The End Of The World, CrossFit & Pirates Of The Caribbean | Catch Up 103

1. 0:00 – 2:10

   Catch Up chaos: streamer jokes, Americans vs Brits, and immediate derailments

   1. CWChris Williamson0:00

      Catch up 103. Come round so fast, don't they?

   2. JOJonny0:02

      You'd think we'd have caught up by now, wouldn't you?

   3. CWChris Williamson0:04

      I went to America.

   4. JOJonny0:05

      Twice.

   5. CWChris Williamson0:06

      As far as I'm concerned.

   6. JOJonny0:07

      You were, you were on a podcast with Elon Musk.

   7. CWChris Williamson0:08

      I shared some oxygen with Elon Musk, yeah.

   8. JOJonny0:10

      Right. (laughs) You're trying to tell a story. (laughs)

   9. YUYusef0:12

      We're trying to get through this podcast, wrecking it. Absolutely destroying it.

   10. JOJonny0:14

       The listeners who've tuned in not to hear you two-

   11. YUYusef0:16

       You did yoga.

   12. CWChris Williamson0:16

       Just say silly things.

   13. YUYusef0:17

       It's our, this is our only purpose on the podcast, to just derail your story.

   14. JOJonny0:20

       We've got nothing interesting to say.

   15. CWChris Williamson0:22

       Do you know what it is as well? Like, people can say that they think that Americans are too positive or like, over the top, which is probably, probably a little bit fair, but in my experience, Americans are so much more polite than the Brits.

   16. JOJonny0:33

       The whole Marvel shit, and this is going to offend a lot of people, but I really struggle with it.

   17. CWChris Williamson0:37

       Careful, careful. BMB's gonna-

   18. JOJonny0:38

       Yeah.

   19. YUYusef0:38

       Have you seen any of them?

   20. JOJonny0:39

       Yeah.

   21. YUYusef0:39

       Which ones?

   22. JOJonny0:40

       There's a guy with a big glove. Big bloke, big glove.

   23. YUYusef0:43

       Is it called Big Fist?

   24. JOJonny0:43

       And like little midget gems that he has to put in the glove. And when he puts the midget gems in the glove-

   25. YUYusef0:47

       (laughs)

   26. JOJonny0:48

       ... (laughs) he, uh, he kills those people.

   27. CWChris Williamson0:50

       Hang on.

   28. JOJonny0:51

       Are you serious?

   29. YUYusef0:51

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson0:51

       Sorry.
2. 2:10 – 3:16

   Life updates: injuries, CrossFit identity crisis, and med-school endgame stress

   1. CWChris Williamson2:10

      Have you got a, a synopsis of what's happened over the last sort of two months for you?

   2. JOJonny2:13

      No.

   3. YUYusef2:14

      Johnny doesn't drink eggs anymore.

   4. JOJonny2:16

      (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson2:17

      Doesn't drink eggs anymore. Got injured.

   6. YUYusef2:19

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CWChris Williamson2:19

      Johnny got injured. You've been a hermit.

   8. JOJonny2:21

      I did. I did get injured.

   9. CWChris Williamson2:23

      Yeah. You're doing CrossFit.

   10. JOJonny2:25

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson2:25

       You're now CrossFit.

   12. JOJonny2:26

       As of... Well-

   13. CWChris Williamson2:27

       As of tomorrow.

   14. JOJonny2:27

       I mean, when this goes live, anything might have happened.

   15. CWChris Williamson2:29

       Yeah.

   16. JOJonny2:30

       So many things in life.

   17. CWChris Williamson2:30

       What I love is the fact that you're...

   18. YUYusef2:32

       What, what constitutes you are doing CrossFit like you, you did a CrossFit? Does that mean you're now doing CrossFit?

   19. CWChris Williamson2:38

       What's your current training methodology, Johnny?

   20. JOJonny2:40

       (laughs) Great question. As of right now?

   21. CWChris Williamson2:43

       CrossFit.

   22. JOJonny2:46

       (sighs)

   23. CWChris Williamson2:46

       Say it.

   24. JOJonny2:47

       Well, no, because I haven't done a CrossFit yet.

   25. CWChris Williamson2:49

       Done a CrossFit. (laughs) Right, anyway.

   26. JOJonny2:50

       Like I have to do the CrossFit like three hour, this is how to CrossFit.

   27. CWChris Williamson2:53

       Yep, you do. Anyway, moving on.

   28. JOJonny2:56

       (laughs)

   29. YUYusef2:56

       (laughs) I feel like we were just pawning Johnny with questions there.

