Modern WisdomRaccoon Wars, Lindsay Clancy, NFL Scammers & Past Crimes - Matt McCusker
EVERY SPOKEN WORD
120 min read · 23,668 words- 0:00 – 4:37
Do Raccoons Love Urkel Cereal?
- CWChris Williamson
I'm in a battle with raccoons at the moment
- MMMatt McCusker
Where?
- CWChris Williamson
At my backyard
- MMMatt McCusker
Really?
- CWChris Williamson
It's just me versus raccoons at the moment
- MMMatt McCusker
Do they go on your roof?
- CWChris Williamson
They-- I've got this nice couch thing, like these-- I don't know. It's like comfy. You can lie on it, and they've just wrecked that. They-- every single night they come in, and they wreck that. They decided they were gonna tear up one Croc. I had like two Crocs, like a pair of Crocs left outside. Which, I mean, they might have done me a, like, fashion fucking favor. I don't-
- MMMatt McCusker
I, I always feel bad. I almost-- I, I like fought the urge to wear Crocs here today [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
You're a Crocs guy?
- MMMatt McCusker
I love Crocs, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Unreal. I'm g- But anyway, like I'm a, I'm actually at war with these fucking raccoons. It feels very demoralizing, like losing a war of wits with an animal that survives exclusively on garbage.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, oh, that, that's what's defeated me. But I haven't been able to get rid of them, so that's annoying.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, you gotta trap 'em.
- CWChris Williamson
You trap... But then what do you do? Get a professional?
- MMMatt McCusker
Get rid of them, yeah. Go send them somewhere.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
Or have a, have a professional come trap them. They'll just release them somewhere else.
- CWChris Williamson
Right, but... Oh, okay. Well, that's-
- MMMatt McCusker
You know, you have to like drown them, right? [both laughing] You can't. I kinda love raccoons, but they, they f- I was growing watermelon. Raccoons just destroyed my watermelons.
- CWChris Williamson
When were you growing watermelon?
- MMMatt McCusker
This summer.
- CWChris Williamson
You can-
- MMMatt McCusker
I had one. I had one big watermelon forming, and I came-- I woke up one morning, and the raccoon had just torn it to shreds, and I was like-
- CWChris Williamson
That was like my Croc.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
That was, except I hadn't had to grow it, I guess.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] I know, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
But fuck.
- MMMatt McCusker
No, I was pissed, but I, I do kinda love raccoons. I was like, "All right. Well, I got 'em."
- 4:37 – 10:48
Bourgeois vs Bosh: Who is the Epitome of Britain?
- SPSpeaker
the largest steam locomotive in the world. I've waited my whole life to see 4014 Big Boy in action, so today is a very important day. With crowds lining the tracks, an unexpected arrival before the main event. There's 2103.
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh, no. [laughs]
- SPSpeaker
Big Boy.
- MMMatt McCusker
What a brutal angle.
- CWChris Williamson
He does it on every video.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
Here it comes.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs] Oh, no. Oh, no.
- SPSpeaker
It's Big Boy. At such an important moment, my phone dies-
- MMMatt McCusker
Wow
- SPSpeaker
... and I have to reach for Amy's phone, which is fortunately in my pocket.
- MMMatt McCusker
You need a camera on your fucking head.
- SPSpeaker
Yes, yes, yes.
- MMMatt McCusker
Big Boy.
- SPSpeaker
A dream come true, but 2102-
- MMMatt McCusker
Wait
- SPSpeaker
... is about to blow my mind.
- MMMatt McCusker
This was in Pennsylvania, wasn't it?
- CWChris Williamson
I think so, yeah.
- MMMatt McCusker
Dude, so this, it was really hot that day, and a lot of those guys passed out.
- CWChris Williamson
That were working?
- MMMatt McCusker
A bunch of fat-legged autistic guys went down. [laughs] I'm telling, that day, I, my, my friends were telling me about this. They were, a bunch of people were standing in the field, and they passed out while waiting for Big Boy to come.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs] Well, I mean, Francis-
- MMMatt McCusker
He was just one among many
- CWChris Williamson
... meanwhile, Francis Bourgeois, he managed to-
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] He got to live the dream I was telling my friend, I was like, "If I was there with my kid and they passed out awaiting a train-
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
... I would step over him and just walk away." I would just step right over him and be like, "I'm out of here, man. I'm not, I'm not doing this." [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
Trainspotting's an odd, but I, I-
- MMMatt McCusker
It's very weird
- 10:48 – 15:00
The Vicious Farts That Wake Up Your Partner
- MMMatt McCusker
have to get that
- CWChris Williamson
... that'd be sick. And then you could make a compilation of all of your favorite farts.
- MMMatt McCusker
Ooh. What, what, what would you make? [laughs] Nah, the nighttime ones would be awesome. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs] Yeah, you're like, you know what, you know what missing your own fart while you're asleep is like? It's like being a child that passes out whilst watching Big Boy. You're like, "I missed it."
