Modern WisdomQ&A 101
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150 min read · 30,052 words- 0:00 – 2:54
Setting up the first Modern Wisdom Q&A (and immediate chaos)
- CWChris Williamson
(wind blowing) So, hello again. Hi.
- JOJonny
Hello there.
- YUYusef
Hi.
- CWChris Williamson
Joined again by Johnny and Youssef from pro pain fitness dot com. And-
- JOJonny
Youssef and Johnny.
- CWChris Williamson
Youssef and Johnny indeed. And we are today doing our first ever Q&A episode.
- YUYusef
This wouldn't be possible without the valuable contributions from you guys, so...
- CWChris Williamson
Our listeners at home.
- YUYusef
Thank you for the, uh-
- CWChris Williamson
Our listeners at home. So yeah, I, I posted and so did you guys on our respective Instagrams asking for people to submit questions. And we got-
- YUYusef
Really sensible questions.
- CWChris Williamson
... um, some unsensible ones, but interesting ones.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
They were all interesting. And we got-
- YUYusef
I was being slightly facetious, but...
- CWChris Williamson
... 60.
- YUYusef
Were there any mentions of, uh, Johnny's legs?
- JOJonny
There weren't actually.
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- YUYusef
Surprising.
- JOJonny
Which is very refreshing.
- CWChris Williamson
I wanted to ask myself the question why are Johnny's legs so long, but I couldn't.
- YUYusef
To ask yourself that?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
I see.
- JOJonny
It's very introspective.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, I know. So we're going to do Q&A today. There's a couple that have been asked-
- JOJonny
Oh, there are.
- CWChris Williamson
... a couple of questions that people have requested remain anonymous. Other than that, I think we can just-
- JOJonny
Can I know who, who's anonymous?
- 2:54 – 5:25
Do you track macros? When it helps, when it’s unnecessary, and why it’s hard
- JOJonny
Do you track macros?
- CWChris Williamson
That's for all of us, obviously.
- YUYusef
No. Not anymore.
- JOJonny
I do.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you?
- YUYusef
We discussed this on a live stream the other day that we, we don't.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, now I do.
- YUYusef
Because we graduated from needing to. Like, years of tracking means that you build enough momentum to not need to anymore.
- CWChris Williamson
I also don't track.
- YUYusef
You can do it by feel eventually.
- JOJonny
It's not fun for me to do them randomly. I'm gonna do them in order from top. I, I do track. Why don't you two track?
- YUYusef
So I've, I've explained.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, it's just too much effort for me. However, I'm about to start with, uh, Tim from We Dominate Nutrition.
- JOJonny
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
And I'm also going to be on warrior programming as of the next couple of weeks. And as a part of that, I will be-
- YUYusef
Tracking macros.
- CWChris Williamson
I will be, uh, accountable. And if I don't, I will get shouted at off, uh, a guy who looks like Hitler's wet dream.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- JOJonny
(laughs)
- YUYusef
Oh, yeah. He is.
- JOJonny
I think if you aren't naturally abs lean like you two are-
- CWChris Williamson
Hmm.
- JOJonny
... realistically, you should try macros if you want to change.
- CWChris Williamson
If you want to get lean.
- JOJonny
Yeah, ob- obv-
- YUYusef
Well, well, yes.
- JOJonny
I think there's an argument to do it regardless, to be honest.
- YUYusef
Well, nex- next time I diet, I am absolutely tracking macros if-
- JOJonny
Doing that little huh?
- YUYusef
Maybe not. Like, but, uh, yeah. Or, or if, if I start doing a, a 90 day push of focusing much more on physique, then yeah, like, once things start to stall out. The, I think we take the approach of if something is working, don't fix it.
- 5:25 – 10:29
Daily routines: morning light, meditation, hospital shifts, and evening struggles
- JOJonny
What do your daily routines look like at the moment?
- CWChris Williamson
Who's that from? You're not put, you're not doing the people it's from.
- JOJonny
You said don't read people out because I'm anonymous.