   30. JOJonny2:58

       That's okay.
3. 3:16 – 5:06

   The economics of failure: resitting med school, opportunity cost, and time-as-money

   1. CWChris Williamson3:16

      What are the final few weeks of doing a medical degree like, for anyone who's considering doing it?

   2. YUYusef3:20

      So your, your, your anal tone is non-existent.

   3. JOJonny3:23

      When you say anal tone-

   4. YUYusef3:24

      Yeah.

   5. JOJonny3:25

      ... can you describe what you mean?

   6. YUYusef3:26

      (clears throat) You, that you can't maintain the integrity of your fecal continence.

   7. CWChris Williamson3:32

      So your bum, bum is normally, but instead...

   8. YUYusef3:35

      It's just (whooshes) .

   9. CWChris Williamson3:36

      Yeah.

   10. YUYusef3:36

       Honestly.

   11. JOJonny3:37

       Farts don't make a sound.

   12. CWChris Williamson3:38

       Like a windsock.

   13. JOJonny3:38

       Yeah.

   14. YUYusef3:39

       Yeah. And I- I'm, I'm saying that as an analogy for the intense fear that I experience day-to-day at the moment. So, this time last year, I had a heart rate monitor and my resting heart rate was between 80 and 100-

   15. JOJonny3:53

       Was that the Withings watch?

   16. CWChris Williamson3:55

       Withings.

   17. YUYusef3:55

       Yeah.

   18. JOJonny3:57

       Nokia watch.

   19. CWChris Williamson3:57

       Definitely didn't give that away from an influencer program for free. Sorry, Withings.

   20. YUYusef4:02

       (laughs)

   21. CWChris Williamson4:03

       Um, so what's the fear? The fear is comprised of having to re-sit the year.

   22. YUYusef4:07

       Yeah.

   23. JOJonny4:08

       It's, it's the nine grand, isn't it?

   24. YUYusef4:09

       It's the nine grand.

   25. CWChris Williamson4:10

       Is that it?

   26. JOJonny4:10

       (laughs)

   27. YUYusef4:10

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson4:11

       So what if someone gave you nine grand now and said, "If you have to re-sit the year, we'll pay it."

   29. JOJonny4:15

       You'd wanna use the nine grand for something else.

   30. CWChris Williamson4:17

       But you can't do that.
4. 5:06 – 10:50

   America Trip #1: ROMWOD filming, intense yoga, and the 'silicon' studio clientele

   1. CWChris Williamson5:06

      I went to America.

   2. JOJonny5:07

      Twice.

   3. CWChris Williamson5:09

      Twice. Twice.

   4. JOJonny5:09

      You went to America-

   5. YUYusef5:10

      Two times.

   6. CWChris Williamson5:10

      ... back.

   7. JOJonny5:11

      And then you'd gone, done gone back to it again.

   8. CWChris Williamson5:13

      And came, came back again, yeah. Like a boom run.

   9. YUYusef5:15

      It was such a short gap between the two trips.

   10. JOJonny5:18

       Two weeks. It was like a shuttle run.

   11. CWChris Williamson5:19

       Two weeks.

   12. YUYusef5:19

       What stopped you just staying there? Did you have things you had to take care of?

   13. CWChris Williamson5:22

       I'd, I'd have, I'd have been... Well, yeah. I have a life.

   14. YUYusef5:24

       Dogs to feed.

   15. JOJonny5:24

       CrossFit.

   16. CWChris Williamson5:25

       I have CrossFit to do.

   17. YUYusef5:27

       CrossFit to fist. Fist to cross.

   18. CWChris Williamson5:28

       Um, so yeah, no, first trip was really cool. Um, flew out to Redlands to go and film with Romwood again. Um, got to see Daniel and Shauna, the two, uh, people that own that. And Daniel showed me his fancy new 911 Turbo, um, which was a terrifying vehicle.

   19. JOJonny5:45

       Is it supple?

   20. CWChris Williamson5:46

       Is it supple? Yeah, it's very, uh-

   21. YUYusef5:47

       911, it's the best.

   22. CWChris Williamson5:48

       It's, it's lost its, uh... What?

   23. JOJonny5:52

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson5:52

       I don't get it.

   25. JOJonny5:53

       I don't know what you mean.

   26. YUYusef5:54

       It, that's it, it was a terrible reference to... If anyone knows in the comments.

   27. JOJonny5:58

       (laughs)

   28. CWChris Williamson5:58

       What, 911, it's the best?

   29. YUYusef5:59

       Yeah.

   30. JOJonny5:59

       This isn't a joke based on...
5. 10:50 – 14:42

   American enthusiasm in workouts: the 'whoo' culture and DJ-driven yoga

   1. CWChris Williamson10:50

      One thing, one thing that, um, Daniel Sloss said when I was speaking to him was he said that Americans tend to make, like, a "whoo" noise from the back of the room. And I was like-

   2. JOJonny11:01

      In yoga?