- MMMatt McCusker
True.
- CWChris Williamson
"This was the entire reason for me eating those beans at night."
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, all to waste.
- CWChris Williamson
"And I didn't, I wasn't even there for it."
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
Like, my-
- MMMatt McCusker
I've-
- CWChris Williamson
... my mum got to see it or whatever.
- MMMatt McCusker
True. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
Like, you know, like the wife got to see it. She was a part of it.
- MMMatt McCusker
Have you, have you ever woken a woman out of sleep because you farted in bed? Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's not-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, yeah
- MMMatt McCusker
... it's not a good feeling.
- CWChris Williamson
There's a level of-
- MMMatt McCusker
I've done it. [laughs] I've done it.
- CWChris Williamson
There is a level of, like, shame and pride.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
It's equal parts shame and pride.
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, it's so funny. But you also, you're like, "Yeah, that's a horrible way to wake up."
- CWChris Williamson
You have to apologize.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
"I'm so sorry."
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, I've done it.
- CWChris Williamson
"I'm so sorry."
- 15:00 – 21:07
Can You Get More American Than Bull Riding?
- CWChris Williamson
And, um, not a massive amount of racial diversity-
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm. Mm
- CWChris Williamson
... in the audience.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, and then Nelly played.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
So he kind of offset it toward the end. Uh, but yeah, PBR was crazy. That was like, that was a very interesting experience.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. Yeah, that, uh, I, I only ever watched it on TV, but bull riding, I like bull riding compared to bullfighting.
- CWChris Williamson
Bullfighting seems like one of the meanest. It's so mean.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Why-
- MMMatt McCusker
I just learned they pre-stab them. The bulls are pre-stabbed before they even, you fight the bull.
- CWChris Williamson
Like that scene in Gladiator-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
... where he's like shivving before he goes out.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
That's all of the bulls.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's exactly like, they just poke 'em up a couple times. They're, "All right, get out there."
- CWChris Williamson
So they're weaker.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I found out that the reason that the capes, what's that called? The fuck-
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh, I don't know
- CWChris Williamson
... the red rag to a bull thing.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. The cape.
- CWChris Williamson
The reason that it's red isn't because bulls see red and get angry. It's to hide the blood as the bulls run past.
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh.
- CWChris Williamson
Because otherwise if you had a white sheet or something-
- MMMatt McCusker
It would look horrible
- CWChris Williamson
... yeah, it would just be like marked with loads of bull blood.
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh. Yeah, that's, I didn't even know that.
- 21:07 – 29:05
Is Line Dancing the Next Big Cult?
- MMMatt McCusker
be like, "Come out here and dance with me, young lady." And she'd be like, "God, your ass is flatter than cardboard," and just smack, like it, it was insane. She was just grabbing and smacking ladies' asses and just g- I mean, you know, uh, any kind of racial thing, she would throw that in there too just to, like, flavor it up.
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, dude, there is like-
- MMMatt McCusker
She was, I c- I was sitting there like, "Bro, this is insane." And she, and everyone's like, "Ah, this is cute, I guess." [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
I've been transported back to the 1950s. There's a level of bigotry that you just, like, when people get beyond a certain age, they just get a pass for it all.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, you have to let this lady cook. It was really good.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
'Cause it was a, it was a lot of, it was a, a good amount of, like, Asian tourists came, and she was having a field day with them.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
It was, it was wild. "There's nothing there for me to grab. You have no ass on you. Look, where are you from? Vietnam? Get out of the way." And I was like, "God." [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
She thinks, she thinks the war's still going.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] Yeah. But it was, it was-
- CWChris Williamson
Are they not our enemy?
- MMMatt McCusker
It was fun. It was fun to see. It also was nice. It brings everyone down. It's like, yeah, let her, let her do her thing. Brings everyone down to, like, a, you know, common ground.
- CWChris Williamson
That's what being British is like, actually.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah?
- CWChris Williamson
It's that, that level of, like, insulting of everyone.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Were you any good? Is it hard? I've never-
- MMMatt McCusker
Two-step?
- CWChris Williamson
I've not tried to do it.
- MMMatt McCusker
No, I wasn't very w- uh, I was all right. It's n- it's pretty easy, honestly.
- CWChris Williamson
Right.
- MMMatt McCusker
But it's all about, you have to kinda, like... Well, it's, like, easy to do, but once you have, like, 30 people on the dance floor, everyone, you don't know which way anyone's going, so it's, it's a... And then there's people who are, like, actually really, really good at it, and you're like-
- CWChris Williamson
I'm in the way now.
- MMMatt McCusker
The what?
- CWChris Williamson
You're, you're in the way.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, you're just in their way. They're, like, whipping people around and throwing 'em, and it, it a- it's also very important that you have to lead your partner, and it's like I'm horrible-
- CWChris Williamson
As the man
- MMMatt McCusker
... horrible at dancing. So I'm kinda, like, trying to, I'm stepping on her feet the whole time, and I'm like, "Actually, I'm in charge. Be quiet. Don't move."
