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Sobriety And The Future Of Social Media Marketing | Dominic McGregor

Dominic McGregor is the COO and Co Founder of Social Chain. Today I'm sitting down with Dom to catch up after we first spoke on Modern Wisdom 12 months ago. We reflect on his continuing journey through sobriety, why he believes that Social Chain may know their users better than they even know themselves and where the future of online advertising is heading. Thank you to Social Chain for letting me use their fantastic studio and Video Guy Ollie for recording everything. I can't wait to go back. Extra Stuff: Listen to Dom's first episode on Modern Wisdom - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/005-dominic-mcgregor-controlling-worlds-social-media/id1347973549?i=1000403107274 Follow Dom on Instagram - https://instagram.com/dpjmcgregor Check out Dom's company Social Chain - https://www.socialchain.com/ Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

Chris WilliamsonhostDominic McGregorguest
Jun 3, 20191h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:40

    Catching up: one year on, internet “midnight browsing” as a personality tell

    Chris and Dominic reunite a year after their last episode and warm up with stories about “memories” posts and online behavior. Dominic argues the truest snapshot of a person is what they consume online late at night when no one’s watching.

  2. 4:40 – 9:52

    YouTube suggestions expose taste—and a detour into Gary Vee, hustle culture, and sleep

    They test Dominic’s theory by comparing their YouTube suggested videos, then spiral into a critique of hustle/grind culture. Chris and Dominic argue sleep deprivation is a hidden cost of performative productivity and that motivational gurus can create unhealthy expectations.

  3. 9:52 – 12:48

    Two years, nine months sober: when drinking becomes unthinkable

    Dominic explains that sobriety has progressed to the point where he barely remembers what drinking felt like. He describes a compounding, “exponential” self-improvement effect and a stable internal calm that makes quick-fix coping feel unnecessary.

  4. 12:48 – 14:38

    Health tradeoffs and homeostasis: routines, resilience, and gut/immune tweaks

    Dominic discusses unexpected adjustments in a sober lifestyle: late nights hit harder, routines matter more, and the body finds new equilibrium. They explore resilience, immune system sensitivity, and Dominic’s claim about gut bacteria changes without alcohol.

  5. 14:38 – 17:23

    Control vs “substance still controlling you”: why Dominic won’t reintroduce alcohol

    Chris revisits a prior philosophical question: does total abstinence still give alcohol power? Dominic reframes his past drinking as a symptom of underlying anxiety/escape needs, now addressed through healthier processing—making alcohol unnecessary rather than forbidden.

  6. 17:23 – 20:33

    The only drug you must justify not taking: social pressure, age shifts, and “wish I could”

    They reflect on cultural norms that make non-drinking suspicious, contrasting alcohol with other drugs (and caffeine). Dominic notes social acceptance changes with age: at 23 sobriety seems “boring,” but by 26 people often respond with admiration and envy.

  7. 20:33 – 23:37

    Fear of missing out: weddings as the sobriety stress test and staying in control

    Chris asks how to handle worries about exclusion when you stop drinking. Dominic uses weddings as a vivid example of why sobriety can improve social experiences: you keep agency, avoid drama, leave when you want, and remember the day clearly.

  8. 23:37 – 26:01

    Learning real confidence: alcohol as outsourced courage and rebuilding social skills

    They argue alcohol often functions as rented bravery, preventing real skill development. Dominic claims sobriety builds self-esteem and conversational confidence, while Chris frames drinking as a way to tolerate boring situations you should opt out of.

  9. 26:01 – 29:00

    Early sobriety coping: swapping vices, CBT stimulus-response, and transforming habits

    Dominic describes the first phase of not drinking: the stress remained, so he replaced alcohol with food or sleep as temporary escapes. Over time, he applied a CBT-like stimulus-response approach, shifting from junk food to healthier eating and then to better emotional tolerance.

  10. 29:00 – 31:50

    Chris’s 18-month sobriety plan: summer triggers, replacements, and testing boundaries

    Chris explains why he chose an 18-month sobriety period: six months was easy, but he expects summer to be the real challenge. They discuss practical replacements (kombucha, sparkling water) and how rituals—like a pint after football—can be recreated without alcohol.

  11. 31:50 – 35:09

    From sobriety to social marketing: the irreversible ‘publish’ button and platform differences

    They pivot to social media operations and the anxiety of posting at massive scale. Dominic notes Twitter is uniquely unforgiving because posts can’t be edited, while other platforms allow corrections—changing the risk profile of campaign execution.

  12. 35:09 – 38:56

    The attention economy’s next phase: valuing time, TikTok’s ‘fun’ reset, and offline resurgence

    Dominic predicts the biggest shift will come when consumers recognize attention as valuable and allocate time more deliberately. He contrasts entertainment, gaming, real-world interaction, and social media, arguing platforms like TikTok grew by feeling lighter and less status-driven, alongside a renewed desire for physical experiences (books, phone-free hangouts).

  13. 38:56 – 41:29

    Future-proofing Social Chain: diversify beyond platforms and build around social insight

    Dominic explains Social Chain’s strategy: follow where attention goes (gaming, entertainment, podcasting) and use social data as an intelligence layer to guide broader marketing decisions. The goal is resilience—surviving even if a major platform disappears—by focusing on insight-led strategy rather than channel dependency.

  14. 41:29 – 47:07

    Authenticity and personalization: KFC fries, Qantas kindness, and the risk of manufactured moments

    They explore how social listening and direct communication can drive real business change and brand love. Dominic highlights authenticity and personalization as the two core levers: values can now beat price, but audiences are increasingly skeptical if ‘viral goodwill’ moments feel staged.

  15. 47:07 – 1:00:43

    Retail as experience (and digital as convenience): Toys“R”Us, IKEA, Harry Potter Land, and social equity

    They argue physical retail survives by offering experiences that can’t be replicated online, while some brands should stay digital-first if their audience prioritizes convenience. The conversation ties into ‘social equity’—how purchases, venues, and aesthetics function as identity signals in a world of constant sharing.

  16. 1:00:43 – 1:07:51

    Closing sobriety philosophy: gradual decline, ‘no safe level,’ and choosing to be uncommon

    They return to sobriety with a long-term health framing: alcohol’s harm accumulates subtly for moderate drinkers, and evidence suggests no safe consumption level. Chris shares he may drink again in limited windows, but both agree sobriety represents full cognitive control—and being ‘weird’ is often the price of excellence.

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