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My First MillionI Sold A Company For $800M At 29... What I’m Doing Now | Jack Smith Interview (#470)
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Vungle Founder Jack Smith on Post-Exit Life, Hacks, and Unconventional Living
- Jack Smith explains that he isn't chasing another billion-dollar company because he lost the chip on his shoulder, and is instead pursuing impact through charities and a digital detox retreat in Portugal.
- He shares business ideas, including building a brand layer that resells industries that market poorly (like Nomad Capitalist does for tax lawyers) and winning by reading the manual on new tech such as AI tools.
- He tells how hacking the iPhone to record its screen gave Vungle a proprietary advantage, and suggests trying the same with the Apple Vision Pro.
- Jack and the hosts discuss belief, action and results, along with the law of attraction, which Jack treats as a practical mix of conviction and action, plus adopting a stronger persona.
- The conversation covers Jack's unconventional parenting, including naming his daughter Baby for a year, a remote night monitor for sleep, and unschooling, along with his product-testing obsession.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasMotivation changes after a big exit
Jack says his early success came from a chip on his shoulder and something to prove, and after the sale he wanted impact rather than more money. He notes many founders in their chat group face a similar post-exit crisis.
Being first to market isn't required
Jack notes AppLovin launched 6 to 12 months after Vungle yet became far bigger. He suggests offering every ad format and having a more technical founding team helped.
Reseller or router layers can be strong businesses
Jack describes Nomad Capitalist as a marketing-driven reseller for tax lawyers. Shaan compares it to Rich Dad's tax referrals and Dave Ramsey's trusted advisor network, calling these router businesses.
Reading the manual is an underrated edge
Jack argues most people won't read documentation for tools like Midjourney or ChatGPT, so those who do can charge a premium. Sam and Shaan note Mark Cuban credited the same habit for his early success.
Hacking a new product can create a proprietary advantage
Vungle's ability to record the iPhone screen let it make app ad videos competitors couldn't, which it gave away free to advertisers spending over $25,000. Jack suggests trying something similar with new hardware like the Apple Vision Pro.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI think I was successful early on because I had a chip on my shoulder. I had something to prove.
— Jack Smith
You don't have to be the first to market to be the biggest.
— Jack Smith
I think a business opportunity is building a reseller layer on top of these industries that just suck at marketing or communicating what they do.
— Jack Smith
The pre-req for any result is the belief, and you have to have that sort of massive conviction or massive belief in yourself and in what you're doing.
— Shaan Puri
I think it is good to remember that you can be successful and still be humble and not judge people about where they're at now.
— Jack Smith
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