   3. CWChris Williamson11:01

      No.

   4. JOJonny11:02

      Oh, sorry.

   5. CWChris Williamson11:02

      Just generally when he's doing his sets, and he's, like, very-

   6. YUYusef11:05

      Generally enthusiasm. Like-

   7. CWChris Williamson11:06

      So i- i- yeah, it's enthusiasm, but it's just fucking-

   8. YUYusef11:08

      Like peeling a peanut. "Whoo."

   9. CWChris Williamson11:10

      It's just off-putting, right?

   10. YUYusef11:11

       Yeah.

   11. CWChris Williamson11:12

       Like, he doesn't like the fact that they do it, and he complains at them, and he tells them off. And he's like, "Look, every time that you do that, I'm gonna stop."

   12. YUYusef11:19

       Oh, really? It's very at odds with the Scottish mindset.

   13. CWChris Williamson11:22

       Yeah, a bit more kind of, yeah, London.

   14. YUYusef11:24

       Mm-hmm.

   15. CWChris Williamson11:24

       Um, so he says that he's gonna stop, and I wa- I was laughing about the fact that they do this, 'cause it's like Ric Flair. Right? Remember Ric Flair, the wrestler? Anyway, the ... that was a perfect opportunity to derail the podcast, and you've just-

   16. JOJonny11:37

       (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson11:37

       ... totally missed it. Um, so I'm in this yoga class, and he's already warned me about this "whooing" thing that Americans do. And as it's starting to build up and the intensity of this yoga workout's getting more and more, people start "whooing" from the back of the class. And they're like, "Come on, you've got this. You can, you can stay like ..." If you're doing, like, a hollow hold or, like, a, like, a ab crunch or whatever, and you're holding it for a little while.

   18. JOJonny11:58

       Mm-hmm.

   19. CWChris Williamson11:59

       And there's people from the back of the class that are "whooing". What I noticed was it was a lot of the people who had dropped the hold ...And it's like, look, if you've said hold the bottom of an air squat, and everyone's in the bottom of an air squat, and you're stood up and you're going "woo"-

   20. JOJonny12:12

       Mm-hmm.

   21. CWChris Williamson12:13

       ... that seems unfair.

   22. JOJonny12:14

       Just taking the piss, aren't you?

   23. CWChris Williamson12:15

       Don't pretend to be a part of the people that are grinding it out.

   24. JOJonny12:18

       It's not very, like, deep Ujjayi breaths, is it? It's not-

   25. CWChris Williamson12:21

       Mm-mm. No.

   26. JOJonny12:21

       Like, the yoga that I used to do-

   27. YUYusef12:22

       We never do that in our yoga.

   28. CWChris Williamson12:24

       (laughs) So it's very, very untraditional. They mix music live. Like, they've got DJ decks that they mix music live, and loop the music as they build up the-

   29. JOJonny12:33

       Oh, right.

   30. CWChris Williamson12:33

       ... intensity. Unc- incr- incredibly well done.
6. 14:42 – 17:07

   LA culture tour: Venice-to–Santa Monica scooter ecosystem and micro-mobility economics

   1. CWChris Williamson14:42

      So you can fall, your head through. So that was fun. Um, and then, yeah, went to, went to LA and spent a fair bit of time on Venice Beach and Santa Monica. Um, and was just reintroduced to this electric scooter phenomenon which is completely destroying LA. In a cool way, but it's just the maddest thing to see now. There's, for people who don't know, Bird, Lime, uh, I think it's like Up and something else are brands of scooter companies-

   2. JOJonny15:11

      Oh, okay.

   3. CWChris Williamson15:11

      ... who have just dropped these 24 kilometer range electric mini scooters, like what you'd see kids riding around on, um, schoolchildren. But they've got a little trigger on them which, when you push it, accelerates up to about 16 miles an hour and a little brake, and everyone is just whizzing around on these scooters. And you open it like a, um, one of those ride-on, uh, bikes that you can get in the UK at the moment.

   4. YUYusef15:40

      It's like a micro scooter.

   5. CWChris Williamson15:41

      With an electric motor.

   6. YUYusef15:42

      Is it 'cause the town is so fast that you need something to get you around?

   7. CWChris Williamson15:46

      It's because a lot of people already skate and bike, and there's heavily pedestrianized areas that are built for, or um, I guess, riding areas that are built for exactly that.

   8. YUYusef15:57

      What's the problem with normal bicycles?

   9. CWChris Williamson16:00

      That they're not as cool.

   10. YUYusef16:02

       Okay.

