The Female Orgasm, CrossFit & Vasectomies - Zack Telander | Modern Wisdom Podcast 384

1. 0:00 – 0:41

   Intro

   1. ZTZack Telander0:00

      ... what's the one thing that men face, is ability to get it up, and then the thought process of trying to get it up makes it worse. "Don't think about it. Babe, don't think about it, it'll just happen. Okay, you don't want me to think about it? Now, now I'm going to start getting it up."

   2. CWChris Williamson0:12

      Now all I can do is think about it.

   3. ZTZack Telander0:14

      Right? So it's kind of the same thing. If a woman wants to have an orgasm, and you, and like, that's all they're thinking about, and then they think, "Oh, crap, well, I'm not, it's not happening."

   4. CWChris Williamson0:21

      "Am I doing it right? Is it happening right?"

   5. ZTZack Telander0:22

      Yeah.

   6. CWChris Williamson0:22

      "Is he enjoying it? Am I enjoying it? Should I be doing this?"

   7. ZTZack Telander0:25

      Yes, yes. And so-

   8. CWChris Williamson0:26

      That's such a good analogy. (whooshing sound) Zachy boy, welcome back.

   9. ZTZack Telander0:32

      Thanks for having me back. I'm excited.

   10. CWChris Williamson0:34

       Sooner than we planned, man.

   11. ZTZack Telander0:37

       Yeah, but it's, it feels right.

   12. CWChris Williamson0:39

       Too much to talk about. Right,

2. 0:41 – 6:00

   Chris Rabb’s Vasectomy Bill

   1. CWChris Williamson0:41

      so here's the first thing I want to talk about. Chris Rabb from Philadelphia, he has created a bill requiring men to get vasectomies by age 40. State Representative Chris Rabb, a Philadelphia Democrat, supports a solution to lawmaking men who want to control policy on women's and girls' bodies require, requiring men by six weeks into age 40, or after child three, to get vasectomies. And it's all in the name of reproductive rights for women and girls. Rabb also wrote the legislation which was in a response to restrictive abortion bills around the US. "I thought it was as important as a man to speak up about reproductive rights," Rabb said, according to WHPTV. There are bills and laws that regulate and restrict bodily autonomy for women and girls, but not so much for men. While the legislation is satirical, it's supposed to add conversation on reproductive rights. In the statement, Rabb said, "As long as the state legislature continues to restrict the reproductive rights of cis men, uh, cis women, trans men, and non-binary people, there should be laws to address the responsibility of men who impregnate them." That's obviously beside the law of having to look after the child and pay child support for the first 18 years of its life. "My sincere hope in introducing this legislation is that my colleagues in the General Assembly consider the egregiously gendered double standard when it comes to curtailing reproductive healthcare as it applies to women." Reproduc-, uh, Republicans reportedly responded with abortion and vasectomies not being equal issues, and argued the bill conversation won't get very far. What do you think about that?

   2. ZTZack Telander2:12

      So the, the main thing that I heard from, and, and what I want to talk about is the satirical aspect of it. So like, it was knowingly satirical, right, when he did it. He, so he himself knows that it's not ever going to get passed and it's not real. So what I'm wondering is, what is the efficacy of like an extreme satirical play like that to get conversation started? Well ultimately, right, like to, to get people thinking about, you know, the other side of it, which is the, um, abortion laws that are being passed. It's, it's very interesting. Obviously it's ridiculous, right? He even knows it's ridiculous, um, but I, that's what I'm, I'm wondering is like, how, how effective is satire in bringing about conversation? And I would say it's decently effective, right? You have, um...

   3. CWChris Williamson2:59

      Well, we're talking about it.

   4. ZTZack Telander3:01

      Yeah, exactly. And, and what sort of effect will it have on the actual lawmakers and the, uh, you know, the peop- the people in power who can, you know, make a difference and, and make changes?

   5. CWChris Williamson3:13

      I don't know if I want the people that represent me in government to be wasting time and money doing shit like this, though. Like just to say like-

   6. ZTZack Telander3:22

      Yeah, no, I-

   7. CWChris Williamson3:23

      ... is that, the satire... No matter how fucking effective it is, it needs to be unbelievably effective, 'cause he's put a bill in. I don't, I have no idea what that means.

   8. ZTZack Telander3:31

      Yeah, it's a waste of time. Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson3:33

      But he's created a bill, and it's actually been put out into the world. Uh, is there not more important things to do? Your country's fucked. Like the government and the politicians-

   10. ZTZack Telander3:44

       Yeah, we have, I mean it-

   11. CWChris Williamson3:44

       ... in your country are fucked.

   12. ZTZack Telander3:48

       (laughs) It's a, it, a guy is basically trolling at like the elite level.

   13. CWChris Williamson3:51

       Professional trolling, yeah.

   14. ZTZack Telander3:52

       Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'd rather, you know, tax dollars go elsewhere for sure, for sure than that. And that, it's a, it's insane, um, but, you know, here we are talking about it.

   15. CWChris Williamson4:06

       Yeah, fair point. I also, I don't know, I feel like trying to further restrict in response to a restriction is just a bad... uh, it, it's not a tremendously good way to try and even the scales, right? If you have a problem with a particular law, let's say it's restrictions on voter ID, you don't then try and restrict something else to even the scales. You try to reduce the restriction that you've got a problem with. And the same thing goes with abortion law. Like if you're bothered about the restrictions on abortions, then you can fight that. But trying to create something that sits on the opposite side of the fence, it makes it too easy. If he genuinely cared, I think there would've been a smarter way to go about this, because it's not, it's not the same. It's not equivalent. It would be, it would be the same as a woman getting her tubes tied, which-

   16. ZTZack Telander4:56

       Right.