- CWChris Williamson
I said there's only a couple of people who asked us to be anonymous.
- JOJonny
How am I supposed to know who those are?
- CWChris Williamson
Because they say. Roger.
- YUYusef
Everyone else, Arab accent.
- JOJonny
Roger that. Jordan Ayers.
- CWChris Williamson
Jordan, by the way, is, uh, sending me reading lists on almost a weekly basis over email. And they're all fantastic, so thanks.
- YUYusef
Same.
- CWChris Williamson
Thanks a lot. But Jordan is.
- YUYusef
We've done the same thing, Jordan. Appreciate it.
- CWChris Williamson
Man, he's awesome. So, um-
- JOJonny
I've not seen any of these.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Well, we'll, we'll link you in.
- JOJonny
How have you been sent them?
- YUYusef
Through propane inbox.
- JOJonny
Good lord.
- CWChris Williamson
It's because you're not checking social media enough.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- JOJonny
Instagram.
- YUYusef
I respond to people on private messages.
- JOJonny
Ugh.
- CWChris Williamson
There we go. Ugh, lads, lads, lads.
- JOJonny
You respond to people so I don't have to.
- CWChris Williamson
So what do our daily routines look like at the moment? Bloody hell. Um, okay, I'll be as, uh-
- JOJonny
Concise. Brief.
- CWChris Williamson
I'll take, I'll take the headlines as, as much as I can. So wake up-... outside, so I'm doing, uh, sunlight exposure now even if it's raining. So I'm-
- YUYusef
You've read Aubrey Marcus, haven't you?
- 10:29 – 12:21
Optimizing the day: stop work at 3 PM, Parkinson’s Law, and training time experiments
- JOJonny
So, uh, actually, recently I've been tr- I've been trying training later in the day.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- JOJonny
Um-
- CWChris Williamson
After only just beginning to try to, try training earlier in the day.
- JOJonny
So I did, I did training in the morning for six months, more or less.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JOJonny
And it is good, but the trouble was just the amount of my ... You get to this point. And I know it's you start work later and finish work later.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JOJonny
I have this natural kind of disruption to my day from a work perspective, 'cause my girlfriend gets home at a certain time, and, like, to continue working feels wrong.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, fair enough.
- JOJonny
So I've got this, like, window where I've got to get my work done.
- CWChris Williamson
Routinely.
- JOJonny
Um, and the later I start, the more-
- CWChris Williamson
What? So what you're saying is that if your girlfriend gets home when you're working, that's a problem. But if your girlfriend gets home and you're not at home because you're at the gym, it's fine.
- JOJonny
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JOJonny
Well, so what, what I've been trying to do recently ... Uh, we had a business coach probably a year ago. And when I was talking to him about this, I was like, "I always struggle to, like, arrange these pieces in my day so that it's just, kind of, I run into the fewest problems." He was just like, "Just stop work at 3:00 PM."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- JOJonny
And I was like... And I told you about this.
- YUYusef
Parkinson's Law just means that you just work to a deadline.
- JOJonny
So I've, I've done it two days this week. I find it really, really difficult to do.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JOJonny
It's like, start, d- do all those habits. Start work, finish at 3:00 PM. And lo and behold, on those days, got more work done.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JOJonny
And then go to the gym. But you go to the gym at that time and there's just loads of people at the gym.
- CWChris Williamson
More traffic. Busier gym.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JOJonny
So I'm still searching for-
- 12:21 – 18:14
Absurd hypotheticals: clingfilming animals and speaking to dogs
- JOJonny
Okay. What's the largest animal you could single-handedly cling film to a lamppost?
- CWChris Williamson
Who was that?
- JOJonny
... sorry, Rob Ransom. Recognise that name?
- YUYusef
Horse because-
- JOJonny
No. Fuck off. A horse?
