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"Women Are Furious About This Research." - Darby Saxbe

Dr Darby Saxbe is a clinical psychologist, professor at USC, and author. Do dads get postpartum depression? Mothers face enormous physical and emotional changes after childbirth, but fathers can struggle too, often in silence. So what happens to men when they become dads, why does it affect some so deeply, and how can they adapt to a new life that nature has thrust upon them? Expect to learn what actually happens to dads after moms give birth, the physiological changes that happen to dads after birth, which behaviors create the effect known as “dad brain”, the biggest upsides and downsides of fatherhood for men, why postpartum depression in fathers goes unrecognized, the worst advice dads get, and much more… - Modern Wisdom Merch available this Friday at https://www.mwmerch.com/ Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period from Shopify at https://shopify.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at ⁠https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom⁠ Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠⁠https://chatgpt.com - 0:19 What is Dad Brain? 2:18 How Fatherhood Has Changed Over Time 8:18 What Happens to Men During Pregnancy? 12:57 Should Fathers Be in the Delivery Room? 13:47 Are Sympathetic Pregnancies Real? 15:17 What Couples Should Focus on During Pregnancy 17:56 The Real Cause of Dad Brain 24:18 The Top Behaviours That Trigger Dad Brain 31:31 Biology or Choice: What Makes a “Hands-On” Dad? 33:48 The Truth Behind the Deadbeat Dad Narrative 36:44 Can Fathers Bond at Any Age? 38:50 How Fatherhood Changes Male Hormones 46:44 Why Becoming a Father Is the Ultimate Masculine Role 50:25 Does Dad Brain Get Worse With More Kids? 53:19 How Daughters Change Fathers 1:00:48 Does Housework Ruin Cortisol Recovery? 1:03:43 Do Dads Experience Postpartum Depression? 1:15:29 Why Postpartum Depression Happens in Women 1:18:55 How to Support a Partner Through Postpartum Depression 1:31:09 The Worst Advice New Dads Hear - Dad Brain: The New Science of Fatherhood and How it Shapes Men's Lives here's a link to purchase: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250387523?lv=shuf&tag=macmillan-20&channelId=1&plpRedirect=mhFallback - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spotify.modernwisdom.com or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.modernwisdom.com Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Chris WilliamsonhostDr. Darby Saxbeguest
Jul 27, 20261h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Dad brain science: caregiving reshapes men’s brains, hormones, mental health

  1. New fathers show measurable brain remodeling (about 1% gray-matter volume loss) that appears tied to caregiving intensity, bonding, and day-to-day involvement rather than fatherhood status alone.
  2. Compared with mothers’ larger and more widespread changes (around 2.5% across cortex and subcortex), fathers’ changes are smaller, more variable, and largely cortical, suggesting experience-dependent adaptation.
  3. Modern fatherhood has shifted dramatically (parenting time tripling/quadrupling since mid-20th century), with pandemic-era hands-on involvement persisting and younger generations increasing time with children.
  4. The conversation challenges “deadbeat dad” and “postpartum is only for mothers” narratives by emphasizing gradations of father involvement, shared perinatal mental-health risk factors, and family-system impacts.
  5. Postpartum/perinatal depression is framed as an evolutionary-cultural mismatch driven by isolation, weak social support, and policy gaps (leave, childcare), with evidence that paternal leave benefits maternal mental health at the population level.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Dad brain is primarily built through caregiving practice, not just becoming a father.

Saxbe’s lab finds fathers who take leave, spend more daily time caregiving, and feel stronger prenatal bonding show the largest brain changes, especially in empathy/mentalizing networks.

Brain volume loss is likely “pruning for efficiency,” not simple cognitive decline.

The conversation reframes gray-matter reduction as streamlining, with some working-memory tradeoffs but enhanced memory and attention for baby-relevant cues (smell, needs, routines).

Fatherhood roles are culturally “tunable,” making paternal involvement highly context-dependent.

Hunter-gatherer examples show wide variability—from Aka fathers in constant proximity to infants to Kepsigis prohibitions against holding babies—suggesting ecology, risk, and labor structure shape paternal caregiving norms.

Couple conflict during pregnancy can worsen birth experiences and outcomes.

Saxbe describes findings that more negative fighting styles predict more medically complex, riskier births and higher stress appraisals, consistent with stress/tension interfering with physiological relaxation needed for labor.

Testosterone typically drops when dads engage in care, supporting bonding and reduced risk-taking.

Aligned with the “challenge hypothesis,” lower testosterone is presented as adaptive for nurturing and pair-bond stability, while supplementation may risk undermining patience and infant-tolerance (anecdotal, needs rigorous study).

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We've scanned men when they're midway through their partner's pregnancy, and then again after they have their first child. And we find that the brain, and I should caveat this is not a bad thing, loses gray matter volume across that transition to fatherhood.

Dr. Darby Saxbe

My lab found that this was totally tied to dads parenting time and investment.

Dr. Darby Saxbe

I used to joke that my husband and I went from good time pals to we're suddenly operating a small business with a very disappointed customer, right?

Dr. Darby Saxbe

I would argue that being a good dad is one of the most manly things you can do. You're literally rearing the next generation. You're guiding them. You're protecting them. You're inspiring them. You're teaching them.

Dr. Darby Saxbe

We now place a lot of pressure on individual parents and on the individual nuclear family to serve the roles that dozens of people used to serve when there was a lot more proximity and people helped each other out a lot more with care.

Dr. Darby Saxbe

What “dad brain” is and how it’s measuredGray-matter pruning, efficiency, and salience shiftsCultural models of fatherhood (Aka vs. Kepsigis)Delivery-room presence and couple conflict effects on birthCouvade/sympathetic pregnancy controversyCaregiving behaviors that drive paternal adaptationTestosterone, risk-taking, and the challenge hypothesisPerinatal depression in fathers and mothersHousework, cortisol recovery, and stress contagionPaternity leave policy and social-support interventions“Daughter effect” findings and gender socialization

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