   11. CWChris Williamson16:03

       And they don't go as fast. Like, unless you're really gunning it-

   12. YUYusef16:07

       And you have to, you have to be absolutely everywhere.

   13. CWChris Williamson16:07

       ... you have to use it. So every different iteration of scooter and electric vehicle is now being used by these people. So you've got, like, an electric scooter one, then you've got a bike one where you can both pedal and, uh, use the electric motor to go even faster, and they're fucking rapid. Um, and there's a skateboard one now where you're just a skateboard with a remote control, and you scan it, and you can just deposit them wherever you stop and-

   14. JOJonny16:33

       So it's, it's exactly like the bikes in the UK.

   15. CWChris Williamson16:36

       Yes, yeah.

   16. JOJonny16:36

       But much better.

   17. CWChris Williamson16:37

       Much better, faster, more, um, like cheaper as well. It's a dollar to start and like, I think it's like 15 cent a minute. It's like 10p a minute to ride however far you want.

   18. JOJonny16:50

       I suppose you're using power, aren't you?

   19. CWChris Williamson16:51

       Yeah. And then there's a-

   20. YUYusef16:52

       Do you have to dock it in certain stations?

   21. CWChris Williamson16:54

       No, so there's the, an entire sub-, uh, market of chargers so people get paid to charge these things. You sign up as a charger, take the things home with you, plug them into your wall, and then you get money based on how many you charge.

7. 17:07 – 18:53

   Self-driving futures: renting out Teslas, automation risk psychology, and robot surgery hypotheticals

   1. YUYusef17:07

      Oh. I'm so looking forward to this, like, decentralization of ............................ So with the Tesla thing as well, you know, they're saying you can, if you get a Tesla that has the, the full self-driving unit, you can then Uber it out to people when you're not using it. So it can take you to work, and then you just leave it to just taxi people around.

   2. CWChris Williamson17:24

      Is that really what they've said?

   3. JOJonny17:25

      Apparently, yeah.

   4. YUYusef17:26

      There's an internal, internal facing camera if someone, like, spunks or vomits in your car, and then you can always clean that up. (laughs)

   5. JOJonny17:31

      Or both, at once.

   6. YUYusef17:33

      VMD was just like trying to...

   7. JOJonny17:35

      (laughs)

   8. YUYusef17:35

      Um, yeah, or both, and then you can just charge them for it. So um-

   9. JOJonny17:39

      Just automatically as well.

   10. YUYusef17:40

       So it could just make you money while you-

   11. CWChris Williamson17:42

       That is-

   12. JOJonny17:42

       I feel like there's a-

   13. YUYusef17:42

       I cannot wait for those cars.

   14. JOJonny17:43

       ... there's a gap for... 'Cause th- I mean, they already exist, don't they? Teslas can already drive themselves, but it's-

   15. YUYusef17:49

       I think they will.

   16. JOJonny17:49

       They have to be safe enough that you can just...

   17. YUYusef17:52

       Yeah. Did, did we talk about this last time, where we were saying how people would rather die of their own-

   18. JOJonny17:56

       Mm-hmm. Volition.

   19. YUYusef17:57

       Voli- Yeah, their, their own folly than die from an automated car.

   20. JOJonny18:02

       Yeah.

   21. YUYusef18:02

       Even though the, the chance of dying is like 1,000 times less.

   22. CWChris Williamson18:05

       Yeah.

   23. YUYusef18:05

       It's like...

   24. CWChris Williamson18:06

       It's just people don't like putting their, uh, life in the hands of something ... Th- they would much, much sooner make their own, make their own error, wouldn't they?

   25. YUYusef18:14

       Would you, if you were offered to have, if you had to have surgery for something, and you were offered to have it done by a robotic algorithm that's got the, like micro-

   26. CWChris Williamson18:22

       Mm-hmm.

   27. YUYusef18:22

       ... things, would you do it?

   28. CWChris Williamson18:24

       Uh, I'd want to see what the success rate.

   29. YUYusef18:26

       Okay. Like assuming it had a much higher success rate-

   30. CWChris Williamson18:29

       Yeah, fine.
8. 18:53 – 24:21

   Movie & pop-culture tangent: Pirates of the Caribbean rant and Marvel fatigue

   1. CWChris Williamson18:53

      I'm going to interject here, 'cause I can't get out of my mind.

   2. JOJonny18:55

      (laughs)

   3. CWChris Williamson18:55

      This new Pirates of the Caribbean movie-

   4. JOJonny18:57

      (laughs)

   5. CWChris Williamson18:58

      ... which has just come on Netflix is fucking shit.

   6. JOJonny19:01

      Not seen it.

