Q&A 101

Chris Williamson 0:00 (wind blowing) So, hello again. Hi.

Jonny 0:09 Hello there.

Yusef 0:09 Hi.

Chris Williamson 0:10 Joined again by Johnny and Youssef from pro pain fitness dot com. And-

Jonny 0:14 Youssef and Johnny.

Chris Williamson 0:15 Youssef and Johnny indeed. And we are today doing our first ever Q&A episode.

Yusef 0:22 This wouldn't be possible without the valuable contributions from you guys, so...

Chris Williamson 0:26 Our listeners at home.

Yusef 0:27 Thank you for the, uh-

Chris Williamson 0:27 Our listeners at home. So yeah, I, I posted and so did you guys on our respective Instagrams asking for people to submit questions. And we got-

Yusef 0:36 Really sensible questions.

Chris Williamson 0:38 ... um, some unsensible ones, but interesting ones.

Yusef 0:41 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 0:41 They were all interesting. And we got-

Yusef 0:43 I was being slightly facetious, but...

Chris Williamson 0:45 ... 60.

Yusef 0:45 Were there any mentions of, uh, Johnny's legs?

Jonny 0:48 There weren't actually.

Chris Williamson 0:49 No.

Yusef 0:49 Surprising.

Jonny 0:49 Which is very refreshing.

Chris Williamson 0:50 I wanted to ask myself the question why are Johnny's legs so long, but I couldn't.

Yusef 0:53 To ask yourself that?

Chris Williamson 0:54 Yeah.

Yusef 0:55 I see.

Jonny 0:55 It's very introspective.

Chris Williamson 0:56 Yeah, I know. So we're going to do Q&A today. There's a couple that have been asked-

Jonny 1:02 Oh, there are.

Chris Williamson 1:03 ... a couple of questions that people have requested remain anonymous. Other than that, I think we can just-

Jonny 1:10 Can I know who, who's anonymous?

Chris Williamson 1:11 It's fine for that, but just don't say it.

Yusef 1:13 Read out the usernames.

Chris Williamson 1:15 Youssef, you're muted again.

Yusef 1:16 If we can mispronounce the usernames as well.

Chris Williamson 1:18 Don't mispronounce the usernames.

Yusef 1:19 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:21 So, q&aa.

Jonny 1:21 Is it, is it, uh, client?

Yusef 1:25 Just in, just in an Arab accent for every username, please.

Jonny 1:27 Is it the same person?

Yusef 1:28 It is.

Jonny 1:29 Really?

Chris Williamson 1:30 What, the same person who's got the, the, got the single unique username which only exists for one person on Instagram?

Jonny 1:35 Well, yeah, but I don't know what his Instagram handle is, I just know what his name is.

Chris Williamson 1:37 Moving on.

Yusef 1:38 First name dot last name.

Jonny 1:39 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:39 Moving on, the first question is going to be-

Jonny 1:41 Quickly, swiftly on. Do you mind if I dib and dab or-

Chris Williamson 1:46 No.

Jonny 1:48 Okay. Um, can I straighten your hair?

Chris Williamson 1:53 No.

Yusef 1:54 Have you, you, yeah, you have straightened it. I've seen you straighten it.

Jonny 1:55 Can I straighten your hair?

Yusef 1:57 You can. It, I don't think it will be as dramatic as Chris.

Jonny 2:01 What does your hair look like straight? Well, I mean straight.

Chris Williamson 2:04 When I used to have, when I used to have an afro, I looked like a girl with a beard.

Jonny 2:08 I don't think that's true.

Chris Williamson 2:09 I looked a lot like a girl with a beard.

Yusef 2:11 The picture of you mid-haircut but it slicks back.

Chris Williamson 2:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jonny 2:14 Oh, yeah.

Chris Williamson 2:15 This photo-

Jonny 2:15 I thought it was, like, straight.

Chris Williamson 2:16 Uh, video man Dean, if I can find it, we will put it somewhere.

Yusef 2:21 I think put it on top of Chris's face for the rest of the episode.

Chris Williamson 2:24 Just there. If you are listening, you're missing out 'cause we've got three camera angles here. So I know most of you will be on iTunes or Spotify or whatever else, but Modern Wisdom YouTube channel. You can see us in our slightly overheated glory.

Jonny 2:38 Yeah, if you're listening, there's probably just a ...

Chris Williamson 2:41 A very, a very low level hum.

Jonny 2:43 Mm-hmm. Which is a fan, 'cause otherwise we would actually die of heat.

Chris Williamson 2:47 We would melt.

Yusef 2:47 You'd be able to see the glisten of sweat.

Chris Williamson 2:48 We'd melt in front of your eyes. Johnny is 120 kilos.

Jonny 2:52 130.

Chris Williamson 2:53 Right. Okay.

Jonny 2:54 Do you track macros?

Chris Williamson 2:56 That's for all of us, obviously.

Yusef 2:58 No. Not anymore.

Jonny 2:59 I do.

Chris Williamson 3:00 Do you?

Yusef 3:01 We discussed this on a live stream the other day that we, we don't.

Chris Williamson 3:05 Well, now I do.

Yusef 3:05 Because we graduated from needing to. Like, years of tracking means that you build enough momentum to not need to anymore.

Chris Williamson 3:13 I also don't track.

Yusef 3:14 You can do it by feel eventually.

Jonny 3:15 It's not fun for me to do them randomly. I'm gonna do them in order from top. I, I do track. Why don't you two track?

Yusef 3:23 So I've, I've explained.

Chris Williamson 3:24 Um, it's just too much effort for me. However, I'm about to start with, uh, Tim from We Dominate Nutrition.

Jonny 3:30 Okay.

Chris Williamson 3:31 And I'm also going to be on warrior programming as of the next couple of weeks. And as a part of that, I will be-

Yusef 3:39 Tracking macros.

Chris Williamson 3:40 I will be, uh, accountable. And if I don't, I will get shouted at off, uh, a guy who looks like Hitler's wet dream.

Yusef 3:46 (laughs)

Jonny 3:47 (laughs)

Yusef 3:48 Oh, yeah. He is.

Jonny 3:49 I think if you aren't naturally abs lean like you two are-

Chris Williamson 3:56 Hmm.

Jonny 3:56 ... realistically, you should try macros if you want to change.

Chris Williamson 3:59 If you want to get lean.

Jonny 4:00 Yeah, ob- obv-

Yusef 4:01 Well, well, yes.

Jonny 4:02 I think there's an argument to do it regardless, to be honest.

Yusef 4:04 Well, nex- next time I diet, I am absolutely tracking macros if-

Jonny 4:07 Doing that little huh?

Yusef 4:08 Maybe not. Like, but, uh, yeah. Or, or if, if I start doing a, a 90 day push of focusing much more on physique, then yeah, like, once things start to stall out. The, I think we take the approach of if something is working, don't fix it.

Jonny 4:23 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 4:23 And then we add in the levels of accuracy that are necessary to, to keep progress going.

Chris Williamson 4:27 The problem for me, the problem for me with tracking macros is I'm not naturally tremendously good. I've had to use the six-minute diary, is the only way I've ever been able to journal with a three-minute commitment in the morning and a three-minute commitment at night. Naturally, I'm not a facts and figures driven person.

Jonny 4:44 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 4:44 And the same way as if you are an unpassionate person in a job against someone who is passionate-

Jonny 4:50 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 4:51 ... it takes so much more motivation to compete. For me, to be able to do what other people do seamlessly. Some people track their water intake, track-

Jonny 4:58 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 4:58 ... you know, everything.

Jonny 4:58 I struggle with that for some reason.

Chris Williamson 5:00 Water intake.

Jonny 5:00 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 5:01 But you're fine with food.

Yusef 5:01 Well, what's the benefit to tracking your water intake? Like-

Jonny 5:04 I don't know.

Yusef 5:04 ... much easier to just get a two-liter bottle on your desk and fill it up with plastic.

Chris Williamson 5:07 Or just learn, learn the, if you learn the principles and embed the habits, after a while you don't even need to do them anymore.

Yusef 5:12 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 5:13 Um, so moving on.

Jonny 5:15 I really ... Interesting.

Yusef 5:16 Keep your urine clear.

Jonny 5:17 I can't remember what it was.

Chris Williamson 5:19 We'll come back to it.

Jonny 5:20 Like, it's a tracking nutrition, like, being attacked.

Chris Williamson 5:24 It will be really loud.

Jonny 5:25 What do your daily routines look like at the moment?

Chris Williamson 5:28 Who's that from? You're not put, you're not doing the people it's from.

Jonny 5:30 You said don't read people out because I'm anonymous.

Chris Williamson 5:31 I said there's only a couple of people who asked us to be anonymous.

Jonny 5:34 How am I supposed to know who those are?

Chris Williamson 5:36 Because they say. Roger.

Yusef 5:37 Everyone else, Arab accent.

Jonny 5:39 Roger that. Jordan Ayers.

Chris Williamson 5:41 Jordan, by the way, is, uh, sending me reading lists on almost a weekly basis over email. And they're all fantastic, so thanks.

Yusef 5:48 Same.

Chris Williamson 5:48 Thanks a lot. But Jordan is.

Yusef 5:49 We've done the same thing, Jordan. Appreciate it.

Chris Williamson 5:51 Man, he's awesome. So, um-

Jonny 5:52 I've not seen any of these.

Yusef 5:54 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 5:54 Well, we'll, we'll link you in.

Jonny 5:55 How have you been sent them?

Yusef 5:56 Through propane inbox.

Jonny 5:58 Good lord.

Chris Williamson 5:58 It's because you're not checking social media enough.

Yusef 6:00 Yeah.

Jonny 6:00 Instagram.

Yusef 6:01 I respond to people on private messages.

Jonny 6:02 Ugh.

Chris Williamson 6:02 There we go. Ugh, lads, lads, lads.

Jonny 6:05 You respond to people so I don't have to.

Chris Williamson 6:06 So what do our daily routines look like at the moment? Bloody hell. Um, okay, I'll be as, uh-

Jonny 6:12 Concise. Brief.

Chris Williamson 6:13 I'll take, I'll take the headlines as, as much as I can. So wake up-... outside, so I'm doing, uh, sunlight exposure now even if it's raining. So I'm-

Yusef 6:22 You've read Aubrey Marcus, haven't you?

Jonny 6:23 No. This is from Dr. Gregg Potter, who may or may not have been released on the Modern Wisdom YouTube channel and-

Yusef 6:31 I need to listen to that.

Jonny 6:32 ... iTunes. Um- Either the past or the future.

Chris Williamson 6:34 Well, yeah, you've... Again, we've broken the fourth wall of the scheduling of podcasts.

Jonny 6:38 You pushed it. I tipped it over.

Chris Williamson 6:40 Yep, fine. Okay. So, um, light exposure as soon as I get up. Coffee, porridge, water. Sit down. Meditate. Journal. Uh, sorry, journal, read, meditate. None of the while looking at my phone. Then get up, prep my food if I need to prep. If not, I've got a food prepping company that's doing it for me. Thank you very much, Spoonhead Nutrition. Head to the gym, train, head to the office, work, come home, and then either... My evening routine needs optimizing. It's where I'm worst at the moment, and it tends to be Netflix at the moment to chill out. I'm dialing back my double screening of phone and TV. And if not, I'll be at work or I'll be doing something social or potentially training twice if I've got it in me. How about you guys? Yusuf?

Yusef 7:34 Up, train, come home, cold shower, meditate, get ready for hospital. Go in, come back-

Chris Williamson 7:42 Get battered by the NHS.

Jonny 7:43 Admit yourself, admit yourself to A&E.

Yusef 7:45 Admit myself to A&E (laughs) from, from the cold shower.

Chris Williamson 7:47 (laughs)

Yusef 7:47 Get ready for hospital (laughs) .

Jonny 7:48 I still, I still feel that whenever you say, "Oh, I've got to go to hospital," my initial reaction is like-

Chris Williamson 7:53 "Oh, my bum, is wrong." (laughs)

Jonny 7:53 ... "Oh, my bum, are you okay?" I'll never get used to it.

Chris Williamson 7:55 "Well, I'm off to graft."

Yusef 7:56 Yeah, no, to clarify, like, put a shirt on, put a name tag on, go to hospital, totally fine.

Jonny 8:02 (laughs)

Yusef 8:03 Stand around at the hospital for a while, come home. Work on various projects. And recently it's the bedtime routine that's been the big thing for me.

Jonny 8:13 Focusing point.

Yusef 8:14 Yeah, so just trying to minimize screen time post 9:00 PM is the biggest bad habit that I have. Which it... And it's not even fun procrastination stuff. It's, like, shitty admin that's just low-level stress and keeps the mind momentum going before you go to sleep, so eliminating that. Red light, um, magnesium spray or ZMA ...

Chris Williamson 8:34 Where are you using magnesium spray? Lower back?

Yusef 8:35 Lower back and bum.

Chris Williamson 8:38 And bum?

Yusef 8:38 In and around my bum.

Chris Williamson 8:40 Hole?

Jonny 8:40 Anus or bum?

Yusef 8:41 (laughs)

Jonny 8:43 (laughs)

Yusef 8:43 For some reason I thought hole, like, the whole bum.