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- 29:05 – 32:15
Is This the Biggest NFL Scam?
- MMMatt McCusker
was his-
- CWChris Williamson
It was a dude-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, it was a-
- CWChris Williamson
... that said this?
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh, yeah. It w-
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, so he was trying to diddle men and women.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. D-
- CWChris Williamson
Especially, especially women.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. Yeah, I think he was really going for the wom- women's money. But yeah, there was a guy influencer I know who was, like, a health guy, and he got, like, they tried to go for him.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. So he was-
- MMMatt McCusker
He went for 200,000. He's like, "Give me 200K, and I'll, like, promote your, you know, electrolytes or whatever."
- CWChris Williamson
I think he didn't have that many followers on... It wasn't a huge... So yeah, for the people that don't know, this guy pretended to be a 49ers player.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And he was filming-
- MMMatt McCusker
Starting wide receiver.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, here we go. Uh, 35-year-old DeJon Love, who federal authorities say faked an entire NFL career as a 49ers wide receiver to scam others, has been arrested and charged with defrauding over 26 women out of w- more than $1.3 million. Love allegedly met women through dating apps, convinced many they were in a legitimate ro- romantic relationships with him, and portrayed himself as either a wealthy NFL player or a successful real estate investor. Uh, fake 49ers, fake Instagram themed presence, fake banks and investment. I think he had, like, uh, an 18-year-old that he would put on, um, FaceTime and was like, "Oh, this is my investment advisor," and it's just, like, one of his friends-
- MMMatt McCusker
Really?
- CWChris Williamson
... who was 18 years old. And, uh, yeah, he, one, one woman lost around 87,000 and helped him get a McLaren. To qualify for the McLaren, he made her a fake pay stub saying she earned about 50K a month. Another woman gave him s- seven grand for an apartment he never got for her. Another gave him around 30 grand for a Mercedes. After a while, you just think, like, the, these people kind of deserve it.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, come on.
- MMMatt McCusker
The, the, well, the romance scams are really, really messed up. Also, working, him working out on the beach is hilarious. Just a football helmet on the beach is like, that's one that I'd even catch. Like, hold on a second. I never... You don't see-
- CWChris Williamson
Hey, uh [laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
I remember Tom Brady-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... in swim shorts? Legit helmet.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, [chuckles] it's like a regular football pad. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
It's a memor- it's a, it's a memorabilia helmet-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. [laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
... presumably.
- 32:15 – 41:00
How Lindsay Clancy Divided America
- CWChris Williamson
at the moment.
- MMMatt McCusker
What?
- CWChris Williamson
Or is she on bail? Would she be on bail? I think she'll be on bail.
- MMMatt McCusker
What?
- CWChris Williamson
Well, is she, has she... Can you work out if she's got bail or not? But mistrial, so they've gotta do, they've gotta run it back.
- MMMatt McCusker
Do it again.
- CWChris Williamson
They've got, this whole thing has got to happen again. At least again, or maybe go up to some-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... bigger court or whatever.
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, dude, it's... I, so I was actually reading about this, uh, last night, and I didn't realize, first of all, it happened like three years ago, three or four years ago. The husband's already mar- he's remarried.
- CWChris Williamson
But the weird thing is it's been, three years is quite a long time.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
It's not a long time to get over something traumatic, but for everyone that... I didn't, I'd never heard Lindsay Clancy's name until three weeks ago.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And for him, this is n- part of... Like, think about where you were three years ago, three and a half years ago. You're like, "Yeah, that was quite a long time ago."
- MMMatt McCusker
It was a while, but it's like... Yeah, but I think, I think he's just, like... I could be wrong. I think he just, like, works in an office.
- CWChris Williamson
Normal dude.
- MMMatt McCusker
Sounds like an office job. Yeah, just has, like, an office job. That would be, that'd be insane.
- CWChris Williamson
I had a psychiatrist, uh, earlier on this week, and he worked in the ward where she was discharged from. He, like, knows the doctors-
- MMMatt McCusker
Whoa
- CWChris Williamson
... that prescribed her all of the medications, the people that looked after her care, everything. And there's a little bit, I think especially a lot of guys sort of defaulted to, "She killed her kids," like, eh.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, and then there was a little bit of me as he was expl- it was an hour of him just explaining the deep neuroscience of what happened with the pharmacology and, and, and, um, what happens with the psychosis and how all-encompassing and, and, uh, like, totally compelling it is, and basically your agency is taken away from you. They use the example of talking of, like, farting and shitting. You use the example of, you know, when you go to the bathroom and you take a dump and you're like, "One, huh, one wipe wasn't enough. Like, I need to go again." And you don't even think about it, you just do it.
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm.