   7. CWChris Williamson19:02

      Captain Jack Sparrow steals a safe which attaches itself to an entire house or bank, and then they have like four horses that have a ... You can imagine all these horses have got ropes behind them, they've attached it into this safe. They pull the safe and it's this comedy thing where they've hooked it through the back of the building, and the safe's gonna pop through the back of the building, but they don't. They just drag the whole building for like two towns. And the entire building's being pulled behind all of these horses. Can you understand what I mean?

   8. JOJonny19:30

      Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson19:30

      And it's just, that's ridiculous. And Johnny Depp has completely lost his mind. Just running around like ... Well, it's ju- yeah. I mean-

   10. JOJonny19:38

       I'm Captain Jack Sparrow.

   11. CWChris Williamson19:39

       The, the worst thing is that I don't think that he even knows who he is when he takes off the Captain Jack Sparrow thing now.

   12. JOJonny19:44

       Mm-hmm.

   13. CWChris Williamson19:44

       Like, he's been shaving his head and wearing like T-shirts with slogans on.

   14. JOJonny19:48

       He did, did something a while ago where he like smuggled a dog into Australia or something.

   15. CWChris Williamson19:51

       Did he?

   16. JOJonny19:52

       Yeah, did you see that-

   17. CWChris Williamson19:53

       No.

   18. JOJonny19:53

       ... on the news? It was a w- it was a while ago. Like, I'm sure him and his wife, if he has a wife, this is how out of touch I am with this.

   19. CWChris Williamson20:00

       Yeah.

   20. JOJonny20:00

       He was on the news. Do you know what it is, Dean?

   21. YUYusef20:04

       (laughs)

   22. CWChris Williamson20:04

       Dean can't, Dean can't speak.

   23. JOJonny20:06

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson20:06

       Dean doesn't speak. Dean doesn't know what it is. (laughs) He's shaking his head at me.

   25. YUYusef20:08

       Dean doesn't speak.

   26. JOJonny20:10

       He did something where he was having to publicly apologize for smuggling a dog-

   27. CWChris Williamson20:15

       For smuggling a dog.

   28. JOJonny20:15

       ... (laughs) into the country.

   29. CWChris Williamson20:16

       Jesus Christ.

   30. JOJonny20:17

       That's right.
9. 24:21 – 36:22

   Physio fads, TMJ myths, and why every rehab plan becomes clamshells

   1. YUYusef24:21

      Someone I met, um, said that she had a tight jaw, TMJ, and she met someone who was-

   2. CWChris Williamson24:28

      TMJ?

   3. YUYusef24:28

      Teeth, temporomandibular dysfunction. Uh-

   4. CWChris Williamson24:32

      TMD? VMD?

   5. YUYusef24:34

      J, jaw. Jump, I don't know. Um, and massage therapist told her it was because her pelvic floor was tight-

   6. CWChris Williamson24:41

      Oh my God.

   7. YUYusef24:41

      ... and needed to, like-

   8. CWChris Williamson24:42

      Here we go.

   9. YUYusef24:42

      ... release the pelvic floor. (laughs)

   10. CWChris Williamson24:43

       This is, this is just, we're venturing into the worlds of chiropractors now.

   11. YUYusef24:48

       (laughs)

   12. (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson24:49

       What do you ... Like, everyone's been to a physio, you know, where-

   14. YUYusef24:51

       I'm gonna trigger some chiropractors here.

   15. CWChris Williamson24:52

       ... no matter what, no matter what the problem is-

   16. YUYusef24:54

       Clamshells.

   17. (laughs)

   18. CWChris Williamson24:56

       Like all, always the clamshells.

   19. YUYusef24:57

       (laughs)

   20. CWChris Williamson24:57

       It's your glute function.

   21. YUYusef24:58

       Side-lying clams.

   22. CWChris Williamson25:00

       Like, my, my, mate at my shoulder hits, "Well, I think it could be to do with your glute activation." I'm like, "I'm sure it isn't, mate."

   23. YUYusef25:05

       So I would love if anyone could let us know in the comments, if you're a physio or if you know physios, why are some physios so faddy? 'Cause you, you know, you get the physio that just loves, um, kinesio tape and just puts it on-

   24. CWChris Williamson25:17

       Everything.

   25. YUYusef25:17

       ... everywhere, regardless of what the problem is.

   26. CWChris Williamson25:18

       Placebo tapes have been a common one.

   27. YUYusef25:19

       Placebo ... Oh, God. And then, like-

   28. CWChris Williamson25:21

       X-band walks or-

   29. YUYusef25:23

       (laughs)

   30. CWChris Williamson25:24

       ... single-leg glute bridge.
10. 36:22 – 45:19

    Boston trip: bloodwork results, InsideTracker, and meeting longevity scientist David Sinclair (and maybe Elon)

    1. CWChris Williamson36:22

       It's a weird one. So, yeah, did that, then went to Boston. Um-

    2. JOJonny36:25

       Boston.