Jonny 8:46 (laughs)

Yusef 8:47 Not the bum hole. Um, yeah.

Jonny 8:50 The bum as a hole. Okay.

Yusef 8:51 I mean, that, that routine has collapsed this week-

Chris Williamson 8:54 It has.

Yusef 8:54 ... 'cause we've had, we've had a big push.

Jonny 8:55 Yeah. (laughs) Me too.

Yusef 8:57 But-

Chris Williamson 8:57 It's weird, isn't it? Like, your evening routine's so much fucking harder in the morning.

Yusef 8:59 Well, we were saying this, that the, the times that routine collapses, and self-care routines are the first things to go, even though they should be the things that-

Chris Williamson 9:07 Are when they're most needed.

Yusef 9:08 Exactly.

Jonny 9:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 9:09 It's when you're the most stressed that you meditate the least.

Yusef 9:11 You're like, "How am I going to find the time to meditate?"

Chris Williamson 9:11 Which is exactly when you fucking need it, yeah.

Yusef 9:13 And then it just falls through the day.

Jonny 9:15 I have.

Chris Williamson 9:15 Johnny, tell, tell us, um, 'cause you're the one that's going to be trialing something from Aubrey Marcus' ...

Yusef 9:20 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 9:20 Are you having a bo- are you having a bone broth?

Jonny 9:22 I, I, to be honest, I ... the book annoyed me quite a lot.

Yusef 9:26 Same.

Chris Williamson 9:26 Seize the Day by Aubrey Marcus.

Jonny 9:27 I think it leads you in, thinking there's some decent suggestions here, like, um, the, the hydration thing in the morning is interesting.

Chris Williamson 9:33 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 9:34 The light exposure is interesting. And then it just-

Chris Williamson 9:36 Before he knows it, you've, you've, you're throwing up in a bucket after letting another man have sex with your wife.

Jonny 9:40 Well, (laughs) and, like, the, uh, he argues the way that he's running a massive private company in America is because he uses a certain type of incense in his office. And I'm sorry, I just don't buy stuff like that.

Chris Williamson 9:52 (laughs)

Jonny 9:52 Moving on. Um, so my routine is, uh, s- probably s- very similar. I do ROMWOD in the morning.

Chris Williamson 9:59 Yup.

Jonny 9:59 I meditate in the morning. Uh, I try and read or listen to something in the morning. Normally listen on Audible.

Chris Williamson 10:06 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 10:06 Um, I do something called The Work by Byron Katie, which is ... had b- has been massively helpful. Um, I keep trying to lend Chris the book, but he just doesn't want it. Um, I journal in an Evernote file that's got, like, over 200 entries in that now. Just some interesting reading.

Chris Williamson 10:24 Nice.

Jonny 10:24 What else do I do? That's it. That's it. I've tried-

Chris Williamson 10:28 Trying to, trying to-

Jonny 10:29 So, uh, actually, recently I've been tr- I've been trying training later in the day.

Chris Williamson 10:33 Okay.

Jonny 10:33 Um-

Chris Williamson 10:34 After only just beginning to try to, try training earlier in the day.

Jonny 10:36 So I did, I did training in the morning for six months, more or less.

Chris Williamson 10:40 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 10:41 And it is good, but the trouble was just the amount of my ... You get to this point. And I know it's you start work later and finish work later.

Chris Williamson 10:48 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 10:48 I have this natural kind of disruption to my day from a work perspective, 'cause my girlfriend gets home at a certain time, and, like, to continue working feels wrong.

Chris Williamson 10:57 Yeah, fair enough.

Jonny 10:58 So I've got this, like, window where I've got to get my work done.

Chris Williamson 11:01 Routinely.

Jonny 11:01 Um, and the later I start, the more-

Chris Williamson 11:03 What? So what you're saying is that if your girlfriend gets home when you're working, that's a problem. But if your girlfriend gets home and you're not at home because you're at the gym, it's fine.

Jonny 11:10 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 11:10 (laughs)

Jonny 11:11 Well, so what, what I've been trying to do recently ... Uh, we had a business coach probably a year ago. And when I was talking to him about this, I was like, "I always struggle to, like, arrange these pieces in my day so that it's just, kind of, I run into the fewest problems." He was just like, "Just stop work at 3:00 PM."

Chris Williamson 11:26 Yeah.

Yusef 11:26 Yeah.

Jonny 11:27 And I was like... And I told you about this.

Yusef 11:28 Parkinson's Law just means that you just work to a deadline.

Jonny 11:31 So I've, I've done it two days this week. I find it really, really difficult to do.

Chris Williamson 11:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 11:34 It's like, start, d- do all those habits. Start work, finish at 3:00 PM. And lo and behold, on those days, got more work done.

Chris Williamson 11:41 Yeah.

Jonny 11:41 And then go to the gym. But you go to the gym at that time and there's just loads of people at the gym.

Chris Williamson 11:46 More traffic. Busier gym.

Jonny 11:47 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 11:47 Yeah.

Jonny 11:47 So I'm still searching for-

Chris Williamson 11:49 Optimal.

Jonny 11:49 ... the best time to train, but-

Yusef 11:51 The traffic's the problem, whereas, like, I'm cycling 200 meters listening to audio books on five times speed as usual.

Chris Williamson 11:56 (laughs)

Jonny 11:57 To be honest, the, the traffic in the gym-

Yusef 11:59 Just, "Ah." Six in the morning.

Jonny 11:59 ... like, the people in the gym is more the problem. Like, getting a barbell, getting a space to squat or deadlift.

Chris Williamson 12:04 And you're training in a gym which is much more well-

Jonny 12:07 It's massive.

Yusef 12:08 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 12:09 But, but yeah.

Yusef 12:09 Much better facilitated than others.

Jonny 12:10 Um-

Chris Williamson 12:12 I reckon-

Jonny 12:12 Yeah?

Chris Williamson 12:12 ... I reckon doing it in order is gonna miss out some of the real good ones, 'cause we're not gonna have time to go through every one.

Jonny 12:16 All right. Do you want me to just use my judgment?

Yusef 12:18 We'll go in order, but then just skip the shit ones.

Chris Williamson 12:20 Yeah.

Yusef 12:20 And then we can always come back and, uh ...

Jonny 12:21 Okay. What's the largest animal you could single-handedly cling film to a lamppost?

Chris Williamson 12:26 Who was that?

Jonny 12:27 ... sorry, Rob Ransom. Recognise that name?

Yusef 12:30 Horse because-

Jonny 12:31 No. Fuck off. A horse?

Yusef 12:34 B- Because-

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 12:34 (laughs)

Jonny 12:35 (laughs)

Yusef 12:35 Horse's, their, horse's brains are, like, this big. Like, they're not going to... Uh, I think if you can catch it in a-

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 12:40 Such a weird-

Chris Williamson 12:40 I think what you're talking, what we're talking about here is how docile is the animal. Exactly, yeah. Not-

Jonny 12:44 I'm, so I'm imagining it's off the ground.

Yusef 12:47 Oh, see, like-

Jonny 12:48 Well, yeah, 'cause there's a-

Yusef 12:48 ... around its back and it's-

Jonny 12:49 Otherwise, you just push anything up against a tree. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 12:51 Right, okay. So do that, do that to a leopard.

Yusef 12:53 Oh, God.

Jonny 12:53 A leopard?

Chris Williamson 12:54 Yeah.

Yusef 12:54 It's not even that large, a leopard. It's like-

Chris Williamson 12:56 Right, yeah, so try and do that to a leopard. Speaker 3: R.I.P.

Jonny 12:57 Oh, see what you mean.

Chris Williamson 12:57 It'll be dead.

Yusef 12:58 Yeah.

Jonny 12:59 I see.

Chris Williamson 12:59 Try and do that to an elephant, and it's gonna break through the clingfilm unless you can use, like, an industrial-sized roll.

Yusef 13:04 Elephants are, yeah.

Jonny 13:05 Got it.

Yusef 13:05 Like, I met one a few weeks ago, and it, like, realized how-

Jonny 13:09 How was it?

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 13:10 (laughs)

Yusef 13:10 They're, they're s- they're really nice, but they're just, like, if one s-... They're quite clumsy, and if one steps on your foot-

Jonny 13:14 Big old head on theirs.

Chris Williamson 13:15 Like, oh, fuck.

Yusef 13:16 Big old head.

Chris Williamson 13:17 Two-dimensional foot.

Yusef 13:18 Yeah.

Jonny 13:18 Yeah, okay. Um, single-handedly clingfilm to a lamppost.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 13:24 (exhales)

Jonny 13:25 Like, okay, if it can s- if it, if it can be on the ground, panda.

Yusef 13:29 Panda.

Chris Williamson 13:30 A panda. Have you ever seen someone just try and m- make a panda not roll down a hill?

Jonny 13:35 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 13:35 They're so naughty. They would not stay still at all.

Yusef 13:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Jonny 13:38 I think I could lure a panda into a position that would allow me to cling to them.

Chris Williamson 13:42 So bamboo.

Jonny 13:43 'Cause what you, what you'd have to do, stand with the... So you peel a bit off the clingfilm, grab it, throw the other bit over their, like, try and throw it round, and then run round, catch it-

Chris Williamson 13:51 Yeah.

Jonny 13:52 ... and then-

Yusef 13:52 It's gon- it's gonna get spooked with that, I think. And bears as well.

Chris Williamson 13:54 Yeah, yeah. You're moving far too quickly for it.

Yusef 13:55 Like, even though pandas are nice bear-

Jonny 13:57 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 13:57 ... they're still pretty-

Chris Williamson 13:57 What's really big?

Jonny 13:58 Panda, panda, panda.

Chris Williamson 13:58 Well, I mean, okay, how about this?

Jonny 14:00 Panda.

Chris Williamson 14:02 Blue whale.

Jonny 14:03 Blue whale?

Yusef 14:03 Yeah, fine.

Chris Williamson 14:04 Where's it going?

Jonny 14:05 I think it's more if it starts to thrash. Like, if a blue whale thrashes-

Chris Williamson 14:10 Espec-

Jonny 14:10 There's a thing about, like, the, when it flips its tail, if you're anywhere near, like, the, the vibration can kill you.

Chris Williamson 14:17 Under the water?

Jonny 14:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 14:18 Oh, my God.

Jonny 14:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 14:18 But you're not under the water.

Jonny 14:19 Massive.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 14:19 (laughs)

Jonny 14:20 And if it does-

Chris Williamson 14:21 I mean, if it does that-

Jonny 14:21 If it's flopping around in, like, a park next to a tree and there's you with your roll of cl- clingfilm-

Chris Williamson 14:26 Is it not a lamppost? Is it not a lamppost?

Yusef 14:28 Yeah.

Jonny 14:28 It is a lamppost. So, okay-

Chris Williamson 14:29 So what's it doing next to this tree?

Jonny 14:30 (laughs) Why, why am I in a park?

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 14:32 (laughs)

Jonny 14:32 So you, you're on a street with a blue whale, which for reference, you know, big-

Chris Williamson 14:36 It's gonna be a big street.

Jonny 14:38 Yeah.

Yusef 14:38 Big street running for kilometers with a really big roll of-

Jonny 14:41 (laughs) Kilometers?

Yusef 14:42 Yeah, really big roll of-

Jonny 14:43 Kilometers?

Yusef 14:44 All right.

Jonny 14:45 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 14:45 Well, I mean, to wrap it, it's gotta be kilometers.

Yusef 14:46 Miles and inch- running inches and, and, and stones-

Jonny 14:50 (laughs)

Yusef 14:50 ... everywhere.

Jonny 14:51 Oh my goodness.

Chris Williamson 14:52 Okay, so I think, I think that-

Jonny 14:55 Penguin. Definitely do a penguin.

Chris Williamson 14:57 Yeah.

Jonny 14:57 Couldn't you?

Chris Williamson 14:58 Yeah. Yeah, they, well, the thing is they've got, they're gonna have their, um, extensors, their, uh, quads-

Jonny 15:05 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 15:05 ... and they're just not gonna be able to... Like, how much power, uh, have they got in their feet, little feet?

Jonny 15:09 Yeah. I think you could, you could, you could... (knocks on hands)

Yusef 15:11 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 15:12 One hand.

Jonny 15:12 ... against it, yeah. And then-

Chris Williamson 15:13 One hand and just wrap it.

Jonny 15:15 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 15:15 Yeah, cool. Okay, yeah. I like a penguin. I think-

Jonny 15:17 I think it could be bigger than a penguin maybe, but-

Chris Williamson 15:18 I think funniest animal that you could do to that would be something like a flamingo.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 15:22 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 15:23 Because it would just be, it would just be its single head poking up and over. Yeah.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 15:29 (laughs)

Jonny 15:29 Yeah. Sloth?

Chris Williamson 15:31 'Cause it moves slow.

Yusef 15:32 Sloth would love it.

Chris Williamson 15:32 It's got very, very sharp claws.

Jonny 15:33 They're weird, aren't they?

Yusef 15:34 Sloth's rude.

Jonny 15:35 So weird. Um, you can talk to dogs for 60 seconds. What do you say?

Chris Williamson 15:39 That's not what it said.

Jonny 15:41 Y- (sighs)

Yusef 15:42 Who's it from as well?