- YUYusef
B- Because-
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
(laughs)
- JOJonny
(laughs)
- YUYusef
Horse's, their, horse's brains are, like, this big. Like, they're not going to... Uh, I think if you can catch it in a-
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
Such a weird-
- CWChris Williamson
I think what you're talking, what we're talking about here is how docile is the animal. Exactly, yeah. Not-
- JOJonny
I'm, so I'm imagining it's off the ground.
- YUYusef
Oh, see, like-
- JOJonny
Well, yeah, 'cause there's a-
- YUYusef
... around its back and it's-
- JOJonny
Otherwise, you just push anything up against a tree. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Right, okay. So do that, do that to a leopard.
- YUYusef
Oh, God.
- JOJonny
A leopard?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
It's not even that large, a leopard. It's like-
- CWChris Williamson
Right, yeah, so try and do that to a leopard. Speaker 3: R.I.P.
- JOJonny
Oh, see what you mean.
- CWChris Williamson
It'll be dead.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- JOJonny
I see.
- CWChris Williamson
Try and do that to an elephant, and it's gonna break through the clingfilm unless you can use, like, an industrial-sized roll.
- YUYusef
Elephants are, yeah.
- JOJonny
Got it.
- YUYusef
Like, I met one a few weeks ago, and it, like, realized how-
- 18:14 – 25:26
CrossFit mass gain + internet flirting + five-year visions
- JOJonny
Top tips for... Top... So Birch3107 has asked, "Top tips to get MASSIVE," falling caps, "doing CrossFit?"
- CWChris Williamson
Good question. Um-
- YUYusef
It's not a peck of birch, is it?
- JOJonny
No.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- JOJonny
Not with a photo of a man holding a log?
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Um, I would say tips, tips for getting massive doing CrossFit-... just eat as you, e- eat as you feel that you need to because the output that you're going to be doing is so much greater than you're used to. Let's say that in a typical session, like a typical bodybuilding or fitness session, your total reps will be maybe 100, something like that, 100 or 120.
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm. Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
Like across all movements, across all reps.
- YUYusef
Three sets of 10 with four movements, yeah?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
So.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. There you go. Whereas, in m- a lot of CrossFit chippers, which is where you've got multiple movements, you're gonna be talking like upwards of 300 or 400. So yeah, it's gonna be at a lower... Uh, your output's gonna be high basically and you're gonna be potentially training higher intensities more frequently once or twice a day. So just eat as much as you can. If you want to get massive, and if you want to use it to put on mass, I would eat as much sorine as is possible.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
I would put-
- YUYusef
Sorine malt loaf.
- CWChris Williamson
... maltodextrin in your post-workout shake, and I would have, um, I'd have a spoonful of honey with every meal.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
No, I wouldn't (clears throat) do that last one. That's a lie.
- YUYusef
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Can you read the very bottom screenshot please? Very bottom one.
- JOJonny
By DJ Slacky 18... No.
- CWChris Williamson
Very bottom.
- JOJonny
The one about Tinder.
- CWChris Williamson
Yep.
- JOJonny
(laughs) Wish I was in close proximity so I could match him up on Tinder.
- CWChris Williamson
And that was a screenshot-
- JOJonny
Eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes.
- CWChris Williamson
That was a screenshot of you, Johnny.
- 25:26 – 26:53
Love Island’s impact: identity, integrity, and whether he’d do it again
- YUYusef
"How would your life be different if you weren't on Love Island?" Chris.
- CWChris Williamson
I get asked this question quite a lot, actually. I think this is duplicated a number of times. Who was it?
- YUYusef
Vissan Asiri.
- CWChris Williamson
Nice.
- YUYusef
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Well-pronounced as well. Um, interesting question. Again, it'll probably be quite unsatisfactory compared with what you think I'm gonna answer. So it would be that I would be in a, uh, my exposure would have been increased or something like that. Like, uh, you know, it's propelled me towards stardom and stuff like that. Whereas, quite to the contrary, it, as we learnt on the Love Island Podcast, it was the beginning of a, a little bit of a journey towards virtue because there was a difference between what I realized I was pretending to be and publicly was being and what I was with regards to my own integrity and stuff like that. So, (coughs) yeah, I, um, I think I would have still arrived at this point of doing more introspective work and challenging my own assumptions and kind of turning over the rocks of your life, for want of a better term, and looking at what's underneath, whether it's sort of good or bad. But I don't think that it would have happened as quickly. So for that, I literally can't be any more grateful for the Love Island experience because it was the kick up the ass that I needed, I think.