   17. CWChris Williamson4:56

       ... isn't the same as an abortion.

   18. ZTZack Telander4:59

       Yeah, they, they, that doesn't match up for me at all, really. Restricting someone's ability to reproduce, um, and then the other one is, you know, the, the person has already reproduced.

   19. CWChris Williamson5:10

       Yeah, and then you're-

   20. ZTZack Telander5:11

       Right?

   21. CWChris Williamson5:11

       ... taking a life, which is what the people that are pro-life are arguing. That bit about, uh, there should be laws to address the responsibility of men who impregnate women, it's like, what do you mean? Like there already are.

   22. ZTZack Telander5:26

       Yeah, there's, um...

   23. CWChris Williamson5:28

       You have to pay for the child. (laughs)

   24. ZTZack Telander5:30

       Yeah. (laughs) There's child support.

   25. CWChris Williamson5:30

       Yeah, for a very long time.

   26. ZTZack Telander5:31

       That already exists.

   27. CWChris Williamson5:32

       Anyway.

   28. ZTZack Telander5:33

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson5:33

       That's, that's what I've been thinking about this week.

   30. ZTZack Telander5:36

       Yeah, that's re- it's, that's ins- credibly odd. It sounds like it would be a headline to an Onion article.
3. 6:00 – 21:26

   Can Jon Jones Redeem Himself?

   1. ZTZack Telander6:00

      um, I've been thinking about Jon Jones, um...He has, he's gotten in trouble again. This time, it was abusing his wife. He's got a, he- for, for those who are listening who don't know who Jon Jones is, maybe you, you don't know martial arts, he's, you know, considered one of the best martial artists, like really of all time, which is, which is crazy. Um, he's in the UFC. Hasn't been active in a long time, and he's a very, very troubled individual. And he just recently, uh, was elected, or not elected, um, Hall of Fame, right? He was, he was inducted, yes. Inducted into the Hall of Fame for one of his fights. I can't remember which f-

   2. CWChris Williamson6:44

      Gustafsson.

   3. ZTZack Telander6:45

      Would you know off ... It was the one with Gustafsson? Okay. So, um, he had just gotten his award. He, you know, went back to the hotel. Told his wife that-

   4. CWChris Williamson6:55

      In Vegas.

   5. ZTZack Telander6:55

      Yeah, in Vegas, of course. That actually really matters in this one. Okay? So in Vegas, told his wife, "Hey, I'm gonna go out. I'm taking $10,000. Uh, I'm gonna go out." Comes back, they get in an argument at like 5:00 in the morning. He hits her. She goes down to the lobby, the security guard notices the blood on her face, um-

   6. CWChris Williamson7:13

      'Cause she asks to change their room key.

   7. ZTZack Telander7:15

      Right. It was a cry for help. It was a, well, she, I- that's actually true. She, she didn't want to go back to the room with him. I think she wanted a different ... Or wait, did she want to lock him out?

   8. CWChris Williamson7:25

      I think she wanted to lock him out, so by changing the room key-

   9. ZTZack Telander7:28

      Okay.

   10. CWChris Williamson7:28

       ... he wouldn't have been able to get back in, and she went down, and the, one of the daughters was there with her.

   11. ZTZack Telander7:35

       Yes. And I think, you know, that also could've been like a, "Hey, I'm, I'm in trouble." Like, "I'm scared." Type of thing also, right? It's, a lot of times-

   12. CWChris Williamson7:46

       Yeah. 'Cause she said, the, the wife said, "Can we just get a new room key?" And the guy mentioned, "Do you need any assistance?" And she kind of said no, but she also said that she didn't want to go back up. And then it was the daughter.

   13. ZTZack Telander7:57

       Yeah.

   14. CWChris Williamson7:57

       The daughter was the one that said, "Can you call the police?"

   15. ZTZack Telander8:02

       Right. Yes.

   16. CWChris Williamson8:03

       That's fucked.

   17. ZTZack Telander8:05

       I know. That was, that, I think that was the, the Chael video that you sent me. That was the, the, the part that really, you know, freaked me out.

   18. CWChris Williamson8:13

       It makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Like-

   19. ZTZack Telander8:15

       Yeah. If your own daughter is, wants to call the police on you.

   20. CWChris Williamson8:16

       ... your daughter is calling the police on you to stop you from hitting her mother.

   21. ZTZack Telander8:21

       Yeah.

   22. CWChris Williamson8:22

       Like-

   23. ZTZack Telander8:22

       So-

   24. CWChris Williamson8:23

       ... crazy.

   25. ZTZack Telander8:23

       So he's a very, very, very troubled man, and we can talk about like, you know, what he should do or shouldn't do, or what should happen. But something that's very interesting to me is, um, this was something that Daniel Cormier, who's now, uh, you know, an analyst and, uh, you know, just a, a figurehead at the UFC. Um, he was a, a heavyweight champion, or super heavyweight champion, uh, in the UFC f- I don't know. He defended it a couple times. He lost the belt, got it back. But, um, he had a few fights with Jon Jones, and one of the things that he said in his interview, he ended up kind of predicting the future. And I'll just play the clip. Um, I'll play the audio here.