- CWChris Williamson
He said, "Oh, that's kind of what psychosis is like. You don't even think about it. You kind of just get compelled." So he's... An hour of him explaining it to me, and as he was doing it, there was a little bit of me that was thinking [sighs] , "This is... I thought I had my position."
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
"And now you have decided to, like, just pull the pin on this grenade, and now I h- now I'm all conflicted again. And now I'm in, I'm, now I'm with everyone else who's like, 'I don't know what the... I d- how do we deal with this as a society?'" It's kind of crazy.
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, here's the thing to me. It's, it's like, yeah, it is, it sucks. It's like the whole situation sucks. The poor... I, like, really felt bad for the dad. I was reading about him last night. I'm like, "Damn, this guy's just actually just started his life over." I'm like, "That sounds sad." And then you have the lady who it's like, yeah, she, you know, strangled her children to death and, you know, maybe she was in psychosis. It, it, the thing too is, like, if she had been a meth addict and got high on meth and then killed her kids, everyone would be like, yeah, throw the book at her.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm. Mm.
- MMMatt McCusker
Since I guess she's trying to get, you know, help or whatever, it's slightly different. My, my only problem is when, like... 'Cause you get, you have people now who, even, like, neuroscience types who are like, "Free will's an illusion. We don't have free will. It's just all-"
- 41:00 – 46:13
Why Support After Birth is So Important
- MMMatt McCusker
a relatively pretty new thing of, like, just have a kid and just sit in a fucking house for a year by yourself. As a lady, I, I think especially it's, like, really fucked up.
- CWChris Williamson
I asked, uh, literally an expert who wrote a book called Dad Brain. So there's mom brain, which you lose about 3% of your gray matter. It's like executive function, you forget where the keys are. But what is interesting is you actually become better at knowing about stuff to do with the kid. You're just really bad at knowing about some-
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm
- CWChris Williamson
... other stuff, you know, managing your calendar or doing finances or whatever. And dads have kind of the same sort of a thing. I was talking to her, and, uh, she thinks the same thing. She thinks that it's almost exclusively mediated by, is there support? Do you feel like you're well-contained and held by the local community? There used to be this time, Louise Perry taught me about this, there was this time called laying-in. You ever heard of this?
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-mm.
- CWChris Williamson
So laying-in was a month-long period in the m- Middle Ages where a woman that had just given birth, all that she did was lie in the living room or whatever, and everybody had to s- s- do stuff for her.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, be nice to her. Like, bring her food, uh, help her go to the bathroom, help her get washed. Like, "What do you want? Do you need a shoulder rub?" Like, "We'll look after the baby."
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, it's just everybody was as... a kind of probably a infuriating amount of attention.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, actually if you were a bit of an introvert, you're like, "Okay, this has been nice, but I would like you to leave." And, um-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... they j- that was it. And now you think no mandatory maternity leave and people are back in the fucking solo cubicle office within, like... You still haven't even physically recovered.
- MMMatt McCusker
Oh, yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Haven't re- haven't physically recovered.
- MMMatt McCusker
And, and now you're at work going, like, I make, you know... I have to make more than basically, um, daycare, basically. If I don't make as much as daycare, then I'm at home. If I do-
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, you're running on a treadmill. It's you versus daycare, and if you don't run fast enough, you, like-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... get kicked off the back of it.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's... Dude, it's, yeah, it's brutal. And especially when you have a kid, that first, like, two weeks or so, everyone's like, "Hey," everyone's stopping by, and then it's just like, that's over. And it's just you, and you're like, you know, if you're, you're sitting there, you're nursing it all the time. That's, like, constantly releasing hormones when they're feeding from you, that you don't produce enough milk. Produce... It's, it's kind of a nightmare, dude. It, it really is, uh, should be revisited as to, like- How people go about doing that kind of stuff, 'cause it's, it's not, it's not good at all. I think we got the 90-day maternity leave from, uh... There was just, like, a therapist back, I think it was an English guy, who was just like, Winnicott. He was just like, "Yo, you gotta give these, you gotta give these people, like, at least a couple months."
- CWChris Williamson
Something.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, he, he determined, he was like, 90 days is the bare minimum you have to give them.
- CWChris Williamson
UK is nine months mandatory.
- MMMatt McCusker
Is it really?
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, I don't think we do that here. I think we got, like-
- CWChris Williamson
I think people can get-
- MMMatt McCusker
... churn and burn. Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, you gotta get, gotta get you back into the meat grinder, dude.
