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Zuby | Strength, Faith and Survival Tactics

Zuby is a rapper, author and podcaster. Zuby exploded onto the internet earlier this year and after a number of months being mentioned on the biggest news outlets and podcasts in the world it's time to get him on Modern Wisdom. Today we talk all things woke from cancel culture to the ethics of encouraging trans children, Zuby's views on religious thinking among atheists and his advice for how to operate in an increasingly chaotic world. Extra Stuff: Follow Zuby on Twitter - https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic Zuby's Website - https://www.zubymusic.com/ Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom #zuby #deadlift #mariolopez - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: modernwisdompodcast@gmail.com

ZubyguestChris Williamsonhost
Aug 22, 20191h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:14

    The viral deadlift tweet that kicked off a global firestorm

    Zuby recounts the nine‑second deadlift clip he posted with a satirical caption about gender and strength differences. The tweet rapidly goes viral, becoming a cultural flashpoint far beyond fitness circles.

    • 230kg deadlift video posted with satirical caption about biological differences
    • “I identified as a woman” punchline drives the controversy/virality
    • Immediate mass engagement: views, likes, retweets spike dramatically
    • The post resonates internationally, not just within the UK
  2. 1:14 – 1:52

    Powerlifting banter: records, injuries, and the ‘sumo is cheating’ debate

    Chris and Zuby riff on powerlifting numbers and what it would take for Zuby to ‘complete the set’ across lifts. They also tackle the evergreen deadlift argument: whether sumo is cheating and why biomechanics matter.

    • Zuby discusses squat PB, long-term injury, and record comparisons
    • Chris jokes about collecting records across deadlift/bench/squat totals
    • Sumo vs conventional: legality, individual leverage, and body proportions
    • Strongman/powerlifting context: why most don’t automatically choose sumo
  3. 1:52 – 5:49

    From 17k to 100k+: media pickup and downstream audience explosion

    Zuby describes the mainstream and alternative media coverage that followed, including major outlets and podcasts. The viral moment accelerates his growth across platforms—Twitter, YouTube, podcasting, and music.

    • Coverage by Fox News, BBC, Sky News, The Daily Wire, etc.
    • Podcast appearances amplify the moment (including Joe Rogan catalyst)
    • Follower growth described as sudden and disproportionate
    • Spillover benefits to music listeners and other content channels
  4. 5:49 – 7:06

    The long grind before the breakout: building as an independent rapper

    Zuby explains that the viral moment sat on top of a decade-plus foundation. He details touring the UK, selling albums directly, and consistently producing content across early and modern social platforms.

    • Full-time independent music career since 2011; rapping since 2006
    • Audience built via gigs, touring, and direct-to-fan album sales
    • Multiple releases (albums/EPs) and high-volume posting history
    • MySpace/YouTube/Facebook-era groundwork precedes Twitter growth
  5. 7:06 – 11:48

    Why some viral moments convert into lasting audiences (and most don’t)

    They unpack why people stayed after the tweet: depth of existing work and comfort handling attention. Zuby frames the virality as ‘odd’ but enabled by years of preparation and resilience to criticism.

    • A strong catalog and consistent voice keeps newcomers from bouncing
    • Viral fame brings both praise and hate; Zuby is ‘seasoned’ to it
    • Metaphor: the video required years of training and preparation
    • Luck as preparation + opportunity; foundation determines outcomes
  6. 11:48 – 15:26

    What the reaction revealed: ‘people feel silenced’ and satire breaks the spell

    Zuby interprets the public response as a release valve—many felt relieved to see a visual, comedic rebuttal to claims that deny physical sex differences. The video’s clarity made it harder to argue abstractly.

    • Many feel unable to voice dissent due to social pressure
    • Satire + visuals create a memorable ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ moment
    • Zuby emphasizes he’s not an elite lifter, yet outlifts women’s records
    • Critiques arguments attributing male strength advantages to socialization
  7. 15:26 – 18:46

    UK vs US and ‘reality-warping’: ideology showing up in everyday institutions

    Chris suggests the UK feels more grounded than the US, but Zuby argues the ideology appears both online and offline in the UK. He shares an example of official forms treating gender and even ethnicity as self-identified feelings.

