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The Dark Side Of Feminism's "Liberation" - Mary Harrington

Mary Harrington is a contributing editor at UnHerd and an author. Women have been subject to a lot of changes over the past 200 years. Liberated first from the land, then from the house, then from the womb, and finally even from their own nature. But has it actually helped? Has modern feminism been for the best or has it made women's lives more confusing than ever? Expect to learn why feminism might not have delivered on the promises it made to the world, why there is a war on relationships between the sexes, Mary's guess on why there are so few families getting together, how women's liberation has only worked for a small number of women at the expense of many others, why abortion and birth control actually led to more single parent households and much more... Sponsors: Get $100 off plus an extra 15% discount on Qualia Mind at https://neurohacker.com/modernwisdom (use code MW15) Get 83% discount & 3 months free from Surfshark VPN at https://surfshark.deals/MODERNWISDOM (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 20% discount on House Of Macadamias’ nuts at https://houseofmacadamias.com/modernwisdom (use code MW20) Extra Stuff: Buy Feminism Against Progress - https://amzn.to/3YUNkfY Subscribe to Mary's Substack - https://reactionaryfeminist.substack.com/ Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #feminism #women #sex - 00:00 Intro 00:33 What Qualifies Mary to Critique Feminism? 09:00 Hasn’t There Been Progress for Women Since the Industrial Revolution? 21:28 Feminism After the 1800s 25:50 When Men ‘White-Knight’ for Women 30:20 The Impact of the Sexual Revolution 39:02 What are the Motivations Behind Modern Feminist Progress? 58:25 The Worrying Rise of 'Transhumanism' 1:11:21 Society’s Need to Abolish ‘Big Romance’ 1:25:02 Is the Sexual Revolution Sidelining Men? 1:32:16 The Feminist Case for Not Taking the Pill 1:38:24 How People Can Help to Abolish ‘Big Romance’ 1:43:26 Where to Find Mary - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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Mar 2, 20231h 44mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:30

    OnlyFans, commodified sexuality, and the collapse of trust between the sexes

    Mary opens with a critique of the cultural message that self-commodification—up to and including OnlyFans—is framed as empowerment. She argues this market logic corrodes trust, making vulnerability and long-term love feel too risky, with downstream effects on happiness and family formation.

    • Sexual self-commodification is widely marketed as empowerment
    • Porn and subscription models intensify adversarial gender dynamics
    • Erosion of trust and vulnerability undermines relationship formation
    • Long-term consequences: fewer stable partnerships, fewer children
  2. 0:30 – 5:54

    Why Mary Harrington thinks she can critique feminism: from 'card-carrying' to disillusioned

    Mary explains her personal trajectory: early second-wave feminism in her teens, then third-wave/woke commitments in her 20s. A prolonged period of rethinking—shaped by marriage and motherhood—leads her to question the idea of linear progress and the assumptions of mainstream 'magazine feminism.'

    • Former second-wave then third-wave/woke adherent
    • A seven-year worldview rebuild after disillusionment
    • Motherhood exposes tensions in liberal feminist narratives
    • Question: can feminism exist without belief in progress?
  3. 5:54 – 7:24

    Work leaving the home: the Industrial Revolution as the real driver of feminist change

    Mary reframes feminism as a response to material and technological change rather than moral awakening. She argues the Industrial Revolution shifted the household from a productive unit to a private/dependent sphere, creating new vulnerabilities for women and catalyzing legal reforms.

    • Pre-industrial household as the main unit of production
    • Industrialization pulls work out of the home and reshapes family life
    • Women’s dependence increases as economic productivity is externalized
    • Early feminist reforms respond to new structural risks
  4. 7:24 – 10:21

    Power before modernity: informal female influence vs formal male authority

    Mary challenges the simplistic story that pre-modern women were merely chattel. She notes that while men often held formal power, women could wield substantial informal power via reputation, community networks, and social enforcement mechanisms.

    • Formal power often male; informal power often female-coded
    • Literature and village studies suggest nuanced female agency
    • Reputation, gossip, and social sanctions as community power tools
    • Modern frameworks often miss non-institutional power
  5. 10:21 – 17:03

    Progress as a contested metric: 'things change' doesn’t mean 'things improve'

    Chris presses whether gains in women’s rights prove progress; Mary distinguishes change from improvement. She argues that choosing any metric for progress often presupposes the conclusion, making “progress” philosophically slippery.

    • Better on some metrics, worse on others
    • No neutral metric for total human wellbeing across eras
    • Progress claims often beg the question
    • Feminism read as adaptation to conditions, not moral evolution
  6. 17:03 – 21:42

    Class fractures inside feminism: who benefits from 'equal treatment' policies?

    They explore how policies framed as universally beneficial often optimize outcomes for higher-status women while harming working-class women. Mary uses historical disputes over sex-specific labor protections to show recurring tensions and parallels to today’s gender-ideology debates.