- 46:13 – 56:48
Why Having Kids Makes Getting Hit in the Nuts Worth It
- MMMatt McCusker
self in your brain that you're always thinking about this person. You're still thinking about yourself, and then, like, it's, it's very weird how that works-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm
- MMMatt McCusker
... 'cause it is, 'cause you notice, like, you know, you're like, "All right, it's time. I'm gonna do this," and you're like, you have to do something with your kid, and you're like, "All right, I'll get to that later." Then you start being like, "I'll never get to that other th-" Like, it's, it's just not happening.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
Like, I'm never gonna do it, and you kinda go through this weird kind of like, uh, inner transformation-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm
- MMMatt McCusker
... over time where you're, like, just letting certain things die off, and you... But it's, it's nice 'cause, you know, you feel good to, like-
- CWChris Williamson
But cl- like, no one really enjoys an insane level of selfishness. I think too much attention on yourself. I ca- I saw this tweet the other week that said something like, um, "You're not autistic. You're just spending too much time in the house on your own, and it's making you weird."
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And-
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] I also don't think you're, you should, like, I don't think your brain's designed to think about yourself for more-
- CWChris Williamson
Bingo
- MMMatt McCusker
... than, like, 30-something years.
- CWChris Williamson
Bingo.
- MMMatt McCusker
'Cause I had a kid when I was, like, in my 30s, and I remember being like, I've played all the hits of, like, why don't I do this? I'm gonna do this, and I'm like, I remember thinking, like, this is getting kinda fucking old. I'm, like, circling all these tracks. Then you have a kid, and you're like, "All right, thank God. I can just think about you now."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Jimmy Carr talks about saying it's, um, uh, having a child is, um, uh, it's a surgical procedure where your own heart now lives outside of your own body.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, you're just, okay, now this is the thing that's the most important. But yeah, I mean, I, I definitely believe a lot of the malaise in, like, business pursuits and, and, like, weird habits and, and, like, obsessions that guys have are just surrogate families they haven't got around to yet. You think so much of this would be fixed if you just had a-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... had a baby that you were looking after because it would clean out all the barnacles off the bottom of the ship, or maybe it would just completely torpedo your life 'cause you can't afford it. I don't know.
- MMMatt McCusker
That too. But, but also it i- there is something where it's like, um, like I've tried a lot of stuff. If I already had kids, I'd be like, "All right, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that," and da, da. And you do things, and you're like, "Yeah, I guess it's kinda cool." When you have a kid, it's like it, like, clicks in a very obvious set groove in your brain where you're like, "Yes, this makes sense why I'm doing this now." 'Cause I would do things, and I'm like, "Why, why am I even doing this?" And you're just like, "Okay, this all makes sense."
- CWChris Williamson
I have a purpose.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, it's like a, it's like a baked in kind of purpose. It's just, and it's funny too 'cause, like, when you examine it from, like, you know, like, advantages and all this stuff, it's, like, just more so disadvantages. Like, I get hit in the nuts constantly. I get woken up early.
- CWChris Williamson
Why?
- MMMatt McCusker
Dude, kids just hit you in the nuts, right?
- CWChris Williamson
On purpose?
- MMMatt McCusker
As soon as... Well, they're like, they're ha- they'll, like, go to, like, hit you.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, they're nut heighted.
- MMMatt McCusker
They're just nut height.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- 56:48 – 1:10:30
Are We All Natural Pessimists?
- CWChris Williamson
31st, 1852. Woke up at 6:00 o'clock, woke everyone up. I did not get up and slept until 9:00.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] That's it? That's his whole diary.
- CWChris Williamson
January 25th, 1851. I've fallen in love or imagine that I have. Went to a party and lost my head. Bought a horse, which I don't need at all. The guy sounds fucking awesome. [laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, he does, man. He- Tolstoy was another one of those Russian guys, right? The Russian writers are unbelievable.
- CWChris Williamson
Built different.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. Com- like 100%, dude.
- CWChris Williamson
They'd be living in the insane asylum.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
They would love that.
- MMMatt McCusker
They're wild dudes. I'm, I'm reading a Dostoevsky book right now, or however you say his name, and it's... Dude, those guys are... That time, I don't know when Tolstoy was alive, but that like 1890s Russia time period, it's, it's... I was... It's insane. 'Cause like, you know, obviously there's no cell phones or whatever, but like, you're just in a town full of people and like they would obviously have their beefs and quarrels and stuff, but like you couldn't, like, you know, you can text someone now like, "Hey, what do you wanna do?" And if they don't get back to you, you're like, "Well, I don't think they wanna hang out." You'd have to go to someone's house and they'd be like, "Go away." And you'd be like, "What the fuck's your problem?" He'd be like, "I don't like you." And you'd be like, "Okay, fuck."
- CWChris Williamson
Do you think this is unique to Russia?
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, it's just that time period.
- CWChris Williamson
In general.
- MMMatt McCusker
But it was just like, you know, they're, just the way they talk to each other is so fu- I think in general probably the whole area's like that.
- CWChris Williamson
The way that, the way that beef unfolded before cell phone-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... before being able to make phone calls is, well, everything's face to face.
- MMMatt McCusker
And it was also that like old time kind of like vocal register where they'd be like, "Your of- your presence offends me. Get out."