    3. CWChris Williamson36:26

       Boston. Uh-

    4. JOJonny36:27

       Great, uh, it's gr- it's the best American accent ............................

    5. CWChris Williamson36:30

       Yeah, it's sick.

    6. JOJonny36:30

       Yeah.

    7. CWChris Williamson36:30

       So I spent a bit of time with Carrie from Inside Tracker. She was the, the lady who I was dealing with from them lovely people that flew me out there. And, um-

    8. JOJonny36:38

       Did you have your bloods done?

    9. CWChris Williamson36:39

       (clears throat) Did I have-

    10. JOJonny36:40

        Bloods.

    11. CWChris Williamson36:40

        I had my bloods done, um, which will be on an episode which everyone's already heard. Um-

    12. JOJonny36:45

        Yeah, every bit.

    13. CWChris Williamson36:46

        Every bit of it.

    14. JOJonny36:47

        What did they measure and what were the results?

    15. CWChris Williamson36:49

        Um-

    16. JOJonny36:49

        'Cause I haven't listened to the episode.

    17. CWChris Williamson36:51

        Well, it doesn't exist yet. So, it's out, it's out next week. But the last, like, two weeks ago in podcast land.

    18. JOJonny36:57

        Right.

    19. CWChris Williamson36:57

        Uh-

    20. JOJonny36:58

        Love the place podcast land is.

    21. CWChris Williamson36:59

        It's crazy.

    22. JOJonny36:59

        I love being here.

    23. YUYusef37:00

        It's great.

    24. CWChris Williamson37:01

        I know. There's a time-

    25. JOJonny37:02

        'Cause nothing's happened yet.

    26. CWChris Williamson37:03

        Where time and space don't exist.

    27. JOJonny37:05

        (laughs)

    28. CWChris Williamson37:05

        Um, but it was fun, and Carrie's the first person who's got, like, born and bred near Boston, um, and just has the accent.

    29. JOJonny37:13

        Right.

    30. CWChris Williamson37:13

        Such, such a fantastic accent.
11. 45:19 – 49:00

    Privacy, surveillance, and screens: DNA inference, taped webcams, and addictive tech

    1. YUYusef45:19

       The, I think the, I hear constantly that like the, the self-tracking wearables world-

    2. CWChris Williamson45:25

       Mm-hmm.

    3. YUYusef45:25

       ... like, that's where there's gonna be the most, um-

    4. CWChris Williamson45:28

       Mm-hmm.

    5. YUYusef45:29

       ... jump in and advancement. You know, like d- I, uh, before, it won't be long before there's an implant that you wear that me- that monitors your markers.

    6. CWChris Williamson45:37

       I think-

    7. YUYusef45:38

       It creeps me out, that whole prospect.

    8. CWChris Williamson45:39

       I think that would be fantastic. Like, waking up and there's an app just giving you your life. You're a chartered accountant.

    9. YUYusef45:44

       Yeah, I just want ... Just give me graphs and data.

    10. CWChris Williamson45:45

        Just give me-

    11. YUYusef45:46

        Charts and trends.

    12. CWChris Williamson45:47

        But the price you pay for that, there's a guy who does a really haunting video about the, what's it called, 23andMe? And they're like doing DNA analysis stuff. Oh, yeah, the DNA stuff.

    13. YUYusef45:55

        Saying that you only need a certain critical mass of people to, to do it and then you can draw these inferences and you can use it for forensic things. So if someone's committed, someone's committed a crime, you can then find who it is through like three levels of facts, of relationship. And so, like they, he was saying how they, basically the, some intelligence agency found who committed this crime just from Googling DNA data.

    14. CWChris Williamson46:23

        Jesus.

    15. YUYusef46:24

        And finding like three people who it could be and then speaking to their family and-

    16. CWChris Williamson46:27

        This is one of the problems I suppose that everyone has with this constant surveillance thing. It's that the price that you pay for more data that you can use is more data that can be used against you. "I've got nothing to hide" is a fantastic, um, way to feel about your data being collected until you have something to hide.

    17. YUYusef46:47

        I think it's just the, it's looking at the motive. So it's, it's the, the means and the motive, isn't it? So like someone has ... Facebook have your data. Like yeah, they can use it against you, but like why would they want to? Well, it's not that they wouldn't, but it's more like, what do they stand to get out of it? Yeah. And yeah, you might, you might become a person of great political influence or whatever, but I- I just think on balance, it's unlikely and then- So why, why do you think Zuckerberg has tape over his camera? I didn't know he did. So, you know, when he was in the court case, like there was a, a shot of him on his MacBook.