- YUYusef
So you were on that trajectory, but it just catalyzed-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... the process?
- CWChris Williamson
100%.
- JOJonny
It was a real line in the sand for you, I think, wasn't it?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, very much so.
- 26:53 – 29:26
Drugs/PEDs in lifting: ethics, risks, and informed decision-making
- YUYusef
"Thoughts on drug use."
- JOJonny
So I'm trying to, I'm trying to pick, um, from different people. But we'll do that one.
- CWChris Williamson
I don't mind. Just-
- YUYusef
Oh, this is from the same person.
- JOJonny
Yeah, yeah. (laughs)
- YUYusef
"Thoughts on drug use and lifting at a strong level compared to the average gym-goer," from the same person. Depends what you define as strong, 'cause some people are like, "Oh-"
- JOJonny
Compared to the average gym-goer.
- YUYusef
"... I've, I've benched 100 kilos, time to get on the gear." And some would consider strong to be-
- JOJonny
I think they have to be separate questions.
- YUYusef
"Thoughts on drug use and lifting-"
- JOJonny
Just to maybe allow you to get into each concept a bit more.
- YUYusef
"... at a strong level."
- JOJonny
So what are your thoughts compared to the average gym-goer? What are your thoughts on drug use, steroid use? What are your thoughts?
- YUYusef
If it's n- if it's in a, if it's sanctioned in a sport, then-
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
... you can go crazy on it.
- JOJonny
I think as long as you are not competing in something that is ... that has a rule that says you shouldn't take drugs, and you're saying, "I'm not taking drugs," then it's fine.
- YUYusef
Like, yeah, my, my, my view is don't cheat in sports rather than-
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- YUYusef
... do or don't take drugs.
- JOJonny
Yeah, that's a much better way of putting it.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, I would agree as well.
- JOJonny
Uh...
- CWChris Williamson
People can do ... People can put into their own bodies whatever they want. But-
- YUYusef
Yeah, you, you're gonna have to bear the consequence of that, and the more niche drugs you put into your body, the fewer endocrinologists are gonna be able to-
- CWChris Williamson
Work out what the fuck's going on with you, yeah.
- YUYusef
... engage with, to, yeah (laughs) .
- JOJonny
I'd le- like, learn about what you're going to do before you do it, do it scientifically.
- CWChris Williamson
Or find someone who knows.
- JOJonny
Yeah, 'cause it's a different language.
- 29:26 – 43:12
Best recurring content: what they re-read, focus vs multitasking, and implementing advice
- JOJonny
What is the one book, article, podcast you've, do you f- what's the one, one book, article, podcast you find yourself returning to the most? By George McGill.
- YUYusef
It's, for me, it's Modern Wisdom with Chris Williamson.
- CWChris Williamson
Thank you very much.
- YUYusef
Like, I've, I've been returning to this house to-
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
... record for all of these fucking podcasts over and over again.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- YUYusef
And then he brought this fan out, and he keeps feeding me caffeinated drinks.
- JOJonny
(laughs) Mine is a ... it's a Tim Ferriss article and podcast called, um, Productivity Advice for the Manic, Depressive, and Crazy Like Me. And it's, like, f- 10 minutes long, and it's basically just something that w- we talk about all the time, which is like, we ... Everyone focuses on pr- everyone thinks that the people that they follow online are these pictures of efficiency, productivity, and everything in their life is great. That's very rarely the case.
- CWChris Williamson
Paragon of virtue.