Jonny 15:43 Andy Stoko.

Chris Williamson 15:44 Andy Stoko.

Jonny 15:45 You can talk to doggos for 60 seconds. What do you say?

Chris Williamson 15:50 I would ask-

Jonny 15:50 Was that because you write "doggo" on everything?

Chris Williamson 15:53 He does and we got it from each other.

Jonny 15:54 Got it.

Chris Williamson 15:55 Um-

Jonny 15:55 Oh, from each other?

Chris Williamson 15:56 Yeah.

Jonny 15:57 Meta.

Chris Williamson 15:58 Uh, Andy, I would ask, "Why do you sniff other dogs' bums?"

Jonny 16:04 Really?

Chris Williamson 16:05 "And lick other dogs' bums?"

Jonny 16:06 You've got 60 seconds-

Chris Williamson 16:07 Okay, so that's the first thing that I can ask.

Jonny 16:10 What-

Chris Williamson 16:10 I have 60 seconds. I don't have one question.

Jonny 16:11 What if it, what if it goes, "Well, Chris, it's quite complex, so..." And then-

Chris Williamson 16:14 Mm-hmm. I'll go, "Can we please-"

Jonny 16:16 (singing)

Yusef 16:19 "You see the, the dog, you see the pheromonal evolutionary selection of our species is involving the, uh, the smell and the crotch of the other dogs instead of-

Chris Williamson 16:26 (laughs)

Jonny 16:26 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:26 It depends on, it depends on who, which sort of a dog we're speaking to.

Jonny 16:29 I would ask it, "Are you aware of the concept of I?"

Chris Williamson 16:34 Hmm. Okay.

Yusef 16:39 I, yeah.

Chris Williamson 16:39 What would you, what would you ask?

Yusef 16:41 I'd speak to the dog with psychomotor retardation that we, we had a day with and-

Jonny 16:46 Yeah.

Yusef 16:46 ... just say like, "It's okay, man." Like, "Life is worth living."

Jonny 16:49 Yeah.

Yusef 16:49 "Don't be sad."

Chris Williamson 16:50 We, we, we, uh, we-

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 16:51 Mum.

Chris Williamson 16:53 All right.

Yusef 16:53 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 16:54 We went to, we went to look after a, a greyhound that was clinically depressed and had psychomotor retardation. Um, and we thought we were doing something really nice for it.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 17:03 (coughs)

Chris Williamson 17:04 And it turned out that it just didn't want to live really, did it? We threw a ball towards it and it flinched and, um, yeah, I'd li- I'd quite like to ask that dog what, what was wrong with it.

Jonny 17:12 What was going on.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 17:13 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 17:13 Yeah. I'd like to ask Andy's dog why it decided to eat half a kilo of raw cacao, which is the-

Jonny 17:19 Wow.

Chris Williamson 17:19 ... active ingredient in chocolate that kills dogs and would've been the equivalent of eating 15 kilos of chocolate. And then it had to be taken to the vet's to make itself sick.

Jonny 17:27 Was... But it was okay?

Chris Williamson 17:27 Yeah, it was fine.

Yusef 17:28 Wow. I mean, to have such a big poison dose.

Chris Williamson 17:30 Yeah.

Jonny 17:31 So-

Yusef 17:31 I think-

Jonny 17:31 There's a few that are directed at Yusuf, so, "What's it like being..." J... J Leader? J-J-I Leader has asked Yusuf, "What is, what's it like being the most handsome man in the North East?"

Yusef 17:45 It's, it's tough. Um, I think sometimes I'm having to just beat people off with a stick. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 17:52 Um-

Jonny 17:52 Hold on, what do you mean by "beat people off"?

Yusef 17:53 It's, it's actually not directed at me.

Chris Williamson 17:55 Beat people off. (laughs)

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 17:57 (laughs)

Yusef 18:00 Um, but it's, but that's very kind of you, but unfortunately the, uh, question wasn't just directed at me. I think-

Jonny 18:07 Chris, what was it like? What's it like?

Chris Williamson 18:11 Yeah, it's fun.

Jonny 18:12 Best answer you could've given.

Chris Williamson 18:13 Yeah.

Jonny 18:14 Top tips for... Top... So Birch3107 has asked, "Top tips to get MASSIVE," falling caps, "doing CrossFit?"

Chris Williamson 18:23 Good question. Um-

Yusef 18:24 It's not a peck of birch, is it?

Jonny 18:26 No.

Yusef 18:26 (laughs)

Jonny 18:27 Not with a photo of a man holding a log?

Yusef 18:31 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 18:31 Um, I would say tips, tips for getting massive doing CrossFit-... just eat as you, e- eat as you feel that you need to because the output that you're going to be doing is so much greater than you're used to. Let's say that in a typical session, like a typical bodybuilding or fitness session, your total reps will be maybe 100, something like that, 100 or 120.

Yusef 18:54 Mm-hmm. Okay.

Chris Williamson 18:55 Like across all movements, across all reps.

Yusef 18:57 Three sets of 10 with four movements, yeah?

Chris Williamson 18:58 Yeah.

Yusef 18:59 So.

Chris Williamson 18:59 Yeah. There you go. Whereas, in m- a lot of CrossFit chippers, which is where you've got multiple movements, you're gonna be talking like upwards of 300 or 400. So yeah, it's gonna be at a lower... Uh, your output's gonna be high basically and you're gonna be potentially training higher intensities more frequently once or twice a day. So just eat as much as you can. If you want to get massive, and if you want to use it to put on mass, I would eat as much sorine as is possible.

Yusef 19:27 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:28 I would put-

Yusef 19:28 Sorine malt loaf.

Chris Williamson 19:30 ... maltodextrin in your post-workout shake, and I would have, um, I'd have a spoonful of honey with every meal.

Yusef 19:40 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:40 No, I wouldn't (clears throat) do that last one. That's a lie.

Yusef 19:42 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 19:42 Can you read the very bottom screenshot please? Very bottom one.

Jonny 19:49 By DJ Slacky 18... No.

Chris Williamson 19:51 Very bottom.

Jonny 19:52 The one about Tinder.

Chris Williamson 19:53 Yep.

Jonny 19:54 (laughs) Wish I was in close proximity so I could match him up on Tinder.

Chris Williamson 20:00 And that was a screenshot-

Jonny 20:02 Eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes.

Chris Williamson 20:03 That was a screenshot of you, Johnny.

Jonny 20:05 'Twas, 'twas indeed.

Chris Williamson 20:06 Wish I was in close enough proximity so that I could match him up on Tinder.

Yusef 20:09 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 20:09 Now, what was... Oh, we don't, I didn't put the name in. And what you can do, for whoever it was that asked that question, it shall remain anonymous, buy Tinder Gold.

Jonny 20:19 Mm.

Chris Williamson 20:19 And you can actually change your location. Find out where Johnny lives.

Yusef 20:23 What's the purpose? Is that if you're going somewhere, like Iceland for example, that you can pre-

Chris Williamson 20:27 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 20:27 Drop yourself.

Chris Williamson 20:27 ... sweep in advance.

Jonny 20:28 If you're going to Iceland and you're an orthono- ortho- orthology...

Chris Williamson 20:32 (laughs)

Jonny 20:33 Ortho-

Yusef 20:33 Orthonology.

Jonny 20:33 Orthon- (laughs)

Chris Williamson 20:34 (laughs)

Yusef 20:34 Or- ornithologist.

Chris Williamson 20:35 That's it. There it is.

Yusef 20:37 He's expert at birds.

Chris Williamson 20:37 There it is. Right, what's next?

Jonny 20:40 Uh, some cracking ones here. Where do you see yourself in five years, Johnny?

Chris Williamson 20:47 (smacks lips) Ooh.

Jonny 20:49 Um.

Chris Williamson 20:54 (slaps thigh) Got to go for ideal scenario.

Jonny 20:56 Okay. Uh, propane's massive. I'm massive.

Chris Williamson 21:00 (laughs)

Jonny 21:00 And loads of stuff in my life's massive.

Chris Williamson 21:04 Penis?

Jonny 21:05 Oh, that's fine as it is.

Chris Williamson 21:06 (laughs) Okay.

Jonny 21:07 I think if it, if that scaled at the same rate, it'd be problematic.

Chris Williamson 21:11 (laughs)

Jonny 21:12 Scale at the same rate as, well then-

Yusef 21:14 Well no, 'cause then you'll have a relatively small penis if everything else was massive.

Chris Williamson 21:16 Yeah, exactly.

Jonny 21:17 Got it.

Chris Williamson 21:18 You're gonna be like a gorilla.

Jonny 21:19 So I'd, I'd like to improve multiple skills physically. Um, more on that in a later episode.

Chris Williamson 21:26 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 21:26 Maybe. Um, propane, great. Enjoy doing it. Want it to continue grow, help more people. Um, personally, I'd like to have explored meditation, self, self-development a lot more. I want to do at least one meditation retreat, see what that's like. Um, what else? That's all I can think of.

Chris Williamson 21:49 That's cool, man. Youssef?

Yusef 21:51 I like to be in a pair of long trousers.

Chris Williamson 21:53 Brogues.

Yusef 21:53 Down, yeah, down to my ankles, plus brogues.

Chris Williamson 21:56 (laughs)

Yusef 21:57 Um, the... Like, my answer's probably very similar to yours, Johnny, so I'm not gonna, not gonna bore everyone, but-

Jonny 22:04 More propane.

Yusef 22:05 More, more propane, more brogues.

Jonny 22:08 Yeah.

Yusef 22:08 And long trousers. I hope one day to be able to buy a pair of trousers that-

Jonny 22:12 Long trousers.

Yusef 22:13 ... cover my whole legs. Yeah, it'd be nice.

Jonny 22:15 You're gonna be a doctor, a Dr. Propane one day.

Chris Williamson 22:17 You are gonna be a doctor.

Yusef 22:18 Dr. Propane. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 22:18 I mean, at the very least you want to be a doctor, because you're almost a doctor now.

Yusef 22:21 Yeah. It's, it's funny 'cause nah being 80% doctor but materially doesn't like makes a difference at all.

Chris Williamson 22:29 It's exactly the same, yeah. Interesting.

Yusef 22:30 Yeah. And then it's only when you're 100% doctor that there's a ... shift.

Chris Williamson 22:33 What about spiritually?

Yusef 22:35 I think more retreats as well. Spending three months of total time under retreat would be lovely.

Chris Williamson 22:39 Under retreat?

Yusef 22:40 Under retreat. Five-

Chris Williamson 22:41 It sounds so intense, doesn't it? (laughs)

Yusef 22:42 Five years is, is not that long though, is it, to get, to accumulate-

Chris Williamson 22:47 Three months.

Yusef 22:47 Oh, man. Hickity ops.

Jonny 22:48 You got to do, what are we looking at? What's the frequency of that?

Yusef 22:52 It's about-

Chris Williamson 22:53 Lots.

Yusef 22:53 ... 15 days a year, isn't it? So, or no, 10.

Jonny 22:55 So it's more than one a year?

Chris Williamson 22:56 Maybe 20.

Yusef 22:57 Maybe 20. (laughs)

Chris Williamson 22:58 Um, so for me, um, at the moment I'd quite like Vudu to continue doing what it's doing. I think that there is a bit of a glass ceiling with regards to club nights and stuff like that. And I think that we're, we're kind of close to saturation. Newcastle City Council aren't granting any new licenses to licensed premises in Newcastle, so-

Yusef 23:15 Oh.

Chris Williamson 23:16 ... because of them, they are-

Yusef 23:17 They've fully stopped?

Chris Williamson 23:18 They haven't done for as long as I can remember, so... Like literally five years I can't-

Yusef 23:21 Are they trying to curb binge drinking and-

Chris Williamson 23:22 They just don't want, they don't want any new, not any more nightlife. They're okay with the volume of nightlife, they don't anymore. So we're restricted in Newcastle with regards to work. Um, I would like to have competed in my fir- and ideally won, but at least competed in my first CrossFit competition. That's a goal of mine over the next couple of years. I would add-

Jonny 23:40 That's separate to the open?

Chris Williamson 23:42 Yeah. Like, so competing-

Jonny 23:43 What's it?

Chris Williamson 23:43 ... competing in a CrossFit comp like Glacier Games or Reign Hill Trials. So the same as you going to an actual meet.

Jonny 23:48 Got it.

Chris Williamson 23:49 (clears throat) Um, and then I would quite like Modern Wisdom YouTube channel to hit 100k subscribers. I think within five years, that's easily doable. Like within two years, it should be doable. Um, and continue, continue helping people with the podcast because it's incredibly fulfilling to me and it's very, uh, it's new ground for me. So every day that I get to do it's a bit of an adventure.

Yusef 24:14 So all, all of this involves serving more people and growing more as people?

Chris Williamson 24:19 Mm-hmm. Yep, for sure.

Yusef 24:19 Great.

Jonny 24:21 Uh, where is your favorite place to be? Sophie Alarkin, Sophia Larkin has asked that.

Chris Williamson 24:28 Where's my favorite place to be?

Jonny 24:29 To be.

Chris Williamson 24:30 Probably embarrassingly in the gym.

Jonny 24:33 Okay.

Yusef 24:34 Hous- has to be home.