   26. NANarrator9:11

       You don't want to hear my reaction. Please. He, he doesn't want to hear my reaction because I will tell him some sobering truth. Please. Sobering truth is, his history dictates and determines that the same thing's gonna happen. That is his character. That is him at his core. I look at that young lady, the PR lady that's on his team now, and I see in her eyes, she knows she's fighting a losing battle. (laughs) I look at his coaches. I see that these guys know that this kid will not change. Right. He won't, he will not change. He's the same guy. He's rotten at his core, and he will continue to (censored) up. Don't you think that people can learn from their mistakes? Mistakes? Mistakes. You don't constantly make mistakes. No? You make mistakes, but you don't do 'em over and over- No? ... and over and over. No. No? Says who? You don't do that. Says who? If you know when a mistake, when you make a mistake, it changes. You try to make yourself better. Necessarily. And there's many times we've heard this speech. Jonathan's 1

   27. ZTZack Telander10:00

       Pretty unbelievable.

   28. NANarrator10:02

       When was that?

   29. ZTZack Telander10:02

       That gave me the chills. So that was, I believe, two years ago! John had already been in a lot of trouble and DC says he's rotten at his core and he is bound to repeat ... History will repeat m- itself with this man. And look at what we're doing. We're talking about this. I thought that that was the most effective ... Like I- I have not seen something like that. That w- th- to me, that was chilling. And what I wanted to talk about y- with you, Chris, is wh- what ... Well, I guess first, let's talk about redemption for someone like Jon Jones. And my theory is that he has to almost, he has to let go of his i- identity completely. He has to do penance, you know, whatever that is. If he has to go to jail, whatever that i- you know, um, if that's monetary. But he has to lose his identity as a fighter and as a party-goer and has to change his, his life entirely in order to recover from this and, you know, this type of behavior for someone in the real world, someone who doesn't have the money that Jon Jones does, doesn't have the fame and notoriety that Jon Jones does, this type of behavior leads to jail time, leads to death, leads to other people being injured.

   30. CWChris Williamson11:18

       If he was some normal Black man out in the world of America, he's fucked.
4. 21:26 – 29:00

   New Zealand All-Whites

   1. CWChris Williamson21:26

      So, uh, New Zealand is divided over the All Whites name change. You seen this?

   2. ZTZack Telander21:33

      No.

   3. CWChris Williamson21:34

      A heated debate is raging in New Zealand after the country's football governing body said it was considering changing the nickname of the men's national team.

   4. ZTZack Telander21:41

      Yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson21:41

      New Zealand football has revealed that the All Whites name could be changed in order to avoid racist connotations. The sport's governing body has confirmed that it was reviewing the name, setting the scene for arguments between the old school traditionalists and those who value inclusivity. Many New Zealand sport sh- sporting sides have color based nicknames. The men's cricket side are the Black Caps, the men's basketball side are the Tall Blacks; however, none rankle like the All Whites, which can be read to mean excluding other ethnicities. The question of the name change comes as many New Zealand organizations adopt names and identities that incorporate Maori culture and language. The police chief, uh, sorry, the... (laughs) police chief, football chief said that the sporting body was on a journey around cultural inclusivity, "We are working on a process with stakeholders across the game, as well as people from outside football, looking at all areas of the organization to make sure they are fit for purpose in 2021 and beyond." Uh, one of New Zealand's greatest ever players, Wynton Rufer, a proud Maori man and a member of the 1982 team that they got their, uh, name from, said changing the All Whites name was, quote, "Absolute madness. The All Blacks brand is iconic, and this is no different."

   6. ZTZack Telander22:53

      Okay, so this is the first time I've ever heard of the name the All Whites.

   7. CWChris Williamson22:56

      Me too.

   8. ZTZack Telander22:57

      So-

   9. CWChris Williamson22:57

      I don't think New Zealand are particularly good at football.

   10. ZTZack Telander23:00

       Right, so that's what I... I was like, "The All Whites? What?" I know the All Blacks 'cause they're legendary. Literally, one of the greatest dynasties in all of sport. Um, you know, there's been a lot of changes in America with American football, um, with many other teams and their logos. Um, and it's just kind of-

   11. CWChris Williamson23:22

       Like Redskins and stuff, didn't that-

   12. ZTZack Telander23:23

       Yeah, the Redskins now, I don't know what they're ... This is pathetic, but I think they're just like the Washington Football Team or something like that. (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson23:30

       (laughs) That's the-

   14. ZTZack Telander23:30

       I swear to God.

   15. CWChris Williamson23:31

       ... lamest name ever.

   16. ZTZack Telander23:32

       Yeah, yeah, um, and then, you know, the Indians had that old logo which was like the smiling Native American guy.

   17. CWChris Williamson23:37

       Yes, the, the newest name is the Washington Football Team.

   18. ZTZack Telander23:41

       Yeah. Is that, is that what it is? Did you just look it up?

   19. CWChris Williamson23:43

       The Washington Football Team.

   20. ZTZack Telander23:45

       Yep. So then, um, it also was the Bullets. They were changed, that was changed in, God, the, maybe the late '90s, 2000 maybe.

   21. CWChris Williamson23:55

       What did that originally mean?

   22. ZTZack Telander23:57

       Um, the Bullets, it was the Washington Bullets, and it was just a bullet logo. It was cool as hell.

   23. CWChris Williamson24:01

       What was wrong with that?

   24. ZTZack Telander24:02

       Uh-

   25. CWChris Williamson24:03

       Gun crime?

   26. ZTZack Telander24:03

       Violence, crime, violence.

   27. CWChris Williamson24:05

       Okay.

   28. ZTZack Telander24:05

       So, so then now they're the, uh, Washington Wizards. It's a basketball team. Um, there's plenty of different things like that, and I don't know, it can be argued both ways. A redskin is pretty tough, man. It's hard to ... You know, that is a slang, that is a slang term, that's a derogatory term.

   29. CWChris Williamson24:26

       Mm-hmm.