- JOJonny
Paragon of ... But the people who are getting loads of stuff done in their life typically are fantastic at prioritizing and just focusing on one thing at a time.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JOJonny
And so his advice is, like, pick one thing to do every day, and just do that for two or three hours. And that's-
- CWChris Williamson
As Dr., as Dr. Ewan Lawson said on, uh, Your Desk is Killing You, the podcast I did recently-... multitasking is for muppets.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
But it feels like you're being more productive.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- YUYusef
Like the, the sensation of time passing accelerates when you're switching between tabs and doing things. You go, "Oh, I'm blasting through this." But actually, total output is terrible-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
... if you're doing A, B, C, D, as opposed to just A, A, A, A, finish-
- CWChris Williamson
Exactly what-
- YUYusef
... and then B.
- CWChris Williamson
... exactly what Peter C. Browne says in Make It Stick on a recent podcast, which may or may not have been published before this one as well. (laughs)
- JOJonny
In the past or the future.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Focus. How about you?
- YUYusef
I, I also like where this question's come from, that it's, what's the one thing that you find yourself returning to the most?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
'Cause I think it's very easy to read an article like the, the Manic Depressive Tim Ferriss article and be like, "Oh my God, that's such good advice. Great." And then two weeks later-
- CWChris Williamson
Forgot it.
- 43:12 – 54:37
Embarrassing stories + the blunt fat-loss answer everyone needs
- JOJonny
Great answer. What's the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to you? Kiss hug, kiss hug, by Jessica Tyler, Taylor?
- CWChris Williamson
Taylor.
- JOJonny
Fine.
- CWChris Williamson
Um, during intercourse with a lady, she began to say the sentence, "Spit on m-" and got to the M in 'muh'. I thought that she meant me, as in her, spit on me. At which point, like a loaded gun, I unloaded a full mouth of saliva onto her face. She quietly wiped it off and said, "I meant my fingers." I apologized, laughed, and then continued. That's, that's up there.
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
Spit, spit on muh.
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
Spit on muh. (laughing)
- YUYusef
I'm really excited -
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
There was some velocity as well.
- YUYusef
You guys know this already, which is dropping, losing 23 grand in a period of about 10 minutes. The, the full story of that is on another podcast.
- JOJonny
No, we never recorded it.
- CWChris Williamson
We will do. We'll do live, we did live.
- YUYusef
We do.
- CWChris Williamson
Live, live fails- Never went live. Yeah, live fails, we'll come back, um, but-
- YUYusef
Why didn't it go live?
- CWChris Williamson
'Cause we didn't finish it.
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
We never finished it.
- CWChris Williamson
It got cut off.
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
Oh, okay, fine. We've gotta, we've gotta-
- CWChris Williamson
We lost 23 grand trading about-
- JOJonny
We'll have to restart.
- CWChris Williamson
In how long?
- JOJonny
We'll have to re-, we'll have to record it.
- CWChris Williamson
In about a ten minute period.
- JOJonny
What? No.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughing)
- GIGuest (Jonny or Yusef, minor interjection)
We were just trying to press one button.
- YUYusef
(laughing) It loses, you lose about six, six weeks off your life every time you realize that story.
- JOJonny
It's the prospect of like something that's been done, not being used is absolutely unacceptable.
- YUYusef
(laughing)
- 54:37 – 59:20
Training goals and CrossFit development: endurance, competitions, and rehab
- CWChris Williamson
That's cool, man. Um, pretty cool one here. "What is everyone's short-term training goals? What total regional competition? Just a physique goal?" Question marks. All from Anabolic OD.
- YUYusef
Great username.
- JOJonny
Whoa. Anabolic OD.
- YUYusef
(coughs)
- JOJonny
700 kilo total in the 105 kilo class at Nationals 2018, weighing 100 kilos or less.
- CWChris Williamson
But you're in the 105s.
- JOJonny
Yeah, but I want to... If I'm 100 kilos or less, I'll hit PB wilks.
- CWChris Williamson
Nice.