    18. CWChris Williamson47:19

        He has tape over his camera?

    19. YUYusef47:20

        And someone was going, yeah, and they were like, "Zuckerberg's taped over his mic and his camera." You see, when you see something like that... (clicks tongue) I found that quite worrying. You should put tape over your camera.

    20. CWChris Williamson47:27

        I mean, the- the main thing-

    21. YUYusef47:28

        (laughs)

    22. CWChris Williamson47:28

        The main thing for me is that Steve Jobs, inventor of the iPad, didn't let his kids play with iPads.

    23. YUYusef47:34

        Yeah, that's another-

    24. CWChris Williamson47:35

        He does not-

    25. YUYusef47:35

        Is that, is that for data reasons or is that because he doesn't like the idea of the-

    26. CWChris Williamson47:39

        It's because they're addictive.

    27. YUYusef47:40

        Yeah.

    28. CWChris Williamson47:40

        And they're horrible pieces of technology that-

    29. YUYusef47:42

        Yeah.

    30. CWChris Williamson47:43

        ... destroy people's ability to focus.
12. 49:00 – 1:02:04

    End-of-the-world rabbit hole: Amazon drones, slaughterbots, CRISPR plagues, and Black Mirror-style extortion

    1. CWChris Williamson49:00

       I was reading about Amazon's future logistics plans. Have you read this?

    2. JOJonny49:05

       With the drone stuff?

    3. YUYusef49:06

       Oh.

    4. CWChris Williamson49:06

       Yeah. So with drones and, but more so with just traditional, um, postal service at the moment.

    5. JOJonny49:12

       Right.

    6. CWChris Williamson49:12

       So just buying up fleets of plane, like Jeff Bezos is buying up fleets of planes.

    7. YUYusef49:16

       (laughs)

    8. CWChris Williamson49:16

       And it, they were comparing them, and is it the American Postal Service? Are they the big ones?

    9. JOJonny49:20

       Mm-hmm.

    10. CWChris Williamson49:20

        Um, I think the American Postal Service have got nearly 1,000 planes and Amazon have 63, but they're just-

    11. YUYusef49:28

        Just growing them.

    12. CWChris Williamson49:28

        ... yeah, just consuming.

    13. JOJonny49:30

        You've seen the clip of the drones being dropped out the back of an Amazon plane?

    14. CWChris Williamson49:33

        And then going to go and-

    15. JOJonny49:34

        Mm-hmm.

    16. CWChris Williamson49:34

        ... deliver parcels.

    17. JOJonny49:36

        Yeah.

    18. CWChris Williamson49:36

        Yeah.

    19. YUYusef49:37

        So that's another thing. You, you, have you seen, you, you, we've all seen the video of like the mock, um-

    20. JOJonny49:42

        Slaughterbots?

    21. CWChris Williamson49:43

        Yeah.

    22. YUYusef49:43

        Yeah.

    23. CWChris Williamson49:43

        Yeah, we've talked about that a few times.

    24. YUYusef49:45

        Oh.

    25. CWChris Williamson49:45

        They're pretty, they're pretty scary.

    26. JOJonny49:46

        The, there's a really interesting podcast.

    27. CWChris Williamson49:49

        Naval?

    28. JOJonny49:50

        No.

    29. CWChris Williamson49:50

        Oh.

    30. JOJonny49:51

        It's called Masters of Scale. Have you heard of it?
13. 1:02:04 – 1:06:09

    Training pivot: Jonny quits powerlifting (for now), CrossFit on-ramp anxiety, and why enjoyment matters

    1. CWChris Williamson1:02:04

       I wrote some things down on my phone.

    2. YUYusef1:02:06

       For catch up?

    3. JOJonny1:02:07

       Oh, it was this morning before I did my go WOD.

    4. CWChris Williamson1:02:10

       Nice.

    5. YUYusef1:02:11

       Ah.

    6. JOJonny1:02:13

       Nope.

    7. YUYusef1:02:14

       We've got life hacks next.

    8. CWChris Williamson1:02:15

       We have got life hacks, although life hacks will probably be-

    9. JOJonny1:02:17

       Did my first five kilometer run.

    10. YUYusef1:02:20

        Oh, yeah.

    11. CWChris Williamson1:02:20

        How was your first five kilometer run?

    12. JOJonny1:02:22

        Really, really fucking difficult.

    13. CWChris Williamson1:02:25

        Okay. You did Fran?

    14. JOJonny1:02:27

        I did do Fran, but I can't do a thruster. I've not got the shoulder mobility to get into a front rack position at the bottom of a front squat.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:02:35

        That's years of bench for you there.