   30. ZTZack Telander24:28

       ... but it depends, you know, who are you offending and, and are they offended? And that's the real question. It-
5. 29:00 – 36:24

   Mark Rippetoe’s Beef with Zack

   1. CWChris Williamson29:00

      a man with a mustache.

   2. ZTZack Telander29:02

      Oh, Mark Rippetoe?

   3. CWChris Williamson29:04

      Yeah.

   4. ZTZack Telander29:05

      Well, okay, so if, are we, do we want to dive into this?

   5. CWChris Williamson29:08

      I want to know about the man with a mustache.

   6. ZTZack Telander29:11

      Okay, so this is, for, for people listening, this is a, a f- it's almost a silly kind of internet beef, but we'll dive into it because it does get a little bit interesting. It starts off about a year and a half ago, my profession, my expertise is in the sport of Olympic weightlifting. So, a year and a half ago, this guy named, um, Mark Rippetoe, he's the creator of Starting Strength and his book has reached almost a million copies sold. Uh, it is like, you know, a guideline to barbell training to get stronger. And, you know, I think at the timing of which he came out with the book and started to build his YouTube channel and content, it was timed very, very well. We're, we are now in an era where there's a lot more people with good, uh, if not better information than Starting Strength. Uh, but he was one of the originals and he got people stronger, and that's very important to understand. He was talking about Olympic weightlifting in, uh, one of his podcasts a year and a half ago, and he, he, he kept uttering the same thing that he always talks about throughout this. And it's that weightlifting coaches or power lifting coaches, they don't know what they're talking about. And there's always this idea, there's always this feeling that-Yes, he's trying to get beginners stronger. He will outwardly say, "I don't care about professional athletes. I don't care about elite performance." But at the same time, he will say, "Those who are coaching elite performance are, are those who are doing things elitely, they don't know what they're doing." And so he said that about weightlifting and I ended up writing a comment, and then he did a Comments From the Haters, that's one of his segments, and he said my comment. Or he, he, he read it out loud. So a year later, I'm like, "You know what? I forgot about this thing. I made a video." And it kind of exploded a little bit, uh, basically talking about the things that Mark Rippetoe had said that I disagreed with. Then he made another clip, which was very egregious, where he laid out almost exactly what I t- had issues with, word for word, in a very, just very clear-cut way. And so all I did was then make another video and disagree with it. What he said precisely, okay, so there's a, a man named Lasha Tulkhadze, l- just performed the greatest snatch of all time. The snatch is moving the barbell from the floor to overhead. He did it with 223 kilograms. This man has broken the world record, which has been his own, God knows how many times. Okay? I believe the world record when he started was 217 and he's the one who's broken it six times now. Okay? This is th- this is just simply the greatest snatch ever. And Mark Rippetoe said, "Well, you know, his technique could have been better from our standpoint, but it doesn't matter because the snatch is 50% of your deadlift, uh, and, and technique doesn't matter." Those are the words directly out of his mouth. Then later he says, uh, later he says, "The reason why some of these old records haven't been broken is because weightlifting coaches don't know what they're talking about from a technical and a training standpoint." So for those of you listening, both of those things couldn't be more clear-cut contextual evidence as to what I disagree with wholeheartedly. Okay? So I made another video and boom, he sees this, makes another video retorting me, calling me a fucking child. So this time he just goes off. A fucking child. "My viewers," uh, he said, "are fucking idiots." He said, "I've sold one million books. What have you done? I've gotten more people strong than you. I've invented all of this different stuff." So at this point, the saga is over because his comments section is just attacking him. You know what I mean? It's, it's one of those things where we could have kept this stupid internet beef going on and on and on, but I just let, let him kind of defeat himself, which is the best way-

   7. CWChris Williamson33:32

      When did Men's Health write the article?

   8. ZTZack Telander33:34

      Right. So (laughs) that's where this gets even more ridiculous. Men's Health, okay? So for everyone listening, that, all, everything I just said doesn't mean anything to you, right? But if Men's Health starts to pick up this, maybe it will (laughs) okay? 'Cause Men's Health is a proper publication. It's not just some random YouTube channel. I see that Men's Health is doing a report on this beef. However, they refuse to use my name. Both Men's Health and, um, Mark Rippetoe refuse to use my name because they feel as though I'm going to gain clout from this. And this is exactly what I want. Right? That's another one of their arguments is like, "They just want clicks. That's why they're going after us." It's like, no, actually, I just disagree with you and I already get more clicks than you. I get more views, I get more clicks than you. That video which you called me out has the most clicks of any of your videos in the past six months, because I, it was about myself and my viewers went to your channel. But that's it. That's the whole story. It was just hilarious to wake up one morning and see Men's Health was covering this fucking internet beef about a weightlifting coach and some random old strength coach.

   9. CWChris Williamson34:49

      What was that comment where someone said, "What's all of this weightlifting stuff doing on my white supremacy channel?"

   10. ZTZack Telander34:54

       (laughs)

   11. CWChris Williamson34:55

       (laughs)

   12. ZTZack Telander34:55

       So, like, so Mark Rippetoe is like the most Texas, old, just like hard man. Okay? He's got a great accent. He says things like, "Why?" Right? Instead of why, he says, "Why?" And "What?" type of stuff. So, um, (laughs) he kind of has his own like little meme lords, which I really respect, like his own meta content people, uh, but he's more of like a libertarian, obviously right-leaning, and, uh, someone commented, it was like, "What is all this weightlifting pussy shit doing on my libertarian, uh, like right-leaning militia podcast?"

   13. CWChris Williamson35:40

       (laughs)

   14. ZTZack Telander35:40

       And I thought that shit was so funny, man.