Chris Williamson 24:36 Ooh.

Yusef 24:36 (clears throat)

Chris Williamson 24:37 Blah.

Yusef 24:37 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 24:38 (laughs)

Yusef 24:38 It has to be at home, otherwise-... what are you doing if you're in a place that you, you don't like, and there's an oth- there's a separate place that you like being? I'm assuming, like, you mean city or place ute-

Chris Williamson 24:49 I think, well, I think it's ... So for me, when I read that question, I immediately think of, um ...

Yusef 24:56 Who's that?

Chris Williamson 24:57 You put your phone back on. You put your phone off.

Jonny 25:01 It's got to go. (phone thuds to floor)

Chris Williamson 25:03 Where are you going?

Jonny 25:04 Th- it was about to fall off.

Chris Williamson 25:06 No, it's not.

Jonny 25:08 It, it, it moved.

Yusef 25:10 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 25:10 Has that stopped it recording as well?

Jonny 25:12 It has.

Yusef 25:13 Was that-

Chris Williamson 25:14 Anyways.

Yusef 25:14 ... was that moment saying, you've, you've used too much screen time or something?

Chris Williamson 25:18 No, no.

Yusef 25:19 It was a call?

Chris Williamson 25:19 It was my mother.

Yusef 25:20 All right.

Chris Williamson 25:21 Sorry, Johnny's mother. Anyway, um, what's next? Just read one?

Yusef 25:26 "How would your life be different if you weren't on Love Island?" Chris.

Chris Williamson 25:29 I get asked this question quite a lot, actually. I think this is duplicated a number of times. Who was it?

Yusef 25:35 Vissan Asiri.

Chris Williamson 25:37 Nice.

Yusef 25:38 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 25:38 Well-pronounced as well. Um, interesting question. Again, it'll probably be quite unsatisfactory compared with what you think I'm gonna answer. So it would be that I would be in a, uh, my exposure would have been increased or something like that. Like, uh, you know, it's propelled me towards stardom and stuff like that. Whereas, quite to the contrary, it, as we learnt on the Love Island Podcast, it was the beginning of a, a little bit of a journey towards virtue because there was a difference between what I realized I was pretending to be and publicly was being and what I was with regards to my own integrity and stuff like that. So, (coughs) yeah, I, um, I think I would have still arrived at this point of doing more introspective work and challenging my own assumptions and kind of turning over the rocks of your life, for want of a better term, and looking at what's underneath, whether it's sort of good or bad. But I don't think that it would have happened as quickly. So for that, I literally can't be any more grateful for the Love Island experience because it was the kick up the ass that I needed, I think.

Yusef 26:45 So you were on that trajectory, but it just catalyzed-

Chris Williamson 26:47 Yeah.

Yusef 26:47 ... the process?

Chris Williamson 26:48 100%.

Jonny 26:48 It was a real line in the sand for you, I think, wasn't it?

Chris Williamson 26:50 Yeah, very much so.

Yusef 26:53 "Thoughts on drug use."

Jonny 26:55 So I'm trying to, I'm trying to pick, um, from different people. But we'll do that one.

Chris Williamson 27:02 I don't mind. Just-

Yusef 27:02 Oh, this is from the same person.

Jonny 27:03 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Yusef 27:03 "Thoughts on drug use and lifting at a strong level compared to the average gym-goer," from the same person. Depends what you define as strong, 'cause some people are like, "Oh-"

Jonny 27:13 Compared to the average gym-goer.

Yusef 27:13 "... I've, I've benched 100 kilos, time to get on the gear." And some would consider strong to be-

Jonny 27:18 I think they have to be separate questions.

Yusef 27:22 "Thoughts on drug use and lifting-"

Jonny 27:22 Just to maybe allow you to get into each concept a bit more.

Yusef 27:24 "... at a strong level."

Jonny 27:25 So what are your thoughts compared to the average gym-goer? What are your thoughts on drug use, steroid use? What are your thoughts?

Yusef 27:33 If it's n- if it's in a, if it's sanctioned in a sport, then-

Jonny 27:37 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 27:37 ... you can go crazy on it.

Jonny 27:38 I think as long as you are not competing in something that is ... that has a rule that says you shouldn't take drugs, and you're saying, "I'm not taking drugs," then it's fine.

Yusef 27:46 Like, yeah, my, my, my view is don't cheat in sports rather than-

Jonny 27:49 Yeah.

Yusef 27:49 ... do or don't take drugs.

Jonny 27:50 Yeah, that's a much better way of putting it.

Chris Williamson 27:52 Yeah, I would agree as well.

Jonny 27:53 Uh...

Chris Williamson 27:53 People can do ... People can put into their own bodies whatever they want. But-

Yusef 27:56 Yeah, you, you're gonna have to bear the consequence of that, and the more niche drugs you put into your body, the fewer endocrinologists are gonna be able to-

Chris Williamson 28:03 Work out what the fuck's going on with you, yeah.

Yusef 28:05 ... engage with, to, yeah (laughs) .

Jonny 28:06 I'd le- like, learn about what you're going to do before you do it, do it scientifically.

Chris Williamson 28:09 Or find someone who knows.

Jonny 28:10 Yeah, 'cause it's a different language.

Yusef 28:12 Yeah, it's a different-

Jonny 28:12 It's a different world.

Yusef 28:13 Just go on some forum, find some-

Chris Williamson 28:15 All right.

Yusef 28:15 ... pro scientist that you have no idea who he is, and just take their advice and go for it (laughing) .

Chris Williamson 28:19 Well, it's one of those things, like, you can get, you can get advice about stuff that has less dire consequences of people, and you can go on, like, just colloquial, local, inexpert advice. But really, biology is one of those things you can't cheat too much.

Jonny 28:40 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 28:40 Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be fucking about with your hormonal system.

Jonny 28:45 Absolutely.

Chris Williamson 28:45 So, absolutely.

Jonny 28:46 Uh, on the side-

Chris Williamson 28:47 Yeah.

Jonny 28:47 ... err on the side of safety. Uh, and, like, really think about what you're going, what you're doing before you do it. I think far too many people, people who've asked us-

Chris Williamson 28:55 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 28:55 ... for advice and questions on this, have said like, "Oh, I just started," blah, blah, blah.

Yusef 28:59 It's like, this decision-

Jonny 29:00 Yeah.

Yusef 29:00 ... has permanent consequences (laughs) .

Chris Williamson 29:03 Yeah. So that really ... Like, you're not, you're not just, sort of, making a decision that might affect the next couple of months. Like, it might affect the rest of your life, so give it the, the respect that's due. Yeah.

Jonny 29:12 Um, lifting at a strong level compared to the average gym-goer. You were right, they probably were linked, weren't they?

Yusef 29:17 (laughs)

Jonny 29:17 Oh, really sorry about that.

Chris Williamson 29:18 I don't think ... I think it's fine. We've got-

Yusef 29:19 That makes no sense.

Chris Williamson 29:19 We've done that one. On to the next question.

Jonny 29:21 Sure.

Chris Williamson 29:21 Um. (mouths ticking sounds) Lots of Love Island-

Jonny 29:26 What is the one book, article, podcast you've, do you f- what's the one, one book, article, podcast you find yourself returning to the most? By George McGill.

Yusef 29:38 It's, for me, it's Modern Wisdom with Chris Williamson.

Chris Williamson 29:42 Thank you very much.

Yusef 29:42 Like, I've, I've been returning to this house to-

Chris Williamson 29:45 (laughs)

Yusef 29:45 ... record for all of these fucking podcasts over and over again.

Chris Williamson 29:50 (laughs)

Yusef 29:50 And then he brought this fan out, and he keeps feeding me caffeinated drinks.

Jonny 29:55 (laughs) Mine is a ... it's a Tim Ferriss article and podcast called, um, Productivity Advice for the Manic, Depressive, and Crazy Like Me. And it's, like, f- 10 minutes long, and it's basically just something that w- we talk about all the time, which is like, we ... Everyone focuses on pr- everyone thinks that the people that they follow online are these pictures of efficiency, productivity, and everything in their life is great. That's very rarely the case.

Chris Williamson 30:24 Paragon of virtue.

Jonny 30:25 Paragon of ... But the people who are getting loads of stuff done in their life typically are fantastic at prioritizing and just focusing on one thing at a time.

Chris Williamson 30:34 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 30:35 And so his advice is, like, pick one thing to do every day, and just do that for two or three hours. And that's-

Chris Williamson 30:40 As Dr., as Dr. Ewan Lawson said on, uh, Your Desk is Killing You, the podcast I did recently-... multitasking is for muppets.

Jonny 30:47 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 30:48 But it feels like you're being more productive.

Chris Williamson 30:50 Yeah.

Yusef 30:50 Like the, the sensation of time passing accelerates when you're switching between tabs and doing things. You go, "Oh, I'm blasting through this." But actually, total output is terrible-

Chris Williamson 30:58 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 30:58 ... if you're doing A, B, C, D, as opposed to just A, A, A, A, finish-

Chris Williamson 31:03 Exactly what-

Yusef 31:04 ... and then B.

Chris Williamson 31:04 ... exactly what Peter C. Browne says in Make It Stick on a recent podcast, which may or may not have been published before this one as well. (laughs)

Jonny 31:10 In the past or the future.

Chris Williamson 31:11 Yeah. Focus. How about you?

Yusef 31:15 I, I also like where this question's come from, that it's, what's the one thing that you find yourself returning to the most?

Chris Williamson 31:20 Yeah.

Jonny 31:20 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 31:20 'Cause I think it's very easy to read an article like the, the Manic Depressive Tim Ferriss article and be like, "Oh my God, that's such good advice. Great." And then two weeks later-

Chris Williamson 31:28 Forgot it.

Yusef 31:28 ... you've forgotten it, and like... But actually the... And then you keep searching for new information and new stuff that you're like, "Well, I found the answer." The an-

Chris Williamson 31:35 Yeah.

Yusef 31:35 The solution is not in more information, it's in implementing the good advice already.

Chris Williamson 31:39 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 31:39 And so, like if you use Evernote, and we'll discuss this in life hacks, like save something down, put it into your shortcuts, set daily reminders for it, or weekly reminders, and just-

Chris Williamson 31:48 Build back up.

Yusef 31:48 ... keep it on the top of your mind.

Chris Williamson 31:48 So what's yours?

Yusef 31:50 Um, I've got th- there's a few that I've condensed into an e- so I've made it into a kind of bespoke thing that's kind of an amalgam from-

Chris Williamson 31:57 (laughs)

Yusef 31:57 ... a bunch of... But Tim Ferriss is fantastic. Like, uh, James Clear, pretty good. I c- I can share my list of-

Jonny 32:04 There's not one article or something that you've read where you're like, "That-"

Chris Williamson 32:08 Or a video that you keep going back to.

Jonny 32:08 "... specific thing had a big impact on me," or...

Yusef 32:11 Any- anything that I find like that, I, I put it into-

Jonny 32:14 You, you-

Yusef 32:14 ... the Propain podcast.

Chris Williamson 32:14 You like to condense and distill down, right?

Yusef 32:16 Yeah, so like, we're-

Jonny 32:17 And so-

Yusef 32:17 Like at, at Propain, we are... Yeah, we're condensers and distillers of information. And so like, there are... We, we, we do that. And so I suppose if you were to follow our podcast, it's very similar to Chris's, and like, it's the condensation of all of those things.

Chris Williamson 32:31 So for me, um, unsurprisingly, Jordan Peterson has probably had the single, in terms of a thinker, the single biggest impact on me. Um, the concept of taking responsibility and trying to shift the world as much towards good by being virtuous and, and acting the logos as you can. And if it was a single video, it's one that we mentioned in the Relationships 101 podcast.

Yusef 32:58 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 32:58 Which was Why We're Fated to Be Lonely by Alain de Botton on The School of Life. And I'll make sure that it's in the show notes below, or just search it on YouTube. Six minutes, and it completely, it completely flipped my worldview on how to, how to judge the quote, "It is both a blessing and a curse to, um, feel everything so very deeply." It just turned into a blessing for me. Um, and the curse, the curse was a byproduct the same way that a light bulb gives off lights, light, but it also gives off heat. So yeah.

Jonny 33:33 10 Tips for Financial Success by Anton Kreil.

Yusef 33:36 Oh.

Jonny 33:36 (clears throat)

Yusef 33:36 That's a good one.

Jonny 33:37 I, categorically, so that, that... It was on YouTube. I remember the day it was released, I was driving to my job, and I listened to it, got out the car, and was like, "I'm quitting my job."

Chris Williamson 33:49 That was it.

Yusef 33:49 You sound a lot like, uh, a guy called-

Jonny 33:51 On Tom.

Yusef 33:51 ... Anton Kreil.

Jonny 33:52 He might-

Yusef 33:52 Was it Chris?

Chris Williamson 33:53 Me that got accused of it.

Yusef 33:53 Whoever commented on that, we're well aware of Anton Kreil.

Chris Williamson 33:56 That and-

Yusef 33:56 Big, big fans.

Chris Williamson 33:57 ... Alan Watts, is it?

Yusef 33:59 Who said... So, what, Chris sounds like Alan Watts?