    16. JOJonny1:02:37

        So I had to do a be- a behind the neck thruster.

    17. CWChris Williamson1:02:39

        I can't wait. So we're doing ... For the people that are listening, this will be in the past now, but me and Johnny are doing his crossfit on ramp tomorrow. Um, Johnny thought that it was going to be someone putting him in a pair of water wings and a special helmet-

    18. JOJonny1:02:53

        (laughs)

    19. CWChris Williamson1:02:53

        ... and saying, "So this is how you do a squat."

    20. JOJonny1:02:56

        That's honestly what I thought. (laughs) And it's, it's not that.

    21. CWChris Williamson1:02:59

        Um, what it ra- what it actually is, is a two and a half hour training session where there's-

    22. JOJonny1:03:03

        Yeah.

    23. CWChris Williamson1:03:03

        ... some movements demoed and then metcons that use those movements interlaced in the workout, uh, like the overall workout.

    24. JOJonny1:03:08

        Metabolic conditioning.

    25. YUYusef1:03:09

        Is it a standardized thing?

    26. CWChris Williamson1:03:10

        No.

    27. JOJonny1:03:11

        Okay.

    28. CWChris Williamson1:03:11

        So just whatever this bloke fancies. Yeah.

    29. JOJonny1:03:13

        Oh, no.

    30. CWChris Williamson1:03:14

        And the guy that's taking it won't be tremendously gentle either, I'm afraid.
14. 1:06:09 – 1:11:59

    Extreme mindset stories: Ant Middleton’s Everest decisions and ultra-endurance insanity

    1. JOJonny1:06:09

       Uh, I went to see Ant Middleton.

    2. CWChris Williamson1:06:12

       Is that the guy that does it with Dec?

    3. JOJonny1:06:14

       (laughs) No. Have you seen-

    4. CWChris Williamson1:06:17

       Is he the one in rehab?

    5. JOJonny1:06:18

       No. That's Ant.

    6. CWChris Williamson1:06:20

       Is Dec the one in rehab?

    7. JOJonny1:06:21

       No. So it's not Ant and Dec.

    8. CWChris Williamson1:06:22

       Okay.

    9. JOJonny1:06:23

       Right? Ant Middleton is the presenter, one of the presenters on-

    10. CWChris Williamson1:06:27

        I'm a Celebrity.

    11. JOJonny1:06:28

        No.

    12. CWChris Williamson1:06:30

        (laughs)

    13. JOJonny1:06:31

        SAS. This is like the David Goggins.

    14. CWChris Williamson1:06:32

        Who even the fuck is David Goggins?

    15. JOJonny1:06:33

        It's the same as Gog- Chris, shut the fuck up. No, it's, um, he's, he presents the SAS: Are You Tough Enough?

    16. CWChris Williamson1:06:40

        Right.

    17. JOJonny1:06:40

        Thing. Former special forces guy. So Be-

    18. CWChris Williamson1:06:43

        Is it a one to one?

    19. JOJonny1:06:44

        No. He's, he's quite famous now.

    20. CWChris Williamson1:06:47

        Right.

    21. JOJonny1:06:47

        He did a talk at the city hall, Becka got me tickets for Christmas-

    22. CWChris Williamson1:06:51

        Yep.

    23. JOJonny1:06:51

        ... um, called Mind Over Muscle.Now, both of you would have found it intensely difficult to sit through because it was very ... It was like, "I've got a positive, I have a positive mindset, right?"

    24. YUYusef1:07:03

        Oh, okay.

    25. JOJonny1:07:03

        "Got to look at the situation and just think, how can I think positively about it," and you're sort of like, "Fuck's sake." But there are a few things he said that were really interesting. Principally, it, there's clips where he climbs Everest and you can just see glimpses of, like, what it takes to be in the SAS. So like, there are people coming down Everest. So he's, you're meant to go like, base camp, camp one, back down again. Base camp, camp one, camp two, camp one, down again, and do it that way.

    26. YUYusef1:07:32

        Why?

    27. JOJonny1:07:32

        To gl- gradually acclimatize to the altitude. He was like, did base camp, camp one, saw that there was a dangerous bit, risky bit, where there'd been a avalanche, so he's like, "Oh, fuck that. I'm not, I don't want to do that multiple times. I'll just go base camp, camp one, back down again, and I'll just go to the summit." And everyone's like, "Uh, mate, don't fucking," like the Sherpas are going like, "Don't want to do that, mate." He's like, "Yeah, it's all right." And he's going up and there's a storm, storm warning. Everyone's like, "We need to turn back." He's like, "No, it's okay."

Episode duration: 1:15:52