   15. CWChris Williamson35:42

       (laughs)

   16. ZTZack Telander35:46

       I thought that was so funny. But yeah, that's what I've been involved in. And the thing is, like w- you and I talked about this. I had Men's Health covering it, right? And you were like, "Dude, you're sitting on a, a pot of gold here. You have to go-"

   17. CWChris Williamson35:59

       Yeah.

   18. ZTZack Telander35:59

       "... and make a video."

   19. CWChris Williamson36:00

       You had to.

   20. ZTZack Telander36:01

       After you said that, though, I went and checked on his video and it, all the comments were like negative, taking my side. So I was like, "You know what? I kind, this did the job for me."

   21. CWChris Williamson36:13

       Just leave it.

   22. ZTZack Telander36:13

       "I don't need to..." Yeah.

   23. CWChris Williamson36:15

       How noble of you. See, Jon Jones could learn a thing or two from you.

   24. ZTZack Telander36:19

       (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson36:19

       Just fucking let it go, Jon. Right. Right. D'you wanna, d'you want to learn about orgasms?

6. 36:24 – 51:03

   Intricacies of Female Orgasms

   1. CWChris Williamson36:24

   2. ZTZack Telander36:24

      Yes.

   3. CWChris Williamson36:25

      Yes.

   4. ZTZack Telander36:25

      Boy, do I ever. I thought you'd never ask.

   5. CWChris Williamson36:28

      Me too. So, uh, I looked at a study, Accounting for Women's Orgasms and Sexual Enjoyment in College Hookups and Relationships. So...This looked at, investigated the determinants of orgasm and sexual enjoyment in hook-up and relationship sex among heterosexual college women and seeks to explain why relationship s- uh, sex is better for women in terms of en- orgasm and sexual enjoyment. We found that women have orgasms more often in relationships than in hookups. Regression analysis reveal that specific sexual practices, experience with a particular partner, and commitment all predict women's orgasm and sexual enjoyment. The presence of more sexual practice conducive to women's orgasm in relationship sex explains some of why orgasm is more common in relationships. Uh, there was also a double standard contributing to why relationship sex is better for women. Both men and women question women's, but not men's, entitlement to pleasure in hookups, but believe strongly in women's, as well as men's, entitlement to pleasure in relationship. More attention is thus given to producing female orgasm in relationships, but not in hookups. And here's the stats. So, if you've had no prior hookups with this partner, 11% orgasm, one or two prior hookups with this partner, F- 16% orgasm, three plus prior hookups, 34%, and six plus months of a relationship, 67%.

   6. ZTZack Telander37:52

      Yeah, and, um, I, I almost know the reason why. It's like when you are first getting into some sort of relationship, whether it be physical, whether you have the intention of going further, there is the ... You have to kind of hide your cards. You, you have to, you have to-

   7. CWChris Williamson38:09

      As a guy?

   8. ZTZack Telander38:10

      ... sub- both women and men. And the discussion around sex is still a mystery. It's like you kind of have this thing where if you're gonna hook up with someone, you're like, "Oh man, I still have to, like, make this move at this time and I can't just outwardly say, 'Okay, so now we're gonna have sex now.' Can you tell me exactly what pleasures you and can you ... " You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's not the, the level of discussion. But w- as you get into a relationship, you're damn near shitting in front of your girlfriend, right? And your girlfriend is, you know, doing everything, like, you guys, there's no filter, so at that point she can be like, "Hey," you know, "do this exact thing and we're both gonna have a party in here. It's gonna be great."

   9. CWChris Williamson38:51

      Yeah.

   10. ZTZack Telander38:51

       Like, that, to me, that seems like the only logical reason.

   11. CWChris Williamson38:54

       Yeah, th- so it said the, um, presence of more sexual practice conducive, uh, experience with a particular partner, uh, commitment as well was another one. So, I wanted to dig into this more. So I read that-

   12. ZTZack Telander39:07

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson39:07

       ... and was like, "This is pretty interesting," so I wanna find out what causes women to enjoy sex more, uh, again, from this very rigorous broscience study that I've been doing. And what b- got me onto it was I was chatting to a bisexual girl actually, who's just come out of a relationship with, her first relationship with a girl, and she said to me, "Making a girl orgasm feels like quite an achievement. I can see why men enjoy it." But what that highlighted was that for girls, making a man come is just like, well, it's g- it's gonna happen. Like, if I just keep pumping away-

   14. ZTZack Telander39:44

       Yeah. Yep, it's gonna hap- yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson39:45

       ... just keep pumping, you know? And, and then it, it, it happens in the end. Whereas with a, a girl, there's more intricacies going on.

   16. ZTZack Telander39:53

       Right.

   17. CWChris Williamson39:54

       So, this is fucking fascinating, man. The influence of types of stimulation and attitudes to clitoral self-stimulation on female sexual and orgasm satisfaction, a cross-sectional study. So, long and short of it-

   18. ZTZack Telander40:08

       (laughs)

   19. CWChris Williamson40:09

       ... is, long and short of it is that girls, on the whole, see any type of orgasm that involves using the clitoris as a second standard. It's like a second-class quality for it.

   20. ZTZack Telander40:20

       Okay.

