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*$1M Attention Guide: 15+ ways to get eyeballs on what you're building* https://clickhubspot.com/bvo9 Episode 869: Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talks to Angel Studios founder Jeff Harmon ( https://x.com/JeffreyHarmon ) about finding and exploiting glitches. — Show Notes: (0:00) I helped a dentist create one of the greatest marketing campaigns (8:35) How to find the glitch in the system (11:10) Go for your own problems (13:25) Where is the attention going? (16:10) ANGEL (19:15) 19-minute ad experiment (25:30) The genius moment behind Squatty Potty, Poo-Pourri (26:55) Poo-Pourri ad (27:25) How to craft a $100M ad (28:55) Use comedians (35:55) Warm up the algorithm (39:35) Super Bowl stunts (41:10) PG-13 content for the masses (44:45) Base hits vs. home runs (45:10) The economics of the movie business (47:05) “I’ve never met a billionaire who doesn’t want to make movies” (49:55) The brutality of Hollywood (54:10) Having a personal vibe coder (1:00:05) Advice to my younger self — Links: • Angel Studios — angel.com • Poo-Pourri — poopourri.com • Squatty Potty — squattypotty.com • Purple — purple.com • A24 — a24films.com — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton (joinhampton.com): My community for founders. Average member does $25m/year. Many of the guests are members. Get after it...apply: http://joinhampton.com/mfm — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire worldwide talent like Shaan and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than US equivalents. • Mercury - Shaan uses Mercury across all of his companies. you can too: http://mercury.com/ Mercury is a fintech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N.A., Members FDIC • I run all my newsletters on Beehiiv and you should too + we're giving away $10k to our favorite newsletter, check it out: beehiiv.com/mfm-challenge My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano /

Jeff HarmonguestShaan Purihost
Oct 7, 20261h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 2:38

    OraBrush origins: spotting an overlooked online market for a “garage full” product

    Jeff Harmon tells the story of meeting Dr. Bob in his last university class and challenging the idea that a product needs mass appeal to work online. He explains why focusing on the smaller segment willing to buy on the internet can be enough to get traction.

    • •Dr. Bob had boxes of OraBrush tongue cleaners at home and wanted help selling them
    • •Classmates argued it couldn’t be sold online and needed a big retail partner
    • •Jeff reframed “only 8% will buy online” as a large enough market to pursue
    • •The early strategy centered on the outcome (confidence for kissing) rather than product features
  2. 2:38 – 4:08

    Early marketing attempts: buying the “Kisses” Facebook page and learning what doesn’t convert

    Jeff describes spending money to acquire a large Facebook page, renaming it to OraBrush, and trying to push the product to a big audience. Despite the apparent advantage, the effort didn’t translate into meaningful sales, and other paid channels performed poorly.

    • •Dr. Bob hired Jeff after class based on his contrarian take
    • •They bought a Facebook page called “Kisses” with a large following and promoted OraBrush to it
    • •The page was renamed to OraBrush, creating a seemingly huge branded audience
    • •The approach failed to drive sales; Google Ads also lost money relative to revenue
  3. 4:08 – 8:38

    Building the breakthrough YouTube video: combining creators, comedy, and direct-response instincts

    Jeff explains how inspiration from early YouTube vlog formats and a scrappy production team led to a low-budget but effective campaign. He details how personal sales experience shaped the script and how they engineered an offer that removed friction.

    • •Jeff took cues from iJustine’s jump-cut style and aimed for a comparable production level
    • •He recruited roommates with film and comedy-writing skills to improve execution
    • •He drew on door-to-door sales experiences to write a persuasive script about bad breath
    • •They set up an offer (free product + shipping) and built a site to support conversion
  4. 8:38 – 11:10

    The “glitch” framework: exploiting early YouTube ads as a beachhead for scale

    Jeff attributes OraBrush’s success to catching a moment when YouTube’s ad platform was new and cheap. He frames this as finding a “glitch” that creates a foothold (a beachhead) from which you can optimize and expand.

    • •YouTube ads were extremely cheap at the time, enabling profitable customer acquisition
    • •The early advantage created enough volume to optimize and improve efficiency over time
    • •Jeff calls this kind of temporary edge a “glitch” every entrepreneur must find
    • •He references the “beachhead” concept: secure a small foothold before expanding
  5. 11:10 – 16:58

    How to find your own glitch: solve your own problem and watch where attention shifts

    Jeff generalizes the lessons into two principles: build from a founder’s real problem and hunt for under-served channels where incumbents aren’t paying attention. He gives examples of changing search behavior and bot-driven shopping as emerging opportunities.

    • •He argues many strong businesses begin with founders solving problems for themselves
    • •Dr. Bob created OraBrush to address a real issue he encountered with missionaries’ breath
    • •Jeff emphasizes that “obvious in hindsight” products often look non-obvious early
    • •He points to new attention pockets like alternative search tools and agentic shopping
  6. 16:58 – 21:16

    From VidAngel to Angel: a niche audience signal and the “19-minute ad” experiment

    The conversation shifts to building a legal alternative to scrubbed torrent versions of popular shows and how that insight evolved into a new approach to funding content. Jeff explains why running a very long skippable YouTube ad was a deliberate filtering mechanism to find true believers.