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
'Cause you would do, dude, it's like they do it in the book where like you gotta find matches. So if you don't know where your matches are, they were like your cell phone. 'Cause like if you were, if it, if it, if it was nighttime, you had to light matches, light a candle. People would just come into your house and be like, "Hey, what's up? Hey, I need... My wife's giving birth. I need..." Or, "I need a..." So you're just sleeping-
- CWChris Williamson
People just-
- MMMatt McCusker
... and you'd be like, "Who's there?" And you'd be like, "Oh, it's me." He'd be like, "Get out. I don't like you." And he's like, "Hey, I need to talk to you now."
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
And you'd be like, "Be gone, fool." And you're like, "Where are my matches?" And you'd be f- fumbling around in the dark, and you light a match, and be like, "Oh, fuck. It's some other guy." Dude, dude, [laughs] it was like-
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
... it just fucking, it was crazy to think about. They'd be like, "Well, very well. I shan't come back, and I, I'll, I'll leave you here, you wretched beast." And you'd be like, "You're a fool." And it's just like, all right, then you just go to bed and you're like, "Fuck that guy."
- CWChris Williamson
The idea that your entire, [laughs] your, your entire existence is reliant on whether or not you can find your matches, and you've got-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... you've got beefs that play out in fr- I, I mean... [laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
Fucked. It's crazy.
- 1:10:30 – 1:19:04
Was Matt a Bad Drug Dealer?
- MMMatt McCusker
it and I was like, holy fuck, man. [chuckles] That was crazy.
- CWChris Williamson
Came really close.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. So you think about it and you're like, holy shit. Like, that would've not have been that crazy. Like I had-
- CWChris Williamson
Was that debts and stuff like that?
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-mm. Robbery. They were robbing me. I wasn't, I was not a robber. I was the robbee, so I would get robbed. I would get robbed constantly, and I would just be like, "Whatever. Fuck it."
- CWChris Williamson
Sounds like the wo- you sound like the worst drug dealer ever.
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, here's the thing. I would... Well, hold on. I was-
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
It was these other guys that were the worst drug dealers. I was doing my job. I was on time. I was punctual. I was quality control, very quality control forward. I, you know, I, I was, I was never trying to rip people off. But for me, I was always... For me, money was always to buy kind of freedom. So I never, I didn't care about, like, nice stuff. I never, like, wasted. I would just save all my money and be like, "Yes, I don't have to work for, like, six months. This is awesome." Then I would get robbed and I would just be like, "All right, I'll make it again. Come on, guys. Let's go." But, like, you just, you think about it and it's like, for me, it's like, yeah, it's cool, you know, the blah, blah, blah, to get out of it and, like, risk-taking. I think that's all good stuff.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMatt McCusker
But then it's like, dude, I could have just, like, chilled out something internally too. Like, I didn't have to go that crazy.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm. Mm-hmm.
- MMMatt McCusker
You know, I could've, I could've slowly but surely figured things out and blah, blah, blah, and it's like... Yeah, I'm just... It's, it is a relief. You're like, never have to worry about that. Like, cop- I've got pulled over by cops recently and just kinda like, "Hey, what's up, guys?" Before I would've been like, "My life's over. I'm dead. This is terrible. I'm going to jail for it." Now I'm just kinda like, "What's up, guys?"
- CWChris Williamson
Hello.
- MMMatt McCusker
How you doing, brother?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's, it's, it's so nice.
- CWChris Williamson
You sound like a very stand-up drug dealer.
- MMMatt McCusker
I was.
- CWChris Williamson
You're like, "Oh, he's a nice, he's a nice-"
- MMMatt McCusker
Dude, I got that. It was the one compliment I always get. They're like, "Dude, you're, you're actually on time. You're this, you're that." I was very good. I didn't, I never ripped people off or anything like that.
- CWChris Williamson
Isn't it a shame that there aren't Trustpilot reviews for drug dealers? Wouldn't that be good?
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. [chuckles]
- CWChris Williamson
You'd have had, you'd have had a great rating.
- MMMatt McCusker
Well, I think that's like the dark web now. So I think you kind of... If you're like, a lot of them just operate on the dark web.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm.
- MMMatt McCusker
And it's like you can just forego all of the drama and crazy stuff.
- CWChris Williamson
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- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm
- CWChris Williamson
... on the dark web, the game is completely different 'cause it's not about who you know.
- 1:19:04 – 1:25:47
Are Life’s Cliches Actually Right?
