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My First MillionThe $20 Pill Billionaires are Taking to Live Forever (#458)
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CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 7:03
Sam Altman's bets and the metformin longevity trend
Sam Parr raises rich people's obsession with health, starting with Sam Altman putting his liquid net worth into Helion and Retro and taking metformin. Parr explains his rough understanding of how metformin and blood sugar relate to longevity, and the hosts compare it to semaglutide.
- •Altman said he put nearly all his liquid net worth into Helion Energy ($375M) and Retro ($180M)
- •Altman's routine includes healthy eating, exercise, sleep and metformin
- •Parr's layman explanation: stable blood sugar correlates with living longer
- •Shaan guesses about 20% of their ultra-rich friends take such drugs
- •Parr experimented with semaglutide himself
- 7:03 – 13:01
Billionaires and death: Thiel, Ellison, Johnson and the Rejuvenation Olympics
Parr recounts how wealthy people have always obsessed over health, from Rockefeller and Edison to Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison and Bryan Johnson. They look at the Blueprint subreddit and the Rejuvenation Olympics leaderboard.
- •Rockefeller and Edison had strict health habits long ago
- •Thiel calls acceptance of death a psychological defense mechanism
- •Ellison says death has never made sense to him
- •Bryan Johnson's Blueprint has a growing subreddit following
- •Rejuvenation Olympics ranks people on lowering biological versus chronological age
- 13:01 – 16:48
Takeaways: biological age testing as a business
Shaan lays out takeaways, including the growth of these drugs and a possible business built around biological age testing with a cheap test and big upsells. Sam describes using InsideTracker and his own results.
- •Semaglutide is already sold out and entering everyday vocabulary like 'Ozempic face'
- •Shaan hadn't known biological age could be separated from chronological age
- •A low-priced biological age test could lead to large upsells in nutrition, training and medicine
- •Sam uses InsideTracker twice a year at about $600
- •Sam's biological age came out nine years younger than his 33
- 16:48 – 24:49
A $15M podcast for sale: what is it worth?
Sam describes a listing for an entrepreneur podcast asking $15 million with $2.2M profit, which he guesses is Entrepreneurs on Fire. The hosts debate its value without the host, Shaan estimates 1-3x profit, and they discuss the lack of growth levers.
- •Listing shows $2.2M profit, 4,000 episodes, and a $15M ask
- •Public revenue reports show $19M net income over about 11 years, mostly sponsorships
- •Sam thinks the podcast is worth close to zero without its host
- •Shaan thinks $5-6M is possible for a serious buyer but 15M is insane
- •Few obvious growth levers remain; the audience quickly outed the listing
- 24:49 – 31:24
The Conor McGregor documentary and small wins
Shaan discusses the McGregor documentary, his rags-to-riches rise, and how success eroded the mindset that got him there. McGregor's quote about being only 75% committed outside training leads Shaan to track small wins and losses in his own days.
- •McGregor rose from apprentice plumber on welfare to highest-earning athlete
- •The editing spliced early mindset footage with present-day events
- •McGregor said he was 100% in training but about 75% committed outside it
- •Small losses accumulate and weaken the mind
- •Shaan began treating daily choices as small wins or losses
- 31:24 – 39:41
Leveling up, framing and McGregor's way with words
The hosts discuss McGregor's tattoo, his buying the best to feel like the best, and Sam's Picasso story about surroundings. Shaan covers his frame control and rejecting questions, and Sam notes his poetic lines.
- •Tattoo 'Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast' is described as a military phrase
- •McGregor acted from 'I already have' rather than wanting
- •He rejected the interviewer's frame in the Aldo TV appearance
- •Quotes such as 'Precision beats power and timing beats speed'
- •Shaan kept a McGregor quote on his second monitor for five years
- 39:41 – 43:56
Reality distortion and a McGregor bankruptcy prediction
Sam compares McGregor's certainty to Steve Jobs's reality distortion field, noting cameras captured it. He then predicts McGregor will file for bankruptcy, arguing athlete earnings figures are often fake.
- •Jobs's reality distortion field versus McGregor's documented self-belief before the Khabib fight
- •Sam predicts McGregor bankruptcy in about 10 years
- •Chael Sonnen claims reported pay-per-view earnings are often made up
- •Sam asks whether Shaan knows of people who lied about earnings
- 43:56 – 48:13
Fake exit numbers and net worth myths
The hosts discuss how exit values and net worth figures are inflated or invented and then spread. Shaan explains how complex deal structures make the sale price of his Bebo sale to Twitch hard to state.
- •Reported Twitch sale number of $25M was wrong, from a tip
- •Rumored numbers spread through articles and conference intros
- •Sam says he made up a net worth article that others then cited
- •Google net worth figures are described as far off
- •Upfront cash, signing bonuses, RSUs and vesting make deal values ambiguous
- 48:13 – 53:58
AI body doubles: influencer voice clones, AI Cameo and Replika
Shaan introduces AI body doubles, starting with Karen Marjorie's voice clone earning $72K on day one. He floats ideas like AI Santa and AI Cameo with licensed celebrity likenesses, and they discuss Replika users reacting to model updates.
- •Karen Marjorie's AI voice texting charged a dollar a minute
- •AI Santa idea at $35-40 per greeting
- •Celebrities may license their name, face and voice for AI Cameo
- •Replika is thriving but users are upset when model updates change personality
- •Replika's founder is a former Russian journalist
- 53:58 – 55:24
Delphi and AI clones of experts
Shaan describes Delphi, a platform for digital clones that answer questions in someone's voice and style. They discuss permission and legal risk and how this trend will grow.
- •Delphi trains AI on a person's content to answer questions
- •Shaan was approached to have the podcast cloned
- •Parr guesses it doesn't need permission; Shaan expects lawsuits eventually
- •Shaan thinks AI clones are a trend to watch
- 55:24 – 59:27
Dharmesh, HubSpot's earnings call and AI outlook
Sam shares his view that the next two years of AI will be wild but less so than people think, citing Dharmesh. He describes HubSpot's earnings call, the stock rise and Barron's article, and the hosts joke about Sam leading an earnings call.
- •Dharmesh is seen as credible and not biased
- •He repeated on the earnings call what he said on the pod
- •HubSpot stock rose from about $400 to near $500
- •Barron's argued big companies using AI will win
- •Dharmesh joked by saying a word eight times on a call