    • Debate over whether these issues are internet-only or real-life too
    • Example: UK professional form distinguishes gender from sex as ‘felt identity’
    • Even ethnicity framed as personal identification, enabling absurd outcomes
    • Zuby notes the trend across the Anglosphere and cultural/linguistic factors
  8. 18:46 – 20:55

    The ‘eggshells’ culture and ideological enforcement: Rationality Rules example

    Chris describes backlash faced by a philosophy YouTuber after discussing transgender athletes, including institutional denunciation and a public apology. Zuby compares the behavior to religious heresy policing—ironically from atheist groups.

    • Fear of discussion due to reputational and institutional punishment
    • Atheist Society denouncement triggers apology and damage-control
    • Zuby notes atheism can become ‘religious’ in its dogmatism
    • Public shaming as a mechanism of conformity rather than open inquiry
  9. 20:55 – 26:27

    Religion as a human ‘core’: why politics, diets, and identities become faith-like

    Zuby outlines his view that humans have a religious impulse that can attach to many domains, not only organized faith. He contrasts humble belief with militant certainty, arguing both theists and atheists can become dogmatic.

    • Religion defined broadly as devotion/identity and ritualized commitment
    • Substitutes: politics, veganism/carnivore tribes, sports fandom, activism
    • Zuby’s Christianity framed with epistemic humility (‘I could be wrong’)
    • Dogmatism criticized: certainty about metaphysical claims without proof
  10. 26:27 – 29:56

    Mario Lopez, transgender kids, and the ‘never apologize if you’re not wrong’ rule

    They dissect Mario Lopez’s comments on gender decisions for young children and the intense backlash that followed. Zuby argues the original statement was reasonable, and the apology rewarded a mob dynamic that targets weakness.

    • Lopez’s cautious remarks still trigger disproportionate outrage
    • Zuby calls the apology the only real mistake and explains why
    • Mob behavior compared to predators seeking the ‘limping antelope’
    • Principle: stand firm; outrage cycles move on when not rewarded
  11. 29:56 – 38:55

    Hard lines: women’s safety in sport and life-altering medical decisions for children

    Zuby draws boundaries where ideology meets physical risk: contact sports, private spaces, and irreversible interventions for minors. He argues children lack agency for permanent decisions and cites desistance as common in youth dysphoria.

    • Safety/fairness concerns in women’s sport and single-sex spaces
    • Children can’t consent to permanent, life-altering medical pathways
    • Most childhood gender distress resolves; do not medicalize a phase
    • Examples of ordinary child behavior misread as proof of fixed identity
  12. 38:55 – 47:32

    Labeling as bullying and ‘struggle sessions’: how discourse gets shut down

    They explore how accusations like racist/sexist/transphobic function as shortcuts to end debate and coerce compliance. Zuby argues overuse dilutes real harms, incentivizes performative apologies, and produces a climate of fear in workplaces.

    • Labels used as intimidation tactics rather than arguments
    • Overuse desensitizes the public and provides cover for real bigotry
    • Template apologies likened to Soviet/Maoist-style struggle sessions
    • Entertainment/tech/media workers privately express fear of speaking openly
  13. 47:32 – 54:40

    Satire, ‘woke geography,’ and Titania McGrath as a cultural mirror

    Chris introduces the satirical character Titania McGrath and discusses how her exaggerated posts reflect real discourse online. Zuby argues some regions (London/Brighton) incubate the ideology more than others (e.g., Newcastle), similar to US coastal-city dynamics.

    • Titania McGrath as satire of extreme social justice language
    • Andrew Doyle’s authorship and the controversy after being revealed
    • Cultural clustering: Brighton identified as the UK’s ‘wokest’ city
    • Zuby’s preference: oppose harmful ideas while separating people from ideas
  14. 54:40 – 1:00:43

    Navigating the future: truth, authenticity, open-mindedness, and updating beliefs

    Zuby closes with practical principles for living and speaking in a contentious culture: tell the truth (or at least don’t lie), resist coerced apologies, and seek viewpoints beyond one’s echo chamber. He emphasizes learning requires being wrong and updates are a feature, not a failure.

    • Jordan Peterson rule: tell the truth—or at least don’t lie
    • Don’t apologize for what you don’t believe is wrong
    • Get outside echo chambers; invite challenge without crumbling
    • Intellectual humility: growth comes from recognizing past errors

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