    • •They noticed people were downloading scrubbed versions of episodes and wanted a legal option
    • •Jeff frames it as focusing on the “small number” that still represents millions of people
    • •They tested demand by uploading a full short film as a skippable YouTube ad
    • •Jeff expected only a small fraction would finish, but those viewers would be the investors
  7. 21:16 – 25:45

    Inventing skippable long-form ads—and using them to crowdfund a series

    Jeff recounts working with YouTube on the idea of letting viewers skip ads quickly to earn the right to run longer ads for those who stay. He then explains how that same logic powered a fundraising campaign for a series, including how they used paid ads and livestream mechanics.

    • •Jeff pushed for “skip after five seconds” so long ads could exist for interested viewers
    • •He describes the pitch: earn attention first, then tell a longer story
    • •He shares fundraising details: $800K in ads helped drive an $11M raise from many investors
    • •They used livestreaming and real-time social proof overlays to accelerate momentum
  8. 25:45 – 28:17

    Turning products into breakout brands: Poo-Pourri and Squatty Potty creative foundations

    Jeff describes how he chose clients by personally liking and testing the product, then built campaigns that used humor and contrast to make taboo topics shareable. He explains the creative “premise” behind Poo-Pourri and how a small team wrote the core ad concept.

    • •He prioritized working on products he personally believed in after trying them
    • •He explains Poo-Pourri’s concept: a polished British spokesperson talking about pooping as a juxtaposition
    • •He describes collaborating with a comedy writer over several days to write the ad
    • •Shaan highlights these campaigns as brand-defining fork-in-the-road moments
  9. 28:17 – 34:17

    The $100M ad-writing process: lock stakeholders in, then let comedians sharpen the message

    Jeff lays out how his team increased the odds of a creative breakthrough: get all decision-makers in the room to avoid “death by email,” and structure the ad before injecting humor. He argues comedians are essential because it’s easier to teach them marketing structure than to teach marketers to be funny.

    • •He says having attorneys and stakeholders present prevents endless revisions later
    • •He warns that email-based feedback can “neuter” scripts over time
    • •He outlines an ad structure (problem, solution, credibility, calls to action) before jokes
    • •He insists jokes must serve the message; otherwise they should be cut
  10. 34:17 – 41:19

    Modern distribution playbooks: building campaigns that “warm up” the algorithm

    Jeff explains how current social platforms route content based on signals like recognizable faces and repeated posting. Using a Kevin James character campaign, he describes taking many “swings,” leveraging recognition, and designing stunts that create curiosity without overt selling.

    • •He claims platforms classify videos heavily by visual signals, including faces in the content
    • •They produced high volumes of clips to find breakout moments and ride existing waves
    • •He describes launching a character account that benefited from Kevin James already trending
    • •A Super Bowl stunt created massive curiosity while remaining intentionally non-commercial
  11. 41:19 – 44:53

    Angel’s positioning: values-based entertainment, member voting, and PG-13-by-design releases

    Jeff contrasts Angel’s content goals with what he calls nihilistic storytelling and describes Angel as values-based entertainment with a faith subset at certain seasons. He explains how members participate by voting on films, shaping what gets released, and receiving movie tickets as part of membership.

    • •Jeff defines Angel’s content stance as the “antithesis of nihilism” and oriented around values
    • •He says they pursue faith content strongly around Easter and Christmas, and values content year-round
    • •He describes the Angel Guild membership model: members vote to approve or veto films
    • •He notes films may be required to meet a PG-13 standard to pass the community’s bar
  12. 44:53 – 50:00

    Movie economics and strategy: base hits vs home runs, marketing spend, and acquisition-driven slates

    Jeff and Shaan unpack how budgets, marketing, and distribution splits work, and why Angel relies on breakage in ticket usage. Jeff explains that many studios acquire most films rather than produce them, and he frames Angel as enabling members to participate in movie-making economics at scale.

    • •Jeff frames the business as “base hits” with occasional home runs and cites one breakout example
    • •He distinguishes production cost from marketing spend and explains distributors’ typical cuts
    • •He says Angel relies on breakage because most members won’t attend every included movie
    • •He states many studios acquire a majority of films and that many independents struggle to find distribution
  13. 50:00 – 1:03:15

    Hollywood’s brutality, the cost problem, and Jeff’s closing life lessons

    Jeff describes Hollywood as a knife fight and says Angel’s mission is to build an alternative system aligned with what they want for their kids. He closes with personal advice: prioritize marriage and kids, avoid draining fights over money, and keep creating rather than clinging to a single outcome.

    • •He relays a story comparing Hollywood relationships unfavorably even to Las Vegas casino culture
    • •He argues Hollywood has more of a cost problem than a revenue problem and that growth requires investment
    • •He says nothing in work compares with marriage and kids, and encourages having kids sooner and more than expected
    • •He describes choosing not to sue over a large unpaid amount, adopting abundance, and focusing on making new value

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