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My First Million3 Startup Ideas: Mouse Jigglers, Employee Monitoring Softwares and Photoshop Copycats
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Remote-work cheating tools, indie software clones, and media-driven businesses
- Sam Parr revisits the overemployment phenomenon and shares an update involving employees using mouse-moving devices to appear active under workplace monitoring.
- The hosts describe a growing market on both sides: tracking software companies detecting fake activity and devices/communities helping workers evade detection.
- Sam Parr outlines multiple “winners” in the ecosystem, from a physical mouse-jiggler seller to a bootstrapped tracking SaaS and paid communities built around overemployment.
- Shaan Puri shifts to product-building lessons, arguing that “dog fooding” and staying close to user pain points improves product roadmaps and decision-making.
- The episode also covers intentional content consumption, admiration for unusually capable indie builders, Shaan’s positive Waymo experience, and a discussion of Ryan Serhant’s Netflix show as business marketing.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasRemote work enabled a cat-and-mouse ecosystem of monitoring and evasion tools.
Sam Parr describes how remote work, employee monitoring tools, and “mouse jigglers” have created an arms race between employers trying to measure productivity and workers trying to appear active.
Employee tracking software became a breakout bootstrapped business during/after the remote-work shift.
Sam Parr cites Hubstaff’s growth from a side project with publicly shared milestones into a much larger business, and notes the founder stopped “building in public” once it got big.
Overemployment evolved from a niche tactic into a monetizable community and content ecosystem.
Sam Parr explains how a subreddit moderator built overemployed.com and a large Discord community around overemployment, using affiliate links and a paid tier ($300/year) as monetization.
The hosts reject overemployment on ethical and strategic grounds.
Both hosts say they have zero desire to be overemployed, framing it as ethically wrong (Sam Parr) and as a betrayal of team relationships plus a strategically inferior path versus excelling at one job or starting a business (Shaan Puri).
Building and using your own product can create a tighter feedback loop for better product decisions.
Shaan Puri describes Tyler Dank turning a Spotify playlist into a newsletter to “dog food” Beehiiv, stay connected to user pain points, and guide product priorities through firsthand usage.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesThere's this weird Venn diagram of MFM listeners. There's this shithead, and then there's this ambitious person, and they overlap to create these ambitious shitheads.
— Sam Parr
I'm not gonna lie, I'm more afraid of this than I am, like, my wife cheating on me.
— Shaan Puri
If you are willing to be clever and, and hardworking enough to figure this out, like, dog, just, just either start your own business or crush it at one job and you'll make more money and work less than you will having to do this, like, thing and have to juggle this in your subconscious at all times about these lies that you're living, right?
— Shaan Puri
I remember thinking like, "You could have just studied."
— Sam Parr
I can't believe this is happening. Like, I can't believe in my lifetime this is just gonna happen, where we're just gonna shift from, like, nobody drives cars.
— Shaan Puri
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Sam Parr
hostEntrepreneur and co-host of My First Million; founder of The Hustle and creator of Trends.
Shaan Puri
hostEntrepreneur and co-host of My First Million; investor and founder of the Hampton community.
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