story of that is on another podcast.

    11. JO

      No, we never recorded it.

    12. CW

      We will do. We'll do live, we did live.

    13. YU

      We do.

    14. CW

      Live, live fails- Never went live. Yeah, live fails, we'll come back, um, but-

    15. YU

      Why didn't it go live?

    16. CW

      'Cause we didn't finish it.

    17. GI

      We never finished it.

    18. CW

      It got cut off.

    19. GI

      Oh, okay, fine. We've gotta, we've gotta-

    20. CW

      We lost 23 grand trading about-

    21. JO

      We'll have to restart.

    22. CW

      In how long?

    23. JO

      We'll have to re-, we'll have to record it.

    24. CW

      In about a ten minute period.

    25. JO

      What? No.

    26. CW

      (laughing)

    27. GI

      We were just trying to press one button.

    28. YU

      (laughing) It loses, you lose about six, six weeks off your life every time you realize that story.

    29. JO

      It's the prospect of like something that's been done, not being used is absolutely unacceptable.

    30. YU

      (laughing)

  11. 54:3759:20

    Training goals and CrossFit development: endurance, competitions, and rehab

    1. CW

      That's cool, man. Um, pretty cool one here. "What is everyone's short-term training goals? What total regional competition? Just a physique goal?" Question marks. All from Anabolic OD.

    2. YU

      Great username.

    3. JO

      Whoa. Anabolic OD.

    4. YU

      (coughs)

    5. JO

      700 kilo total in the 105 kilo class at Nationals 2018, weighing 100 kilos or less.

    6. CW

      But you're in the 105s.

    7. JO

      Yeah, but I want to... If I'm 100 kilos or less, I'll hit PB wilks.

    8. CW

      Nice.

    9. YU

      Yep. Disk herniation rehab, um, tumbeling and handstand goals, like get cork, or cork to cork. Um-

    10. CW

      That's the one-legged spinny flip.

    11. YU

      Yeah.

    12. CW

      Spinny flip.

    13. YU

      Well remembered. Yeah.

    14. CW

      Cork to cork is woo-woo-woo-bang, woo-woo-woo-bang.

    15. YU

      Yeah, just like a clap.

    16. CW

      That's really fucking cool.

    17. YU

      Yeah.

    18. CW

      That's cool.

    19. YU

      Oh, God. Um, but, yeah, at the moment, just hypertrophy. ... The foot.

    20. JO

      What's the thing? Is there like a ... I'd love to deadlift 700 pounds. Is there a, like an all-time-

    21. YU

      Pinnacle that people-

    22. JO

      Like, gymnastics version?

    23. YU

      The 700 pounds equivalent is probably-

    24. JO

      Iron cross?

    25. YU

      ... double cork. Oh, well yeah, j- yeah, gymnastics is, yeah, the r- iron cross. Like a strength, strength goal or something like that.

    26. JO

      Okay. I just mean, like a, in the community, what's like, "Fuck," like w- w- what's that?

    27. YU

      720? Double back tucks, um, s- yeah. So something like a 720. Like, where the more spins and then like only a few people on Earth have ever done a triple cork. And then, like one guy's done a quadruple. But he, he's like tiny. He's like s- 55 kilos and just the perfect-

    28. JO

      All in one.

    29. YU

      Yeah, just run (grunting) big run up. I think he does a couple of like pre-things and just, yeah.

    30. JO

      Goals.

  12. 59:201:22:04

    Mindfulness origins: Buddhism, depression, and friends who hold you to standards

    1. CW

      ... you would be fine. Um, here's a, here's a pretty cool one. When did you first get into mindfulness and looking after your mental state and why?

    2. JO

      It was something that Youcef said to me, which was that you ... it was the idea of, um, having no attachments, having no external attachments was the path to, like no suffering and being at, at peace.

    3. CW

      It's what Sam Harris says, isn't it? That for years and years-

    4. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CW

      ... con- contemplatives have used isolation as a route to discover whether or not happiness can be found in isolation of external factors.

    6. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    7. CW

      And for most people solitary confinement is considered the worst punishment in the world, but these people have f- found solace in that.

    8. JO

      Yeah.

    9. CW

      Um-

    10. JO

      I mean, is that right? Have I, have I blended that-

    11. YU

      No, you're right, yeah. Like n- no attachments, no aversions means that you've got ultimate freedom to-

    12. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    13. YU

      Like there's no suffering.

    14. CW

      You're not, you're not at the mercy of anything.

    15. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    16. YU

      Yeah. Like if, i- if you equate ... It's, it's the idea that if you have this circuit of desire, f- chase the desire, fulfill the desire, happy for a moment because the mind quiets on the fulfillment of that desire-

    17. CW

      Get that, get that.

    18. YU

      ... and then a n- new design comes up, and then you repeat that cycle. Whereas if you were to short-circuit that whole process, eliminate the desire, which you can do consciously through repetition, then you've got the quieting of the mind without having to go through that big loop and chase the desire and fulfill it.

    19. JO

      Mm-hmm.

    20. YU

      And then you've just got that from the beginning.

    21. CW

      Comp in fulfillment.

    22. YU

      On tap.

    23. JO

      What were the things you said about feelings of, from your retreat? Un-satisfactoriness?

    24. YU

      Oh, so the, the, yeah, the, the Buddhist approach is, um, everything is anicca, anatta, and s- su- sukka? I think so impermanence-E- everything is impermanent, unsatisfactory, and non-self in its qualities. And so the sooner that you can teach your nervous system that, not just consciously but, like, at a deep level, then you don't attach to anything, and you can just let experiences flow through you without having to grasp or push away.

    25. CW

      So it's everything, both good and bad, is temporary and never enough.

    26. YU

      Yeah.

    27. CW

      And as long as you... 'Cause, so it was, it was-

    28. YU

      So the reps of that are just, like allowing-

    29. CW

      ... reinforced that.

    30. YU

      ... those things to flow through you.

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