Jonny 34:01 No, no, no, no. The other, philosopher, A-

Yusef 34:03 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 34:03 Is that, is that what he is?

Yusef 34:04 Yeah.

Jonny 34:04 There's a, there's a bit where he's talking about, um, how to decide what you wanna do. And it's like, "What would you do if money was no object?" and he's working through that example. That's also fantastic.

Chris Williamson 34:13 Right, what's next?

Jonny 34:14 What do you think is the best thing you can add to the world or people around you? By Spark Fit.

Chris Williamson 34:22 Bloody hell. Yusuf.

Yusef 34:23 Bloody hell. (laughs) What's the best thing that you can add?

Jonny 34:26 To the world.

Chris Williamson 34:27 What can you, what can you give the world?

Jonny 34:29 Like what are you, what are you contributing to the world?

Yusef 34:33 Are they asking general, or me personally?

Chris Williamson 34:34 What do you mean? Uh, you.

Yusef 34:36 Like, uh, so us personally, it's everything we put across on Propain, like helping people grow mentally, physically, spiritually. Like, f- being, being able to do that with a minimum effective dose. Um, in general, it just depends on what you're, what your calling, what the value that you can add to the people is.

Chris Williamson 34:52 I think they're talking about you.

Yusef 34:54 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 34:55 There you go.

Jonny 34:56 There we go. I think just try to leave as many people as possible in a better place. Like, try and have a positive effect on the world.

Yusef 35:04 So the guy on 3:07 then.

Jonny 35:04 That's really what we're trying to do.

Yusef 35:05 Yeah. Well, there's someone who took that, and he... That was the advice that he got from his late granddad, and he said like, "Just anything you touch, leave it in a better state than when you found it."

Chris Williamson 35:14 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 35:14 So whether it's a bathroom or a person-

Chris Williamson 35:17 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 35:17 ... just always add value. And I think we just talked about relationships. Like, I think, uh, in long term relationships, if you can do whatever you can to upgrade the person that you're with, and then you leave them with a legacy that's like, after you've gone, they've... And you know, you say, "Have friends that want the best for you."

Chris Williamson 35:36 Yeah. I think, um, for me, at the moment, my, what feels like a little bit of a calling is helping people to understand themselves. Because our own minds are, can be pretty vicious beasts sometimes. And I think that this channel is quite swiftly becoming a portal for advice and things that I wish that I'd known ten years ago. And by being able to give that to people, remembering that my job is dealing with people who are exactly ten years younger than me, pretty much. So I'm practiced in it, and now I have the beginning of a platform to actually be able to, you know... There's an endless seven billion people that could potentially tap into this kind of advice. And, um, yeah, expediting people f- from avoiding... Uh, expediting people's capacity to avoid pitfalls and achieve goals.

Yusef 36:33 How was Love Island asks, uh, Pizza4Glue.

Chris Williamson 36:38 Watch the fucking podcast.

Jonny 36:38 'Cause yeah, I th- I think all of the Love Island questions, the best (overlapping dialogue) ... question is just go watch, go watch the, go watch that podcast.

Yusef 36:45 Newcastle or Sunderland?

Chris Williamson 36:47 Uh, my dad's a Mackem and I'm from Middlesbrough, so...

Jonny 36:50 So Newcastle.

Chris Williamson 36:51 Newcastle, yeah. There you go. Um-There's one about, uh, so MV Hunter has asked for advice on getting a gym and food routine after moving overseas. You recorded a good podcast with Chris about that, right?

Yusef 37:07 Yeah, so, well that, that, yeah, that was about-

Chris Williamson 37:09 That's how to get lean.

Yusef 37:09 ... getting lean for summer.

Chris Williamson 37:11 Oh, okay.

Yusef 37:11 Um, getting back into a routine, I think, don't think of your previous PBs as the things to shoot for. Like, reset the standards and just start from the beginning again.

Chris Williamson 37:20 I think, I think focusing on basics. So get up at the same time every day. Mm-hmm. Learn what your macros target should be, ish. Learn what the meals are that you need to cook for those, and then deal with that. Get yourself to the gym. Get a good training split. Whatever the methodology is, whether it be CrossFit, whether it be strength training, whether it be bodybuilding, whether it be yoga or Zumba or whatever it is, make sure that it's consistent, and aim to do it at least sort of three to five times a week. And enjoy. Like if you enjoy your training methodology, everything else will fall into place because you'll need to eat to support it, you'll need to sleep to support it, you'll want to perform as best as you can within that methodology, and you'll want to train more. You'll... Like, I train two times a day sometimes, and I don't... It doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel like a labor to me. Mm-hmm. It feels like a love. Something you want to do. Yep. I think the currency with success in this respect is the momentum you create by being consistent. Yeah. So if you've been doing something as Chris, Chris has described for six months, you're in such a deep crevice that you created - Greeded. ... that groove. Right. Falling out of that is actually quite difficult to do. It's harder to have a, a week where you completely mess up your nutrition.

Yusef 38:29 Pain of stopping is great-

Chris Williamson 38:31 Exactly.

Yusef 38:31 ... but pain of continuing.

Chris Williamson 38:31 The problem, what you're missing is that, so just fight to get that momentum back and find it again afterwards. Learn, learn the route to the gym. Yep. Learn the, where the pots and pans are. Like all of the little minutia contributes to making your day an awful lot easier. And another thing that we com- we, we talk about a lot is stacking the deck in your favor. Mm-hmm. So if there's something that you want to do, if you want to go to the gym, make sure that your gym kit's folded and in your bag before you go to bed at night. Yep. And then the next morning you just pick the bag up and it's ready to go. Like prep your food. If you don't defrost the chicken the night before, you can't cook it in the morning, which means that you break your diet the next day.

Yusef 39:03 So we've got another podcast on that. Yeah. So make the easy decision... Make the good decisions easy and the bad decisions hard. And then everything-

Chris Williamson 39:10 If you're, if you're diet- if you're dieting and you don't want to eat cookies, don't buy cookies. Don't have them in the house. Mm-hmm. There you go. Yeah, absolutely.

Jonny 39:16 Cool. Who would... Uh, Real Hazel James asks, "Who would you most like to interview?"

Chris Williamson 39:20 Oh wow. So- Hazel, thank you very much. She is a fantastic romance author from America. Right. And her husband is currently battling with PTSD and alcoholism, but is one year sober as of a couple of weeks ago, so-

Jonny 39:33 Awesome.

Chris Williamson 39:33 ... Hazel, congratulations. Lots of love to you and your husband. Um, what do you think? Who do you want to sit down with, one person? So my initial thought-

Jonny 39:45 No, can be one person.

Chris Williamson 39:46 All right. Okay. I'm gonna say a relative. Oh.

Jonny 39:53 So either, either my dad's dad-

Chris Williamson 39:59 Okay.

Jonny 39:59 ... or just someone in my past, like a great, great, great grandparent.

Chris Williamson 40:03 Nice.

Yusef 40:03 Oh, if it's dead or alive. Great. 

Jonny 40:05 Yeah, yeah.

Yusef 40:05 That opens up a whole-

Jonny 40:05 (laughs) Yeah.

Chris Williamson 40:06 Yeah, yeah.

Jonny 40:07 I just think, um... So there's a, there's a few stories about my dad's dad where, like, he es- he escaped from a prisoner war camp and stuff like this.

Chris Williamson 40:14 What nationality is he?

Jonny 40:16 British.

Chris Williamson 40:17 Oh, right. Where was he-

Jonny 40:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 40:18 ... where was he?

Jonny 40:18 He was in World War II.

Yusef 40:20 Wow.

Jonny 40:20 In Africa, I believe. Escaped from a prisoner war camp-

Chris Williamson 40:23 Oh my God.

Jonny 40:24 ... and like trekked over mountains.

Chris Williamson 40:26 What a story.

Jonny 40:27 And was like... Awesome story, yeah. And I just... He died when I was very young and would just love to... I just think there's so many lessons from that particular thing. Yeah. But I, I think everyone defaults to a famous person.

Chris Williamson 40:37 Yeah.

Jonny 40:38 But actually interviewing like, uh, uh, either on your, your mother's side or your dad's side, like someone who is generations before you, and just understanding more about them will be really interesting.

Chris Williamson 40:49 Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's cool.

Jonny 40:50 Yes.

Chris Williamson 40:50 That's a really different answer. That's awesome. So-

Yusef 40:52 I think you, Hazel. Hazel James.

Jonny 40:55 (laughs)

Yusef 40:55 I'd love to... No, but, um, I think that's, that's a good... I didn't expect you to say that, but actually yeah, like if we were to say Anton Kreiel, Tim Ferriss and who, like they've all been interviewed hundreds of times.

Chris Williamson 41:06 Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Yusef 41:06 And the kind of questions-

Jonny 41:07 Yeah, they've done interviews, so.

Yusef 41:07 ... that you would ask, like people have done that.

Chris Williamson 41:08 Yeah.

Yusef 41:09 So yeah, boring answer again from me, but it'd be my dad now like f- several years on, um, seeing what he would have to say.

Chris Williamson 41:16 That's cool. Yeah, I think I'll break the trend. It would be nice... So I've basically, I've... My grandmother died when I was three or four, so for me basically, I've no... I've very, very vague recollection of her, but essentially, like in terms of interaction, none.

Jonny 41:33 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 41:33 Might as well be none. Um, would be nice to speak to her. Um, I think sitting down with Marcus Aurelius as long as he was able to speak English, like-

Jonny 41:43 Yeah, that would be interesting.

Chris Williamson 41:43 ... would be-

Yusef 41:45 Oh yeah, like if the opportunity... If it's like Buddha, Jesus, like. (laughs)

Jonny 41:49 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 41:49 Well, I think- Yeah. But you know, out of, out of all of them, like Marcus Aurelius is a military like commander- Mm-hmm. ... who had a mindset that's lasted like 2,000 years. Yeah. So it would be pretty cool to sit down with him, I think.

Jonny 42:02 He's the source of like stoic thinking, isn't he?

Chris Williamson 42:05 Yeah.

Jonny 42:05 Or one of the... Um, (laughs) what are you laughing at? Just do it.

Chris Williamson 42:09 No, no, just, so-

Yusef 42:10 Just these are great -

Jonny 42:10 Just do it.

Chris Williamson 42:11 The problem, the problem with that situation, I would feel like if I was put in front of Jesus or whatever, it would be thinking like, "I'm gonna-"

Yusef 42:17 You'd have such asinine questions for Jesus.

Jonny 42:18 "I'm just gonna fuckin' sandbag this." Like if I'm the only-

Yusef 42:20 (laughs)

Jonny 42:20 ... person ever that's had a chance to ask this person questions... You come back and be like, "Guys, I spoke to Jesus." "What's the average cola?"

Yusef 42:25 (laughs) "Did you ask him this? It, like, ugh."

Chris Williamson 42:27 I asked him if he was gluten intolerant.

Jonny 42:28 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 42:29 (laughs)

Yusef 42:29 (laughs)

Jonny 42:29 I froze. I, I was like, "Do you like-

Chris Williamson 42:31 "What's your bench?"

Jonny 42:32 ... bread? 'Cause I like bread."

Chris Williamson 42:33 Yeah.

Jonny 42:33 You know what actually would be really interesting to see? Go back to like the time when all the statues were created and see if anyone actually was in as good a shape as the statues imply.

Chris Williamson 42:40 Mm-hmm. And if they were, what were they doing?

Jonny 42:43 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 42:44 Give me that protocol.

Yusef 42:44 It's some berry.

Chris Williamson 42:45 I bet it's the excession in the water.

Yusef 42:48 That they've gone extinct now. Must be-

Chris Williamson 42:48 You know what I think it is? Bone broth, first thing in the morning.

Jonny 42:50 Bone broth. Bone broth.

Chris Williamson 42:51 Awesome.

Jonny 42:51 Any chance, Chri- you read it. You know who it is.

Yusef 42:53 I love this.

Jonny 42:54 Who are you being excited about this morning?

Yusef 42:55 Re- Reb s- Rebster Jebs.

Jonny 42:57 Reb Jebs.

Yusef 42:58 Says, "Any chance you fancy being my personal trainer?"... brackets, and I mean that in every sense of the word personal. Winky face.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 43:06 Excellent. Rhymes with James.

Chris Williamson 43:08 This has got to be either a yes or a no. I'm unqualified, no.

Jonny 43:12 Great answer. What's the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to you? Kiss hug, kiss hug, by Jessica Tyler, Taylor?

Chris Williamson 43:21 Taylor.

Jonny 43:22 Fine.

Chris Williamson 43:23 Um, during intercourse with a lady, she began to say the sentence, "Spit on m-" and got to the M in 'muh'. I thought that she meant me, as in her, spit on me. At which point, like a loaded gun, I unloaded a full mouth of saliva onto her face. She quietly wiped it off and said, "I meant my fingers." I apologized, laughed, and then continued. That's, that's up there.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:01 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 44:02 Spit, spit on muh.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:03 Spit on muh. (laughing)

Yusef 44:06 I'm really excited -

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:06 There was some velocity as well.

Yusef 44:08 You guys know this already, which is dropping, losing 23 grand in a period of about 10 minutes. The, the full story of that is on another podcast.

Jonny 44:18 No, we never recorded it.