- CWChris Williamson
Like-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. No, it's-
- CWChris Williamson
I just... But it's really, like, oh, it's the same, it's the same as it was before.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
That's, there it is.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's... Dude, it's, uh... Yeah, that's... When I travel for stand-up, I'll, like, my hotel rooms, it's the same. I walk into that silence, and I'm like, "Ah." It's just kind of... People are like, "That must be great, right?" I'm like, "No, I don't. I really, I really dislike it," but... But yeah, that was kind of, like, my My whole, my, I guess the thing that I've, like, learned, like, horribly in the wrong, like, the hard way is that, like, if at my early 20s... 'Cause the problem was is, like, you, at least I think, in school it's geared towards, like, achieve for yourself and yourself alone, get into the best school, make the best, make the most money. But then you're, like, set on this track that you're like... Like, I remember being, like, in college being like, "I don't really care about that. But I also wanna do well and I wanna have a nice life." And it was like, had this big conflict where it was like if I were to talk to, like, a, a 20-year-old now, I'd be like, "Find something you like to do that maybe benefits other people, and that will actually give you enough meaning to, like, endure the horrible time-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm
- MMMatt McCusker
... in your early career where you're eating shit and everyone, you know, it sucks." 'Cause I tried to, like, lightning jump ahead of that, and it just was, like, a fucking disaster for, like, [chuckles] 15 y- it was a one disaster after another just to get out of, like, b- I was such a pussy about having a job and being like, "I deserve more than this." And it's like, I, I could, almost died because of it.
- CWChris Williamson
Deserve to have a gun pointed at you.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, I almost literally died because I, I could've just, like, found something I was interested in-
- CWChris Williamson
Because I couldn't drink coffee and sit in a cubicle.
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] Yeah, I know. I know. Dude, I for real, I, like, see office guys hanging out at, like, lunchtime, like 10 people at lunch, and it would get to the point where I would be, like, envious of them. I'm like, "Dude, that actually looks nice."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMatt McCusker
"It looks nice. You're there with your friends."
- CWChris Williamson
Have a great time. Yeah.
- MMMatt McCusker
Everyone's kinda chilling.
- CWChris Williamson
Don't need to take your work home with you.
- MMMatt McCusker
No.
- CWChris Williamson
You're not worried about someone breaking your door down.
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-mm.
- CWChris Williamson
Your housemate doesn't hate you.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. You're just, you're ju- it's so, it's like... And I remember, like, almost craving boredom at a point where I was like, "I wish I fucking was bored. That'd be awesome."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- MMMatt McCusker
Not have to worry about, like, 90 million different things and, you know, it's like-
- CWChris Williamson
People really sort of shit talk university, going to college or whatever, and then they do the same thing about having a 9:00 to 5:00. And it's cool to b- being able to do your own thing or build your thing or work on someone's thing that's smaller and you've got more ownership over. All that shit's great, but it's not, it's not necessarily better and that I don't have to take my work home with me. I get my weekends off when I want. I don't have to worry about, like, making pay for the people that work for me and a- like, all of that shit. A lot of people think, "Oh, working for myself means that I get to choose when I work." But what it results in is you just working all the time.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And you go, "I..." Do you want that? Is that kind of what your dream is? And you're right as well to say that, um, you're going to have to endure a bunch of... Like, you're gonna have to eat some shit.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
It's like what flavor shit can you eat?
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- 1:25:47 – 1:34:02
Ending Up in the Same Spot Isn’t the Same As Having Never Left
- CWChris Williamson
uh, like flippant and dismissive of any stuff-
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm
- CWChris Williamson
... even if it was probably useful. Like, no, it's, like, stupid 'cause I, I've learned it from a lecturer who has never run a business, right?
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Which is the interesting thing about typical business courses. Everyone goes to think, "I'm gonna learn how to run a business," being taught by people who don't run businesses, which is-
- MMMatt McCusker
Dude, the business theory guys. Uh, I went to school for business as well, and I was kinda like, "So you're a doctor in business?" [laughs] Like-
- CWChris Williamson
Why are you not in business?
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs]
- CWChris Williamson
Should you not be... Like, that would be like finding out that you're learning from a doctor that... or, or a surgeon or something. And you're like-
- MMMatt McCusker
Or like a research doc- yeah, it's like getting surgery by a research doctor. You're kinda like, "All right, dude."
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, this, like, you know, this doesn't make sense.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah, those guys. That, that was a f- so yeah, that's... Sorry. That made me laugh 'cause I had a similar experience being like, "What the fuck? What are you-"
- CWChris Williamson
Why are you here?
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, but anyway, so like I, I go through university, and I'm like, "Oh, this fucking doesn't really... I, I don't really understand w- what it is that I'm learning." And then I get out on the other side, and I haven't read a book in, in for... Like, Harry Potter was, like, the last book-
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm
- CWChris Williamson
... I read when I was 14 or something.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
And then, um, I go to do Love Island, that reality TV thing, and you have a week of media lockdown where they need to release to the press who's going on the show. But they don't want any of the people that are going on the show to know the u- other people that are going on the show. So they basically have a guy that supervises you and lives with you for a week, and you go and do all of your interviews with the TV and the radio and the press people, and then he watches you at all times. And you're living in, it was Palma, Mallorca, so the south coast of Mallorca.