   21. CWChris Williamson40:21

       Which is pretty crazy. So, whether women experience orgasms depends mainly on the type of sexual activity. Direct stimulation of the clitoris improves the regularity of experienced orgasms, called orgasm consistency, and orgasm quality. During sexual intercourse without direct clitoral stimulation, only about one-third of females experience an orgasm. In contrast, during masturbation, 59% of women usually experience an orgasm. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Forward and back, forward and back. Women who orgasm more frequently reported a higher awareness of their bodily sensations, more erotic fantasies during intercourse, more variation in their sexual behavior, and higher emotional intimacy. So, emotional intimacy comes back to the relationship thing again. Uh, many women-

   22. ZTZack Telander41:03

       Yeah, and that is ... Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

   23. CWChris Williamson41:04

       M- many women who have difficulties experiencing an orgasm report psychological strain and low satisfaction with their sexual relationship. A low orgasm frequency is related to cognitive distraction, i.e. automatic thoughts, suppression of erotic thoughts, pressure to perform, and sexual myths. So, overall here, it says that orgasm consistency through sexual intercourse had a stronger influence on orgasm satisfaction and sexual satisfaction than orgasm consistency through oral sex, stimulation by the partner's hand, or self-stimulation. This is surprising since many women even describe an orgasm as more pleasurable when stimulated directly by the clitoris and female orgasm is least likely to be caused by this type of stimulation. Although there is no biological difference between a vaginal and a clitoral orgasm, many women seem to desire orgasms through purely vaginal penetration. The results indicate that the common misconception about sexuality, that it is normal for women to experience orgasms during penile-vaginal intercourse, influences the subjective evaluation of one's own sexuality. Orgasms from clitoral stimulation seem to have a second-class quality for some women-

   24. ZTZack Telander42:08

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson42:08

       ... while there is no evidence that these orgasms feel less pleasurable.

   26. ZTZack Telander42:13

       Right, because (laughs) it would seem as though the clitoral stimulation is almost like a hack, right? It's like you get your vibrator, you go right for it, you have the images in your brain or you watch porn, it just, (snaps fingers) you get it done. And if they can kind of teleport themselves to wherever they need to be while sex is happening and they get clitoral stimulation, they can almost do exactly the same thing that they were doing, you know, during masturbation. Uh, but-... the purely, would it ... Is it vaginal? Yeah. Purely v- vaginal, um, one would mean that their connection with whomever it is that they're hooking up with was so strong that it didn't require that. It didn't requi-

   27. CWChris Williamson42:59

       You can't hack your way out of it, yeah.

   28. ZTZack Telander43:01

       Yeah.

   29. CWChris Williamson43:01

       And I think that what was really fucking interesting was the talk about cognitive distraction, automatic thoughts, suppression of erotic thoughts, pressure to perform, and sexual myths. So, the biggest restriction to girls coming during sex, purely through penetrative sex, is their own mind.

   30. ZTZack Telander43:23

       Yes, yes. And part of it is the, you know, all of the things you listed above, it's kind of the trickle-down effect. There's k- there ... It's vulnerability at, at the end of the day, right? I mean, it's ... Why would I open myself up completely, carnally, like everything to this person if they're n- going to leave me? Right? It's, it's like that's almost what it requires to have that level of an orgasm. And for women who, like ... Uh, and again, this is (laughs) -
7. 51:03 – 1:07:41

   Is CrossFit a Legitimate Sport?

   1. ZTZack Telander51:03

      thing I wanna talk about, my friend, uh, Ian, Ian Daniel, we know him as Ian the Rhino, uh, he's a, he's a very strong dude, a powerlifter. He has a background in CrossFit, so he went to the CrossFit Games twice as a team athlete. Um, and he went to like legit games. It wasn't like early on. These were very hard to qualify. He's a very, very, you know, accomplished individual. And, uh, let's see. I'm gonna pull up the, the quote here, 'cause this is really interesting. Where are we at? Chris Williamson. There we go. And CrossFit Games posted a picture of a woman athlete, and I gotta find out what her name is. Vicki Caruso. And in this picture, she honestly looks like a single-digit body fat. On top of that, she has to perform these athletic feats and these feats of strength. So, she did a 280-pound clean, which is a little bit under, uh, 130 kilos. For a female, that is insane. Okay? For an average gym-going male, that's as high as you're gonna get. Okay? And she has single-digit body fat. She has unbelievable leg veins, ab definition, and she has... You know, it- it just doesn't seem legit. And the post that CrossFit Games posted, it was kind of like a repost. I wanna pull it up because the reason I bring Ian up is that they, um, they took his comment down. And his comment was the highest rated, it had the most comments, and it was about the drug use and the PED use in a sport like crossfit. God, I can't even find, I can't even find the original post because they post it so many times. Or they might have ta- Oh, here it is, right here. So, this is what Vicki Caruso had said. Uh, "Naturally the steroid comments come out. These comments don't even bother me anymore. I've been hearing about that stuff since I was 10 years old." Really? You've been hearing about steroid abuse since you were 10 years old? That... There's no way. "And my legs, uh, my legs were more defined than most professional bodybuilders. And then, all throughout running track in college, I was randomly chosen for drug tests. It doesn't bother me because I had nothing to hide, and I still don't. Anyone who knows me, knows that I'm a huge advocate for more drug testing. What bothers me is the fact that when people see someone do something that they can't do, especially in the world of fitness, they automatically assume they're taking something. I follow a fellow, I follow a lot of fellow athletes, and every time I see someone hit a big lift or do something impressive, I'm happy for them. I have never once thought, 'Oh, they're juicing because they're doing something I can't.' If it comes out a couple months later that they were on, that, that they were on, then joke's on me. But until then, let's start celebrating people's successes. Uh, we need to be positive and supportive of, of each other and stop comparing people." Okay, so if you look at this woman's profile, and you should definitely flash some of these pictures on screen, there is some crazy, uh, definition. Stuff that you would see on bodybuilders. And it is possible, it is absolutely possible to diet down and get everything perfectly if you are genetically capable of having that level of definition. It, and vascularity. It is possible for her to do that single thing naturally. Now, is it possible for her to do that and clean 130 kilos? I would say no. And it would point me in the, in the direction of saying no. So, this is where my friend Ian says this."The idea that CrossFit is a natural sport at, at the most elite levels is literally the biggest non-truth told to its audience. That is... This is coming from a previous two-times game competitor. I'm tired of it. It's disingenuous to sell that idea to gen pop. The use of peptides and fast-clearing steroid horm- hormones is rampant and kept quiet. I literally know of previous Reebok-sponsored athletes who popped and were never disclosed because it would hurt the brand's image. Too much of fit- too much of fitness makes money off of using their elites to mislead people into what kinds of results are realistic through natural dieting and training. Cleaning 280 as a female with what appears to be single-digit body fat? Sorry, that's not how female... that's not how natural female physiology works." Now, when I took a screenshot of this, he had 227 likes on this, um, which was, you know, 50 times the next highest liked one. And I came back to it a couple hours later and there was 400 likes. Then I came back to it a couple hours later, and it was gone. Okay? The, the number one liked thing, the number one opinion on this was taken down obviously by CrossFit Games themselves. Um, so it's, it's, it's interesting that you have a m- a business that wants to be considered a legitimate, clean and fair sport, uh, when in reality, they would never ever want to negatively affect their business by popping one of their own athletes.