- YUYusef
Yep. Disk herniation rehab, um, tumbeling and handstand goals, like get cork, or cork to cork. Um-
- CWChris Williamson
That's the one-legged spinny flip.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Spinny flip.
- YUYusef
Well remembered. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Cork to cork is woo-woo-woo-bang, woo-woo-woo-bang.
- YUYusef
Yeah, just like a clap.
- CWChris Williamson
That's really fucking cool.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
That's cool.
- YUYusef
Oh, God. Um, but, yeah, at the moment, just hypertrophy. ... The foot.
- JOJonny
What's the thing? Is there like a ... I'd love to deadlift 700 pounds. Is there a, like an all-time-
- YUYusef
Pinnacle that people-
- JOJonny
Like, gymnastics version?
- YUYusef
The 700 pounds equivalent is probably-
- JOJonny
Iron cross?
- YUYusef
... double cork. Oh, well yeah, j- yeah, gymnastics is, yeah, the r- iron cross. Like a strength, strength goal or something like that.
- JOJonny
Okay. I just mean, like a, in the community, what's like, "Fuck," like w- w- what's that?
- YUYusef
720? Double back tucks, um, s- yeah. So something like a 720. Like, where the more spins and then like only a few people on Earth have ever done a triple cork. And then, like one guy's done a quadruple. But he, he's like tiny. He's like s- 55 kilos and just the perfect-
- JOJonny
All in one.
- YUYusef
Yeah, just run (grunting) big run up. I think he does a couple of like pre-things and just, yeah.
- JOJonny
Goals.
- 59:20 – 1:22:04
Mindfulness origins: Buddhism, depression, and friends who hold you to standards
- CWChris Williamson
... you would be fine. Um, here's a, here's a pretty cool one. When did you first get into mindfulness and looking after your mental state and why?
- JOJonny
It was something that Youcef said to me, which was that you ... it was the idea of, um, having no attachments, having no external attachments was the path to, like no suffering and being at, at peace.
- CWChris Williamson
It's what Sam Harris says, isn't it? That for years and years-
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... con- contemplatives have used isolation as a route to discover whether or not happiness can be found in isolation of external factors.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And for most people solitary confinement is considered the worst punishment in the world, but these people have f- found solace in that.
- JOJonny
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Um-
- JOJonny
I mean, is that right? Have I, have I blended that-
- YUYusef
No, you're right, yeah. Like n- no attachments, no aversions means that you've got ultimate freedom to-
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
Like there's no suffering.
- CWChris Williamson
You're not, you're not at the mercy of anything.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
Yeah. Like if, i- if you equate ... It's, it's the idea that if you have this circuit of desire, f- chase the desire, fulfill the desire, happy for a moment because the mind quiets on the fulfillment of that desire-
- CWChris Williamson
Get that, get that.
- YUYusef
... and then a n- new design comes up, and then you repeat that cycle. Whereas if you were to short-circuit that whole process, eliminate the desire, which you can do consciously through repetition, then you've got the quieting of the mind without having to go through that big loop and chase the desire and fulfill it.
- JOJonny
Mm-hmm.
- YUYusef
And then you've just got that from the beginning.
- CWChris Williamson
Comp in fulfillment.
- YUYusef
On tap.
- JOJonny
What were the things you said about feelings of, from your retreat? Un-satisfactoriness?
- YUYusef
Oh, so the, the, yeah, the, the Buddhist approach is, um, everything is anicca, anatta, and s- su- sukka? I think so impermanence-E- everything is impermanent, unsatisfactory, and non-self in its qualities. And so the sooner that you can teach your nervous system that, not just consciously but, like, at a deep level, then you don't attach to anything, and you can just let experiences flow through you without having to grasp or push away.
- CWChris Williamson
So it's everything, both good and bad, is temporary and never enough.
- YUYusef
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And as long as you... 'Cause, so it was, it was-
- YUYusef
So the reps of that are just, like allowing-
- CWChris Williamson
... reinforced that.
- YUYusef
... those things to flow through you.
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