    • Women’s interests differ by class and circumstance
    • Factory protections vs professional equality creates policy conflict
    • Middle-class feminist priorities can align with industrial interests
    • Parallels to single-sex spaces and modern gender debates
  7. 21:42 – 28:36

    Two feminisms: care/interdependence vs freedom/market entry—and the pill as the decisive win

    Mary describes feminism’s long-running internal polarity: a care-oriented tradition versus a freedom-oriented one aiming for parity in public/market life. She argues the 1960s (contraception plus digital modernity) locked in the “freedom” model and squeezed out the logic of care.

    • Care/interdependence vs freedom/parity as recurring poles
    • Motherhood and high-powered public life can become zero-sum
    • 1960s as the turning point where 'freedom feminism' wins
    • Contraception and abortion become technological backstops
  8. 28:36 – 30:33

    White-knighting and 'male feminist' paradoxes

    Chris raises online 'allyship' hypocrisy; Mary offers a cautious but pointed observation that self-styled male feminists repeatedly appear in sex-pest scandals. She suggests one mechanism is false equivalence between male and female sexuality; another is strategic camouflage.

    • Pattern: male feminist branding sometimes correlates with scandals
    • Hypothesis 1: mistaken belief men and women are sexually identical
    • Hypothesis 2: 'duck blind' camouflage for predatory behavior
    • Mary avoids imputations about specific names discussed
  9. 30:33 – 35:14

    Sexual revolution meets the market: from Playboy to porn to OnlyFans

    Mary argues the sexual revolution underestimated how quickly liberated domains get absorbed by commerce. Once sex is culturally reframed as consequence-free and private (via contraception), pornography and later digital platforms scale sexual commodification dramatically.

    • Freedom and trade are difficult to separate in modernity
    • Contraception reframes sex as private and 'consequence-free'
    • Porn industry expansion follows the new libertarian framing
    • OnlyFans as downstream of online market logic and parasociality
  10. 35:14 – 40:56

    Online dating as the real hinge: turning romance into an e-commerce funnel

    Mary suggests OnlyFans is not the main inflection point; online dating is. Dating profiles, she argues, train people to package themselves as products, making the shift to paid subscription intimacy a smaller conceptual leap.

    • Online dating normalizes self-packaging and market competition
    • Profile-building resembles digital marketing and conversion design
    • Parasocial dating and subscription models become adjacent behaviors
    • OnlyFans as 'difference of degree' after marketplace framing
  11. 40:56 – 43:46

    Cyborg theocracy: freedom-underwritten-by-technology as a new moral order

    Mary defines “cyborg theocracy” as a worldview where the good equals ever-more freedom enabled by technology. She claims modernity’s frontier has turned inward—toward colonizing the body (biomedicine) and the soul/sociality (digital systems).

    • Concept attributed to Ardian Tola; adopted by Mary
    • Moral order: more tech → more freedom → presumed better life
    • Industrial frontier exhausted; the new frontier is the human person
    • Biomedicine commodifies bodies; digital tech commodifies attention/sociality
  12. 43:46 – 1:11:18

    Three wars on human nature: courtship, motherhood, and the body (gender/transhumanism)

    Mary outlines three domains under pressure: the male-female courtship dance, the mother-baby bond, and the relationship to the body itself. She connects abortion politics, surrogacy/IVF markets, and gender medicine to a broader transhuman trajectory and class-based exploitation risks.

    • Courtship 'de-ordering': desire detached from fertility and commitment
    • Pregnancy framed as 'body horror' under atomized autonomy norms
    • Surrogacy/IVF as marketization that can sever mother-child bonds
    • Gender medicine as an on-ramp to wider freedom-of-form transhumanism
    • Risk: body-part markets exploit poorer populations (India example; prison organ-donation bill)
  13. 1:11:18 – 1:25:00

    Abolishing 'Big Romance': from companionate marriage to self-expressive consumer marriage

    Mary traces how marriage norms shifted from pragmatic interdependence to companionate romance (Austen as template) and then to today’s self-expressive model. She argues infinite optionality and economic independence turned relationships into consumer products, worsening the mating and birthrate crises.

    • Marriage meanings shift across eras; not a fixed institution
    • Industrial dependence increased the premium on being 'loved' by a husband
    • Modern 'self-expressive marriage' expects constant self-actualization
    • Swipe culture fuels 'Nexting,' anxiety around exclusivity, and fragility
    • Downstream: delayed commitment, unintended childlessness, grief over families not formed
  14. 1:25:00 – 1:44:12

    What to do: let men form men, reject unlimited optionality, push back on the pill, rebuild solidarity

    In the final stretch, Mary proposes practical and cultural pivots: more male single-sex sociality, a presumption toward stability over liquidity, and feminist resistance to commodifying fertility and bodies. She frames anti-pill arguments as pro-sex and sees her book aimed at young adults who still have time to choose different pathways.

    • Men need space to form men; single-sex institutions matter
    • Stability and 'radical loyalty' as antidotes to relationship liquidity
    • Feminist case against the pill: psychoactive side effects and cultural enablement of hookup norms
    • Raising the bar on sexual access changes incentives and reduces coercive/icky encounters
    • Goal: solidarity between sexes and resistance to marketization of the body
    • Intended readership: especially young women sensing a 'bait and switch' in liberation narratives

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