Chris Williamson 44:19 We will do. We'll do live, we did live.

Yusef 44:20 We do.

Chris Williamson 44:21 Live, live fails- Never went live. Yeah, live fails, we'll come back, um, but-

Yusef 44:24 Why didn't it go live?

Chris Williamson 44:25 'Cause we didn't finish it.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:26 We never finished it.

Chris Williamson 44:27 It got cut off.

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:27 Oh, okay, fine. We've gotta, we've gotta-

Chris Williamson 44:30 We lost 23 grand trading about-

Jonny 44:32 We'll have to restart.

Chris Williamson 44:32 In how long?

Jonny 44:34 We'll have to re-, we'll have to record it.

Chris Williamson 44:34 In about a ten minute period.

Jonny 44:36 What? No.

Chris Williamson 44:37 (laughing)

Guest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection) 44:38 We were just trying to press one button.

Yusef 44:41 (laughing) It loses, you lose about six, six weeks off your life every time you realize that story.

Jonny 44:45 It's the prospect of like something that's been done, not being used is absolutely unacceptable.

Yusef 44:50 (laughing)

Jonny 44:50 Mine's really mundane.

Chris Williamson 44:52 What's yours?

Jonny 44:52 So this was when I was an accountant, early, early in my career, like probably the first two or three weeks. Um, the... So the way the day panned out was, um, used to train in my garage in the morning. So I'm in my garage squatting and really hard set. It's the only time this has ever happened to me. My, my nose just completely popped, so like blood just went like that mid rep, and I spat the blood all over the garage. It's like, you're like pretty intense morning, like pretty, feeling pretty fragile. Get to work, walk in, very sort of fabricated office environment, very bright lights. Like, (exhaling) you're like 10 minutes ago I'm bleeding all over the garage and now I'm here. Sit down, and as I sat down, just heard the entire gusset of my trousers just go...

Yusef 45:37 (laughing)

Chris Williamson 45:38 (laughing)

Jonny 45:38 And you're like, I'm in this office in Tees Valley auditing this company thinking, "I've got the entire day to just deal with this." So I ended up, the way I dealt with it, because it went all the way up the back of my ass. So you could...

Chris Williamson 45:49 Do you think this was due to quad padding from the-

Jonny 45:51 Flapping, prob- probably.

Chris Williamson 45:52 From the squats?

Jonny 45:53 I just walked around in my jacket on the whole day and like-

Yusef 45:55 Tried to hope for the best there.

Jonny 45:56 Yeah.

Yusef 45:57 Just stayed in one piece.

Chris Williamson 45:57 Little bit of posterior, posterior tilt.

Jonny 45:59 So not, not embarrassing, but like that kind of like socially awkward, like nasty-

Chris Williamson 46:04 Hyper awkwardness.

Yusef 46:04 So, that, that reminds me, I've had a very similar thing, which was, um, front squatting in the gym and then went to the bathroom, came back, finished my session, left, and then realized... It was a very, it was a very busy gym. Realized that, um, I was wearing like swimming shorts for some reason. I must have like not had my kit available and it's one of those flies that doesn't...

Jonny 46:28 Flaps open.

Yusef 46:29 Yeah, it just flaps open and I had full penis out for, I don't know how long, like probably since I went-

Chris Williamson 46:34 (laughing)

Yusef 46:34 ... to the toilet for an hour afterwards walking around.

Jonny 46:36 There's a story.

Yusef 46:37 Didn't get put on the, uh...

Jonny 46:38 On the register.

Yusef 46:39 ... offenders registry, so that's...

Jonny 46:39 You're not on any lists. Well, I suppose you might not know.

Chris Williamson 46:41 Right. Um, so there's a question here. I'm not going to say the person, because I think that's what they mean. How do I lose weight? And then in brackets, please don't post this. I presume that you mean please don't say who posted this as opposed to please don't post this.

Yusef 46:55 As I said-

Chris Williamson 46:55 Because if that is the case, then the question was completely, the name wasn't it?

Yusef 46:59 Void.

Chris Williamson 47:00 How do I lose weight? Calorie fucking deficit mate.

Yusef 47:03 Listen to the Get Lean for Summer podcast.

Chris Williamson 47:06 Or just go to propanefitness.com/...

Jonny 47:09 Calculator.

Chris Williamson 47:10 Calculator.

Jonny 47:10 Calculator, that's it.

Chris Williamson 47:11 That's where to begin. Um, let's do some quick fire ones. What is your favorite non-alcoholic beverage? Coffee.

Jonny 47:17 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 47:18 Oh yeah.

Jonny 47:18 That's good. For some reason I was starting to think like Vimto, Fanta, like foot-

Chris Williamson 47:22 Coffee.

Jonny 47:22 Absolutely coffee.

Chris Williamson 47:23 Yeah.

Yusef 47:23 Now, I've, uh...

Chris Williamson 47:24 Ah.

Yusef 47:25 I've just bought a blender and I've been making blueberry, pineapple and parma violet smoothie. Really nice.

Chris Williamson 47:31 This is him doing green smoothies.

Yusef 47:33 (laughing)

Chris Williamson 47:33 The Scoby way. Parma violet. What is your second favorite animal? Donkey.

Yusef 47:44 Whippet.

Chris Williamson 47:46 That's not a animal.

Yusef 47:46 (laughing)

Chris Williamson 47:46 Whippet's not an animal. That's a dog.

Yusef 47:48 Okay.

Chris Williamson 47:49 What's your first favorite animal?

Yusef 47:51 Tortoise. No, it's not...

Chris Williamson 47:52 Oh, fair enough then. Well, fair enough.

Yusef 47:56 (sighs)

Chris Williamson 47:56 You see, it can't be dog, whippet. I was just checking that's what it was and what, what it was.

Jonny 47:59 Do you not think? You know that we're getting, we're getting asked these questions and no one's... The integrity of our answers, for the most part, there's not a whole lot of pressure on, but it feels like there's an awful lot of pressure on.

Chris Williamson 48:11 Uh, I've got to get this right.

Yusef 48:12 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 48:12 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 48:12 Yeah.

Jonny 48:13 What's your second favorite animal?

Yusef 48:14 Say any animal. Giraffe.

Chris Williamson 48:17 See, but just think about that one.

Jonny 48:18 I was just going to find that...

Chris Williamson 48:18 Yeah, but is it?

Jonny 48:19 How do I know?

Yusef 48:19 Well, well, that's it. Like I, how-

Chris Williamson 48:21 Is it even now? Is it at the moment?

Yusef 48:22 No.

Jonny 48:23 Right. So what is it then?

Yusef 48:24 (laughing) It's because to say like dog is it, is such a lame answer. That is hot.

Chris Williamson 48:29 Yeah. Hot trash.

Jonny 48:29 Goodness me. Should we move on? (laughing) I don't think, don't think-

Yusef 48:33 Because I just got rubbish, rubbish answer.

Jonny 48:35 Don't pull him off the question.

Chris Williamson 48:35 I haven't done mine. Right, okay.

Jonny 48:36 Okay. What's yours?

Chris Williamson 48:37 Second favorite animal?

Jonny 48:38 Yeah. It's a donkey, isn't it?

Yusef 48:42 See...

Chris Williamson 48:42 Yeah, it's donkey, you're right.

Yusef 48:43 Oh, there's an Egyptian zoo that has recently been rumbled for painting a donkey like a zebra.

Jonny 48:47 Wow.

Yusef 48:48 Which is very Egyptian.

Chris Williamson 48:49 Just hoping for the best.

Jonny 48:49 Real entrepreneurs.

Yusef 48:50 Was such an Egyptian thing to do.

Chris Williamson 48:51 What if it rains?

Yusef 48:52 Cutting corners.

Jonny 48:53 Fuck, then you got a real special zebra.

Chris Williamson 48:54 And this is a, this is a really good one. What do you think are the most attractive qualities a girl can have? Official...... offficial, Official Tyra Tucker. "What do you think are the most attractive qualities a girl can have?" Um, so we've just recently done a podcast on relationships, where I say about women, um, laying down hurdles for men. And for me personally, it's being kept on my toes. As soon as a, as soon as you know that you've got a girl, there's a, the, the challenge and the back and forth and the excitement. Like, I need to... For me, it's being kept on my toes.

Jonny 49:36 Sense of humor.

Chris Williamson 49:37 Mm-hmm.

Jonny 49:38 Not taking themselves too seriously. And being motivated towards something.

Chris Williamson 49:43 Nice.

Jonny 49:44 Being motivated to achieve something.

Chris Williamson 49:45 Nice.

Yusef 49:46 Yeah. W- all very good. Uh, proactivity, so the lack of complacency, not resting on your laurels for any of your existing good qualities.

Chris Williamson 49:53 Hmm.

Yusef 49:53 And just making an effort. Those are some-

Jonny 49:56 Always pushing that wilks.

Yusef 49:57 Always pushing your wilks, basically.

Chris Williamson 49:59 That's, that is a fucking good framework for being a, a girl there.

Jonny 50:03 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 50:03 Or a guy, actually, to be honest. Um, would you ever-

Jonny 50:06 Even better, girls and guys. That's (inaudible) .

Yusef 50:07 Yeah. Well, th- the, not taking yourself seriously is huge.

Jonny 50:10 Massive.

Yusef 50:10 Because like, if you have someone who-

Jonny 50:11 Makes you invincible.

Chris Williamson 50:12 Not cha- not chasing, um, or not being reliant on public opinion, not-

Yusef 50:17 Hmm.

Jonny 50:18 Okay.

Chris Williamson 50:18 ... just being reliant on, uh, validation is a, like a big part of that as well.

Jonny 50:21 Ego is the enemy, obstacle is the way.

Chris Williamson 50:23 (laughs) Ryan Holiday.

Jonny 50:24 Zayn.

Chris Williamson 50:25 "Would you ever date a guy if you fancied them?"

Jonny 50:28 No.

Yusef 50:29 Well, yeah. If I fancied them, like, by definition.

Chris Williamson 50:32 I suppose, yeah, that's a-

Yusef 50:33 W- would, would you eat some pizza-

Chris Williamson 50:33 But would you-

Yusef 50:34 ... if you were hungry?

Chris Williamson 50:35 But would you, would you, would you eat a guy if... Would you-

Jonny 50:36 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 50:36 Would I eat a guy? Would you eat a guy? Would you date a guy if you fancied them? Because there's gonna be social stigma, there's gonna be a bunch of other things.

Jonny 50:42 I think so... Okay, so, uh, I think-

Chris Williamson 50:43 You'd have to leave your girlfriend.

Jonny 50:44 The question is, if I felt like I was gay, would I pursue that avenue?

Chris Williamson 50:47 No.

Jonny 50:48 Well, s- surely that is the question.

Chris Williamson 50:50 No. If you fancied a guy-

Jonny 50:52 But I'm not gay.

Chris Williamson 50:53 ... would you date them?

Yusef 50:55 I think to be... Like, it's-

Jonny 50:56 No.

Yusef 50:56 ... it's 2018 now. Like, to be able to, to, to, to be afraid of pursuing a man that I fancied, because-

Jonny 51:03 Well, I think, so I think, so I think bravery about yourself you're talking here.

Chris Williamson 51:05 I think, but let's reframe the question okay? So you, you're in the relationship you're currently in.

Jonny 51:08 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 51:09 You meet a girl that you find attractive and you fancy.

Yusef 51:11 Okay.

Chris Williamson 51:12 Do you date her?

Yusef 51:13 No.

Jonny 51:14 So that, that, that's why I'm saying I think there's a-

Yusef 51:16 I see. So, so you're saying within the current constraints of it.

Chris Williamson 51:18 Yeah. Okay. So I'm the only one, I'm the only one in this-

Jonny 51:20 So you would date a guy.

Chris Williamson 51:21 ... don't... that's single. So yeah, like, give me some dick.

Yusef 51:23 (laughs)

Jonny 51:24 So you want some dick?

Chris Williamson 51:25 Give me some dick.

Yusef 51:25 So just that man's dick?

Chris Williamson 51:26 So there's two questions that are side by side.

Jonny 51:28 I reckon we can organize you some dick. Like, then we s- we can crowdsource, crowdsource some dick.

Chris Williamson 51:31 We can. Y- but I'd only want one.

Yusef 51:33 Y- yeah. I can hear your-

Chris Williamson 51:33 I don't want multiple.

Yusef 51:34 ... private message inbox just filling up.

Chris Williamson 51:35 I don't want multiple dicks. I'm not, I'm not even gonna have one yet.

Jonny 51:39 Yeah, but you can have... If there's only one offer for a dick, you only have one to choose from. You need to have some options.

Chris Williamson 51:42 I, I've, I haven't had one.

Jonny 51:44 Okay.

Chris Williamson 51:44 And I feel like opening up with, like-

Jonny 51:46 You want a sampler, a starter?

Chris Williamson 51:47 ... yeah, like getting like a, a whole fucking hotdog factory of them-

Jonny 51:51 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:51 ... is gonna be overwhelming.

Yusef 51:52 It's gonna be too much.

Jonny 51:53 You want like an anti-pasti platter, don't you? To try...

Chris Williamson 51:55 Yeah.

Yusef 51:56 You have to progressively overload it.

