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The Rise And Fall Of The Girlboss Meme - Katherine Dee

Katherine Dee is a writer, journalist and internet historian. There are lots of male subcultures. Incels, RedPill, Pickup Artists, Soy Boys. But what are women getting up to? Trends like Hot Girls Have IBS. Hot Girls Eat Fish. And most well known, the girlboss meme. Katherine is here to explain just what is happening in the oestrogen-fuelled underbelly of the internet. Expect to learn why the girlboss meme came about, why there is a coming wave of sex-negativity, whether it really is possible to be hot while you have IBS, Katherine's biggest red flags when choosing a partner, whether it should be legal to pay to drug women so you can have sex with their lifeless bodies, why predictable is good when dating and much more... Sponsors: Get $100 discount on the best water filter on earth from AquaTru at https://bit.ly/drinkwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and more from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 15% discount on Mud/Wtr at http://mudwtr.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Follow Katherine on Twitter - https://twitter.com/default_friend Follow Katherine on Substack - https://defaultfriend.substack.com/ Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #girlboss #feminism #subculture - 00:00 Intro 02:06 Katherine’s Prediction of Sex Negativity 06:43 TikTok Rips off Tumblr’s Originality 10:09 The Death of the Girlboss Archetype 19:44 Looking to the Future of Female Trends 29:40 Young Guys are Taking Relationship Examples from the Internet 36:50 Why Women Get Paranoid When They Like a Man 39:38 Red Flags to Look For in a Man 40:22 Beware of Convoluted Dating Advice 41:38 Be Direct, Not Desperate 43:05 Don’t Be Too Available for Sex 45:40 Why Predictability is Good for Relationships 48:17 Relationships Should Always Have Forward Momentum 49:45 You Can’t Manipulate Your Way into Relationship with Sex 51:23 Learn from People Through Their Jokes 53:11 Don’t Look for People Similar to Your Ex 53:41 Be the Less Invested Partner 54:46 If You’re Composing a Reply on Apple Notes, It’s Time to Break Up 55:35 Don’t Date Someone if You Wouldn’t Be Comfortable Marrying Them 57:56 Why You Shouldn’t Date Down 1:01:40 Does Body Count Matter? 1:03:17 Durable Relationships Come From Shared Values 1:05:22 The Problem with the ‘I Love You’ Text 6 Months Later 1:06:32 Incels are Right About ‘Emotional Tampons’ 1:07:31 If You’re Drinking & Smoking to Have Sex, You Don’t Like it 1:12:05 People Giving Advice are Speaking to Themselves 1:13:08 Katherine’s Next Projects - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Katherine DeeguestChris Williamsonhost
Mar 24, 20231h 14mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

From Girlboss Burnout To Sex Negativity: Mapping Modern Dating Culture

  1. Chris Williamson and writer Katherine Dee unpack the rise and fall of the ‘girlboss’ archetype, the shift from sex positivity to sex skepticism, and how internet subcultures shape modern dating expectations for both men and women.
  2. Dee explains how legacy media, Tumblr, and now TikTok amplified fringe ideas into mainstream discourse, fueling trends around identity, sexuality, and feminism that are now entering a more self-critical, moderate phase.
  3. They explore how chronically online life distorts perceptions of romance, increases “ambient rejection,” and encourages pathological dating strategies on both sides, from incel culture to girlboss oversharing and manifestation fantasies.
  4. The conversation closes with Dee’s blunt dating heuristics, emphasizing boundaries, predictability, shared values, and the dangers of high body counts, limerence, and trying to manipulate relationships via sex or convoluted “hacks.”

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The girlboss archetype burned out as its promises clashed with loneliness and aging.

What began as an empowering ideal—women ‘having it all’ in career and casual sex—devolved into a “train-wreck girlboss” trope of oversharing, manic spending, and emotional denial, which many women abandoned as it stopped serving them in their 30s.

Sex positivity has hit its limit, prompting a swing toward sex skepticism and restraint.

After years of pushing every taboo—from Teen Vogue kink pieces to extreme TikTok content—the only way to be transgressive became ideological, and many young people and mainstream feminists are now re-evaluating hookup culture, MeToo excesses, and casual sex norms.

Online life massively increases low-level rejection, which compounds into deeper hurt.

Dee’s “rejection sensitivity” idea highlights that dating apps, social media, and ghosting create thousands of micro-rejections, so when a big rejection hits, it lands on top of a huge unseen pile, making people feel far more fragile and jaded than they realize.

Most ‘new’ TikTok pathologies are old internet patterns with bigger reach.

Trends like self-diagnosed multiple personality disorder appeared on Usenet and personal sites long before TikTok; what’s changed is user volume and journalists amplifying niche behaviors for clicks, turning micro-subcultures into perceived generational crises.

Dating works best with clear boundaries, moderate availability, and predictability.

Dee’s advice stresses not being constantly available, avoiding “relationship purgatory,” valuing people who are emotionally predictable, and recognizing that convoluted dating hacks and love-bombing narratives often mask simple truths: interest, or lack of it.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

You can't really be a girlboss if you're completely alone, quarantined in your apartment.

Katherine Dee

When all the taboos have become mainstream, there is nothing left to transgress other than ideological transgression.

Chris Williamson (paraphrasing Ben Shapiro)

We're sort of swimming in this soup of rejection, and it has to have an impact on the way we feel.

Katherine Dee

If he doesn’t want to date you, he doesn’t want to date you. Doing this is a good way to get used for your body.

Katherine Dee

We weren’t designed to be exposed to this many people this frequently.

Chris Williamson

The rise and decline of the girlboss meme and its subtypesShift from sex-positive feminism toward sex skepticism/negativityHow platforms (Usenet → Tumblr → TikTok) recycle and amplify cultural trendsOnline dating, ambient rejection, and chronically online relationship expectationsMale and female subcultures: incels, MGTOW, emotional tampons, Call Her DaddyDating heuristics: boundaries, availability, predictability, and shared valuesCultural moderation and backlash against overreaching MeToo-style call-outs

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