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
And you have a little geographic area that you're allowed to move in with your chaperone, and he follows you 24 hours a day. And then all of the other people that are on the show have got different territories, and they go to different gyms at different times to make sure that there's no chance that you would-
- MMMatt McCusker
Whoa
- CWChris Williamson
... overlap each other. It's really crazy. It's fucking wild.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
It's like a military operation. And, um, while I was there, they're taking your phone off you, and you're not allowed to access the Inter- you can't even go to news agents. You're not allowed to go into a news agents on your own in case, you know, there's an-
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm
- CWChris Williamson
... English newspaper that's about to say, "The new series of this thing," and-
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah
- CWChris Williamson
... "Here's the people that are there," or whatever. And, um, so I, I was like, "I've got nothing to do." And all I've done is message people on WhatsApp like, "Hey mate, are you coming out tonight?" for a decade.
- MMMatt McCusker
Mm-hmm.
- 1:34:02 – 1:37:08
Was Matt a Private Investigator?
- MMMatt McCusker
kinda just, like, let me do it, and they kinda give you a little thing. Like, you know, if cops come up and bother you, just show them this thing.
- CWChris Williamson
So nothing, you're telling me, basically.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you could get your real thing, but I didn't have, like, a real license. I was just doing kinda, like, PI grunt work. So they give you, like, a little fake, you know, uh, uh, "Here, here, do this." And, like, show... If someone comes up to bother you, be like, "Hey, I'm working with these guys." So you have, like, something to flash the cops.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay.
- MMMatt McCusker
'Cause they'll call the cops on you. They'll be like, "Why? Who's this person been sitting in my driveway?"
- CWChris Williamson
Follow me.
- MMMatt McCusker
Um, I thought it'd be a lot more exciting than it was. It was very boring. I did it for two days, and I stopped.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
I, I had to, I had to sit outside, like, a fucking, like, warehouse. And, like, they're like, "Here's a grainy photo of a guy." I had to just sit there, and I, like, you know, I, um, I had to, like, wait for the shift to see if it was, like, the guy came out. But it was like, I, I... It was just hard to even distinguish. I had, like, the grainy photo of a Black guy, and then, like, 12 Black guys came out of the building, and I was just like, "Fuck. [laughs] Fuck." And it was wintertime. Everyone's wearing hats and scarves and shit. I was like, "Bro, I can't. I gotta get, like... I need to get, like, up to face to face to even have a shot." So I just sat there and read books for, like, two days and, like, told my buddy, I was like, "Bro, I can't. I'm not-"
- CWChris Williamson
This isn't for me.
- MMMatt McCusker
"This isn't for me."
- CWChris Williamson
Take your badge back.
- MMMatt McCusker
Dude, he was showing me, like, fucking spy watches and shit when I went in there. I'm thinking I'm gonna be in a bar, like, recording conversations. I was in my car just for, like, 12 hours.
- CWChris Williamson
Just reading, watching.
- MMMatt McCusker
Reading books. Then when I come up, I'm like, "Oh, shit, they did a shift change."
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
I was a, I was a terrible private eye. [laughs] It was one of my... Yeah, it was one of my many jobs. But that was, that was two days. And I, I would have jobs, too. During my whole career of, I would say, mainly selling weed, it was like I would have good time. I... Booms and busts within that. So then at the, during the bust, I had to go get a job. So I would kind of, like, constantly be doing, like, multiple things.
- CWChris Williamson
Sell, sell drugs, make money, get robbed, take job.
- MMMatt McCusker
Yep. Save money, buy drugs if I can't get them front-
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
Or if I can't get them fronted, I'd have to save up money again and then, yeah, start over again. [laughs] And then I would get the job. When I knew I had enough money from weed, I would start trying to find weed customers at my job, and then I would quit the job.
- CWChris Williamson
[laughs]
- MMMatt McCusker
[laughs] And then I would, then I would leave.
- CWChris Williamson
The, the Princess Peach alien sounds like heaven compared with that.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's the best. Dude, it's, it's like, yes, it's the... That was the big thing. When I had kids, I re- 'cause I had such a, like, a weird anxiety and fixation over, like, what's my job? Da, da, da. And I, I... Once I had kids, I remember the guy came in to change, like... I was in, like, the hospital room, and, uh, the guy came in to change the paper towels out of the dispenser. And I was like, "Oh, dude, I could, I could do that for all I give a fuck. You know, I don't care."
- CWChris Williamson
Mm.
- MMMatt McCusker
It's like if, it, it, like, it all made sense to me where I'm like, "Yeah, you just get a job, dude, to have, so you have money to do all this other important stuff-"
- CWChris Williamson
Mm
- MMMatt McCusker
... rather than being, like, blinded by, like, my job is my entire world.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- 1:37:08 – 1:37:14
Where to Find Matt
- CWChris Williamson
episode without dying. Now, here's another one. Go on, watch it.
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