Jonny 51:58 I want a cocktail sausage, yeah.

Chris Williamson 51:59 I want a cocktail sausage to begin with. There's two questions side by side here. "Would you ever go back on Love Island?" And "If you could do, do Love Island again, would you?" Um, right now, yes, I would, because I would be set for life and I would get a million followers, and that would allow me to pursue this interest without, um, diluting it or convoluting it or doing anything like that. It would... It's just a platform now.

Jonny 52:21 What about the potential social, emotional fallout?

Chris Williamson 52:26 Wouldn't be any. I'm as robust as I've ever been right now.

Jonny 52:30 Okay.

Chris Williamson 52:31 Um...

Yusef 52:32 I suppose you've done it once and you were, you were okay. Like, it was boring at times, but...

Chris Williamson 52:36 "So what is something that had connected you with a partner at a deeper level?" SSparkfit.

Yusef 52:47 I think going through any kind of, uh, collective tragedy with someone, or like any adversity always brings you closer together.

Chris Williamson 52:53 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 52:53 Well, or it can, it can test it and might not, but it's, it... I think you don't know what quality someone is until you've been through thick and thin with them.

Jonny 53:04 Mm-hmm. Something that brought Youssef and I closer together was when we tried to sell our first ever ebook online, and uh... (laughs)

Yusef 53:13 Oh, no. Yeah.

Jonny 53:15 I think us going to Iceland brought us together.

Yusef 53:17 Bloody hell.

Jonny 53:17 There's the three. Yeah.

Yusef 53:18 The shindoms. The cold.

Jonny 53:19 I think the, I think collectively, like, we managed to find fun amongst persistent, overwhelming adversity.

Yusef 53:25 And extreme temperature, and yeah.

Jonny 53:30 Youssef made me an egg.

Chris Williamson 53:32 Uh-

Jonny 53:32 And then I had skyr late at night.

Chris Williamson 53:33 Yeah, it was.

Jonny 53:34 Several times.

Chris Williamson 53:35 Um, for me, it's probably MDMA. Like...

Jonny 53:38 MDMA.

Chris Williamson 53:38 MDMA.

Jonny 53:39 Okay.

Chris Williamson 53:39 If you were the, if you-

Yusef 53:40 Oh, that's the, that's the most like, reliable way to engineer-

Jonny 53:44 A deep connection with someone.

Chris Williamson 53:45 ... a deep connection with someone.

Yusef 53:45 ... communion with someone, isn't it? Yeah.

Chris Williamson 53:46 Take MDMA, get them to take MDMA, sit in a room and look at them, and-

Jonny 53:51 Filming.

Chris Williamson 53:51 ... do pretty boundless love. Yeah. Um, this is really-

Yusef 53:54 If you want to do it without the MDMA, there's lots of, uh... So, look at David Deida, The Way of the Superior Man and his counterpart exercises. There's a lot of partner exercises where you sit opposite your partner and look into their eyes for a long period, and you breathe with them. One breathes in, the other breathes out, and then-

Chris Williamson 54:12 Like a two-way meditation.

Yusef 54:13 Sort of. And then you say, out of ten, how present you feel with them, and they say how present they feel with you. And when it starts to drop, you know, you say, "Oh, four, three, seven, eight, nine..." And you just do that for-

Chris Williamson 54:25 David Deida, Way of the Superior Man, and there's partner exercises. Are they in the book?

Yusef 54:28 Yeah, they're actually fantastic. I really want to try them, and I'm very-

Chris Williamson 54:32 Awesome.

Yusef 54:32 ... grateful that the person I'm with c- is, is up for that and isn't just like-

Chris Williamson 54:36 Prepared to do that.

Yusef 54:36 ... "Well, that's weird. Like, I'm not doing that."

Chris Williamson 54:37 That's cool, man. Um, pretty cool one here. "What is everyone's short-term training goals? What total regional competition? Just a physique goal?" Question marks. All from Anabolic OD.

Yusef 54:50 Great username.

Jonny 54:51 Whoa. Anabolic OD.

Yusef 54:54 (coughs)

Jonny 54:55 700 kilo total in the 105 kilo class at Nationals 2018, weighing 100 kilos or less.

Chris Williamson 55:01 But you're in the 105s.

Jonny 55:03 Yeah, but I want to... If I'm 100 kilos or less, I'll hit PB wilks.

Chris Williamson 55:07 Nice.

Yusef 55:08 Yep. Disk herniation rehab, um, tumbeling and handstand goals, like get cork, or cork to cork. Um-

Chris Williamson 55:16 That's the one-legged spinny flip.

Yusef 55:18 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:18 Spinny flip.

Yusef 55:19 Well remembered. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:20 Cork to cork is woo-woo-woo-bang, woo-woo-woo-bang.

Yusef 55:22 Yeah, just like a clap.

Chris Williamson 55:23 That's really fucking cool.

Yusef 55:24 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 55:24 That's cool.

Yusef 55:24 Oh, God. Um, but, yeah, at the moment, just hypertrophy. ... The foot.

Jonny 55:27 What's the thing? Is there like a ... I'd love to deadlift 700 pounds. Is there a, like an all-time-

Yusef 55:34 Pinnacle that people-

Jonny 55:35 Like, gymnastics version?

Yusef 55:37 The 700 pounds equivalent is probably-

Jonny 55:39 Iron cross?

Yusef 55:39 ... double cork. Oh, well yeah, j- yeah, gymnastics is, yeah, the r- iron cross. Like a strength, strength goal or something like that.

Jonny 55:45 Okay. I just mean, like a, in the community, what's like, "Fuck," like w- w- what's that?

Yusef 55:49 720? Double back tucks, um, s- yeah. So something like a 720. Like, where the more spins and then like only a few people on Earth have ever done a triple cork. And then, like one guy's done a quadruple. But he, he's like tiny. He's like s- 55 kilos and just the perfect-

Jonny 56:04 All in one.

Yusef 56:06 Yeah, just run (grunting) big run up. I think he does a couple of like pre-things and just, yeah.

Jonny 56:11 Goals.

Yusef 56:11 Like they, they're just so good at delaying the, the spin until they're right at the top of their, the, the-

Chris Williamson 56:18 And then they just-

Yusef 56:18 ... apex of their thing.

Chris Williamson 56:19 Live it. Yeah.

Yusef 56:19 And then they lose their center of gravity and just get really tired. And it's just like, "Come on."

Chris Williamson 56:21 That's-

Jonny 56:21 Why don't you do loads of ring stuff?

Yusef 56:24 I'm just not strong enough at all.

Chris Williamson 56:26 But like-

Yusef 56:26 Which is depressing, like-

Chris Williamson 56:26 You're o- you're gonna be quite heavy as well, I guess.

Yusef 56:28 Yeah. Like one- 150 bench and I'm absolutely piss poor at rings. It's, it's crazy how like-

Chris Williamson 56:33 Do you have, have you got a 150 bench?

Yusef 56:35 Yeah. I w- I w- oh-

Chris Williamson 56:35 Fucking hell.

Yusef 56:36 I did it with you. Won the, um, little-

Chris Williamson 56:38 In Pinnacle.

Yusef 56:39 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 56:39 Shit, so you did?

Yusef 56:40 Got a little record for the thing.

Chris Williamson 56:41 So as a, as a very, very brief segue here, we went into a gym in Brunswick Park, just above Gosforth in Newcastle.

Jonny 56:48 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 56:48 I took Johnny and Youcef in there. On the board in there were these kind of like Westside Barbell style wei-

Jonny 56:54 Longstanding, like, strength-

Chris Williamson 56:56 Records. Like overhead press, bench press, squats, so on and so forth. And you moved through, I think, all three of the lifts from power lifting: squat, bench, and deadlift for reps, and repped higher one-rep maxes than were on there.

Jonny 57:11 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:11 I think you did for five.

Yusef 57:12 It's part of your training. It's 3:00 here today.

Jonny 57:13 Yeah (laughs)

Chris Williamson 57:13 I think, I think for five, you deadlifted, deadlifted more than your current number.

Jonny 57:16 So I think as part of my session that day, I took the one-rep max for my weight class. You benched 150 for the first time and you smashed the record, didn't you?

Yusef 57:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:25 It was like one-

Yusef 57:26 Thank you.

Chris Williamson 57:27 135 or something.

Jonny 57:27 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Chris Williamson 57:28 Um, uh, for me, at the moment, immediately rehab back, make myself much more, um, (inhales) robust.

Jonny 57:39 Robust.

Chris Williamson 57:39 Much more robust to, uh, injury. And then, yeah, within the next couple of years, I wanna compete at a Rx-ed CrossFit comp.

Jonny 57:49 Do you ever have the goal of regionals? I have no idea how ridiculous of a target that is.

Chris Williamson 57:55 I think s- I think, I think shy of me tacking myself onto a team and basically bringing them down.

Jonny 58:00 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 58:01 I need ... It's the beginning of, it's the beginning of a salesman's career in saying, "I wanna be the CEO." Like you just don't know how good you can be at the sport.

Jonny 58:10 Right.

Chris Williamson 58:10 And at the moment, I don't know how good I can be.

Jonny 58:11 (coughs) .

Chris Williamson 58:12 Um, so yeah, for me, CrossFit comp, become competitive locally, and then see where we go from there.

Jonny 58:17 What is one thing that if you could dial it up, so like there's a series of skills in CrossFit. If I said to you, "Chris, I have the mixing table." Mixing table? "I have this series of dials, I can turn up one of those abilities." Which of those do you think is such weakness, that if it was elevated it would really bring out your skills?

Chris Williamson 58:35 For me, endurance.

Jonny 58:37 Endurance?

Chris Williamson 58:37 Yeah.

Jonny 58:38 Right.

Chris Williamson 58:38 So I'm strong-

Jonny 58:39 So if that was 10X.

Chris Williamson 58:40 Yeah. Like I can, I can be sufficiently strong already because of my background.

Jonny 58:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 58:45 Um, I'm not stronger, really, than anyone, but I'm in the mixer with that. But I lag behind in endurance and stuff.

Yusef 58:51 It's true, actually. 10X-ing your endurance would just mean, like, uh-

Chris Williamson 58:54 Because you'd get-

Jonny 58:54 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 58:54 'Cause the, 'cause it's the, it's the foundation. The endurance is the foundation for everything.

Yusef 58:58 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 58:58 Because if you have the work capacity, the strength would be irrelevant because top-end strength is never used in CrossFit.

Jonny 59:03 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 59:03 Except for actually in the games, which will have been by the time that this is gone. But the CrossFit Total's going to be one of the comps in there, but it's very rare.

Jonny 59:10 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 59:10 Most of the time it's an ascending-

Jonny 59:13 It's like a ladder.

Chris Williamson 59:13 ... squat clean ladder-

Jonny 59:14 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 59:15 ... but with ring muscle-ups in between. And the reason that the squat clean ladder's hard is because you're fatigued. So if your endurance was there-

Jonny 59:20 Got it.

Chris Williamson 59:20 ... you would be fine. Um, here's a, here's a pretty cool one. When did you first get into mindfulness and looking after your mental state and why?

Jonny 59:29 It was something that Youcef said to me, which was that you ... it was the idea of, um, having no attachments, having no external attachments was the path to, like no suffering and being at, at peace.

Chris Williamson 59:50 It's what Sam Harris says, isn't it? That for years and years-

Jonny 59:53 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 59:53 ... con- contemplatives have used isolation as a route to discover whether or not happiness can be found in isolation of external factors.

Jonny 1:00:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:00:05 And for most people solitary confinement is considered the worst punishment in the world, but these people have f- found solace in that.

Jonny 1:00:10 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:00:11 Um-

Jonny 1:00:12 I mean, is that right? Have I, have I blended that-

Yusef 1:00:13 No, you're right, yeah. Like n- no attachments, no aversions means that you've got ultimate freedom to-

Jonny 1:00:18 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:00:19 Like there's no suffering.

Chris Williamson 1:00:20 You're not, you're not at the mercy of anything.

Jonny 1:00:21 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:00:21 Yeah. Like if, i- if you equate ... It's, it's the idea that if you have this circuit of desire, f- chase the desire, fulfill the desire, happy for a moment because the mind quiets on the fulfillment of that desire-

Chris Williamson 1:00:35 Get that, get that.

Yusef 1:00:35 ... and then a n- new design comes up, and then you repeat that cycle. Whereas if you were to short-circuit that whole process, eliminate the desire, which you can do consciously through repetition, then you've got the quieting of the mind without having to go through that big loop and chase the desire and fulfill it.

Jonny 1:00:50 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:00:51 And then you've just got that from the beginning.

Chris Williamson 1:00:52 Comp in fulfillment.

Yusef 1:00:53 On tap.

Jonny 1:00:54 What were the things you said about feelings of, from your retreat? Un-satisfactoriness?

Yusef 1:00:59 Oh, so the, the, yeah, the, the Buddhist approach is, um, everything is anicca, anatta, and s- su- sukka? I think so impermanence-E- everything is impermanent, unsatisfactory, and non-self in its qualities. And so the sooner that you can teach your nervous system that, not just consciously but, like, at a deep level, then you don't attach to anything, and you can just let experiences flow through you without having to grasp or push away.