   2. CWChris Williamson56:32

      But they popped Ricky Gerard.

   3. ZTZack Telander56:35

      Yeah, and to me, I think, you know, that could have been the sacrificial lamb. So for those listening, Rich- Ricky Gerard got third at the games, um, whatev- whatever year that was, the CrossFit games. And-

   4. CWChris Williamson56:51

      2017.

   5. ZTZack Telander56:52

      And then they... Yeah, and then they ended up retroactively, uh, popping him fro- for SARMs. So he tested positive there. Now a lot of people have been saying that that was a sacrificial lamb to say that CrossFit's like, "Look, we popped a guy who's... who was third place, you know, who was on the podium," but it's Ricky Gerard. No one knows who the hell he is. Matt Frazier, you know, Rich Froning, uh, any of the women, Tia-Clair Toomey, whatever it is, maybe they're on, maybe they're not, but boy, if they ever tested positive, they would never do anything.

   6. CWChris Williamson57:25

      You think?

   7. ZTZack Telander57:26

      I mean... Oh, yeah. R- If Rich Froning... I mean, for me, all signs point to a lot of these guys using.

   8. CWChris Williamson57:34

      Why?

   9. ZTZack Telander57:34

      I'll never know.

   10. CWChris Williamson57:34

       Why?

   11. ZTZack Telander57:35

       We will never know because... Why? Is because the game is recovery. So CrossFit especially, the m- it is a sport where recovery could not be more important than anything else because you have to, every single day, do things that require mainly work capacity work. There are certain things that, that are like snatch, clean and jerk, you know, a single rep of each, but for the most part we see 10 to 20 minute workouts where work capacity is being tested. And it's not entirely a skill-based sport. And I would say that about many different, um, you know, many different Olympic sports. You know, it's not... Th- to me the skill, the, the hard aspect of sports is adapting to certain stimulus at- when you need to. Rugby, you have to make a move b- because you're... d- it's determined by your opponent. Um, you have to change. No two movements are the same ever in rugby. It's all about what you can do with your mind. It takes a lot of skill in that way. In CrossFit, they literally, for one of the events, took a bunch of sandbags, brought them from one end of the arena to a, a, a wheelbarrow. They wheeled them across to the other side of the arena, and then they took those sandbags and walked them up the stairs. Just to show that this sport is about capacity. We are te- testing capacity. Who is capable of doing the most work?

   12. CWChris Williamson59:03

       For the most part-

   13. ZTZack Telander59:04

       And there's n-

   14. CWChris Williamson59:05

       ... CrossFit is just an accelerator and learning how hard to press the accelerator.

   15. ZTZack Telander59:10

       And, and who can do that the most efficiently and the best. And there's nothing wrong with that. But that leads me to believe that honest to God, anabolics and androgens couldn't work in a... couldn't work better in any sport. They would benefit a CrossFitter more than most other sports androgens could benefit them because of the recovery aspect of it, because it's pure gas pedal, it's pure motor, it's pure engine. Whereas, uh, you know what? Here's another one, cycling. But see that's... Cycling, I- if it's the multiple day efforts, yeah, cycling is very similar.

   16. CWChris Williamson59:52

       Recovery.

   17. ZTZack Telander59:53

       Yeah.

   18. CWChris Williamson59:54

       Low skill.

   19. ZTZack Telander59:55

       Low skill. Just effort. Just go. You know, you have to think about when you're gonna do something, when you're gonna move, whatever, but for the most part it's just who can recover the most.

   20. CWChris Williamson1:00:04

       Yeah, I think strategy-

   21. ZTZack Telander1:00:05

       Who can-

   22. CWChris Williamson1:00:05

       ... and skill are, are two slightly different techniques. Like, you can have your strategy in your mind, and that doesn't mean-

   23. ZTZack Telander1:00:12

       Right.

   24. CWChris Williamson1:00:12

       ... that you're not skilled at what you do, but yeah, I, um... Didn't, didn't Matt Frazier say on Rogan, wasn't his excuse, "I don't know if steroids would help"? Didn't he say that?

   25. ZTZack Telander1:00:23

       I don't think he said that.

   26. CWChris Williamson1:00:24

       Someone's-

   27. ZTZack Telander1:00:24

       I don't think he... No.