Chris Williamson 1:01:35 So it's everything, both good and bad, is temporary and never enough.

Yusef 1:01:39 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:01:39 And as long as you... 'Cause, so it was, it was-

Yusef 1:01:42 So the reps of that are just, like allowing-

Chris Williamson 1:01:44 ... reinforced that.

Yusef 1:01:44 ... those things to flow through you.

Chris Williamson 1:01:45 So I think, like, realizing that your entire life you're going through this material, uh, like externally validated, motivated approach to try and feel happy. I think that's really what everyone's trying to do at some level. And the way you explained it, wh- then it, you, once you hear it like that, you're like, "Oh, actually, it's kind of pointless is, to, to have all this time that's gonna pass regardless-"

Yusef 1:02:06 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:02:06 "... and not at least try and work on the thing that is the most valuable thing you have."

Yusef 1:02:12 The thing, the thing that is actually perceiving all of this. The-

Chris Williamson 1:02:15 All of it.

Yusef 1:02:15 ... the interface between-

Chris Williamson 1:02:16 Yeah.

Yusef 1:02:16 ... the external rea- And I think one of the ways that we stay in this hamster wheel is that our mind convinces ourselves that if we were to suddenly detach from all desire and, um, attachment and aversion, we'd become this, like-

Chris Williamson 1:02:30 Zombie.

Yusef 1:02:30 ... log that would just-

Chris Williamson 1:02:31 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:02:31 Yeah. But if, if anything-

Chris Williamson 1:02:33 Or even be worse.

Yusef 1:02:33 ... if you see people that are frequent meditators, they are the most vibrant and enthusiastic and-

Chris Williamson 1:02:37 Yeah.

Yusef 1:02:37 ... fully engaged people, because they're able to just dive in with both feet and not have to...

Chris Williamson 1:02:42 So I did take 10 headspace.

Yusef 1:02:44 Take 10.

Chris Williamson 1:02:45 Take 10. Um-

Yusef 1:02:46 Hands in the arms, down to the legs.

Chris Williamson 1:02:49 Testing on the legs. (laughs) So yeah, I think, I, I had-

Yusef 1:02:51 With the breath.

Chris Williamson 1:02:52 I had a, um, I had a couple of periods of, of, well, I, I... Naturally, I'm quite a depressive person, I think. My, my native state is to be, um, on the depressed side of things, so I don't tend to look at the positives naturally.

Yusef 1:03:08 I'm the same.

Chris Williamson 1:03:08 Um, and I had-

Yusef 1:03:10 I'd say it's your default state. I don't-

Chris Williamson 1:03:12 Yeah.

Yusef 1:03:12 Like, your, your native state, isn't it?

Chris Williamson 1:03:13 Okay, sorry. Default state-

Yusef 1:03:14 Yeah, and like-

Chris Williamson 1:03:14 ... should I say.

Yusef 1:03:15 When something-

Chris Williamson 1:03:16 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:03:16 ... happens, do you catastrophize and think of the worst?

Chris Williamson 1:03:19 Yeah, very much so.

Yusef 1:03:19 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:03:19 Very, very much so, and that's, that was reinforced a lot through work.

Yusef 1:03:24 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:03:24 So, um, the business that I'm in of club nights is inherently very, um, it's very changeable and it is at the mercy of market forces and the whims of customers who are the most fickle bastards-

Yusef 1:03:42 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:03:42 ... on (laughs) the planet. And what that leads to is this kind of, uh, low level anxiety that's constantly going. And it's just, it's-

Yusef 1:03:50 Yeah, I'd, I'd struggle to do what you do.

Chris Williamson 1:03:52 It re- it reinforced-

Yusef 1:03:53 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:03:53 It reinforced thought, thought patterns that were already, um, default for me. And just, like, through sheer fucking brute force, I think, being around you two makes a really big difference for me. Doing the podcasts has been, like, it, I say it all the time, it's like therapy for me. Um-

Yusef 1:04:13 It's really helpful 'cause I feel like the three of us have very different sticking points in, in our growth.

Chris Williamson 1:04:18 Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:04:18 And I think seeing someone who's, like, got a, a clear channel in one of those other ones is really useful to

Narrator 1:04:25 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:04:25 ...

Jonny 1:04:25 I don't know if you want-

Chris Williamson 1:04:25 We fill, I think, uh, with regards to each other, we fill in a lot of the gaps that all of us have. And there's a, one of the rules that we, all of us cite to each other a lot, um, is Jordan Peterson's, "Be friends with people who want the best for you." And what's interesting with that is be friends with people who want the best for you isn't be friends with people who tell you what you want to hear.

Yusef 1:04:45 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:04:45 So as a really, really good example, Johnny was working on some new content for Propane about a month or a couple of months ago. He'd worked on it for quite a while, he sent the video in to me and Yousef, and my reply to him, I knew that he'd worked really hard and I knew that it was good, but my response to him immediately was, "Yeah, mate, that's good, but being frank, like, it's nowhere near as good as you could be."

Yusef 1:05:04 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:05:04 "Like, I know how good you can make this content."

Yusef 1:05:07 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:05:07 And I think your response, Yousef, was something similar. And you-

Jonny 1:05:11 Yousef was just like, "It's fucking shit. What are you doing?"

Chris Williamson 1:05:14 (laughs)

Yusef 1:05:14 (laughs) Yeah.

Jonny 1:05:14 "You're an asshole."

Yusef 1:05:15 Still don't know.

Chris Williamson 1:05:15 "Please, can we split the business half?"

Jonny 1:05:16 But yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:05:16 And then-

Jonny 1:05:17 Yeah, you're right.

Chris Williamson 1:05:17 And, and, you know, you went away, and you, I think, I don't know whether you knew that in advance. But you went away and you came back, and the next time that you did it, you absolutely fucking smashed it.

Yusef 1:05:26 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:05:26 And it was amazing. And I was like, "That's being friends with people who want the best for you," the same way as the young child wants the sweets, but the sweets aren't good for it. Giving it the vegetables is what it needs. Giving it the sweets is what it wants, but that's not necessarily what it needs. And that's-

Jonny 1:05:41 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:05:41 ... being friends with people who want the best for you.

Jonny 1:05:42 It's people who aren't just waiting to tell you about them and tell you, like, what's happening for them and, like, actually-

Chris Williamson 1:05:50 But, yeah, but a- actually what happened this morning, right?

Yusef 1:05:52 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:05:52 I went to sleep-

Jonny 1:05:52 Exactly.

Yusef 1:05:54 It was like: (grunts)

Jonny 1:05:54 You, you say you ask for advice and someone sits and thinks about it, thinks about you, and gives you advice that is relevant for you in their opinion.

Chris Williamson 1:06:02 Yeah. So I think for me, it's, it was, uh, uh, having a, a series of pretty tough depressive episodes, like, not being able to get out of bed, just refusing to get out of bed. And one of the problems with me and with work is that because I don't have a boss, I'm never culpable to anybody. And what that means is that-

Yusef 1:06:21 (laughs)

Chris Williamson 1:06:22 ... I can always make an excuse about why I'm not in work. It means that I can either, by being truthful or by lying, I can always get out of having to do things that mean that I need to leave the house. So, and that, to me, just, it didn't make me feel good. Like, I, I, I didn't feel proud of myself and I didn't think... Like, I... Is this what my fucking life's turned out to be? Like, I don't want to leave bed because of some thought pattern. Like, nothing's really actually gone wrong in the grand s-

Jonny 1:06:49 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:06:49 ... scheme, scheme of things. Recently, I sat down with a guy who elected to chop one of his legs off. Like, after being hit with five IEDs and losing his best mate and commander E- in Iraq. Like, do you know what I mean? Like...

Jonny 1:07:00 Puts it in context.

Chris Williamson 1:07:01 Yeah, it does.

Yusef 1:07:02 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:07:02 But you need the tools. You have to have the tools to be able to deal with these sort of things. And I think that it was sheer brute force is the only, the, the thing that I keep coming back to. And the reason I say b- brute force is I force-fed myself content which made my life better. So reading and listening to people like Jordan Peterson-... Tim Ferriss, you know, Sam Harris, all of these guys who spoke a language which I understood. Th- The School of Life, um, YouTube channel is a, a huge influence. Um, so that's, that's my why. And then, you know, as we've just said there, like, I think we make, us three make, uh, make each other's lives better. Like, I genuinely would, I'd be fucked like if it wasn't for the fact that we have each other privately and publicly as well.

Yusef 1:07:48 Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson 1:07:49 And, um, you know, we don't let each other off the hook with things. We don't, we hold each other accountable as well if someone's being inconsistently with things or if someone needs support with things ...

Yusef 1:07:59 That's the best thing that you can do for someone and it's the same principle you said that you should do if you are a woman or a man, you know, in a, like starting a relationship or dating someone is to hold them to those high standards.

Chris Williamson 1:08:10 Yeah.

Yusef 1:08:10 And don't settle for anything less, for both of your sakes.

Chris Williamson 1:08:12 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yusef 1:08:13 Um, really like it.

Chris Williamson 1:08:14 Yeah, very much so. Um, there's a couple of Love Islandy ones here, so I'll, I'll get them through. "Have you been watching this season of Love Island? If yes, thoughts on scripted filming?" From visionasiri. Um, I watched the first week and then I was in America for a bit, and then Adam, my friend, left, so I haven't got a massive sample to work with. There's been some accusations thrown around about, um, scripting because they did a match in action. What's called a match in action in, um, cinematography is where something will start off on one side and then they'll flip to another camera angle and continue the scene. And someone noticed that in one scene, two people, two separate couples kissed at the same time, and in a different scene, they kissed separately in the, in the match.

Yusef 1:08:57 Oh, okay.

Chris Williamson 1:08:57 Um, and listen to the Love Island podcast, it goes back to that. As I say in that, the dates are much more heavily produced. This is because they don't have set up camera angles. It's quite likely that that might have even been the same camera. That, that wouldn't have been happening at the same time. "Right guys, we've got that. Can you sit back down please?"

Yusef 1:09:14 Just try to kiss again.

Chris Williamson 1:09:14 "We're just gonna get you to kiss again." It's like they asked them to kiss again and say goodbye. It wasn't like, it wasn't some crux of the story. It wasn't that someone was about to reveal they loved someone and they told them to shut the fuck up.

Yusef 1:09:26 Mm-hmm. Probably unnecessary work anyway to do that, isn't it? To, to create a plot when you've got people in there anyway that are ...

Chris Williamson 1:09:31 They're doing the stuff themselves. I said this and this is, you know, anyone who's concerned about whether or not Love Island is scripted or not, you can come back to this which is about as close to, uh, safety latch as you can get, which is the people that are in there have not had media training. I can promise you they haven't had media training. You get Stephanie, 18, from Bolton, and drop her in the middle of Majorca and say, "Right, so, Alex has just told you that he loves you, but we didn't quite get that. Can you just do that reaction again?" She's gonna have a meltdown. She's not gonna be able to do that. She doesn't have that in her capabilities. So just, th- the, what's that thingy, razor?

Yusef 1:10:09 Occam's razor.

Chris Williamson 1:10:10 Occam's razor. Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is often the correct one.

Yusef 1:10:13 Yeah.

Chris Williamson 1:10:13 There you go. Um, "Have you found it harder to find someone that's genuinely in it for you and not because of Love Island?" So I kind of get this similar sort of question, um, a lot, and I think that people are overestimating the level of fame that particularly I got out of my season. Like, the early seasons of Love Island, people are not considered celebrities anymore. And being frank, like after one year lapsed outside of Love Island, no one gives a fuck anymore. Like, everyone's only concerned about the most recent ones. The only way that you can still be relevant is if you do what Chris and Kem have done, which is, force yourself down the throat to the people.

Yusef 1:10:49 Create something else.

Chris Williamson 1:10:50 Yeah, by continuing to make yourself relevant. Um ...

Yusef 1:10:53 I suppose they're, they're, for a short period of time, given this platform and it's like, there you go, do something with it or it'll, it'll expire. And if it expires, then...

Chris Williamson 1:11:04 "Could you do a podcast in regards to tips for the gym if you haven't already?" from sophialarkin."

Yusef 1:11:12 I would do so-

Chris Williamson 1:11:12 Um, I'm not sure if you've, I don't know how long you followed us for Sophia, but there are-

Yusef 1:11:17 I'd go back, listen to those podcasts, listen to the Propane Podcast. (...)

Chris Williamson 1:11:20 There are, um, 120 episodes on the Propane Fitness podcast and the clue is in the name. Some of them are on fitness.

Yusef 1:11:28 Genuinely, the best resource on fitness that we know of. Otherwise, we would've created it. (laughs) So, um ...

Chris Williamson 1:11:34 (laughs) well, you did.

Yusef 1:11:35 Well, we did. So yeah, one, another question from mwood, "Any advice on getting back to training after illness?"

Chris Williamson 1:11:41 Good question. Really good question.

Yusef 1:11:41 So I've, yeah, so I've got a series on this called Project Swol that was directed specifically towards regaining muscle mass after-

Chris Williamson 1:11:48 The challenges.

Yusef 1:11:48 ... having an illness but af- yeah, but, um, the same thing, same thing applies. Like, same principle. So watch those series of videos. It goes over, uh, how I