   28. CWChris Williamson1:00:25

       I've heard someone use that. Maybe it was Brent Fikowski. I've heard someone use-

   29. ZTZack Telander1:00:28

       I mean, yeah, steroids, they, they damn near help with everything, literally everything. I, I, I've-

   30. CWChris Williamson1:00:35

       But they're not... So the problem that CrossFit has is it, it's like the UFC back in the day where it's got an internal doping-
8. 1:07:41 – 1:15:50

   Facebook’s Whistleblower

   1. ZTZack Telander1:07:41

   2. CWChris Williamson1:07:41

      Did you see that Mark Zuckerberg lost $6 billion in a day when Facebook was down?

   3. ZTZack Telander1:07:49

      Listen, man, if he takes my Instagram away from me once more, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I think if he does, he should go bankrupt. No, I'm kidding. Um, that's, that's the sort of shit that just, it's... Is it wrong that I feel good about it? (laughs)

   4. CWChris Williamson1:08:06

      I don't know. So, he went on-

   5. ZTZack Telander1:08:08

      (laughs)

   6. CWChris Williamson1:08:08

      ... the world's richest list, he dropped from number two, I think... Sorry, from number three to number five. So, it's Elon Musk, 210 billion-

   7. ZTZack Telander1:08:20

      Yeah.

   8. CWChris Williamson1:08:20

      ... Jeff Bezos, 185 billion, Bernard Arnault... Fuck knows who he is. Who is he? What's he doing with all of these big names? 153 billion. Bill Gates, 124. Mark Zuckerberg, the Zuck, 121. Big, fat drop off. Mark Zuckerberg's personal wealth has fallen by more than $6 billion in a few hours, knocking him down a notch on the list of the world's richest people after a whistleblower came forward and Outages took Facebook Inc.'s flagship pro- products offline. A sell-off sent the social media giant's stock plummeting 4.9% on Monday-

   9. ZTZack Telander1:08:55

      Oh my God.

   10. CWChris Williamson1:08:55

       ... adding to a drop of about 15% since S- September. The stock sent, uh, stock slide on Monday sent Zuckerberg's worth down to 121.6 billion, dropping him below Bill Gates, number five on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. He's down from almost 140 billion in a matter of weeks, according to the index. Shit, son.

   11. ZTZack Telander1:09:19

       Man, he's still got $121 billion, so why... I don't give a shit about Mark Zuckerberg's personal wealth, wealth.

   12. CWChris Williamson1:09:28

       Did you watch the-

   13. ZTZack Telander1:09:29

       You know?

   14. CWChris Williamson1:09:29

       Have you been seeing the whistleblower stuff, that lady that came forward?

   15. ZTZack Telander1:09:33

       About the Pandora Papers?

   16. CWChris Williamson1:09:34

       No, the-

   17. ZTZack Telander1:09:35

       Oh.

   18. CWChris Williamson1:09:36

       ... Facebook internal employee who's been releasing all of these documents.

   19. ZTZack Telander1:09:40

       No, I haven't. I haven't.

   20. CWChris Williamson1:09:41

       This is wild. So it's kind of, it's weird because everybody-

   21. ZTZack Telander1:09:45

       (clears throat)

   22. CWChris Williamson1:09:45

       ... from the outside looking in, especially since... What was that Netflix documentary about social media?

   23. ZTZack Telander1:09:52

       Oh, God. Um... Fuck.

   24. CWChris Williamson1:09:55

       That one.

   25. ZTZack Telander1:09:56

       Yes. That one. Yes.

   26. CWChris Williamson1:09:57

       Since, since that one, uh, came out, everyone's sort of known. Everyone's had it in the back of their minds that, "Look, this is, this is pretty fucked. The algorithms are manipulating us. They're telling us things, they're changing our behavior. They're making us feel a certain way, making people fearful, limbic hijack, racing to the bottom of the brainstem." Like, all of this, like, fuck, who, who's surprised by this? People like Tristan Harris have been talking about this shit for literally four or five years publicly, the ex-design ethicist at Google. Um, but the difference now, I don't know why, I don't... Maybe it's just because... Maybe I'm overestimating or underestimating how normie the normies are. Like, you have to be pretty fucking normie to not know that Facebook and WhatsApp and Instagram are doing this sort of shit to people. Um-

   27. ZTZack Telander1:10:45

       Yeah.

   28. CWChris Williamson1:10:45

       But maybe I'm, maybe I'm giving them too much credit. Uh-

   29. ZTZack Telander1:10:49

       But being aware of it, does that make you any better? Does that change your psyche at all?

   30. CWChris Williamson1:10:53

       No, but it wouldn't mean... Like, I'm not surprised. This woman's come forward and said, "In the reports, we have verifiable information. Facebook's internal team has information saying that Instagram actually hurts the body image of young girls, that it causes increases in suicidal ideation, that there is like a betw- they reckon that there are, between 3 and 5% of global conflict is due to Facebook. They police the platform, they manage to get a particular percentage, but they police almost all of the comments and the content on the platform in English, and English only accounts for 9% of all of the content that's produced on Facebook. So overall, what you end up with is the world now being told through a whistleblower that what people presumed for a very long time and had already backward engineered-
9. 1:15:50 – 1:16:32

   Where to Find Zack

   1. CWChris Williamson1:15:50

      alt-right libertarian YouTube channel?

   2. ZTZack Telander1:15:53

      Just go to my YouTube channel, Zach Tellander, Z-A-C-H space T-E-L-L-A-N-D-E-R. And, uh, yeah, you can go there. And if you guys want to learn how to weight lift, go to my Patreon, patreon.com/zachtellander, and if you want to watch me do more stuff, go to my Instagram, coach_zt. And that's it.

   3. CWChris Williamson1:16:12

      Easy. We're out. (upbeat music)

Episode duration: 1:16:32